Did Daily KOS Incite Shooting?

Of course not. But, you may have heard some breathless liberal spreading the talking point about how Sarah Palin incited violence with her imagery of “crosshairs” on Gabrielle Giffords. Of course, Ms. Palin’s crosshairs were on a map, but to hear the libs explain it, it was photos of politicians with the crosshairs superimposed. For the sake of clarity, here is the image in question (Rob posted it yesterday as well):

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Part of her “incendiary” rhetoric:

We’re going to fire them and send them back to the private sector…we’re going to print pink slips for members of Congress…

“Targeting” politicians for defeat is obviously code speak for “Please assassinate these people.”

So, for your consideration, Markos Moulitsas and his “Bullseye” on Gabrielle Giffords:

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(Larger image here.)

Anyone care to point oout the hypocrisy in calling out Sarah Palin for inciting violence when the Left is doing virtually the same thing? Oh yeah. There’s a world of difference between the image of a crosshair and a bullseye! /sarcasm

Trying to blame the horrific actions of Jared Lee Loughner on political rhetoric from either side of the aisle, is opportunistic pandering. The people whose knee jerk reaction was to blame Sarah Palin and the Tea Party and conservatives in general should be ashamed of themselves. Sadly, they have no shame.
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Cross posted at Proof Positive

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  • banjo kid

    I posted on another place here that he was a liberal , but in reflecting upon my statement it was a bad thing to say from any side. I guess it is a reaction to liberals in general as that is the way they come across to me. I do feel bad about pinning it on a lib when I did not know. I have read some more and it comes out that he is a very disturbed young man and needs help ,or needed help . When we can get past the bull we might be able to actually cure some of our problems . One thing I know that needs shot is Political correctness; that has been responsible for loss of freedom of speech. Words do not have the same meaning after awhile

    • Neiman

      As Rob pointed out in other words, it would be terrible indeed if that cure included fully armed security for every elected representative – removing this ruling elite even further from direct contact with the real people that elect them to office and furthering their status as American Royalty, above average citizens. They are already talking about beefing up armed security in the Capitol, a building which belongs not to those elected officials – it is owned by the people – it is their building and they need as free access to that building and their elected representatives as is possible, allowing for reasonable, minimally invasive security screening.

      It would be terrible indeed if it was used to further violate the Second Amendment. It would be terrible if it stifled free speech in the slightest, even extreme speech, making citizens that rage against the state into FBI targets as potential killers/terrorists that are prevented from attending political events by suspicion alone, absent conviction. It would be terrible if we enact laws in reaction to any isolated event, no matter how unfortunate, such laws always doing much more harm than good. We need to seriously fear further erosion of our civil rights, further denial of “the people” to petition and oppose those in power. These events always lead to a further erosion of the idea that this nation is “of, by and for the people,” that they are the true leaders, not elected officials.

      This was a madman, not a Liberal or Conservative; and in America, most of us love liberty more than we desire absolute safety from the harm that might befall us or our elected leaders by an occasional nut. When people cry for peace and safety – liberty is always the victim!

      • banjo kid

        I agree; it is getting where you can’t sneeze with out some liberal wanting to regulate it . Yes he is insane and so young to have that malady . to many have mental problems . but it does not change the way I feel about liberals over all , I feel they want control over each one of us . We need some of the laws weeded out and done away with but that will never happen .

        • Neiman

          This man needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but I feel a degree of sadness that he is so young and he had become so mentally ill and did not get the help he needed. Now he too is a victim of his extreme mental illness. Sad all around really!

          I share your concerns about liberals and their desire to control all human behavior and thereby deny us liberty.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        We must remained unmoved by current liberal desperation, no matter how pathetic it gets.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      There were key elements that would make it very easy to assume that he was a liberal.

  • WOOF

    Sarah scrubbed the target map from her site.
    She is ashamed of her actions.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      And when KOS scrubbed the “she’s dead to me” post from his site, it’s because he’s ashamed of his actions? Got it.

      • WOOF

        Kos did not write the post.
        One of a million diaries , like a readers blog here.
        Sarah signed hers..

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          So, what are you saying? That he scrubbed it because he wasn’t ashamed of it?
          Don’t you have someplace else you can be irrelevant?

          • Guest

            You got served. Shut the Eff up.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Lay off the glue, Sparkkkie. You didn’t get served. No shirt, no brains, no service.

          • Guest

            I know I didn’t get served. That was you when WOOF served the fuck outta ya. But you are too dumb to perceive it. And not embarrassed to act the goat. And so I am typing this…

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Right Sparkkkie. Anything you say, Sparkkkie. Let me just ring for the pretty nurse to get your meds now, Sparkkkie.

          • Onslaught1066

            … with one hand.

            We know, we know!

          • Onslaught1066

            Say, was your wife on that map? I mean she was smothered to death by her insane liberal democrat husband.

            Now STFU.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      When drivel comes out of your mouth, it must taste really good.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Speaking from experience? Or are you just fantasizing? Weird!

  • LastBestHope

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat!”
    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish our enemies.”
    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      Excellent. By rights, that should lay the issue of leftist violence to rest. They do it. They love it. It’s who they are.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Mountainmouth

      The problem is – this is different somehow.
      Dems/Libs/progressives are not required to live up to any standards and their words have no meaning therefore they don’t feel accountable or responsible for results.
      Much like Jihadi’s excuse/permit/encourage lying to enemies

      The GOP and Conservatives are held accountable because we willing play by the rules.
      When will we learn.

      • Onslaught1066

        On Lefty Standards:

        Their standards are low.
        Their wit is slow.
        And just like Ellin-A$$,
        They suck and blow.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    Markos from the Daily Kos is a moron and he has been very incendiary in his comments since this traggic event with his hate speech.

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    When Liberals feel shame, Hell will empty.

    • borborygmi

      That would be alot of conservative souls.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        ? I’m sorry, I don’t get it. I was obviously talking about Liberal souls. I hope for your sake that that wasn’t supposed to be a funny comeback.

        • borborygmi

          I felt the board was lacking vitriol. I had forgotten that it was an impossibility that conservatives would be in hell.

          • Onslaught1066

            Shouldn’t you be helping your son move south to escape all that global warming he’s freezing his A$$ over?

            (vitriol deficit solved.)

          • borborygmi

            Thanks 1066 that means so much to me.

          • Onslaught1066

            you’re welcome, glad I could help.

  • LastBestHope

    Rob’s post on the Daily KOS pulling their 1/6 headline about Giffords being Dead to a blogger ’cause of her vote against Pelosi links the shooter to acting out what he read just days ago.Daily Kos Takes Down Post Saying Giffords Is “Dead” For Voting Against Nancy Pelosi http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/daily-kos-takes-

  • I H8 GOPers

    Two wrongs, right, Right?

  • WOOF

    Joyce Kaufman, a conservative radio hosts on WFTL in Florida, tells a crowd of supporters at a Fort Lauderdale Tea Party event, “I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendments rights was they gave me a Second Amendment. And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.

  • WOOF

    Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) states that she wants residents of her state to be “armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people—we the people—are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      And Barack Obama said, “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.”

  • WOOF

    —Jim Adkisson shoots and kills two people at a progressive church in Knoxville, Tennessee, wounding two. Adkisson calls it “a symbolic killing” because he really “wanted to kill…every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg’s book,” but was unable to gain access to them.

  • WOOF

    Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), the Chairman of the Second Amendment Task Force in the U.S. House of Representatives, calls House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a “domestic enemy of the Constitution” at a health care reform town hall meeting.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Mountainmouth

      Well said Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), the Chairman of the Second Amendment Task Force in the U.S. House of Representatives.

      Truer words were never spoken. Is your intent to deny this Congressman his 1st Amendment rights. How does that compare to calling tea party folks – Nazi’s?

      Not only is she an enemy of the constitution her special brand of misinformation and lies are profoundly dangerous. Especially considering her supporters are the useful idiots referenced by Communist doctrine.

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      Pelousy is a enemy to the “Constitution” nothing new here…

  • WOOF

    House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) warned that anti-abortion Democrats would suffer politically if they voted for the health care bill; he singled out Driehaus, saying he “may be a dead man”

  • WOOF

    —NRA Board Member Ted Nugent makes the following comment on FOX News’ “Your World” program: “I’m the expert on the health care bill because I kill pigs and a just shot a monster big pig here in Texas and seeing as how this is a pig bill created by pig bureaucrats to help out American pigs … We gotta’ kill the pig.”

    • 308T

      Nuge for POTUS!!!

      • borborygmi

        He plays a mean guitar and stalks, kills, skins, processes his own food. That is all bonus.

      • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

        I would vote for him, lets get it going…

        • 308T

          I don’t think we could get Uncle Ted out of his tree stand long enough to campaign for NRA pres. much less POTUS. Head of the BATF perhaps?

    • Neiman

      People on both sides daily engage in excesses in language, more often than not, just displaying a casual, inartful use of language. Are we going to dig out every example in American history and calculate who is more guilty by number of examples of such language? Are we going to admit most of it is more like, “I’ll kill you if you say that again,” not really intending harm or will we say that every use is intended exactly as used?

      It is the liberals trying very hard to find fault outside a diseased mind of a young man unable to restrain his worst impulses and I submit, that they may use it as an excuse to further limit our civil liberties.

      • borborygmi

        I think we as a country have hit the ad nauseum stage.

        • Neiman

          Yes, quite a while ago!

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      Dick Durbin (D-Dumbocrat) compares US troops to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Pol Pot
      More of that “hate speech from the right”, eh?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqIlXfkylD4

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

    Poor irrelevant woofie: How do any of these examples bear on the rush to judgment by the knee jerk Left in this case?
    Nugent said a bill was a pig that needed to be killed and you get the vapors? You do know that “kill the bill” is a part of the political vernacular, used by both sides?

    Are liberals in general so clueless (or is it just you, woofie?) that they’ve never heard figurative language used? Or do you just enjoy all the faux indignation?

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      You are stupid because the word being used by Ted Nugent, “pig”, was attributed to people. So when he says “we’ve got to kill the pig”, it includes people as well.

      You don’t do logic “too good”, Proofoundly_stupid.

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        Go away child. Obsess on someone else. TN wasn’t advocating violence against people. Go libel someone else. If anyone had any real evidence that he was advocating violence against any person, he could have been prosecuted. He wasn’t. You infantile libs are only pulling this faux outrage out of your collective arses, because you haven’t got any real arguments. .

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Ted Nugent regularly incites violence with guns against political officials. He rants on all sorts of crazy ideas, including revolution.

          If you are going to nuzzle up to that pig’s teet, be my guest, but sane people see how Ted Nugent is a deranged Tea Party freak that uses gun props to incite anger and hatred.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I point out that you cannot understand simple English and you change the subject. You really are a clueless Wanker, aren’t you?

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

            Proof, I think there comes a time when morons like Hannitized must be ignored… Unfortunately there is a McDonald’s worker out there posing as an intellectual giant… In reality, Hand Job is a mental midget…

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I’ve been ignoring his clueless nattering over on several other threads. He comes here, I have to wipe him off our collective shoes. His “arguments” seldom rise above childish name calling.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Poor irrelevant woofie:
            Are liberals in general so clueless (or is it just you, woofie?) that they’ve never heard figurative language used?

            Go away child.
            You infantile libs are only pulling this faux outrage out of your collective arses, because you haven’t got any real arguments. .

            All of your comments, amount to nothing more than childish name calling. My arguments apply reason and logic to your insanity.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Shorter Hannitized: “I have delusions of adequacy, but I’m mistaken.”

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            More Ad Hominem, in lieu of argument.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Scroll up. Nowhere in this response thread did you mention anything about English. Your derangement is spilling over from another comment stream.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Look, Tranni: The fact is I live rent free inside your head. You cannot write out your screen name without thinking of me. But, since I have a life, I can go for days without thinking of you. Which I shall do now.
            Toodles, Tiki Troll.

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        I hate to have to be the one to point out the infantile babbling of a moron incapable of comprehending simple English, but in the sentences: “this is a pig bill (singular) created by pig bureaucrats (plural) to help out American pigs (plural) … We gotta’ kill the pig” (singular) .”

        Had he said, We gotta’ kill the pigs (plural)”, then your defective reading of his English sentence might have some credibility. He didn’t. You don’t.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          “I’m the expert on the health care bill because I kill pigs (plural) and a just shot a monster big pig (singular) here in Texas…”

          So Ted Nugent advises us that he kills “pigs” and his message is that he just killed a monster “pig”….”so go out and kill yourself a ‘pig’….even if it’s one at a time”.

          A threat is a threat, regardless if he wants you to kill people one at a time, or all at once.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Try third grade. If you ever graduate, get back to us.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Let’s translate Ted’s language;

            “I’m the expert on health care bill because I kill liberals, and I just shot a monster big liberal here in texas.” – Ted Nugent

            Admitting to being a killer of many does not change the fact that he admitted to killing one in a particular state. Which sends the message to followers to go out and kill many liberals, one by one in each state, if it must be so.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Lying through your fecal stained teeth won’t change the truth, Wanker. You should know that by now.

  • RKae

    WOOF:

    Holy crap! Paul Broun used the word “enemy”? That does it! Lock him up! How did he get away with that?

    You’re an idiot: plain ‘n’ simple. You can cite conservative references to “dead” and “target” and “enemy” all you want, but where has the use of these words caused violence in the real world? (Do video games also cause murders? Are you one of the believers in that idea?)

    “Oh, my god! A guy at a tea party said such-and-such violent thing!” Fact of the matter is: a gun is much more likely to go off at a rap concert than a tea party.

    Get righties together and there will be angry signs and George Washington costumes. Get lefties together and there will be angry signs and shattered windows.

    • banjo kid

      And bit off fingers and dead people , The guy who was gay that Nancy pelousey was referring to was killed by a liberal or someone on the left , I think the fellows name was Harvey Milk? not sure though; she said in reference to it “I have seen this before” trying to discredit the tea party with a killing by a liberal or at least a democrat , not sure if there is a difference between the two?

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Nerf darts have targets. Throwing bean bags at people sitting in “the dunk tank”, have targets. But neither of those have cross hairs.

    There is a difference between cross hairs and bullseye’s. But what would Proof know about shooting and guns?

    A real rifleman knows the difference between a bullseye and a crosshair.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      You really are a numb nuts, aren’t you, Wankertized?

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        There is a difference between bullseye’s and crosshair’s. You would know that if you had any familiarity with guns and rifles.

        • RKae

          There is a difference between possessives and plurals. You would know that if you had any familiarity with the English language.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What’s next, a terrorist shooting? You nuts always let your psychotic episodes get the best of you. Stay on subject!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Hanni the Tranni suffers from Apostrophobia – The fear of putting an apostrophe in the proper place. That’s why he omits them where they should be and sticks them where they shouldn’t be. It’s a chronic condition with him, and all attempts to educate him have been met with impenetrable ignorance.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          “There is a difference between bullseye’s (sic) and crosshair’s (sic)”

          I never said there wasn’t, CluelessNoobitized. I sarcastically said, there wasn’t a world of difference between them. Those of us proficient in English caught that.

          I briefly toyed with the idea of using the word “reticle”, but I have this moronic, clueless noob who sometimes reads my stuff, who has trouble with words like “as” and “camp”. I didn’t want to confuse him any more than he already is.

          You might want to send a Nastygram to Patrick Kennedy, though. He said of Palin’s map: “When Sarah Palin puts targets on people’s districts…”

          “You would know that if you had any familiarity with guns and rifles.”

          You really are desperate, trying to build yourself up by tearing down your betters. You’ve never seen me handle a firearm or witnessed me firing one, yet, like everything else you are ignorant of, (which is pretty much everything), you not only have an opinion, but claim to be an expert. Pretty pathetic, Wankertized.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            That’s a lot of insecurity to deal with, I don’t have the patience.

            You are missing the point, as usual. Targets are not the same as crosshairs. You can land a parachutist onto a target. You can throw a bean bag at a target. You can even drive a golf ball towards a target, but crosshairs give a different interpretation.

            Palin, in her desire to be cool and tend to the gun nuts put Crosshairs in her propaganda documents and it sent the wrong message. You can argue about the idea that the killer was influenced by her propaganda, but you can’t argue with the fact that it was inappropriate.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “Targets are not the same as crosshairs”. Duh. Are you arguing with the little voices inside your head again?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, I am simply pointing out that you said they were virtually the same thing and then made a comparison, making them equal.

            Anyone care to point oout the hypocrisy in calling out Sarah Palin for inciting violence when the Left is doing virtually the same thing? Oh yeah. There’s a world of difference between the image of a crosshair and a bullseye! /sarcasm

            I pointed out the difference, and they are quite substantial.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            CluelessDoltitized: “I pointed out the difference, and they are quite substantial.” Not in the context of which we were speaking. (And by we, I mean “sane people”, not you.) The difference between “crosshairs” or a bullseye on a map, to designate a political district, is quite insignificant. Much like you, Clueless Wanker.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Anyone care to point oout [sic] the hypocrisy in calling out Sarah Palin for inciting violence …

            Your horrid spelling aside, there is no similarity between something that aims bullets and something you are supposed to focus on as a focal point.

            One of the examples is specifically is for aiming bullets, the other could be numerous things, including energy. If you combine this with rhetoric that says “don’t retreat, re-load”, you can see that the Sarah was instigating violence with firearms. The other does not.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Congratulations, young moron! That’s the seventh typo of mine you’ve caught in the past three years. Sometimes you put that many in a single thread! And would you like to explain to the rest of the class why you go back and edit so many of your comments? A lot of people will edit an occasional comment, but in your first nine comments on this thread, you went back and edited six of them.
            Let’s recap: You go back and edit two thirds of your comments and you still come across as an ignorant moron? That takes real talent, Wankertized!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Poofy, your derangement for grammar and spelling errors can lead to snapping, just as the AZ grammar-murderer had. I would advise you stop this sick obsession with grammar and punctuation, since you screw it up so frequently.

            You are so focused on this obsession that you did not even comment on your horrid comparison between a violent symbol and a non-violent symbol.

            You really suck at blogging.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Hanni: You and your cousin Jared Lee are two peas in a pod. Now please obsess over me a while and tell me I’m a “liar”, because neither of you are literally green vegetables.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Grow up, Poofy.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You first, Toddlertized.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      “Nerf darts have targets” Finally an area where Tranni may have some expertise!

  • sbark

    D.Kos put the death wish on her back in 2008 already……its had quite a bit of time to simmer

    but of course, Like Chris Matthews pondering a Bond Like death for Rush, Or Alec Baldwin on Conan called for the Death of Henry Hyde and going into his home to kill his children & family
    ———it gets washed from the net

    Dont forget the out and out movie Death of a Pres—-a direct movie about GW being killed—reverse that role and watch a firestorm of hypocrisy

    Throw in all the death wishes for SCOTUS Thomas, Cheney, Tony Snow, and Condi Rice from the left over the past decade———–

    The “polictics of peace” are getting to be like the “religion of peace” —Radical Islam

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      I don’t remember anyone getting upset when liberals hoped that Dick Chenny would have a heart attack and die, I also don’t remember Libtards being upset when the left depicted Bush has Hitler…

      • sbark

        Its the “turn the other check” mentality of the Christian right :)

      • RKae

        How ’bout the movie “Death of a President,” which depicted Bush getting assassinated?

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          How about it? Your incomplete thought doesn’t really match up against symbols that are designed to target political figures in the actual political process.

  • WOOF

    Bloggers do not equal elected Representatives.

  • Guest

    It strikes me that the blogger did not put the bullseye on the blah blah blah… it’s their interpretation of the results of a primary vote.

    I’m so surprised this group of useless cunts is parroting lies. I’m like… shocked…

  • Jfisher17

    Sparkless- “I’m like shocked…” I’m liked shocked at how stupid you are.

  • Mark

    wow what Bull
    if i see a movie with someone standing infront of a moving train i dont
    why cant we call the bad guy the bad guy
    not his mom
    not his teacher
    not his upbringing
    he is simply a bad guy
    why do we sping this forever……………..
    wow

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