Despicable Self-Loathing

From an editorial about the movie “Syrianna”:

The list of Arab leaders murdered since 1900 is a long one. It includes six prime ministers, three kings, a ruling Imam, seven presidents of the republic, and dozens of ministers, parliamentarians and senior military officials.
Every single one of them was killed either by Islamist militants (often from the Muslim Brotherhood) or by pan-Arab nationalists or by radical Arab security services.
That many Arabs should welcome the suggestion that their tragedies are due to evil doings by foreigners maybe understandable.
It is less so when so many Americans come together to make a film to portray their nation as evil incarnate.

Hell yeah. Go right now and Read The Whole Thing.

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  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    Saddam worked for Saddam solely for the benefit of Saddam.

  • Carrick

    G:

    But sometimes he was working for the benefit of both himself and our elected leaders, or at least they thought. The baathist party coups were supported by the US, Iraq was given chemical weapons by the US to fight IRan. The famous handshake with rumsfeld picture was taken AFTER the mass slaughter of the Kurds. We refused to condemn the killings. CIA analysts even blamed the attack on the IRanians.

    I was just waiting for this type of intellectual swill from Graeme. If it wasn’t for that EVIL UNITED STATES, the rest of the world would just get along and sing in four-part harmony.

    “Iraq was given chemical weapons by the US?”

    Intellectual swill is too kind for this. Intellectual turd is more like it.

  • http://ndblueblog.blogspot.com/ graemea

    Saddam worked for Saddam solely for the benefit of Saddam

    But sometimes he was working for the benefit of both himself and our elected leaders, or at least they thought. The baathist party coups were supported by the US, Iraq was given chemical weapons by the US to fight IRan. The famous handshake with rumsfeld picture was taken AFTER the mass slaughter of the Kurds. We refused to condemn the killings. CIA analysts even blamed the attack on the IRanians.

  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    Nope, you’re still twisting words to have the author, and me, say something that neither of us said. I can only assume that it’s easier for you to try to twist our words than confront what they’re really saying. I didn’t say that Hollywood infected the arabs, nor did the author. He stated in his article that Holloywood was pandering to that pre-existing sentiment.

    You haven’t confronted the article, you’ve tried to change the topic. Talk about lazy.

  • http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

    A right wing “journalist” maintains that the West has not meddled in Arab politics.

    Thats not called a journalist.

    Thats called stupid.

  • WOOF

    Syriana is a MOVIE.
    The article though is propaganda.

    Written by an Iranian member of Benador Associates, who should at least remember who put The Shah on the Peacock throne.

    Meet Eleana Benador, the Peruvian-born publicist for Perle, Woolsey, Michael Ledeen, Frank Gaffney and a dozen other prominent neo-conservatives whose hawkish opinions proved very hard to avoid for anyone who watched news talk shows or read the op-ed pages of major newspapers over the past 20 months.

    Also found among her client list are other major war-boosters, including former New York Times executive editor and now New York Daily News columnist, A M Rosenthal; Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer; the Council on Foreign Relations’ resident imperialist, Max Boot; and Victor Davis Hanson,

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EH15Aa01.html

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Benador_Associates

  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    FR: stupid is not reading the linked article, and/or not realizing that the author asserted no such thing as WOOF claimed. Why, it’s outright unnuanced.

  • robert108

    graemea: Nice ancient history, but it doesn’t apply to the world of today. The time you reference to was when Saddam claimed to be our ally, while Iran was in the Soviet camp. At that time, the Soviets were a far greater enemy, and we acted accordingly. Remember the threat of nuclear annhilation? Ditto arming Bin Laden’s guys in Afghanistan to help them throw out the Soviets.

  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    How does this most recent snippet refute the statement that arabs’ proplems aren’t are our fault? Or that all the high profile assassinations were done by arabs themselves?

    Oh right, it doesn’t refute it…no matter how much you get hung up on semantics.

    As I said, a very unnunaced view.

  • WOOF

    A right wing “journalist” maintains that the West has not meddled in Arab politics.

  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    And yet, I keep coming back to this: the west isn’t the sole source of all the arab’s problems, and all the high profile assassinations were committed by arabs. Trying to distract from those facts don’t make them go away.

    At some point arabs have to take ownership of arab problems, and that starts with admitting that they bear no small amount of responsibility for those problems.

    I don’t give a damn if Rumsfeld shook Saddam’s hand. Lots of diplomats did. Diplomats do that sort of thing, it’s their job. They don’t always like the person, but they do it and smile because that’s the ugly fact about diplomacy: sometimes the person across the table is a real SOB.

    Our support for Saddam in the past doesn’t wash away all responsibility throughout the middle east on the part of the arabs for their problems. Hell, it doesn’t even wash away responsibility on the Iraqi Baathists’ part. We don’t have a mind control ray, making entire countries do what they don’t want to do.

    This is exactly what the author is talking about: self-loathing, a need to blame America as the sole source of the problems of others.

  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    OK, if the term journalist upsets you, I’ll call him an author–after writing 10 books I think he earned that title. Happy?

    As for him maintaining that the west hasn’t meddled in arab affiars, not quite correct. He maintains that the west isn’t responsible for all the ills of the arab world, and that the high profile political assassinations were all committed by arabs–primarily by islamists. What’s not factual about that?

    As for it being “propaganda”, no more so than the movie Syrianna.

  • WOOF

    Hollywood has infected the Arabs with self loathing and they refuse to accept the responsibility for their murderous, incestuous, history. What a concept!!

    PS., The younger generation is lazy.

  • WOOF

    Who did Saddam work for? Add the missing letter ..IA?

    all the high profile assassinations were done by arabs themselves?

  • http://igotthisblog.blogspot.com/ Seth Williams

    So a right wing, pro-war journalist is associated with right wing, pro-war people. Woah! I thought that maybe he would be assoiciated with MoveOn and Answer!

    Seriously, now that we’re done blovating about the obvious, do you have anything that refutes what he said? Did you bother to read the article?

  • WOOF

    The CIA is not capable of anything according to Taheri.
    It is all the Arabs own fault.

    The fact that the CIA is little more than a costly leaking device used by rival groups within the US establishment to lump accusations and counter accusations at one other need not bother the makers of “Syriana”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Did you have anything substantive to made about the point in Seth’s excerpt, or is ad hominem all you’ve got?

    That seems to be a hallmark of today’s left. See an idea you don’t like? Start waving your hands in the air and screaming “DON’T LISTEN TO THEM!”

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