Despite Miserable Failure In New York, Nanny Staters Still Pushing Soda Tax

Remember, folks. Being fat is the new smoking. And the we-know-what’s-best-for-you bureaucrats aren’t going to rest until you’re eating and drinking how they think you should eat and drink.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A penny-per-ounce tax on sugary drinks could help fight obesity by cutting consumption and raising billions of dollars to help state and local governments pay for programs, two experts said on Wednesday.
Taxes have been shown to reduce smoking and are just as likely to help adults and children choose healthier drinks, which are now usually more expensive than sodas and other sweetened beverages, the experts wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine
A tax of one penny per fluid ounce (30 ml) on drinks such as soda, sports drinks and sugar-sweetened fruit juice and iced tea could “reduce consumption of sugared beverages by more than 10 percent,” Kelly Brownell of Yale University in Connecticut and New York City Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Frieden wrote.
“It is difficult to imagine producing behavior change of this magnitude through education alone, even if government devoted massive resources to the task.”

What’s amazing is that these policy “experts” have blown right by the most important part of this debate. Which is whether or not the government should be trying to manipulate our eating/drinking behavior.
Does anyone else remember that old movie Demolition Man starring Sylvester Stallone and Wesley Snipes? Stallone’s character gets put in a cyrogenic deep freeze for committing some crime, and wakes up in a utopian future. There’s no crime. No poverty. No suffering. No illness. Everything is perfect. Except that everything sucks too. The government runs everything, and so everything is the same. You eat what the government tells you to eat. You live how the government tells you to live. Again, there’s no illness or crime or anything, but there’s no joi de vive for lack of a better term.
A scene in the movie that sticks with me is Stallone’s character discovering the underworld of dissenters who don’t want to live as the social architects in the mainstream culture tell them too. He’s walking through their slum and spots a burger stand. He immediately purchases a burger and a beer and tears into it. It’s a rat burger, of course, but it doesn’t matter to him. He’s just happy to be eating something that’s not good for him for a change.
Which speaks to a elemental sort of freedom we all feel, doesn’t it? The social engineers seem to want us to eat and drink and generally live a certain way, but isn’t this a free country? As long as we’re not hurting anyone else, shouldn’t we be free to eat and drink as we wish? If someone wants to have cheeseburgers and soda three meals a day, every day, shouldn’t he/she be free to live that way? Sure, they won’t last long like that, but it’s their choice right?
It’s hard to combat government efforts to promote health because health is a good thing. But we should remember that freedom doesn’t just mean being free to make good decisions, but being free to make bad ones too. Because the “good” decisions the government makes for us might make our lives into something we don’t want them to be.
I, for one, would like to just live my life without an endless stream of health bureaucrats out to push me into living a certain way.

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  • http://Array robert108

    …all that dumb shit…

    Your disrespect for non-smokers and personal freedom is noted.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    The left just keeps over stretching.

  • Zakk

    But even the anti smokers don’t want it banned, because they know how much money it brings in to state/federal government.

    Actually, there are plenty of non smokers who do want it banned completely. He and I argue about this annually. We don’t ever get anywhere, but it’s fun to do. Hi Robert!

  • Flickertail

    I think Michael Moore will be really pissed, he doesn’t look like he’s passed up a soda in a decade.

  • docdave

    So drinking sodas are making people fat. I guess that eating candy/chocolate and going to all-you-can-eat buffets have no affect on ones weight. The politicians couldn’t care less about ones health as this entire soda tax thing is merely a thinly veiled cover for more taxation.

  • robert108

    This can also be refuted with real science; I doubt there is any real proof that any normal consumption of soft drinks by normal people is harmful in any way. There is no valid course of action here.

  • robert108

    They should put this to a vote.

  • Zakk

    What amazes me is that they talk about how much tax revenue this will raise out of one side of their mouths while simultaneously talking about how they want to stop the use of the product out of the other side of their mouths.

    Sounds like the same BS line they are using for raising the tobacco tax.

    It’s for the children…

    OK, so now I’m smoking for the kids? That I’m killing with my second hand smoke? and you want me to quit smoking so I don’t kill any more children with my second hand smoke but at the same time, if I quit 3 million children will go back to not having health care? WOW! I’m dizzy and I don’t think it’s from the smoke.

  • Uncle Joe

    In a communist/socialist/progressive “worker’s paradise”, everything is either mandatory or forbidden. That’s why you see stuff like this.

  • http://www.moszer.net/ Moszer

    It’s hard to combat government efforts to promote health because health is a good thing. But we should remember that freedom doesn’t just mean being free to make good decisions, but being free to make bad ones too. Because the “good” decisions the government makes for us might make our lives into something we don’t want them to be.

    As long as those bad decisions don’t harm or adversely affect other people in society.

    This is one of the biggest reason to be against government run health care. In most peoples eyes, it gives the feds the right to deny you care because you smoke, don’t exercise, or eat 10 big mac’s a day. The reason? Your bad decisions now cost society money and make health care more expensive for everyone OR lower the quality of care for everyone.

  • robert108

    The ongoing fantasy here is that govt regards taxes the way businesses do income. In other words, if a business is doing something that brings income, they want to do more of it. Govt is so arrogant it thinks it can just take as much money as it wants, so it’s not motivated by any sort of “profit motive”, IMO.
    Zakk: I can’t speak for all non-smokers, but I don’t care if people want to smoke themselves to death, as long as they don’t interfere with my freedom to not smoke. In other words, I think it is their responsibility to make sure there are no non-smokers in the range of their smoke before they light up. If they did that, I doubt there would be all the blowback against smoking like there is today.
    I’m not denying that there is a cadre of lefties who want to control everyone’s life, but in the cases of smoking and drug use, they are joined by a pretty large section of the normal population that doesn’t want that in their faces. Eliminate the intrusion into the lives of others, and most of this will go away, just leaving the crazies doing their crazy thing, with no public support.

  • deadrody

    It’s far more off base than that. A 12 cent tax on a soda ? That is going to change consumption habits ? Give me a break. Cigarette taxes affect consumption because the taxes are 500% more than the cost of the product itself!

    If that is their true goal then they should just come out now and say a 12 pack of Coke that is currently $5 will soon be $25 or $30. That might work, but there is nobody in this country that is going to stand for such BS.

  • http://pocketjacksblog.blogspot.com/ Jay W.

    I was one of the lucky ones. I managed to teach my daughter (now 7) that too much soda and other sugary drinks are bad for her by explaining what too much of these things can do to her body and by leading by example in drinking mostly water and (skim) milk at home.

    Since I was a several-soda-a-day drinker for a long time, I consider myself fortunate to be able to both cut my own intake and teach my child without the help of government.

  • Flickertail

    Rob you make the perfect point for banning smoking in public places. If smoking is so bad, ban it. But our government makes so much money of the taxes they couldn’t bear to lose it, all of the social programs sin taxes provide for would have to be cut. But even the anti smokers don’t want it banned, because they know how much money it brings in to state/federal government.

  • Zakk

    Your disrespect for non-smokers and personal freedom is noted.

    That’s what I love about you Robert, you never take anything too literally.

    And the mystery remains, what is the source of Robert’s hatred for smokers. It goes far beyond just believing it’s an awful habit that may cause health problems to non-smokers if exposed for extended periods of time. You take a really DINO-like aggressive stance on anything smoking. There’s something deeper there, and through time we’re going to work together to dig up those emotions and bring them to the surface. Then maybe, just maybe we’ll find the root of that anger. Your amongst friends here Robert, you can talk to us.

  • Zakk

    sorry Robert, no time to dance today. I have too much stuff on my plate. We’ll argue pointlessly about smoking and right to clean air, and who’s space is who’s and all that dumb shit we go back and forth on at another time.

    Have a great day!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    What amazes me is that they talk about how much tax revenue this will raise out of one side of their mouths while simultaneously talking about how they want to stop the use of the product out of the other side of their mouths.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    As long as those bad decisions don’t harm or adversely affect other people in society.

    This is why the left keeps pushing for more and more government health care. It presents more and more of an excuse to then control our health.

    If my health is impacting your life and/or financial situation then we should work to make it so that my health only impacts me. Not look for ways for the government to control my diet, etc.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    We should engage in subversion and encourage them. As much as possible. Do it now. Right now, raise the taxes 1000% on the soda. They’re boiling a frog slowly. We need to turn the water temperature up rapidly to get the public to wake up. It’s been my observation that the fight against socialism has resulted in its steady creep like mold no matter how hard we fight because we knock out the most egregious aspects and the stealth corruption slides past. That’s why I voted for Obama: overreaching libtard idiots who push their agenda like a bull in a china shop. They want the power, let’s get them going. Let’s get them to expose themselves.

    Right now, that seems to be what they’re doing and the public’s response is right about what I expected.

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