PP,

Can you please explain why you said “I hate to say it but…”?

I am still curious as to why you would hate to say something that has a negative connotation and then allow your friends to harass me for calling you out on what is clearly questionable commentary.

Rbb,

Nodding in agreement.

On the other hand, here’s a use of the word where it seems reasonable:

And my punishment will be effected on the nations with such burning wrath as they have not had word of.

Though the turn of phrase is very clumsy here. This was the only example on Google I was able to find where “effected” was used, and used correctly as far as I can tell.

Here’s an example of its misuse:

If your [you're = you are] financially effected [affected] by gas you need to have a word here.

That’s hilarious. I post an explanation for the misuse of the word “effected” from the same source Hannitized used to start the argument.

Explaining why he’s wrong.

And he’s either to fucking stupid or too ignorant to admit he was wrong.

Even on such a simple and obvious point.

Either way, you’re not worth my bother, dipshit.

Later!

Here goes, liar:

What in the hell does that mean? Questioning his competency to express his thoughts, not the content of what he said. You “hate” to bring it up, but you do it anyway? Again, questioning his competency, with no factual counter argument.

I would like for you to explain exactly what you mean by that? Feigning ignorance of what he clearly said, as a means to question his competency. Are you suggesting that Minorities are stupid? Attempt at mischaracterization. Are you suggesting minorities are not republican? Attempt to twist his words. Are you suggesting that minorities lack political prowess? Attempt to smear him by implying he’s racist. What in THE hell are you suggesting PP? More mischaracterization. He didn’t “suggest” anything; he made a simple declarative statement. Instead of questioning his facts or premises, you resort to purely personal attack.

I am disappointed in you my friend. As if your disapproval, absent of any factual argument, makes him inferior in some way. Pure narcissism.

And, why would anyone be surprised that people in combat would favor the candidate who says “Bring ‘em home now”? Irrelevant, and having no factual basis. PP questioned the factual basis of this information, and you are now begging the question.

So what is the official position on the military PP? Questioning the person, not the facts. You guys seem to want it both ways. More personal stuff; still no facts. Your side always plays the patriotism card and suggest that most of those in the military supported Bush and McCain and then all of a sudden some statistic comes out that doesn’t match up to your theory and all of a sudden there is a logical explaination for it? Pure unsupported nonsense, shaped into a “guilt by association” assassination of pp’s character.

That explanation being that, “well, they are just minorities and cowards”? Again, character assassination by mischaracterization.

Get real. Implied smear.

The truth is that pp made a logical argument, and you responded with pure, unsupported, non factual personal attack.

Let your denials begin, liar.

Rob,

Good news for Obama from a propaganda standpoint, but I think the lopsided contributions speak more to conservative dissatisfaction with McCain than outrageous amounts of new support for Obama.

Interesting choice of words. Why is it propaganda when a Democrat offers facts and when Republicans offer true propaganda it is considered fact?

I think this is an admission of guilt on your part. You know what YOU do so you assume others like you will do the same thing. This is straight forward projection, pure and simple.

Thank you for this gift and your admission of guilt.

Nietherman,

Remember there is a significant number of African-Americans in the military that will vote for Obama purely for racial reasons!

Why are you playing the race card here? Can you explain what you mean by racial reasons?

Remember there is a significant number of African-Americans in the military that will vote for Obama purely for racial reasons!

Contributions from 2991 military personnel out of what, 300,000 +/- ? That’s not much to hang any hat on.

I hate to bring this up, but a substantial number of our fighting forces are in fact monority. That has to be factored into contribution patterns as well.

And, why would anyone be surprised that people in combat would favor the candidate who says “Bring ‘em home now”?

Union troops favored McClellan’s plan to stop the war over Lincoln’s candidacy by huge numbers during that presidential race.

Proof should point out the missing comma.

Unless I missed it, no one as suggested yet that maybe the reason soldiers MIGHT prefer Obama is the same reason as a large percentage of the rest of the country…GWB is not a well liked man, and that is hurting MC and the GOP. Its party affiliation…maybe they see MC as another GWB, and maybe they dont like GWB and what the GOP has been for the last few years. At least Obama SAYS he will bring them home. Might not be true, but he is telling them what they want to hear, and the GOP is not. A soldier should have faith in his leadership, and I doubt if that is the case with GWB and the military rank and file.

hannitized: Take a breath…

Our troops are not stupid and they’re not cowards. But they are politically oriented in much the same manner that the folks [ you and me] back home are.

Minorities will tend to support Obama because he is one, and minorities – rightly or wrongly – do not believe the GOP cares about their interests.

The official position of the military and the personal opinions of boots on the ground are often at wide variance; no surprise there.

“Your side”: while I’m not sure I know exactly what you mean by that, I can tell you this: I tend to form my views based on fact, dialogue and results, rather than politicial or ideological loyalties.

I don’t think I have a ‘side’. As you may have observed right here on on SAB, I am routinely bashed by the right and the left – like you just did.

So where was McCain “I’m republican and support troops” on the latest GI bill vote?

Oh.

Absent. Hm.

I hate to say it

was my acknowledgement that I would inevitably be called a racist for pointing out the obvious.

Right. And they attacked you anyway. Trying to be nice just doesn’t work with ideologically-driven people, IMO.

PP,

Minorities will tend to support Obama because he is one, and minorities – rightly or wrongly – do not believe the GOP cares about their interests.

I don’t agree with your conclusion. First, what you are doing is dismissing a “minorities” judgement as being based sheerly on their race, that is wrong. Second, you attribute at least some percentage as making judgement about Obama based on racial lines and that factor being the driver for understanding some unfairness, (or something) instead of his ideas. That is also wrong. Finally, you didn’t explain or discuss the fact that many minorities vote for Republicans.

What you are essentially saying is that the minorities who vote for Obama do so because they aren’t smart enough to make a rational sound choice based on sound judgement….except those who vote for McCain I would imagine.

In short, you are wrong, wrong wrong and you are walking a fine line here. A line of racial superiority.

Can you with a straight face tell me that whites vote for McCain because they feel he represents “white” interests?

The official position of the military and the personal opinions of boots on the ground are often at wide variance; no surprise there.

Ok, fair enough.

“Your side”: while I’m not sure I know exactly what you mean by that, I can tell you this: I tend to form my views based on fact, dialogue and results, rather than politicial or ideological loyalties.

Ok, I will accept your explanation as your truth. I would like to see some more crossover from you. I have a lot of conservative views, I haven’t seen too many of your liberal views expressed.

This sounds like the same type of logic you are using to determine what you did about minorities. You don’t seem to recognize that a lot of your positions ARE ideologies. Just as some of mine are.

pp: You’re offering a factual and logical argument to someone who tried to invalidate you by assassinating your character.
Welcome to the club!

“There are plenty of white people who refuse to vote for Obama because they don’t want a black man in the white house, why is it so hard to believe that a minority would chose to vote in another minority, based on race? ”
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I clearly remember exit polling data reported that concluded that 90% of blacks voted for obama.
It’s been known that blacks tend to block vote, one which bill clinton sought.
Is that considered racist?
Or is it only one of the lefty screeching points if a non-black has a preference?

I doubt very much that McCain expected any support from the left or the MSM. His positions do not fit with their world-view.

As you know, I thoroughly disagree with both those statements, and have given many reasons for that disagreement.

As far as H making a good argument “once in a blue moon”, I think that is a gross exaggeration.

PP on the other hand, I respect. You can’t hold a candle to him.

So, you bash the guy up and down, then try to kiss his ass? Schizo much?

Hannitized:

minorities would vote for Obama because he is one. That is wrong…

H: Why is that wrong? How do you KNOW it is wrong? Did my statement somehow sound like an insult hurled at minorities?

Robert,

You are a fool. I didn’t in one instance question his competency, only the content of his comments.

Asking a question is an open opportunity to explain himself. No accusation was made by me. What you imagine is all in your head.

You on the other-hand offer true insults and with you, I respond in kind. Sorry, but you come across as an idiot and I think you are dumb as a rock.

PP,

I don’t agree with your conclusion. First, what you are doing is dismissing a “minorities” judgement as being based sheerly on their race, that is wrong. Second, you attribute at least some percentage as making judgement about Obama based on racial lines and that factor being the driver for understanding some unfairness, (or something) instead of his ideas. That is also wrong. Finally, you didn’t explain or discuss the fact that many minorities vote for Republicans.

What you are essentially saying is that the minorities who vote for Obama do so because they aren’t smart enough to make a rational sound choice based on sound judgement….except those who vote for McCain I would imagine.

In short, you are wrong, wrong wrong and you are walking a fine line here. A line of racial superiority.

Can you with a straight face tell me that whites vote for McCain because they feel he represents “white” interests?

And PP…your buddy Robert is babbling like an electric robot that fell into a swimming pool.

I cant see a single coherent message from that moron. You should pick your supporters more carefully. He is reflecting poorly on you.

Break it down and the average donation was $300 +/- $20.

That’s a big chunk of a soldiers pay check. I’d like to see a spread sheet of the rank and locations of these donars.

I suspect many of them are not deployed in the middle east.

Robert,

Allow PP to answer for himself. And if you think you are capable, and let me assure you that you are not, why do you think he said “I hate to say it……but”?

I will tell you why. Because he knows he said something with a negative connotation. And your idiot ass is harassing me because I questioned him. You confuse the guilt he attributed to his own statement on me.

That is the sort of jacked up on stupidity sort of guy you are.

Oh, and P.S, the woman commissioned by the Democratic Party to direct its presidential nominating convention in two weeks espouses the same black liberation theology pursued by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose church’s presumptive nominee Barack Obama was forced to leave because of its controversies.

Those included Wright’s condemnation of America and a vicious attack on Hillary Clinton from the pulpit and only then did the Obama campaign announced the candidates resignation of his 20-year membership/internship in the church.

Now, the woman commissioned by the Democratic Party to direct its presidential nominating convention, Rev. Leah Daughtry, proudly embraces “black liberation theology” beliefs such as the “debt” the U.S. “owes” all blacks for slavery. [reparations]

Judi McLeod, a former Toronto Sun columnist, opined it will be “Rev. Jeremiah Wright in a skirt” as Daughtry leads the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

The congregation in which Daughtry was raised — the House of the Lord Church in Brooklyn, N.Y., has “Below the sanctuary, in the fellowship hall, a banner for slavery reparations proclaimed, ‘They Owe Us.’

Some would say with Marxist Momma in the top job, it’s little wonder why Barack Obama is the DNC’s Golden Boy coming to Denver with mainstream media garnered rock star status.

Maybe, but the Dem politicians and presidents haven’t been MINORITIES. So PParets argument is lost on that simple fact.

No, it’s not. Only in your racist leftie mind is race a qualification for political office. Trying to twist my words isn’t any sort of counter-argument here. We’re still waiting for anything resembling a factual argument from you.

“If PP’s argument is they are voting for Obama because they believe he understands their interests,……and pay attention here…….THAT IS A VALID REASON…”
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But what if they believe he understands their interests…. because he is most like them & only those like tham can understand them?

Ninety percent of blacks vote Dem.

Maybe, but the Dem politicians and presidents haven’t been MINORITIES. So PParets argument is lost on that simple fact.

What PP suggested was that minorities would vote for Obama because he is one. That is wrong and it forces one to question anyone who would say such a thing.

Many blacks will vote for Obama for racial reasons, when they wouldn’t vote for a similarly qualified(or non-qualified) white Dem candidate.

How many and for what racial reason? You made the claim, YOU EXPLAIN IT.

The minorities who vote Republican, especially those who become conservative, are routinely savaged by you lefties.

Savaged? Are you insane?

Your racism is obvious.

You see. You are the only one calling people racist here. Your statements and your reactions demonstrate which one of us is making prejudgement’s based on race. That is YOU my friend…and you just proved it by stating that blacks will vote for blacks for racial reasons without having evidence or an explanation.

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Dems routinely accuse Republicans and conservatives of being racist, which is what gets out the black vote for them. Being successful with that lie, they continue to use it,

Anyone who says that blacks vote for Obama simply because his is black, IS prejudiced that prejudice is based on race.

If PP’s argument is they are voting for Obama because they believe he understands their interests,……and pay attention here…….THAT IS A VALID REASON. To dismiss it as simply they are voting for him because he is also a minority is just stupid racial superiority nonsense.

I cant see a single coherent message from that moron.

That’s because you have a very serious comprehension problem. You keep mistaking that DK propaganda in your head for reality.
Your assertion about my being a “supporter” of pp shows your absolute ignorance. He and I have had many heated battles, but he’s right on this one, and you have yet to do anything besides try to attack him personally and to try to assassinate his character.

I support the truth, which generally leaves you out, H.

PP:

H: Why is that wrong? How do you KNOW it is wrong?

Did you read the previous comments. According to your friend, Robert;

Ninety percent of blacks vote Dem.

So if 90% of blacks vote Dem and dem politicians haven’t been minorities, then it proves my point. They vote DEM anyway.

Did my statement somehow sound like an insult hurled at minorities?

Of course it did, otherwise, why would you say “I HATE TO SAY IT…BUT”??

…But what if they believe he understands their interests…. because he is most like them & only those like tham can understand them?

Reb,

Well, the fact that 90% of blacks have been voting for white dem candidates for over 50 years sort of immunizes the poison you are spewing, doesn’t it?

Do you think whites are voting for McCain because he is most like them & only those like them can understand them?

rac·ism Audio Help (rā’sÄ­z’É™m) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

In other words, Obama’s black liberation theology.
Thanks, H!

Anyone who says that blacks vote for Obama simply because his is black, IS prejudiced that prejudice is based on race.

Wrong. Some do, and that’s a fact; it’s not “prejucice” to report a fact, even though you Stalinist lefties would like to make it so.

So you are wrong on this one too.

I’m right, as usual, and you don’t have the stones to admit it.

PP:

For the record I never labeled you a racist. Your remark was insulting to their intelligence and it sounds and looks like racial superiority, unless you can demonstrate non-minorities do the same thing.

You have been questioned on why you said what you said and you ignored the meat of the argument that would demonstrate that you have the same view or opinion of the non-minorities and how they make their choice to vote.

In regards to Robert, you accepted his argument on behalf of your defense. And all the while he has been shooting himself in the foot, he simultaneously shot your argument through the heart.

It seems that you were willing to accept his defense of you when it was convenient and they you ignored his arguments that were weak and sit back and let me take all the heat on his warped view points.

I don’t appreciate that either. So why don’t we make an agreement to fight our own battles and if we are going to accept the arguments of others as a defense, then we should also condemn their viewpoints where we disagree. Deal?

That would be my recommendation on how to avoid that association.

But keeping to the argument, how do you explain that 90% of blacks voting for Dems prior to Obamas arrival? That contradicts your argument as if they are already voting for Dems, then they certainly aren’t simply voting because he is a minority, like them.

H: You disappoint me, in as much as I have laid out all the pertinent information for you several times, after you first demanded an answer.

BTW: That’s Alan Keyes.

Left that party? Bad word choice. They were probably not ever a part of the party. Your argument suggests 100% of blacks are dems, before they left.

This is insanity.

Reb,

Wasn’t that the primaries?

Yes, you were right. I got them confused. How did I do that?

I gave the 90% figure several days ago. It was widely reported during the voting.

I have some news for you Reb…the black vote has always been 90% for Dems (see below)

1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%

You have no signifigant argument when the SAME UNCHANGED percentage of blacks votes for Obama.

Of anything that has an option, I have a preference. So does everyone else. It’s human nature.

What preference and bias do you have as it relates to this topic?

I think the problem comes in when that pre-bias, or prejudice, blinds a person to actualities.

Please elaborate.

Reb,

THis is the first arab/african/American to get this far.

It IS a fact that 90% of blacks polled claimed to have voted for obama in the primary.

You meant general election. The primary hasn’t happened yet.

Also, Roberts statistic was talking about the historical figures, not the present figures. Take it up with Robert.

H: In an orgy of stupidity, you continue to attack, and have yet to present any facts to support your bullshit.
You are truly pathetic!

Are you predicting now Robert?

Obviously, since I gave an opinion about something that hasn’t happened yet. Duh.

And no, a prediction is not the same as prejudice.
Let me ‘splain it to you, sonny: pre dict means to “say before”; the root is the same as that for dictation.
pre judice, on the other hand, is “judge before”; the root is the same as that for judicial. Now, if you are really that stupid, to think that speaking is the same as judging, nothing will save you, moron.

B1,

Your “fact” that black voters historically vote Democrat is meaningless since we are talking about only black registered Democrats in the first place.

Quite simply you are ignorant of the facts or you are lying. I can’t do more for you than lead your horse to water, but nevertheless, here you go.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-19-kerry-black-vote_x.htm

The percentages I provided were numbers from REGISTERED BLACK VOTERS. That is just not Democrats my friend.

I am out……good night.

Joel,

Please don’t ask him personal questions! He’ll take up half the damn bandwidth patting himself on the bak in reply!

PP,

I have a lot of respect for you as a person who wants real debate. But you have not answered all of my questions.

I am not about to let you pat Robert on the back for “being right” on this one if you are going to ignore my questions and can not produce facts that support your statements.

You declared me wrong and asked me to provide evidence:

H: Why is that wrong? How do you KNOW it is wrong? Did my statement somehow sound like an insult hurled at minorities?

I answered your question by providing facts that 90% of blacks vote for Dems anyway. So where is YOUR facts that allow YOU to say I am wrong? How do you KNOW I am wrong if you say Robert is right?

links:

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/barack_obama_on_the_white_mans_greed/

Maybe we should listen to 20 years worth of sermons from Jeremiah “God Damn the US of KKKA America” Wright before we comment on his racist, America hating rants, too? – Proof Positive

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Funny, I have read all of BHO’s published words now, and divisive and racist are certainly terms that come first to mind. - 2hotel

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It must be hard to paint over the ugly history of your racist candidate. At least we know without a shadow of a doubt where you stand on such moral issues. -lickingshoes

Tiny-seized sounds like the typical college punk from a liberal school who’s been brainwashed by his Marxists professors…… He/She offers nothing but fluff…from this point on, I will refer to Hannitized as “FLUFFY.”

Fluffy, there are two books currently available for you to read : hopefully it’ll help educate you:

The Obama Nation-Leftist Politics and The Cult Of Personality-by Jerome R Corsi, currently number one on the NYT Bestsellers List

Corsi, of Unfit For Commandfame, is getting [excoriated] by Obama’s campaign and his main stream media disciples.

They are attempting to discredit this book because of Corsi’s help in the Swift Boat vet’s book-Unfit For Command [John Kerry]. His book has over three hundred footnotes documenting international, National & Chicago newspaper articles, Wright’s Books, Cone’s Books, Obama’s book, Obama’s speeches & much much more……

There are some mistakes in it but it’s 95% accurate…

The second book is The Case Against Barak Obama-The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda Of The Media’s Favorite Candidate-by David Freddoso

It covers the same territory as Corsi’s but You don’t hear a word about it from the messiah’s campaign.

Carrick,

Are you trying to be smart?

There is no “effected” in common, correct English usage.

Mind pointing me to where anyone used the word “EFFECTED” and not “affected”???

One is “affected”. The consequence of being “affected” is an effect.

That is exactly what I said and you just supported my position you idiot.

Quite simply you are ignorant of the facts or you are lying.

Lying? About what? Where’s the lie? My God, you really are a simpleton. You couldn’t think your way out of a walk-in closet!

The percentages I provided were numbers from REGISTERED BLACK VOTERS.

Which simply proves my point!

Damn! How willfully obtuse can one individual get?

H,

Your argument is specious nonsense. Your “fact” that black voters historically vote Democrat is meaningless since we are talking about only black registered Democrats in the first place.

Black voters have never had the opportunity to vote for a black major party nominee before. But during this past primary season, given a choice between an experienced white candidate (Hillary) and a neophyte black candidate (Obama), black Democrats overwhelmingly supported Obama. Given that the two candidates’ stand on issues was virtually identical, there is no other reason for Obama’s success among black Democrat voters other than racial identity.

He be da one!

. Black conservatives such as Clarence Thomas are routinely insulted in the most degrading and even racist ways by leftists.

Ken,

Your argument doesn’t prove causation.

Barack Obama was degraded just as bad from the left. So why doesn’t he flip?

This isn’t even an argument, it is a whiny and wild theory. They left the party because they have different views.

But you ignore the fact that 90% of blacks have been voting for white democrats for decades.

Only because the white Dems don’t really come through for the loyalty shown to them by the suckers. You aren’t intelligent enough to properly evaluate what’s right in front of you, fool.

The fact that they could believe he might be better at
understanding their challenges is a perfectly legitimate reason.

“understanding their challenges“? What “challenges”, the ones that the race hustlers say come from living in “white America”? That’s just code for “he’s black, I’m black, so I’ll vote for him.” You just blew any possible point you might have had, although you never did have one.

Actually, what should have said was this:

You are pre-judging the people on their character, by race, predicting their behavior without any reason or knowledge beforehand.

So again, you did both. You prejudged peoples character while you predicted the results of that behavior you expect them to exhibit for racial reasons.

“You have no signifigant argument when the SAME UNCHANGED percentage of blacks votes for Obama.”
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Only that this option hasn’t been available to them in the past.
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.The pre-bias I mean is like the obama-trons that seem mechanically following without question.

Note that you still have not demonstrated why you feel that minorities will vote for a minority, even though HISTORY SHOWS 90% of them DONT VOTE FOR MINORITIES.

Look, simpleton; they would vote for a black candidate if they could, and they now have a chance, so they are voting on a racial basis, along with the usual belief in Dem propaganda that they will “overcome” some day. Are you really so simple that you don’t realize you make our argument every time you recite your little mantra?

Remember there is a significant number of African-Americans in the military that will vote for Obama purely for racial reasons!
Rob

This is exactly correct !

Why are you playing the race card here? Can you explain what you mean by racial reasons?….

it sort of immunizes the poison you are spewing, doesn’t it?”
Hannitized on August 14, 2008 at 10:40 am

It’s Obama’s poison from his own lips and from his wife, his pastor and surrogate father,Jerry Wright, his lifelong friend, the academy award winning Father Flager, and thugs like Ludacris….and it was and is Obama who played and plays the race card repeatedly and without provocation.

I gave you an example of Obama’s poison [which he was immersed in for twenty years at Trinity] from the writings of James Cone; the godfather of black liberation theology [regularly cited by Rev Wright] as an example of the sick roots of that radical racial philosophy that pits blacks against whites by characterizing “all” blacks as victims of white oppressors and that’s used by Wright/Obama very effectively to unite blacks in solidarity against a “common enemy.”

The white God is an idol, created by the racist bastards, and we black people must perform the iconoclastic task of smashing their false images.

— James Cone, “A Black Theology of Liberation “

Black Liberation Theology is but one thing: a perversion of Christianity intended by design to woo blacks from faith and toward Marxist thought.

This is why Obama got over 90% of the vote in the “PRIMARIES.”….all based solely on his race…i.e….because he’s black….with absolutely no thought being given to his twenty year racist/Marxist….internship at Trinity and his political upbringing in the corrupt Hyde Park political machine….which, by the way, is the epicenter of the “reparations” movement.

Blacks vote for Obama in overwhelming numbers because they have been incited and provoked into it. They have an attitude of entitlement because they have been brainwashed into believing in their own victim-hood by all the other poverty pimps.

An equivalent comparison would be the black mentality that acquitted the murdering thug, O.J. Simpson.

I hate to say it

was my acknowledgement that I would inevitably be called a racist for pointing out the obvious.

H: I have never accused you of being anyone’s ‘buddy’. I don’t indulge in that kind of crap and would appreciate it if you didn’t either – at least where I am concerned.

Reforming the judicial system is crucial at a time when minorities account for a disproportionate number of prison inmates, …..

To quickly renew the spirit of the Black community.
Hannitized on August 16, 2008 at 06:46 am

What a fucking dim-witted brainwashed asshole !

More education for Fluffy regarding her last comment:

Since the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the advent of the Great Society in 1965, “trillions” [that's thousands of billions Fluffy] of dollars in transfer payments have been made to blacks in the form of welfare benefits and racial preferences (in contracts, job placements, and educational admissions)-all under the rationale of redressing historic racial grievances.

It’s said that reparations are necessary to achieve healing between blacks and other Americans.

If trillion-dollar restitutions and wholesale rewriting of American Law (in order to accommodate racial preferences) is not enough to achieve “healing,” what is?

Hannitized: Yes, on this point perhaps Proof is ignorant of proper grammar, which criticism will help her improve in the future; but you on the other are supporting Obama, so I believe the title “idiot” would more properly be awarded to you!

Carrick,

Your idiot savant is confusing the word effect, the verb, with effect, the noun.

You guys are hilarious.

Hannitized

^ worked his way through college as a fluffer in animal pron, and was damned good, nay, the best in the industry until the unfortunate accident with the badger.

You, on the other hand, may effect a change in your life by going back to school and finishing the third grade. (Try paying attention this time!)

That is one use..

4. When a noun is required, the word is almost always “effect.” This means “a result.“”The effect of diligent study habits is better learning.” “The effect of making the correct choice is a better grade.” (Do you sense a theme here?)

That is the more correct use..

This is how you use it…wrongly.

3.The occasional need for “effect” as a verb arises when the narrow meaning “to cause or to bring about” is appropriate. These rare occasions often occur in some form of the expression “to effect a change” or, in police jargon, “to effect an arrest” (to cause or make an arrest happen). Nevertheless, it’s still best to avoid, particularly in the last example because it’s simply police jargon, and it’s good to avoid jargon.

“Well, the fact that 90% of blacks have been voting for white dem candidates for over 50 years sort of immunizes the poison you are spewing, doesn’t it?”
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Dunno!
THis is the first arab/african/American to get this far.
It IS a fact that 90% of blacks polled claimed to have voted for obama in the primary.

What effect did this debate have on the subject? This debate will affect everyone differently.

Heh!

I think Carrick was affected in a way that would require tissues. The effect of his efforts resulted in confusing people about what the word effect (the verb) means vs. what the word “effect” (the noun) means.

Here is something that could help.

http://web.ku.edu/~edit/affect.html

Best advise yet:

It’s easy to get caught up in a debate about the subtle shades of meaning for the words “affect” and “effect.” Such debates waste time and energy.

But “affect” is almost always a verb, whereas “effect” is more commonly used as a noun than it is as a verb. “Affect” as a noun is almost entirely reserved for psychological jargon. Its use as a noun by a journalist is an affectation.

A quick & easy guide

to “affect” and “effect”

It’s easy to get caught up in a debate about the subtle shades of meaning for the words “affect” and “effect.” Such debates waste time and energy. So it is useful to sharpen your understanding so that with a minimum of thought you can make a good editing decision when you encounter one of these words. The following thoughts are intended to help equip you for such.

1. Determine if the usage calls for a verb or a noun.

2. If a verb is needed, 95 percent of the time or more the word you want is “affect.” It means to change or to alter. “The weather affects our moods.” “Nutrition affects health.” “The seasons affect trees and flowers.” “The quality of your work affects your grade”

3.The occasional need for “effect” as a verb arises when the narrow meaning “to cause or to bring about” is appropriate. These rare occasions often occur in some form of the expression “to effect a change” or, in police jargon, “to effect an arrest” (to cause or make an arrest happen). Nevertheless, it’s still best to avoid, particularly in the last example because it’s simply police jargon, and it’s good to avoid jargon.

4. When a noun is required, the word is almost always “effect.” This means “a result.”"The effect of diligent study habits is better learning.” “The effect of making the correct choice is a better grade.” (Do you sense a theme here?)

5. “Affect” can be a noun, but its use is almost entirely reserved for psychological jargon. You could have a long career as a writer and editor and never encounter the need for the noun “affect.”

6. So be ready to make almost all verbs “affect.”

7. And be ready to make virtually all nouns “effect.”

McCain is the best moderate Democrat we have had in years.

Good one! I have to admit you are right on that one!

Affect
In order to understand the correct situation in which to use the word affect or effect, the first thing one must do is have a clear understanding of what each word means. According to yourDictionary.com, the word
Affect means:

To have an influence on or effect a change in: Inflation affects the buying power of the dollar.
To act on the emotions of; touch or move.
To attack or infect, as a disease: Rheumatic fever can affect the heart.

Effect
The word effect has a different meaning. Here is the meaning according to yourDictionary.com:

Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result.
The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: The drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government’s action had no effect on the trade imbalance.

A scientific law, hypothesis, or phenomenon: the photovoltaic effect.
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Advantage; avail: used her words to great effect in influencing the jury.

The condition of being in full force or execution: a new regulation that goes into effect tomorrow.

Something that produces a specific impression or supports a general design or intention: The lighting effects emphasized the harsh atmosphere of the drama.
A particular impression: large windows that gave an effect of spaciousness.
Production of a desired impression: spent lavishly on dinner just for effect.

The basic or general meaning; import: He said he was greatly worried, or words to that effect.
Grammar Rules for Affect and EffectNow that we have the two definitions, how do we know which word to use? Here are a few suggestions to keep in mind:

1. If you are talking about a result, then use the word “effect.”

Example: What effect did the loss have on the team?

2. It is appropriate to use the word “effect” if one of these words is used immediately before the word: into, no, take, the, any, an, or and.

Example: The prescribed medication had no effect on the patient’s symptoms.

Example: In analyzing a situation, it is important to take the concepts of cause and effect into consideration.

3. If you want to describe something that was caused or brought about, the right word to use is effect.

Example: The new manager effected some positive changes in the office. (This means that the new manager caused some positive changes to take place in the office.)

4. Affect can be used as a noun to describe facial expression.

Example: The young man with schizophrenia had a flat affect.

Example: The woman took the news of her husband’s sudden death with little affect.

5. Affect can also be used as a verb. Use it when trying to describe influencing someone or something rather than causing it.

Example: How does the crime rate affect hiring levels by local police forces?

Example: The weather conditions will affect the number of people who come to the county fair this year.

What effect did this debate have on the subject? This debate will affect everyone differently.

Dumbass Carrick,

You looked up the word “effected” and referenced EFFECt THE TRANSITIONAL VERB! You idiot!

I was using effect the NOUN in a sentence!!!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/effect

ef·fect
–noun
1. something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence: Exposure to the sun had the effect of toughening his skin.

So the consequence of Obama attending Wright’s church and being affected resulted in what effect??? What fucking effect you idiots?

Hannitized ,what grade are you in ?

How old are these numbers? These look like early primary numbers

I meant advice.

electnixon: Boingggg!! GOOD POINT!!

“understanding their challenges”? What “challenges”,

What challenges? Surely you jest!

Here are a few to chew on:

Republicans who accuse blacks of wanting affirmative action, even though they might not actually want it.

Republicans who accuse black of lacking personal responsibility when it comes to education (HI Rob and your precious North Dakota education system failures)

Republicans who call blacks racist for everything under the sun, including being upset and bitter about the historic institutional racism that ran rampant throughout our history and speaking about it.

To increase their capital accumulation and to control a larger share of the economic institutions in our community.

To increase their share of the economic institutions of America.

To increase their presence at the top level of management of all American economic institutions, including those in sports and entertainment.

To deal substantively with the widening gap between the Black haves and the Black have-nots, as well as the gap between the Black haves and have-nots and the White haves and have-nots.

To stop the continuing flow of drugs into our communities.

To increase their employment in entry-level jobs that require little or no training.

To reverse the economic decline of Blacks who are the most economically disadvantaged.

To rebuild the structures of the Black family, which was battered by economic and racist forces in the 20th century.

To increase their skill level and our participation in the skilled trades and the technological revolution. “their participation in the technological revolution may be the biggest challenge we face,” says Dr. Walter E. Massey, president of Morehouse College. ”

To once again make education a No. 1 imperative in all Black homes. So much of our future as African-Americans is interconnected, Massey says. “It’s hard to achieve any of these without the other. But it’s impossible to achieve any of them unless we have an educated Black society,” says Massey, who became president of the historically Black college in Atlanta in 1995. “And it would be very difficult, maybe not impossible, to substantively improve education across the board, unless it starts in the homes.”

To deal substantively with the widening gap–economic and emotional–between Black men and Black women.

To rebuild the institutional structures of the Black community by dealing substantively with the sharp drop in the participation level of young Blacks in all traditional Black institutions.

To rebuild the institutional structures of the Black community by dealing substantively with drugs and unemployment and making it safe once again to walk, talk and visit in our communities.

To deal with institutional racism and to protect and build on the gains won by the great leaders of the 20th century. This is a battle we can’t afford to lose, Price says. “We must continue to fight all vestiges of racism, whether it’s in business lending, police profiling, home mortgage lending, hate crimes or the efforts to repeal affirmative action.”

To provide affordable health care for the 41 million Americans who are uninsured.

To support Black institutions and businesses, including Black media.

To develop win-win and strategies partnerships with communities of other colors.
To increase voting participation at all levels, from school board referendums to the presidential election in November. Smith says that some Blacks seem to have forgotten the power of the vote and what it took to secure it. “Those of us who are this age, who actually saw people die, we saw them die, in order that we could all vote, still have that passion,” Smith says. “We need to be voting on everything. And until the day we do, to me, it’s really a disrespect for those who gave their lives or battled in the street so that we could vote.”

To provide affordable housing for all.

To reform the judicial and penal systems by eliminating mandatory minimum sentencing, decreasing the disparities in penalties for drug convictions and making the court system reflect the broader society.

Reforming the judicial system is crucial at a time when minorities account for a disproportionate number of prison inmates, says Congressional Black Caucus Chairman James Clyburn of South Carolina. “A paramount concern is the makeup of various aspects of the judicial system,” Clyburn says. “The principles of equal justice under the law and judgment by one’s peers is seriously impaired when the makeup of the courts does not reflect the composition of the population upon whom judgments are made.”

To quickly renew the spirit of the Black community.

Carrick,

This type of argument is very typical when it comes to using those two words. There is room for understanding that some will be confused, and that means all of us.

But Proof was the one who threw the tizzy. I just defended myself.

Yes, I was confused at some point in time myself, but I used the words correctly.

Poof,

Give me one quote, one citation, one single link where I said Obama was a racist.
You can’t do it, you lying, ignorant scumbag piece of dog excrement, because it isn’t there!

Here you are my friend:

[

quote] Is Obama expected to know every sentence, and ever word Wright uttered in ever sermon for the number of years he belonged to that church, yes or no? – Hannitized

What a fatuous child! Did Robert KKK Byrd know every word of every speech he heard while he was in the KKK? What a ridiculous and absurd argument! – Proof

And

I pointed out what a ridiculous argument that was, as a person can be a member of an organization and in total sympathy with it without knowing “every sentence, and ever word” its leaders utter. I used the example of Robert KKK Byrd, because, undoubtedly he did not know “every sentence, and ever word” ever uttered a Klan rallies, but he was still a member in good standing. - Proof

So there you are very clearly implying Obama is a racist, as was Robert Byrd.

And.

We’re comparing the whackadoo, racially divisive, hate speech that his long time “spiritual advisor” spewed and that Obama himself has finally repudiated (now that it is politically expedient). The question is, how much of that hate speech did Obama buy into over the last twenty years? – Proof

It wasn’t that hard kid.

Poofy,

You are going down a rat hole that I have been waiting for you to go down for a long time.

Where do I call Obama a racist?

In one quote I asked a question: How much hate speech did Obama buy into? That my young barbarian moron is a question, not a statement that he is a racist.

Here are your questions, since you asked for them:

Is Obama absolved of all racial hatred for going to the Trinity Church for 20 years?

So, how much hate do you think Obama bought into?

What is the point of bringing up that Obama went to a racist church for 20 years?

Is it possible that Obama did not buy into the racism, yes or no?

And whatever I may have “implied”, you, the dishonest lying troll, said that I called Obama a racist, and you are clearly unable to find a place where I did, so you are moving the goalposts to something I may have implied in some way shape or form.

Implying someone is a racist is the same as calling them a racist Poofy. I can’t help you any more than that.

So are you saying that you were lying when you made the argument that Robert Byrd was sympathetic to the KKK, and therefore Obama is sympathetic to the Trinity churches racism?

Are you going to come out now and admit that Obama could not be racist for going to the Trinity church for 20 years, yes or no? ‘

Are you going to clear his name now, once and for all?

Proof implies Obama is a racist, but he claims it is differen’t than calling him a racist.

Hmmm? Let’s just see what the dictionary says about that!

Implied:

involved, indicated, or suggested without being directly or explicitly stated; tacitly understood: an implied rebuke; an implied compliment.

Yeah, you said it pal. Your hiding behind implications is what I expect from cowards like you.

The onus is on Obama to prove that he was not affected by Jeremiah “God Damn America and the US of KKK A” Wright,

“Effected” in what way? Please elaborate on what effect you are talking about!

I’m still waiting. The rest of your bullshit is just a smoke screen to hide the fact that once again, you shot off your mouth, lied through your fecal stained teeth and spread you meconium slime trail through another thread, without a single fact to back you up!

Here you go Poof, right off of SAB’s front page today. Compliments of BAT!

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_democrat_racism/

As I said and now just proved. Republicans call Democrats and blacks racists for anything under the sun.

And I don’t know what alternate universe you live in where you claim you aske something twice, when you only asked it once.

Here is the first time you asked it, but you write as if it was the second time. Crazed, you are.

In case you missed that word, or your ADD has kicked in again, let me repeat: LIAR!
Give me one quote, one citation, one single link where I said Obama was a racist.

And then I provide quotes where you implied Obama was a racist and you hide. What a typical response from a no talent hack.

H: Your complete lack of any type of factual rebuttal to my argument is noted. As usual, you are reduced to your usual teenage attempts at personal attack.

The semi-literate troll calls somebody dumber than dumb?

One is “affected”. The consequence of being “affected” is an effect.

look it up genius:

Effect and affect are often confused because of their similar spelling and pronunciation. The verb 2affect usually has to do with pretense she affected a cheery disposition despite feeling down>. The more common 3affect denotes having an effect or influence the weather affected everyone’s mood. The verb effect goes beyond mere influence; it refers to actual achievement of a final result the new administration hopes to effect a peace settlement. The uncommon noun affect, which has a meaning relating to psychology, is also sometimes mistakenly used for the very common effect. In ordinary use, the noun you will want is effect waiting for the new law to take effect the weather had an effect on everyone’s mood.

There is no “effected” in common, correct English usage.

Yes 108, some do.
But that’s not what the quote you highlighted says.

So you are wrong on this one too.

To provide affordable housing for all.

Ah, the mommy/daddy welfare State! That is the real “challenge” for blacks: to rise above the infantilization imposed on them by the racist Dem Party, and to take responsibility for their own achievements in life.

Well….I meant the last voting that was between obama & hillary.
Wasn’t that the primaries?
I gave the 90% figure several days ago.
It was widely reported during the voting.

Down to the nut cuttin’, I think everyone is biased in one way or another.
I have a favorite horse and a favorite car.
Heck! I even have a favorite ex-Wife!
Of anything that has an option, I have a preference. So does everyone else. It’s human nature.
I think the problem comes in when that pre-bias, or prejudice, blinds a person to actualities.

You are about as sharp as a bowling ball.

And a MENSA candidate compared to you!

Implying someone is a racist is the same as calling them a racist Poofy.

Please! Not even YOU could be that stupid! Could you? I said that Obama attended a church for twenty years that preached racism. In your fever swamp of a mind, that translates to e calling him a racist? I think it certainly raises questions about his judgment, but I never went so far as to call him a racist. There wasn’t enough proof.

However, there is ample proof that YOU are a dishonest troll. Mind-numbingly dishonest and mind-numbingly stupid.

And when you are proven to be full of crap, you change the question.

Are you going to clear his name now, once and for all?

What a bunch of horse hockey! The onus is on Obama to prove that he was not affected by Jeremiah “God Damn America and the US of KKK A” Wright, not on me, dishonest troll. But nice try!

Have you ever come to a thread you didn’t try to hijack?

Or ever not run from a thread after you have your ass handed to you?

Or ever made sense? (I know! I expect a lot!)

I am looking forward to your genius explanation on the relation between the two separate arguments.

That’s an easy one; the dysfunctional Dem socialist welfare state breeds crime. Adults who are treated like dependent children resent it, and that plays out as antisocial behavior.
When you don’t have to earn your money, but get it by having it taken away from those who do earn it, you have no responsibility for your life, and less connection to society at large, thus the tendency to criminal behavior. Duh.

Republicans who call blacks racist for everything under the sun,

Wow! When this moron gets wound up, there’s no stopping the baseless, mindless slurs he can come up with!
You wouldn’t want to provide some evidence for your scurrilous accusations? Links? I thought not! Merely the mouthings of an immature, lying troll!

Go play in traffic! Come back when you want to have a reasonable discussion, and not accuse Republicans mindlessly of doing “everything under the sun”. What a maroon!

“Republican” is apparently a catch-all bogey man to the immature mind of Hannitized. He projects his own faults and shortcomings onto them as a defense mechanism.
(He was probably frightened by the prospect of having to get a job and take responsibility for himself and he’s never gotten over the experience!)

PP,

You like to act like you are expecting an argument from me. And when you get one, you run away.

This has lowered my expectations of you and please don’t be arrogant enough to make ludicrous statements that I make a good argument once in a blue moon again. You had a real challenge here and you dodged it because you knew you had nothing. Nothing except your loony bird friend Robert to obfuscate what could have been and interesting debate.

To any nameless, illiterate and dishonest trolls to whom this may concern: Obama may have been affected by his twenty year membership in the congregation of Jeremiah “God Damn America, US of KKK A” Wright. The extent to which he was affected is not yet fully known.
You, on the other hand, may effect a change in your life by going back to school and finishing the third grade. (Try paying attention this time!)

Now, go play in traffic!

……Mind telling me what that has to do with the paragraph you quoted? …….Republicans who call blacks racist for everything under the sun, including being upset and bitter about the historic institutional racism that ran rampant throughout our history and speaking about it…….To support Black institutions and businesses, including Black media.
Hannitized, A.K.A. Fluffy

It’s a response to the “entire” bullshit comment you made dumb-ass. Try to connect the dots…it’s not that hard.

The little bitch is running scared…..and continues to ignore the truth….by ducking & dodging with comments like:

Joel-sixpack,

Way to leave the italics HTML code open, genius!
Hannitized on August 16, 2008 at 06:29 am

Yes. You are judging the people by race on their behavior without any reason or knowledge.

Your ignorance, racism and stupidity know no bounds. I have already refuted that one.

No you haven’t. What you have done is dodged a direct argument that provided definitions and specific challenges. You “state” that you have refuted it, but there was no beef to your argument, only spin.

This is exactly what I expected from you Robert. A two sentence counter that consist of nothing more than small minded nonsense and spin.

Proof,

You are dumber than dumb. Affect produces a result or it does not. If Obama was “affected” by wright then that created an “effect”. And affect can not create an affect. You idiot.

Wait!
I just thought of something….
While it’s true that 90% of blacks polled claimed they voted for obama, that was just the slim margin that actually voted in the democrat primary.

Again, I think it has more to do with liberals being more excited about Obama than conservatives being excited about McCain.

When the military votes are tallied McCain will win out, I’m sure.