Hannitwit: Why do you keep trying to inject race here? There’s nothing racial about this story or this crime. Are the little voices in your head racist as well???

HAhahaha. I didn’t interject race Poofy, Move_zig did. I quoted him you dolt.

You are such a dumb ass it is embarrassing not just for you, but me.

Ha!

Still no proof of any thing you have claimed, sanni. Why is that?

Guantanamo Bay is two words, but “Gitmo” is short for it!

What is insulting about you not practicing safe sex with your partner??

In the context of a Trojan up your ass? (A situation that I am sure you are better acquainted with than I!)

Are you really that mind numbingly stupid? Or just mind numbingly dishonest? (Or both?)

“Well- I think people in North Dakota deserve a golf clap”

Thank you. All it takes is a little common sense and moral values.

But, none where the journalist was stupid to use it as “short” for campaign, as you erroneously said it was and are not man enough to own up to, you pathetic POS!

Using your narrow understanding of the word campaign, the word camp, in every instance the professional journalists used it, was using the definition of the word I provided to you earlier…..that word being campaign.

Using deductive logic (something you lack) we can conclude how they used the meaning of the word because they never have used the word camp to describe anyone outside of an organized campaign.

Now you can fool yourself, because that is what you are good at. But you will never be able to fool anyone else without evidence. All you have is your deluded misunderstanding of words, that we have seen repeated over and over and over, as we have withe the words Attack and Insult.

Proof,

Is it mind numbingly stupid to not know of the similarities between the words Attack and Insult?

Were you wrong, yes or no?

Fun exercise:

Compare a State's 2007 Brady Gun Control Rank here to that state's 2007 violent crime statistics here.

It's like perfect inverse proportionality.

It's like perfect inverse proportionality.

One wonders how that can be, and yet nobody in the media or even in the Brady campaign itself seems to notice.

I remember when the left tried to spin this issue the other way around during the time when Missouri was working on a concealed carry bill. They said that the rural areas that supported CCW were a bunch of rubes that didn't understand violent crime like the educated cityfolk who have to deal with it more often.

DINO,

When the population of your whole state exceeds that of even a small city, perhaps you can make comparisons.

You can do math right? Follow those two links I posted above. In the crime statistics link, divide the violent crimes number by the population (conveniently located to the left of it).

You'll find that the crimes as a percentage of total population have the same relationship to the Brady Rank anyway.

Be honest. Respect the statistics. Or just stfu.

Well- I think people in North Dakota deserve a golf clap.

Per capita means nothing without considering proximity.

Comparison:
ND- 70704 square miles, 9.3 people/square mile.
Portland, Oregon- 145 sq. miles, 4098 people/sq/ mile.

Most of you don't understand living in densely populated areas. I would guess that many here have never even been to one.

Once again, comparing gun violence in a state with a population density of 9 people per sq mile to a small western city with 4100 people per sq mile is meaningless.

What's more interesting (and perhaps pathological) is that people who live in those sparsely populated areas feel so unsafe that they need to arm themselves to the teeth.

feel so unsafe that they need to arm themselves to the teeth.

Do you have any fire extinguishers at your house? Do you live in fear of fire, or is it simply prudent to have them in case the necessity arises?

I've lived in rural areas of California, where a county might have two deputies on patrol at any given time and the quickest response time, when there's no snow on the road, was likely to be an hour if it was an emergency. I never felt "unsafe". However I did take personal responsibility for the protection of my family against varmints, regardless of leg count!

My firearms were used mostly for target shooting, but as the First Responder to any emergency at my residence, I made sure I had the tools to do what was necessary.

What you city dwellers might not understand, is that rural folk take a lot of responsibility for their own lives and actions, and that includes their safety against hazards both natural and man made. "Proximity" is when the pole cat is standing right in front of you, no matter how he got there!

BTW, I have several fire extinguishers for both home and car, too, even though I don't feel "unsafe" in regards to a fire.

When it comes to "pathological", you might want to look in the dictionary: It's very close to "projection".

Oh Spelling Bea…Spelling Bea???

Dino,

Or we can compare cities if you feel that local levels reflect densities better:

Miami (FL Brady Rank 32)
Density: 11,483/sq mi
Murders: 71

Los Angeles (CA Brady Rank 1)
Density: 8,205/sq mi (less dense than Miami)
Murders: 489 (7x Miami!)

Those damned statistics…

It's amazing the lengths that liberals will go to to excuse the failure of reality to live up to their dreams.

We once had a radio talk show host that said the reason that Switzerland's crime rate was so low was the same thing. People had a mountain between them.

Apparently the now dead moron didn't understand how mountains increase how close people live together.

Also Dino the moron probably doesn't understand that much of the people in ND live in moderately sized cities. Their crime rate wasn't out of line with the people living in the areas that are pretty empty.

(Don May, KCJB, Minot) MINOT, N.D. (AP) Minot Police say they're investigating the killing of a woman early this morning, and they've arrested a man on a murder charge.

Police Detective Sergeant Robert Barnard says authorities went to a northwest Minot home around 3:30 this morning.

He says 28-year-old Jennifer Erickson of Parshall was found dead.

Barnard says police have arrested 42-year-old Jay Washek on a charge of Class Double-A murder. He says Washek lives at the home where Erickson was found dead.

You don't have to register to own guns in North Dakota, so there's no way of knowing. And it doesn't really matter, because Washek was eventually put in prison for 20 years for strangling Erickson with a telephone cord.

Unless you're going to say that phone-cord owners should start registering with the government, I think you'd better find some other evidence to base your rather flimsy argument on.

Hannitized,

If I picked one state and said that crime rate is low in that state because everyone can have a gun, that's creating causation without evidence. When I compare two cities that differ only in their gun laws (Miami and Los Angeles)*, that's providing evidence.

*Incidentally, Miami and LA also have the same cultural demographics and median income.

Come off of it man. There are plenty of political issues where neither side has a winning argument. Gun control is not one of them. The statistics are overwhelming.

people who live in those sparsely populated areas feel so unsafe that they need to arm themselves to the teeth.

With only two murders in all of 2008, I doubt that they ever feel unsafe! I'd wager that many of them still keep their doors and their car doors unlocked at night.

If I picked one state and said that crime rate is low in that state because everyone can have a gun, that's creating causation without evidence. When I compare two cities that differ only in their gun laws (Miami and Los Angeles)*, that's providing evidence.

Way to ignore my example of Hawaii.

Hawaii: HOMICIDE HITS 35-YEAR LOW; CRIME RATE FALLS

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-731161231.html

No, it is not. It is making a comparison and then claiming it is causation. I can do the same thing using Hawaii as an example. You ignore little facts such as population, culture and other economic factors that play a role in how people react.

Let's take other examples from other countries and play this charade. Indonesia has few drug users and crime….they are a Muslim nation, therefore, Muslim countries have lower crime.

Anybody can play this game.

Instead of addressing my point, you just pointed at Rob and said, "He's being intellectually dishonest too, so don't look at me." That's another example of intellectually dishonest argument.

OMG Hairy…that is NOT what I did. What I did was ask a question? My question remains, do states with low manslaughter rates have murders where registered gun owners commit the murder.

You called me intellectually dishonest for not accepting Robs intellectually dishonest causation theory. That is beyond silly.

You know what a major and minor premise is yes? How about a syllogism? Why don't you show me how Rob's differs from mine, then tell me who has won the debate.

Hannitized,

I can do the same thing using Hawaii as an example.

No you can't.

Hawaii
Brady Rank: 8
Murders: 22

North Dakota
Brady Rank: 44
Murders: 12 (~half of Hawaii)

I guess you're wrong. You should appologize to Rob.

Indonesia has few drug users and crime….they are a Muslim nation, therefore, Muslim countries have lower crime.

They probably do. And I agree that the religion is probably a major factor — I'd be afraid to commit a crime when the penalty is losing a body part too.

Were you ignoring it or hoping that I forgot what I wrote?

ADD is a distinct third possibility!

No you can't.

Hawaii
Brady Rank: 8
Murders: 22

North Dakota
Brady Rank: 44
Murders: 12 (~half of Hawaii)

Yes I can, Hawaii has double the population of North Dakota. Yawn.

I guess you're wrong. You should appologize to Rob.

You can apologize to me.

Scroll up. I compared two states (California and Florida) with nearly equal population density but polar opposite gun laws. Were you ignoring it or hoping that I forgot what I wrote?

I just think that there are too many factors that lead to these statistics than your simple explanation of having different gun laws. California, particularly LA has a major gang problem…..well…..LA has multiple problems that cause the type of behavior we see..or that you are discussing.

This is more complex than you are letting on. You should be more honest about that.

This is more complex than you are letting on. You should be more honest about that.

Dude, I picked two cities that have the same population densities, the same ethnic (and cultural)demographics, the same median incomes. What else do you want me to take into account? The temperature of the water off their respective coastlines? You are being rediculous.

If we go with your method of measuring data, then everything is too complex to conclude anything. We needn't bother making heuristic generalizations or simplifying models. In fact, we shouldn't discuss anything at all because there is no right or wrong, it's just all very complicated.

The difference between you and me is that none of this is all that important to me so I'm not afraid to admit it when I'm wrong. Based on the argumentative pretzels you're bending into, I'd say that your whole identity is defined by where you stand on these issues so reevaluation is not an option. I repeat, that's kind of sad.

This has been a waste of time.

Pilgrim. You mean rational people who are not under the influence of drugs. This could be the reason why Republican (Red) states are safer than Democrat (Blue) states.

Our military began random enforced drug testing during the mid 1980s. I was glad to know the guy next to me was a rational adult. Not many murders in the military. Some, yes, but way fewer than the general population.

Once again, comparing gun violence in a state with a population density of 9 people per sq mile to a small western city with 4100 people per sq mile is meaningless.

So, let's compare the areas where people actually live then.

Fargo- Pop 99,200. City Size 37.9 sq miles. Pop Density: ~2618 per square mile. Granted that's only 3/8th of L.A. but still. Even if both murders were in Fargo, that's still way under what it should statistically be.

The average Population density for N. Dakota big cities is about 2000. We're not going to count the massive areas of unlived in areas, or farmland. North Dakota has a shockingly low murder rate for ANY state. By contrast, Alaska has a murder rate of ~5.5 for every 100,000. So for a pop of ~626,000 that's 34 or 35 murders. For a state that's a hell of a lot more spaced out.

Way to ignore my example of Hawaii.

What example? You just pointed to a number, with no facts, no reason, etc.

Hawaii: HOMICIDE HITS 35-YEAR LOW; CRIME RATE FALLS

From YOUR link:

The Attorney General's Office reported homicide (emphasis in original) at a 35-year low in 2003 and the overall crime rate down 8.9 percent.

The overall decline in crime ended three consecutive years of increase …

So after three years of more murders than the last, we have a drop. Which means what? Calling the Hawaii police department revealed that no new gun laws have been implimented to affect the murder rate. So. You. Don't. Have. A. point.

Hawaii is also having a historical low record in crime this year, beating 35 years of crime in Hawaii. Hawaii is a liberal state where few people own firearms.
Shall I also create an argument that the crime rate is low because fewer people own guns, yes or no?

But the murder rate rose for three years. Do we blame that on liberalism? In reality, Hawaii's gun laws are pretty lax. Register your firearm. No real restrictions on what you can have.

You called me intellectually dishonest for not accepting Robs intellectually dishonest causation theory. That is beyond silly.

Except Rob made no such causation theory. Which you later point out. But still no apology for calling him dishonest.

Hooray for that vaunted liberal honesty.

You know what a major and minor premise is yes? How about a syllogism? Why don't you show me how Rob's differs from mine, then tell me who has won the debate.

You certainly haven't. You've been wrong on multiple points you've made, and refused to acknowledge error. You called people liars over arguments they didn't make. And you threw out irrelevant evidence that neither supports or weakens your theory…or ANY theory. And when confronted on being wrong, you tried a look over there tactic.

You definately lose.

Screw density.

Houston, we have found the problem and that problem is the young black male.

The increases in firearm homicide we measured were almost twice as high among blacks as among whites and they were mostly concentrated in central metropolitan and fringe metropolitan areas

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All that glorification of the thug culture has an end result. Wanting to keep it real. Not frontin or posing. Getting their street creds as a true thug, word up — well you get a bunch of short-tempered idiots without people skills glocking one another with their guns held sideways.

A lot.

But the forces of Political Correctness prevent society from addressing this Mule in the Parlor. Dare we not profile criminals, as those who, statistically act, well criminal.

So the Leftards blame guns.

They rail against Rush Limbaugh (words have meaning — WTF??? )

They blame the NRA.

They blame White Men Gun owners.

Anything and anyone besides those who are committing the crime far out of proportion to their numbers.

So if we are going to get our hands around crime, we need to look at what the root causes are and go after the real culprits.

Leave the law-abiding White, middle-aged guys, who aren't doing the crime, other than exercising the Second Amendment Rights, alone.

Leave the law-abiding White, middle-aged guys, who aren't doing the crime, other than exercising the Second Amendment Rights, alone.

Yeah…

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Because nobody fears this guy……in suburban white America, we should fear black gang bangers…..makes sense…..total.

What example? You just pointed to a number, with no facts, no reason, etc.

The example of Hawaii having a low murder/crime rate compared to other cities who have larger crime and murder rate. Same point as Robs.

The problem with you Kenny, is you can't accurately assess what your debate foes offer, so your counter arguments are always off from the start.

So after three years of more murders than the last, we have a drop. Which means what?

Which means nothing….that is exactly the point. You can not draw a correlation of why the murders dropped simply on one reason alone, unless there is ample evidence….none of which Rob provided.

Calling the Hawaii police department revealed that no new gun laws have been implimented to affect the murder rate. So. You. Don't. Have. A. point.

Lord! The point is that contrast to Robs point, few people have firearms in this liberal utopia……and yet our crime rates drop and go up for reasons that have more to do with the fact that FEW GOD DAMNED PEOPLE HAVE GUNS.

But the murder rate rose for three years. Do we blame that on liberalism? In reality, Hawaii's gun laws are pretty lax. Register your firearm. No real restrictions on what you can have.

Your guess is as good as mine Poncho, but not better. We can look at unemployment rates, narcotics addiction and many, many other factors. That is exactly my point.

Except Rob made no such causation theory. Which you later point out. But still no apology for calling him dishonest.

Hellooooo! He said it wasn't his point….BUT HE FEELS THAT IS CORRECT ANYWAY.

You've been wrong on multiple points you've made, and refused to acknowledge error. You called people liars over arguments they didn't make. And you threw out irrelevant evidence that neither supports or weakens your theory…or ANY theory.

That is as jacked up of DX as any. What the problem appears to be as far as I am concerned is that both Hairy, Rob and myself were all making similar but different arguments.

Hair was talking about gun "laws", which confused me and Rob was talking about the number of guns per population. So I ended up talking about both, but was mostly focused on number of guns per capita.

Get with it Kenny…..cause you sure are not on it.

Sorry about that…something when wrong when I was on the tele…not paying attention.

Show of hands…. anybody here get served with divorce papers before?

Some can handle it better than others. Some have better attorneys and / or judges than others.

Heh. So your argument is…..hey, it happens….but you don't care if the "law abiding, middle aged, WHITE GUY" offs a few people now an then because you can understand how someone might decide to murder people?????

Crazy man.

I am not even arguing that people shouldn't have guns. My only argument is that if you give people access to guns on a regular basis…shit will happen…..and it will, because it does and anyone who says different is lying.

So, basically, sanni has had its ass handed to it 5 times in this thread alone, and is now crying about how confused it is. We already knew that, stupid.

The facts AND statistics show you to be 100% wrong. Now suck on it.

MikeZulu? Do you need to hit the supply room and sign out your Shovel; type Derision Heaping, unit of issue 1ea? Or do you already have one? Its always been a part of my basic TO&E.

Thanks but LayDownSally gave me hers before she bailed.

I can never hope to swing it like she did though.

She presented stuff like:

How many hours did it take for you to tease that tidbit out of your colon?

Damn, she made me laugh.

What's more interesting (and perhaps pathological) is that people who live in those sparsely populated areas feel so unsafe that they need to arm themselves to the teeth.

I arm myself to the teeth because I love firearms and my right as a free man to own them. I don't expect liberals to understand this, but I do expect them not to tread on my fucking Constitutionally protected right.

Hanni, I have owned and shot firearms since I was 9 years old, I'm 37 now. On a VERY regular basis I have access to, and shoot/hunt with my four Assault Weapons(GASP!!). So according to your logic I'm a liar because "SHIT" hasn't happened to me or anyone else around me.

Yeah, people are going to go off now and then and that part of any free society sucks.

First, I wasn't talking about everybody, only some. Then you go ahead and prove my point by agreeing some people go off.

Look, I can present facts all day to you idiots. But none of you are going to admit Santa Massacre guy probably wouldn't have killed as many if he didnt have guns.

Again, i am not against people having guns, but that doesn't mean i am going to deny reality like the rest of you idiots and pretend that having guns doesn't mean bad news when someone snaps….it does…and anyone who says different is lying.

Oh, and I am 46, been handling firearms since age 7, never accidentally shot anyone in all that time. Same goes for family members. Guess shit only happens to sanni.

Note how in the trollian vocabulary, any one who disagrees with it can't be mistaken. They can't be incorrect. They are lying.

Trust a real liar like Hannitized to know all about lying! Heh.

Oh, and the only one lying here is you, sanni. The facts AND statistics prove you wrong, your refusal to accept reality makes you a liar.

2 dollar Bic!?!? Good Gawd, where do you shop?

Look, I can present facts all day to you idiots. But none of you are going to admit Santa Massacre guy probably wouldn't have killed as many if he didnt have guns.

Your the fucking idiot. I admitted in my post people are gonna go off and kill innocents. Why do you try to start fights for nothing? Jesus Christ Hanni, your not right about everything boy. Here's some more reality for you…Automobiles kill 28,000 more people a year than gun homicides(2005 Fatality analysis reporting system). Maybe your liberal friends should barrage that shit everyday when 109 people are killed by autos. American autos: 243 million. American legally owned guns:218-283 million. Give it a rest, your not winning this one boy.

The only one made a fool of in this thread is you, sanni. And exactly what law stopped him from making a flamethrower and torching the place? Is that covered under Brady?

Yeah, that happens all the time Hotel……who let the cuckoo out of the clock????

Why is nobody slapping this monkey down? You partisans only try to argue with those who shine light on your asinine arguments.

Ho-hum.

Your the fucking idiot. I admitted in my post people are gonna go off and kill innocents.

Yes, and thanks….this is great. But what I argued was that nobody is going to admit that fewer people would have died if Santa killer didn't have a gun.

So….prove me wrong. Who is going to admit it??

Why do you try to start fights for nothing? Jesus Christ Hanni, your not right about everything boy.

No kidding. But my opponents are arguing that I am wrong. Am I? Would fewer people have died if the Santa killer had a knife only, yes or no? Prove me wrong!

Here's some more reality for you…Automobiles kill 28,000 more people a year than gun homicides(2005 Fatality analysis reporting system). Maybe your liberal friends should barrage that shit everyday when 109 people are killed by autos.

OK, now you are just being argumentative. We need autos everday to commute to work and other things. We don't need guns everyday.

American autos: 243 million. American legally owned guns:218-283 million. Give it a rest, your not winning this one boy.

It's not about winning…it's about having a debate. And nobody is going to concede on your side.

That is not the "point" you were making, sanni. Your "point" was that he was middle aged and white.

See, it keeps throwing its panties against the wall as it spins, waiting for them to stick some place.

" OK, now you are just being argumentative. We need autos everday to commute to work and other things. We don't need guns everyday."

Wrong, We don't NEED cars, and cars aren't even a Constitutional right. Get up early and walk to work, ride your bike, or take a bus. The only thing we NEED is food, water, and shelter. Piss weak point Hanni. It's called the "Bill of Rights". Not the "Bill of Needs".

Maybe less people would have been killed without Santa killer having a gun, maybe not(prove me wrong). But, If someone in the house would have had their own gun, perhaps Santa killer would have been DRT when he came in the front door. Like I said, thats life in a free society.

Damn.

Sometimes I almost feel sorry for Hann.

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The boy got owned

Hellooooo! He said it wasn't his point….BUT HE FEELS THAT IS CORRECT ANYWAY.

And? So, despite the fact that what he said was correct. And what he sid was logical, you still call him a liar.

That makes you a jackass.

The problem with you Kenny, is you can't accurately assess what your debate foes offer, so your counter arguments are always off from the start.

Dude, you just spent 20 posts caling Rob a liar for making an argument he NEVER MADE. I countered you on that and I was spot on.

You blamed guns for the two murders this year, even though neither was a shooting. Others countered you on that, and were spot on.

You pointed to Hawaii as a counter example, when crime had been spiking, and claimed it as a counter example…which wa, quite frankly, stupid.

Because nobody fears this guy……in suburban white America, we should fear black gang bangers…..makes sense…..total.

Suburban white America has far less crime than urban black America. No one drives thru a cul-de-sac and feels the need to lock their doors. Spin it however you like, this is rare, and far less deadly than inner cities.

Suburban white America has far less crime than urban black America. No one drives thru a cul-de-sac and feels the need to lock their doors. Spin it however you like, this is rare, and far less deadly than inner cities.

The funny thing is, there is more fear in suburban white America than any place else. Unless it's liberal white suburban America, which is rarer. We liberals like to live life, not wait for boredom to kill us.

Beware the Trojan virus.

Beware the Trojan Ass: He posts lies on every thread trying to scare people away that he has no prayer off convincing via his lame arguments.

Well, sometimes a guy is just trying to be helpful. Seriously. Just stepping out of character for a moment.

It might not have been from here. Perhaps I just assumed such but it did occur when I was at this site. Not familiar enough to know if it could have been downloadiing while I was elsewhere.

I pointed out some targeted data as to statistically who was doing the killing with guns.

Keep in mind the population presented is a minority within the greater population

Yeah, and who is doing the mass murders with guns? Blacks or whites? Whites!

So quit with the false meme that "law abiding, middle-aged, white men" are not bad guys….they are bad guys just as anyone.

And here is a clue for you, dipshit. Do you think the long history of slavery and inability for minorities has anything to do with the long and circular criminal problems of urban America??? Holy crap…..talk about ignorant.

sanni has progressed to the"I didn't say that, he said that" stage of its routine. That is what it does when it gets its ass handed to it.

As for viruses, I have been here for over 2 years, never got any from here. I have gotten them from links certain people have thrown in threads, thats why I don't go to any links those certain people post. I do get viruses from .gov pages on a regular basis, USG web pages having the worst security rating of anything on the web, NASA being the cleanest, Dept Interior and Dept Justice being worst, in my experience.

Move_Zig says, after being given enough rope;

Kids from White Suburbia are blessed with living in a soft, pink fuzzy-bunny world where they see fake death on TV, hear of it grunted out in Goth lyrics and think–in an abstract, detacted way–that Death is cool.

They have the confidence and brashness borne of never having been struck with a fist, or open hand or a belt. These kids have no fear because they cannot comprehend the world that exists outside suburbia's soft cocoon.

First, what a bit of racial arrogance to believe white kids don't fight or get spanked with a belt. Sigh…..

But more importantly, look how Move just spelled out the cultural differences between North Dakota and any other state Rob was trying to compare to. Move, much like Kenny just argued against Rob's point and endorsed mine unwittingly.

They just identified a difference between the two areas that have much to do with socioeconomic differences, cultural differences, historical benefits of coming from the power structure of slave owner vs. slave.

Yet, we are to believe that Rob's little anecdote, was accurate? Phsaw.

This is why nobody of merit takes SAB seriously. Have you ever seen a genuine debate at this site without it being deteriorated into 4th grade level insulting?

Rarely, hardly ever. I know a few are capable of it, but then the children come and crap all over it. Even still….nobody takes this site seriously…..and there is a reason.

Yet you all rush around to debate my counter arguments every chance you get.

The only way you can make yourself feel better, is to declare yourself the victor after having your arguments disassembled.

The only thing Proof knows about Trojans is what they look like when he pulls them from out of his arse.

The POS Hannitized, who, in a drunken stupor drove off a cliff at age seventeen and landed on his head, has never recovered from the brain damage and subsequent personality disorders that followed. As a consequence, he lives in a fantasy world where he is mildly competent. He is not.
His wild bouts of lying and paranoia are to be excused as one would from any other mental deficient.
He is to be pitied.

Proof,

If i was outed as having trashed a vietnam vet, and for making phony prayers for the president elect, I might be upset at those who outed me. But the level of derangement you suffer really makes me worry about your stability.

Nobody cares if you are gay. We all have gay friends Proof. Nobody cares.

If i was outed as having trashed a vietnam vet, and for making phony prayers for the president elect, I might be upset at those who outed me.

But I wasn't! I was merely lied about by a snot nosed, brain damaged weasel with delusions of adequacy!

Even money that the accident that damaged his head, also removed his reproductive organs. Either that, or he made some of his typically misogynistic remarks on a date with Lorena Bobbitt!

The girls love it when you sing soprano, Hannie!
You also seem to know an awful lot about the gay lifestyle, not that there's anything wrong with that! It's just, you've been projecting on everything else?

Hey, sanni knows all about that stuff!

He does manage to get almost everything exactly backwards! He seems to delight in projecting his own inadequacies upon others. When I mentioned I was a Life member of the NRA, he projected his own inadequacies as a shooter and a human being on me. He can't seem to tell the difference between a normal heterosexual and a perverted homosexual. I think mainly he's just jealous of anyone who has a life or even a small modicum of success!
I've got some video of me and my friends down at the range firing some fully automatic weapons, that if he were to see that, both how good looking I am and what a great shot I am with a fully automatic rifle, he might just die and go to heaven from envy!
And nobody wants that! Especially, St. Peter, who, in the unlikely event that Hannitized sees the Pearly Gates, would have to spend eternity dealing with him, certainly wouldn't want to start now! Heh.

Even in full auto, with the right touch on the trigger, you can fire three shot bursts as pretty as your Mama's corn bread! Um-mmm!

FYI, the Puritans didn't believe in observing "Christmas". They worked on Christmas just like any other day.
Observing my Puritan roots, I unloaded a moving van on Christmas day, and continued my "work" of ridiculing the ridiculous, skewering the scornful and generally mocking obnoxious twits with delusions of adequacy.

I think you fall in there somewhere, Han-job!

When I mentioned I was a Life member of the NRA, he projected his own inadequacies as a shooter and a human being on me.

You mean when you admitted you didn't know much about shooting "RIFLES"….because you shoot "pistols"? Oh Proof…….you are so dishonest…and insecure.

He can't seem to tell the difference between a normal heterosexual and a perverted homosexual.

I am pretty good at it Poofy. For instance, I correctly identified you as a homosexual before you admitted it.

I think mainly he's just jealous of anyone who has a life or even a small modicum of success!

Hmmm….that is interesting. What did/do you do for a living old timer? I am willing to compare W2s….are you?

I've got some video of me and my friends down at the range firing some fully automatic weapons, that if he were to see that, both how good looking I am and what a great shot I am with a fully automatic rifle, he might just die and go to heaven from envy!

OMG…..i just shot Vitamin Water out of my nose. Did you seriously just say that???

Hahahaha. You are too precious Poofy.

Once again, you have about 9 people per square mile in ND, 630,000 people.

In Portland where I live we have 4100/ sq mile and 630,000 in the city.

With those numbers, you shouldn't have even had 2 murders. You rarely even see each other.

AR-15: Dino exemplifies Twain's old adage:

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Dino compares apples to oranges in comparing the area of a city to the entire state, rather than to cities within the state. Vast empty spaces (like those between Dino's ears) have no population to either shoot or not shoot anyone.

A comparison of cities would have been more honest. But, then, that wouldn't be Dino!

Largest City in North Dakota: Fargo

Population: 90,600 (Metro population: 148,700)
Murders: 2

Largest city in Oregon: Portland

Population: 576,000 (Metro population: 2,500,000)
Murders: 22

Looks pretty comparable to me. And we won't die of boredom here.

dinothefakehomo, you should invest in a new script. The one your are using is no longer recommended by guncontrolinc or the bradycampaign. But hey! You know that.

DINO, you dumb asshole. Fargo=only Liberal city in ND (voted Obama 08) Like I said, you liberals have zero common sense. Again, these people weren't killed by firearms!!! How many times does a liberal need to get punched in the nose before they realize it hurts? Read the post before you respond with a liberal, knee jerk, uninformed response. Shutter' down, your only burying yourself even more boy.

Race has nothing to do with this except the facilitation of "they can't help themselves" since the 60's. I live in a mixed neighborhood from the start. Everyone here buys into the idea that each person is personally responsible, and follows the rules and laws of the community.

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Notice, Proof, the boy from the low percentage gun ownership state is laughing at you because you own, and discharge, guns. Sad, bordering on unmanly.

Um, yeah…..but some of us like guns so much that not only do we shoot them during the day, but we shoot them during the night.

You are ex-military HotelWhiner, tell me something. If you were to shoot an Iraqi Terrorist at night, what would you use, a PVS-14 behind your ocular lens, or a PS22 HST? What is the difference between intensifier tubes, even within the same generation?

What is the max magnification you can obtain by putting a NV system in front of your objective lens? What is the max magnification achieved by putting an NV system behind of the ocular?

Is IR illumination necessary, if so, how much to compensate for F-stop? What is the mW rating of the IR illuminator needed to hit a target at 300 yards? What type of diode do you prefer.

You think you what you are talking about when you call out my ability to shoot rifles, but trust me…..I doubt you could compete.

Little Orphan Hannie read a book once! (Or had one read to him, more likely!)
Hey, Han-job: Next time you ferry a real military man to the strip club, tell them that until about a week ago, you thought the National Rifle Association was only about rifles!
Bet it will be the best laugh he has all year!
And Hannie…he won't be laughing with you!

Little Orphan Hannie read a book once! (Or had one read to him, more likely!)

Ha! You don't even know what I am talking about Poofy. What is the difference between a laser diode vs LED? Which is better and why?

And still waiting for 2HotelWhiner to explain the difference between intensifier tubes between both same generation and different. Don't worry Hotel….I KNOW you don't know.

Hey, Han-job: Next time you ferry a real military man to the strip club, tell them that until about a week ago, you thought the National Rifle Association was only about rifles!

Hahahaha! Oh Poofy, we already had a good laugh at you for flashing your NRA logo around even though you don't know the first thing about sniping or shooting rifles.

As I said long ago. Any self respecting NRA member knows you must not only be proficient in shooting at close range with hand guns, but also riles.

You are in a league you do not belong in old man.

Y'all stop going for each others throat

Now why would I want to crawl down in the cesspool to get near his throat? He seems to like sucking sewage!

I am a self respecting NRA member and I am quite proficient in both. What I am not proficient in is getting ideas across into the vacuous skulls of Hawaiian trolls.

Um, yeah….which is why when I challenged you on some basic questions any self respecting NRA rifle enthusiast should know, you weaseled out and cried;

Where did I ever say I was a rifle enthusiast? I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, as is the NRA. You are surely not so stupid as to assume that there are only rifle enthusiasts in the National Rifle Association? Are you totally ignorant as to that fine organization???

Even though I own quite a few rifles, my personal preference is for the handgun. FYI, at the distances I shoot, sans optics ("sans" means "without"…I didn't want you to have an aneurysm!)parallax is not a concern! Although I learned both the term and its meaning back when I was a lad in public school. – Proof

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_pre_inaugural_…

BTW, You may try to fake it now, and pretend you weren't so mind-numbingly ignorant of who is in the NRA and what they stand for, but regular readers know you for the phony you are, you pathetic little asshat!

And that was before I started asking questions that any self respecting shooter should know about sniping in the dark.

2HotelWhiner tried to call me out as a man on shooting guns, then when challenged he ran away to do some research before he could answer even the most basic of questions….such as;

1. What are the difference between intensifier tubes, both between the generations and within.

2. What is the level of additional IR illumination is needed to shoot at 300yds in mW?

3. What is a laser diode and how does it differ from an LED?

4. What is the magnification maximum achieved by putting a monocular behind the ocular lens?

5. What is the max magnification achieved by putting a system in front of the objective?

6. Now tell me again…….who is the real shooter in the house???

Any self respecting NRA member knows you must not only be proficient in shooting at close range with hand guns, but also riles.(sic)

Han-job: Have you ever even read The American Rifleman? It's one of the monthly publications of the NRA. If you had, you'd know that you're just full of crap!
Self respecting members of the NRA have many interests, and I've never read anyone in any NRA publication (and I've been reading them since before you were born!) said anything about members who "must not only be proficient in shooting at close range with hand guns, but also rifles".

You are simply making shit up to try to cover your colossal ignorance of one of the premier shooting, self-defense and Second Amendment organizations of our great nation.

Your mommy probably didn't let you play with toy guns, either!

Self respecting members of the NRA have many interests, and I've never read anyone in any NRA publication (and I've been reading them since before you were born!) said anything about members who "must not only be proficient in shooting at close range with hand guns, but also rifles".

So you admit then that you are not proficient in shooting rifles at long distances?

If you are, then show me. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!

I picture Hannitized as Paris Hilton's little yappy purse dog. Watch it bounce and bark as it pretends to be a fierce watchdog. Yeah. Right!

So we can now safely conclude that Proof is too GUTLESS, TOO COWARDLY, TOO INSECURE to step up to the place LIKE A MAN and answer some questions.

By the way, troll, thanks for reminding us! You never did answer that yes or no question! Are you admitting now that you are too gutless, too cowardly and too insecure to answer, Camp Boy? Heh.

You want me to answer your questions the same day, but we wait weeks and months for you to answer ours? Sorry, Poi Boy! Homey don't play that game! Heh.

And, just a note about "self respecting NRA members": Have you ever heard of gun collectors, Hannitwit?

Some people collect guns for their historic or aesthetic value. Some folks never shoot their guns at all, but could be seriously harmed by laws that infringe upon their Second Amendment rights.

Well, that is the difference between legitimate posers and authentic, bionafied, rifleman. Self respecting riflemen who are NRA members…..would be embarrassed for those who pretend they are part of the gang for merely owning guns.

If you have ever belonged to an online gun forum you would know how seriously people take their passion for being gunsmiths, enthusiasts and shooters. We don't suffer fools lightly who go around posing…..flashing their NRA membership as a pretense to belong to something bigger than themselves, to which they contribute little.

sanni, you cut&paste some information from google and call yourself an "expert" on guns. Too funny. You keep getting your ass handed to you, and we are happy to keep doing it.

As for long range proficiency, I shot a coyote and 4 groundhogs yesterday. Used the SMLE, standard flip up adjustable sight. Took the coyote at 473 meters, as read off my optical range finder(a Bausch monocle), and the whistlepigs at 350, 322, 438, and 291. All hit with 180gr Powerpoint Remington cartridges.

What did you shoot yesterday, sweety?

Well, that is the difference between legitimate posers and authentic, bionafied (sic), rifleman. Self respecting riflemen who are NRA members…..would be embarrassed for those who pretend they are part of the gang for merely owning guns.

You've outed yourself here, yet again, Hannitwit! You are clueless as to who is in the NRA, because, apparently, you've never read any of their publications, are not a member, and up until I began to "school" you, were entirely clueless as to its membership or purpose.

No NRA member that I know of would disparage another for, as you put it "merely owning guns". Guns are a part of our history as a country. Legitimate gun collectors have as much right to own firearms as anyone else, and it's protected in the Constitution (yet another publication you are unfamiliar with!)

You also seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that if you do not know the technical term for something, then ergo, you cannot do it. That is clearly sophomoric and false!
Tell that to Sgt. Alvin York! (You can Googleâ„¢ him later. You know a real education might begin to put a dent in your colossal ignorance? You should try it sometime!)
I doubt that Sgt. York knew a fraction of the jargon you threw out, yet it never stopped him from getting the job done!

Now, I'm not claiming to be Sgt. York. But, I'm also not going to tell you how many of those questions I could answer off the top of my head, because you haven't earned any respect!
You're a foul mouthed, lying, ignorant POS punk, who has lied about me personally, and one who I still doubt knows which end the round comes out!

Let me see if I can simply this so that even a product of the Hawaiian kindergarten can understand it:

You say that if I don't answer your questions, then I am a "poseur". Because, I suppose you believe that an absence of evidence is evidence. By that token, there has never been a photo of your testicles on this forum, therefore, you don't have any!
(You can see how that juvenile line of reasoning falls apart quickly! But, in the case of your missing testicles, people might tend to believe it!)

Or take the incident, when you were 17, and drove off that cliff in a drunken stupor: Because you did not know the rule that objects fall at a rate of sixteen feet per second, per second, would you argue that therefore, you never hit the ground? Childish twit!

But, please! Continue to come here and tell us what "self respecting NRA members" do and don't do. It's very amusing to those of us who are!

Oh, and the phrase you were trying in vain to find earlier was "bona fide". The only thing "bone-ified" here is your head! Heh.

Evidence that i (sic) answered your question the day you requested.

Evidence must be yet another word young Hannitwit is unfamiliar with! I remember that evasive answer! The question, young twit was "yes" or "no":

Is "camp" short for "campaign", yes or no?

You gave us more spin, and no "yes or no" answer. Are you totally incapable of honest discourse? Sheesh!

I smell a troll!

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You are clueless as to who is in the NRA, because, apparently, you've never read any of their publications, are not a member, and up until I began to "school" you, were entirely clueless as to its membership or purpose.

Oh brother! You probably know as much about the NRA as the website gateway allows. Of course being keenly aware and informed on the second amendment rights issue is part of being a member, but what makes someone an standard card carrying NRA member is their enthusiasm for shooting, competitions and keen understanding of the sport.

You probably didn't even know there is a blog, or have a single Midway email alert on specials for equipment.

Here, why don't you look at the new blog that is being created and what it is supposed to be about. Note, there is little about 2nd amendment rights and poseurs who only want to chit chat about their collections.
The NRA's 178 programs now have another venue for promotion. The newly redesigned NRAblog.com (coming on December 10) serves as a one-stop news hub for the National Firearms Museum, NRA Competitive Shooting, NRA Firearms Education and Training, Hunting Programs, Women's Programs, Youth Programs, NRA Range Services, Friends of NRA banquets, NRA Clubs and Associations, and the NRA's Law Enforcement Activities Division.

NRAblog.com will report live from events including the National Rifle and Pistol Championships at Camp Perry, the NRA Bianchi Cup, the NRA Annual Meeting, the National Police Shooting Championships, several popular industry shows, and a variety of state competitions and clinics. The site will offer exclusive interviews with NRA officials and Board members as well as world-class competitive shooters and industry leaders.

Additionally, NRAblog.com offers readers a calendar of upcoming events, the chance to submit photos of themselves at their local Friends of NRA banquets, and the opportunity to learn about NRA programs.

Now who in their right mind is going to join the blog if they don't know about the technical aspects of competitive shooting?? Certainly not Poofy. What are you going to talk about? The last gun you bought and put on the shelf?

Pshaw.

You also seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that if you do not know the technical term for something, then ergo, you cannot do it. That is clearly sophomoric and false!

No. It just identifies the hard-core shooters from the poseurs. Much like surfing……as, there are people who surf, and then there are surfers. There are people who shoot, and then there are shooters. Weather you know it or not, shooters aren't impressed with people who simply shoot, but why in the world would we not tolerate them?

Poofy,

Your constant crying about being attacked, while attacking the me on a greater scale just shows the imbalance that is in your head.

Personally I think you have issues. I give you a hard time because you attack all of your political foes and I dishing it out on a level you can't handle.

I feel sorry for you spending your new years on a blog, ranting. But this year, i will give you a chance to turn it around.

You stop lying and maybe people will treat you differently.

I give you a hard time because you attack all of your political foes and I dishing (sic) it out on a level you can't handle.

No, you give me a hard time because you have a hard on for anyone smarter than you (which is most of the population of the planet) and those, like Rob and I, who express our views intelligently and find an audience for them…something you haven't a snowball's chance in hell of ever achieving on your own.

Prove me wrong! Start your own blog and show me your success! Oh, that's right! You don't even have the stones to express as much as a single original idea on as much as a single entry in the Reader Blogs, knowing that you are such a miserably ignorant screw up, you would open yourself up to criticism that your frail, delicate ego is just not equipped to handle. You just "attack".

Mama's Boy!

Jealousy is such a nasty thing, Hannitwerp! But, then, so are you!

Here's hoping that you get exactly what's coming to you in 2009!

You are right 2Hotelwhiner, probably for the first time in your life. Proof continues to cry.

He is just upset that he has been called out on his ignorance of shooting rifles. As if anyone really cares that I am a better and more informed rifle enthusiast and shooter, than the self promoting NRA member who has issues.

I feel sorry for him having to attack his political opponents all the way until 11:44PM on new year eve and up until 12:21AM on new years day. Sad.

I feel sorry for him having to attack his political opponents all the way until 11:44PM on new year eve and up until 12:21AM on new years day. Sad.

11:44PM on new year eve. Another bone-headed conclusion, jumped to by a bone-headed twit. I already explained to you on another thread (the one where we discussed teaching you to tie your own shoes after you learn to tell time!), that there is a TWO hour time difference between California and Hawaii.

Here's where the MATH gets tough for Hannitized: When you add "2" to a very large number like "9", you have to carry the one! So, my last comment to you, at a quarter to eleven is the one you're talking about.
Big.
Freaking
deal.

At least I can do simple math, Tiki Twit!
Sheesh, what an idiot Hannitwit is!

Its continued unmanly crying is just too funny. And it has yet to prove that crime is caused by guns, or that guns at "swap meets" are stolen, or that Palin is an idiot, or told us what country in Central Africa the uranium came from, or what Saddam purchased all that uranium for. All it does is cry.

Proof, better watchout, giving your personal info is a bit hazardous, given leftards' predilection for theft and impersonation for purposes of character assassination.

Here's the link for anyone who wants to see who attacked whom on Christmas Day!

I am not denying that I insulted you on Christmas,

The moronic troll confuses insult with attack. Possibly, because the words are in English!

And I'm sure that on whatever thread Hannitized was "insulted", he had opportunity to respond! The unprovoked attack on the Silver Bells thread, an attack on a political opponent on Christmas Day, as Hannitwit likes to remind everyone, was mere petty spite from an inarticulate troll, so insecure in his own manhood that he has to lie about everyone else's, who is mind numbingly stupid and/or mind numbingly dishonest and lies and libels people with wanton disregard for the truth.

Small wonder that I insulted such a twit. The fact that he whines and cries that it was "on Christmas, or New Year's", when he himself is guilty of the same or worse, in not simply hypocritical, it is deranged!

And here is another attack Poofy had to make on Christmas day, just an hour or two before my response to his attack on "Silver Bells".
http://sayanythingblog.com/submittedlink/link_680…

You see, it is not hard to prove you are a liar Poofy. Not only do I have you saying you insulted me on Christmas day, but I have the evidence to prove it.

Sad. Sad.

Here is your chance to turn it around for the New Year Proof, what will you do?

Proof says:

The moronic troll confuses insult with attack. Possibly, because the words are in English!

The king of not understanding words now destroys the meanings of Insult and Attack. Too funny!

Attack:

5. to try to destroy, esp. with verbal abuse: to attack the mayor's reputation.

Now compare to insult.

Insult

1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.
2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.
3. Archaic. to attack; assault.
–verb (used without object)
4. Archaic. to behave with insolent triumph; exult contemptuously (usually fol. by on, upon, or over).

Now watch it squirm, spin and lie it's way away from the harsh reality that it just got it's ass handed to him on the similarities between attack and insult.

Just like all the words he uses, he NEVER understands the meanings of the words he uses.

Again…more PROOF, Proof is not at all an ounce as smart as he pretends to be.

This is your chance to turn it all around Proof. Will you admit you were wrong?

Proof is not at all an ounce as smart as he pretends to be.

You're right! I'm smarter than I pretend to be! It lulls the truly moronic trolls into a false sense of security! Heh.

At least I don't go around "reading people's minds", telling them what movies they have or haven't watched, or what organizations they belong to, entirely clueless as to what I'm talking about like some Hawaiian trolls I might mention, but won't, because it gets its little feelings hurt whenever someone reminds it of its shortcomings. (And they are many! )

That's not an "insult"!

It was context, the insult was below. Here is a reminder. Now watch it spin and lie.

…because you're too mind-numbingly stupid to understand what I said, or too mind-numbingly dishonest to admit it, shows that you've once again driven of the intellectual cliff! Happy landings! – Proof (On Christmas)

Even on Christmas Day Poofy? You have a chance to turn it all around. Will you?

Proof, you didn't comment on my magazines or the little picuture of me surfing 15ft surf….on a 6'4"!!!!

How many Kahunas of the Kiddie Pool can surf 15-20ft surf on a 6'4" shortboard????

because you're too mind-numbingly stupid to understand what I said, or too mind-numbingly dishonest to admit it, shows that you've once again driven of the intellectual cliff! Happy landings! -

I think the fact that you have not changed your lying troll-like behavior is a prima facie evidence that you are too mind numbingly stupid or mind numbingly dishonest to understand what I said!

Your mind numbing stupidity and dishonesty goes back for months. Had it only started on Christmas, I might have given you the benefit of the doubt! Google "mind numbingly stupid mind numbingly dishonest or both" and it takes you straight back to some of the most, dare I say it? mind numbingly stupid or mind numbingly dishonest comments you made on a thread about Ted Nugent back in March. How are you any less mind numbingly stupid or less mind numbingly dishonest today (or Christmas Day) than you were then?

Poofy,

Here is a picture of a range estimating scope (side wheel parallax adjustment) with an NV system mounted. See the IR illuminator on top?

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And here is a little thing called a suppressor. Who has such things?

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Here's the twit Hannitized insulting me on Dec. 30th:

The only thing Proof knows about Trojans is what they look like when he pulls them from out of his arse.

Just kidding………we all know Proof would never allow his partner to practice safe sex.

If he is surprised that I would be returning the favor a day later, on New Year's Eve, than he is truly stupider than I thought! (And that's saying something!)

Dude! You missed the image from your My Space page!

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What is insulting about you not practicing safe sex with your partner??

i said just kidding to the part where you were pulling the trojans from your buttocks. The additional information was that we know you don't practice safe sex anyway.

There was never any comment that there was a male penis in your behind, was there?

Wow. Been away all day and sanni is still here lying and crying. That has crossed the line from unmanly to sadly pathetic.

sanni? Let me throw you a bone, stupid ass. Quit doing the whole cut&paste lying assed bullshit. It makes you look like a lying assed bullshitered. Which is what you are.

Just a friendly tip, lying assed bullshit spreading muthafuka.

Wow. It has taken its crying to the nth degree. What a sadly pathetic little piece of shit.

2Hotel,

Did you shoot any ground squirrels today with a 180gr slug? That would surely be the sign of a manly man. No?

Actually, sweety, I popped 3 today. Now, being the vastly "intelligent" google slut you are, can you 'splain why I am shooting groundhogs in fields where cattle and horses are kept?

Spart, I have 400 rds of .303 Brit 180gr on hand. That is why I use it for varmint popping.

why I am shooting groundhogs in fields where cattle and horses are kept?

Because it's fun?

Dang, Hotel,

What's your .303 launcher, an Enfield?

That's leave nuthin but smoking paws where a varmint used to be.

In case Dickweed never gets around to researching the need for varminting, I'll venture a SWAG: gopher and Prairie-Dog holes can be stepped in by horse and cattle.

Since they don't have a practical way of healing a horse or cow's leg which has been snapped, for all intents and purposes, a broken leg is a death sentence for the large critters.

If'n the break takes place at the distant end of the North 40, at the very least, you are in for a very long walk.

And some of us are pretty darned attached to our horses!

Attention world's densest troll: "lightning bug" isn't short for anything. You quoted me correctly: but then…

Oh brother…unlike you Poofy, I am also working..even though I am on vacation.

I am having to keep up on the threads while trying to solve my customers problems with VFM on their volume failovers. I'm having to field calls to NetApp and their engineering tech support and customer.

Save me some time Poofy and tell me how the customer can break the source/mirror relationship when a failover occurs? Do they select Break SnapMirror on Fialover? Then, when SnapMirror is broken does the destination data becomes writable? Yes or no.

Now chill out son.

I am telling you that Lightning Bug is two words. So nothing can be short for it.

Proof, it is a new year. You have a chance to turn it all around. What will you do? Continue with the insulting of those who actually know that insult and attack can have the same meaning in the correct context?

It is also a spin off of the acronym, GTMO. There is no reduction of disambiguation of the word Bay in GITMO or GTMO.

I still wouldn't be foolish enough to plug a groundhog with a 180gr slug. A .22lr with a 45gr slug out to do the trick and keep things nice and safe.

You must be quite the stalker, Hanni!

I notice that sanni has done another 180, and is off on another totally unrelated tangent. Typical.

And what would that be? I haven't changed the subject of the last three topics we have been going back and fourth for the last couple days. Are you drunk? Nevermind.

If you think shooting a ground hog is rough business try a mongoose.

I'm willing to try, but am unfamiliar with them. How close can you be to them before they spook? If it's under 300 yards they sound like .22-250 fodder, beyond that to 500 or maybe 600 yards sounds like .300 fodder.

Proof, ist it mind numbingly stupid to not know that Insult and attack have the same meaning in the correct context? Yes or no?

Proof, I answered your question;

Hannitized: I would be more than happy to answer any questions you have for me!
But, first, since fair is fair, answer the questions that I asked first:

Now you wan't me to answer this question. Even though you were stomping your feet and crying loudly for me to answer your question about camp and campaign. I answered that question and now you won't answer mine.

It's simple Proof;

Is it mind-numbingly stupid to not know that the words Insult and Attack have the same meaning in the correct context? Yes or no?

Proof,

You are trying to frame the debate around your narrow understanding of words, such as what is short for what. Bill is short for William but can you please point where the B is in the name William?

Because you are narrow minded and can not figure out what the word short means, much like you can not figure out what the word Insult and attack mean, you go about making yourself the fool.

I don't need your answer. It IS mind-numbingly stupid to not know that Insult and Attack have the same meaning when used in the same context.

But by all means, go on making a fool of yourself.

So the guy who doesn't know the meaning of the word Attack and Insult

You are too funny, troll! Everyone here who has ever read my writing and your incoherent drooling knows the difference.

Oh, and by the way…it's Santa Barbara. You'd think anyone who lived there might know how to spell it, doofus!

Thanks for once again demonstrating your intellectual dishonesty and mental deficiency by not being able to answer simple questions. Questions simple enough even for your simple mind, Hannitwerp!

Everyone here who has ever read my writing and your incoherent drooling knows the difference.

So then everyone knows you were mind-numbingly stupid when you said that the words Attack and Insult did not have the same meaning in the context I used them. So that settles it then.

Yes or no Proof?

Thanks for once again demonstrating your intellectual dishonesty and mental deficiency by not being able to answer simple questions. Questions simple enough even for your simple mind,

More insults Proof? This is a new year and a chance to turn it all around Proof. What are you going to do?

Yes or no Proof. Yes or no!

Using your narrow understanding of the word campaign

As opposed to the wide open understanding of some moron who allows it to mean things it doesn't mean and has never meant…that kind of narrow understanding?

You are too funny, asshat! If by "narrow", you mean "precise" and "correct", then, yes! That is my understanding!

Keep trying to hang your pointy little hat on "attack" and "insult". But, know this: You insult our intelligence if you think anyone is buying your deluded line of crap! Heh.

Go play in traffic, now!

As opposed to the wide open understanding of some moron who allows it to mean things it doesn't mean and has never meant…that kind of narrow understanding?

As opposed to the 16 examples I provided where professional journalists use camp to refer to only those working within a presidential campaign.

Please provide two or three sources where a professional journalist uses the word camp in the context you claim it is only used, to speak of someone who is not a part of a presidential campaign.

You wont, because you cant and because you know I am right.

You can keep pretending we are only talking about attack and insult here, but the list goes on, and on, and on.

You speak of other readers as if they agree with you. Lame. My guys agree with me too.

And you can keep using your foul mouth, but this year is a new chance to turn it all around Poofy, what are you going to do?

OK, perhaps falling through a barn floor and spending 10 hours in the emergency room gives a clearer perspective. First, sanni has not proven, as it has claimed, that guns at "swap meets" are stolen, or that ND has a high crime rate, or that guns cause violent crime. That about sum it up?

And now, onto its sad little distraction.

Insult; a. To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness. 2. To give offense; offend:

Attack; 1. To set upon with violent force. 2. { To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.}
3. To start work on with purpose and vigor: attack a problem.
4. To begin to affect harmfully

So, from these definitions we can infer that any criticism of sanni is an insulting attack. It still has not proven that guns cause violent crime, or that ND has a high crime rate because its citizens own guns. It has spun and twirled and obfuscated, as it always does.

Now, sanni, we have eliminated your bullshit, obviated it in a clear and concise manner. Time for you to prove that North Dakota has a high crime rate because people there own guns. Then you can move on to proving that, as you leftards continually screech, guns cause violent crime.

We will be waiting for your voluminous and incontrovertible prove of these points with bated breath.

Again, to recap, Hannitized's colorful obfuscation aside:

The troll made a stupid, indefensible statement. No big. Nobody's perfect! But here's the funny part! Then, he proceeds to spend days, weeks, months Googling desperately in vain to find some usage somewhere that might be forcibly stretched into his narrow (and incorrect) usage of "camp" being short for "campaign". (The one where he insulted someone else for knowing the correct usage!

Whistler,

Are you seriously that dumb? The word "camp" is short for campaign.

Even there, he misused the word "dumb", which has a connotation of mute, being unable to speak, where it could be improperly construed that a person was ignorant or stupid for the lack of a response.

A lack of response has never been Hannitwit's problem! No, he is quite verbose, flaunting his mental inabilities as a sort of Red Badge of Ignorance.

The fact that the words "camp" and "campaign" are used in close proximity on occasion (as people of various "camps" involve themselves in "campaigns") is proof to no one except for perhaps those with the feeblest of minds that one is "short" for the other. Hence, the plethora of links sewed above.

So, having been proven incorrect months ago, most people would simply "man up", admit their mistake and move on. This witless troll has so much of his ego invested in never admitting he is wrong, especially when proven to be so, beyond the shadow of a doubt, by one whose very presence here deranges him, is simply too much for the Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool to bear! He must return, time and again, flogging the dead horse that is his narrow (and incorrect) interpretation of how "camp" is short for "campaign".

While it is entertaining to view the lengths to which this troll cannot simply be a man and admit his mistake, when you compound that with his propensity to tell lies about his opponents, presumably because he has never won an intellectual argument here, and with his inclination to prevaricate and argue incessantly over points he lost months before, one can see the futility of arguing with such a twit for anything other than the sheer comic entertainment value of watching him twist slowly in the wind.

The crowning bit of hilarity is his accusation that because I have not addressed his dimwitted question that somehow I am ignorant of the usage, differences and similarities of two English words that I have used properly and in their context.

This troll has tried to correct my grammar and punctuation in the past where he was equally mistaken. His propensity to misplace, misuse, omit or include apostrophes that don't belong is legendary. I coined the word "Apostrophobia" just for him when I wrote about "Rob Port Derangement Syndrome".

What is surprising, is his tenacity with this one issue! His usual M.O. after having his ass handed to him, is for him to run away and pretend it never happened, such as the argument he cannot defend that the size of one's W-2 is directly related to one's intelligence.
When asked about high school teachers and college professors versus the W-2's of professional athletes, Hannitwit rightly tucked his tail between his legs and vanished, never to be seen again on that thread, no matter how often he has been reminded of the question he never (can't) answer.

So, good for you Hannitwit! Holding tenaciously to wrong ideas and fuzzy headed thinking has always characterized such great thinkers as the Flat Earth Society , 9/11 Troothers, and inmates of those institutions where people go when they're convinced that they're Napoleon or Jesus Christ! You're in good company, Hannitwit! Heh.

OK, went through that pile of lies and BS, none of it proves that North Dakota has a high crime rate because people own guns, or that guns cause violent crime, or that guns at "swap meets" are stolen. Add to that the fact you have yet to tell us what the fuck a "swap meet" is and you are on the high side of your average, a big, fat Zero(0). We didn't actually expect you to prove any of the bullshit you spew. Especially on the count of word definitions.

Oh, and Texas ain't a city, stupid fuck.

I provided a link that shows that the city of Texas has much more crime, murder, assault and rape than SF. Here is the link;

– Hannitized, lying Marxist piece of shit, confused moron

If you know so much about Texas City why did you say that?

Fuctard Liberal piece of shit.

You truly are a moron. And a piece of shit. And a lying Marxist. And you just keep on proving it.

I don't make this shit up. Unlike you I don't accuse anyone of anything they don't do and I can't prove. Dickless fuktard.

If I am a stupid fuck because I know of something that you don't, and in fact deny exists, what exactly does that make you?

– Hannitized, lying again

No, you are a stupid fuck beause you THINK you know something I don't and you don't. Then you lie about it.

BTW, that makes me an honest man and you a Lying Maxrxist piece of shit.

Bullshtinkle goes schizophrenic;

Hanni to 2Hotel;

If I am a stupid fuck because I know of something that you don't, and in fact deny exists, what exactly does that make you? – Me

Bullshtinkle then replies;

- Hannitized, lying again

No, you are a stupid fuck beause you THINK you know something I don't and you don't. Then you lie about it. – Bullshtinkle

Bullshtinkle…..you DO realize that my comment was addressed to 2Hotel, don't you?

Are you seriously so dumb as to not know what comment to respond to?

Why did i say what? What are you talking about? You sound like a schizophrenic man.

– Hannitized, pretending? to be an idiot.

Uh, gee, the 'that' I was referring to:

I provided a link that shows that the city of Texas has much more crime, murder, assault and rape than SF. Here is the link;

It was conviently located just above. It was a quote from your earlier post, you moron.

I responded because you also referred to 'the city of Texas' in the comments of another post. Another post in which you chose to lie in the comments. I know that a pathological liar like you has trouble keeping track and the idiocy factor weighs in (especially in you case) but please try to keep up, you lying Marxist piece of shit.

What a fuktard you are…

OK, I will type this real slow, so you can read it. Texas ain't a city, stupid fuck. It is a STATE. Texas City, not what you typed or meant, is a TOWN in the STATE of Texas.

Now, where is all that proof that ND has a high crime rate because people own guns? Where is all that proof that guns cause violent crime? Where is all that proof that guns at "swap meets" are stolen? And what the fuck is a "swap meet"? We understand that you are all embarrassed about having your ass handed to you repeatedly in this thread and 7 others, all that can go away simply by providing all that proof.

Oh, and where did the uranium come from and what was your personal hero Saddam having done with it?

Bull already kicked you in the teeth over your fuck up, I'll just point out that Texas City is a TOWN, not a city.

I'll just point out that Texas City is a TOWN, not a city.

Please do!! By all means keep demonstrating your inability to read and accept defeat. Just keep making yourself look foolish. Please?

Texas City is a city located in Galveston County, Texas, a county in the U.S. state of Texas within the Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown metropolitan area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City,_Texas

2Hotel continues his blind ignorance by refusing to Google the words "swap meet"….too funny!

If you had the balls to Google the words "Swap Meet", the first thing that would have come up was a little shin-dig that we put on here in Hawaii, at Aloha Stadium.
http://www.alohastadiumswapmeet.net/

Aloha stadium swap meet is one of the largest Swap meets in Hawaii …
Aloha stadium swap meet, a famous swap meets in Hawaii Aloha Flea Markets is one of the largest Flea markets in HI. Enjoy the great shopping experience at …

Should we keep on going with this stuff 2HotelWhiner???

Just say when dude.

Texas City is a town. Got family there and in Galveston. Now, where is all that proof that ND has a high crime rate because people own guns? And that guns cause violent crime? Or that guns at "swap meets" are stolen? Or what the fuck a "swap meet" is?

We got all the time in the world to keep kicking your teeth in.

This is just too precious. Can you please Google Town of Texas City and show me what comes up? You total twad.

You are precious 2Hotel. I gave you the Towns of Texas link to Wikipedia, and it DOES NOT include Texas City.

You are lying to avoid looking as stupid as you are.

sanni, it is your link, your source of record, and it does not prove that Texas is a city. You claimed Texas is a city. That is what you typed. Now, spin and twirl and cry for us some more.

And while you are at it, provide all that proof that ND has high crime rates because people own guns, that guns at "swap meets" are stolen, and that guns cause violent crime.

We got all the time in the world to wait on you to prove any of the things you have asserted. And we will follow you around, kicking you in the teeth, until you do prove all these points you claimed.

It proves Texas is not a city. You really are fucking stupid.

Keep twirling and crying and spinning, we are laughing like hell at your stupid ass.

All sanni's links prove that Texas is not a city, it is a state.

OK, I will type this real slow, so you can read it. Texas ain't a city, stupid fuck. It is a STATE. Texas City, not what you typed or meant, is a TOWN in the STATE of Texas.

No, Texas City is a City. You can keep lying and the facts will keep proving you wrong. Until you can make Wikipedia, Yahoo and a host of other sources change their content, Texas City will always be listed as a city and not a town.

All you did was prove you lied, Texas is not a city, ND does not have a high crime rate because people own guns, guns do not cause violent crime, guns at "swap meets" are not all stolen, and you don't know what the fuck a "swap meet.

Now, google some more, we ain't done laughing at your stupid fuck ass.

So you just proved you lied, Texas City is a City, not a town. You don't call something a city if it is a town.

You don't know what a swap meet is and you can't figure out what side of an argument someone is on. You should pretty much just call it a day friend you know you are about as sharp as a box of rocks.

For reference, San Francisco had a murder rate of about 9/100,000, good for a big city but still about twice the national everage. In contrast, the state of Texas has a rate of 6/100,000 or less.

Well, that is interesting to compare a city to a state and then claim your comparisons are logical.

I was comparing a city to a city. Texas city, has a larger national average of murder and crime compared to san francisco.

So it shoot the theory down that people who have the right to defend themselves with guns have less crime, vs places that dont.

Had you known what you were talking about before you opened your mouth, you wouldn't look so foolish. Sadly, you didn't ask.

And had you actually READ my comment, you would realize that it's silly to compare murder rates in cities because something else can be going on besides state policy.

Thank you for that Bubba, because that is the exact argument I made to Rob when he tried to use the data from ND to prove people who are armed will have lower crime rates.

I argued that there is more to it than only that. I was then challenged with people making comparisons to states, and I then made a comparison to cities.

Sounds like you agree with me.
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Texa…

Texas CITY violent crime rate per capita is 1.49 time the national average,

2.39 times the national average for Forcible rape.

1.27 times the national average for Robbery

2.86 times the national average for Aggravated Assault.

And IF I am not mistaken, Texas City and State has the right to shoot people for defending their property and their neighbors property…..right?

Statistically, these numbers are the same, Insanitized. Two sample proportion test, p value is .596. One or two murders happening or not happening changes the result, hence statistically insignificant difference.

To put things in perspective, Texas City doesn't have the luxury of pricing poor people out of the city, as does San Fran (or Honolulu). Hence it's stuck with the pathologies of American poverty, which would include crime.

And you're going to argue that North Dakota's low crime rate isn't significant because it apparently is a city like Texas City? Mmm…kay…..

One or two murders happening or not happening changes the result, hence statistically insignificant difference.

Yeah what ever. it's almost 1/4 the total number. But that probably doesn't matter when it contradicts the arguments of your friends. You cant argue that they are the same, it's just dishonest.

Further, you keep arguing my point, but spin it so that it looks like Texas has the problems not cities like SF or Honolulu. Hilarious.

Texas City doesn't have the luxury of pricing poor people out of the city, as does San Fran (or Honolulu).

Yeah OK, sure…what ever you say. Why don't you come down here and take a tour through the West Side of Oahu and spend some time on the beaches. Half of them are tented with homeless people. Our crime rate is lower because they make due and are happy because they can live of the land and are in the sun, good weather and such.

As i said, crime has A LOT more to do with other factors than just the right to arm and defend yourself with guns.

And you're going to argue that North Dakota's low crime rate isn't significant because it apparently is a city like Texas City?

No, my comparisons between SF and Texas city was a counter argument to another person who tried to compare states.

ND crime rate is low, for other reasons aside from having large number of guns in the state. Just as you argued. Thanks.

Texas City is a city, it is not a town like you claimed 2Hotel. Quit trying to lie and claiming you found a link that shows it as a town.

You don't know what a swap meet is and you don't know what argument I am making.

You are twirling like a ballerina and you still can't prove Sarah Palin is smart.

Do a little twirl, do a little spin, throw in a bit of crying and what do you get? sannitized!

And really a quibble over scale. A city is simply a large town, which is a large village, and cities, towns, and villages all use the terms relatively interchangeably.

Tell it to Wikipedia, Yahoo and every other official determining reference that calls Texas city a City. Here;

While you are at it, tell that to the rest of the world, that calls Texas City, a city.

List of cities in Texas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Te…

Now pull out your little mouse…scroll down to the "T" section….and study the letters that are combined together that spell……wait for it.

TEXAS CITY!!! A CITY….IN TEXAS.

Here's more;

And here are more facts for you..
http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/Texas/C…

Texas Bigger Cities (over 6000 residents)

Temple, Texas (TX) (pop. 54,514)
Terrell (pop. 13,606)
Texarkana, Texas (TX) (pop. 34,782)
Texas City (pop. 41,521)
The Colony (pop. 26,531)

http://www.city-data.com/city/Texas.html

And more;

Why don't you go this little weblink titled "Towns of Texas" and see if you can find Texas City in there.

Then keep talking your trash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Categor…

T
Tehuacana, Texas
Tenaha, Texas
Texline, Texas
Thompsons, Texas
Thornton, Texas
Thorntonville, Texas
Throckmorton, Texas
Tioga, Texas
Tira, Texas
Toyah, Texas
Trent, Texas
Trophy Club, Texas

Ah, now it gonna go to mommy and cry cause the other kids were mean to it. Waaaaaaa.

All you have proven is that Texas is a STATE, not a city.

That is a misspelling, only thing it will learn in SF is how to give oral.

I will tell you all about working with Middleware and application concepts, providing maximum business continuity and performance. You then can tell me about working on Oracle performance and HA architecture. Right?

Note the ringing silence from the Honolulu cabbie.

You know, things were relatively silent with only the Portland cement headed troll here for a week. Maybe we could all chip in and send Hannitized for training every week? I'm sure there's a kindergarten somewhere that will accept him?

Standing taller than you, intellectual dwarf! Maybe you are "resolved" to admit something else? Heh.

Proof standing tall with 135504 ad hominem comments and 50 half arguments.