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Contributions from 2991 military personnel out of what, 300,000 +/- ?  That’s not much to hang any hat on.

Again, I think it has more to do with liberals being more excited about Obama than conservatives being excited about McCain.

When the military votes are tallied McCain will win out, I’m sure.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I think the vast majority of Americans contribute nothing to political parties.  I don’t.  Like Mickey posts these statistics like most don’t mean a thing.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Remember there is a significant number of African-Americans in the military that will vote for Obama purely for racial reasons!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

So the boots on the ground (at least by their donation pattern) believe that Old John is not a good choice to lead our country. Isn’t that interesting.

Best and Brightest.

Remember there is a significant number of caucasians in the military that will not vote for Obama purely for racial reasons!

Excuse me, you were saying?

Rob,

Good news for Obama from a propaganda standpoint, but I think the lopsided contributions speak more to conservative dissatisfaction with McCain than outrageous amounts of new support for Obama.

Interesting choice of words.  Why is it propaganda when a Democrat offers facts and when Republicans offer true propaganda it is considered fact?

I think this is an admission of guilt on your part.  You know what YOU do so you assume others like you will do the same thing.  This is straight forward projection, pure and simple.

Thank you for this gift and your admission of guilt.

Nietherman,

Remember there is a significant number of African-Americans in the military that will vote for Obama purely for racial reasons!

Why are you playing the race card here?  Can you explain what you mean by racial reasons?

Rbb,

Nodding in agreement.

So the boots on the ground (at least by their donation pattern) believe that Old John is not a good choice to lead our country. Isn’t that interesting.

Best and Brightest.

Contributions from 292 soldiers deployed abroad is hardly a representative sample.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob: Not only that, but lefties routinely deny the accuracy of polling numbers when it comes to military personnel.  Now, they claim that this tiny sample(if it’s even accurate), is determinative.  Too funny.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

I hate to bring this up, but a substantial number of our fighting forces are in fact monority. That has to be factored into contribution patterns as well.

And, why would anyone be surprised that people in combat would favor the candidate who says “Bring ‘em home now”?

Union troops favored McClellan’s plan to stop the war over Lincoln’s candidacy by huge numbers during that presidential race.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

How old are these numbers?  These look like early primary numbers

electnixon:  Boingggg!!  GOOD POINT!!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Obama -$335,000
Clinton [exited race]-$167,000
$502,000

McCain -$280,000
Paul [exited race] -$232,000
Thompson [exited race] -$046,000
Romney [exited race] -$043,000
Giuliani [exited race] -$022,000
Huckabee [exited race] -$066,000
-$623,000

Go figure, the troops swing for those who have their back. What a shocker.

Half the candidates included in this list have not been running for months. It’d be interesting, in lieu of Obama’s trip overseas to take a more recent poll, or better yet, to simply ask the candidates who they would contribute to, assuming Paul, Thompson, Huckabee, Giuliani, Clinton and Romney weren’t running.

Something tells me they’ll be edging towards McCain… but that’s just me.

"Experience… that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.” -CS Lewis

PP,

I hate to bring this up, but a substantial number of our fighting forces are in fact monority. That has to be factored into contribution patterns as well.

What in the hell does that mean?  You “hate” to bring it up, but you do it anyway?

I would like for you to explain exactly what you mean by that?  Are you suggesting that Minorities are stupid?  Are you suggesting minorities are not republican?  Are you suggesting that minorities lack political prowess?  What in THE hell are you suggesting PP?

I am disappointed in you my friend.

And, why would anyone be surprised that people in combat would favor the candidate who says “Bring ‘em home now”?

So what is the official position on the military PP?  You guys seem to want it both ways.  Your side always plays the patriotism card and suggest that most of those in the military supported Bush and McCain and then all of a sudden some statistic comes out that doesn’t match up to your theory and all of a sudden there is a logical explaination for it?

That explanation being that, “well, they are just minorities and cowards”?

Get real.

pp: Welcome to the nonsense world of H!

You must feel just like McCain when his Dem/MSM “buddies” turned on him.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

hannitized:  Take a breath…

Our troops are not stupid and they’re not cowards.  But they are politically oriented in much the same manner that the folks [ you and me] back home are.

Minorities will tend to support Obama because he is one, and minorities - rightly or wrongly - do not believe the GOP cares about their interests.

The official position of the military and the personal opinions of boots on the ground are often at wide variance; no surprise there.

“Your side”:  while I’m not sure I know exactly what you mean by that, I can tell you this: I tend to form my views based on fact, dialogue and results, rather than politicial or ideological loyalties. 

I don’t think I have a ‘side’. As you may have observed right here on on SAB, I am routinely bashed by the right and the left - like you just did.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

So the boots on the ground (at least by their donation pattern) believe that Old John is not a good choice to lead our country. Isn’t that interesting.

859 people don’t represent the opinion of total number of active military.

Parting with salary for a cash donation is a luxury most military folk can’t afford.

Judging by the low number of total donations, this graph clearly indicates an overall low response by military personel for both candidates.

108:  Actually - once in a blue moon - hannitized does make a good point.  But, as you see here, he foams at the mouth if he thinks racism has been envoked.

I doubt very much that McCain expected any support from the left or the MSM. His positions do not fit with their world-view.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

I’m not sure how many here have ever been deployed, but I’ll add this:
Take a guy that joins up thinking everything will be just fine & he’ll get through his obligation period unscathed.
That same guy get’s deployed & is agitated.
He wants to back the guy that says will get them Home as fast as possible.
That would make sense to me.
Another thing that seems odd is that among the deployed Soldiers, obama’s contributors averaged $452.55 each.
McCain’s averaged $410.19 each.
That’s a fist full for an Enlisted man.
Also, were those on Germany & South Korea included in the deployed group or just those in a DMZ?

Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

pp: You’re offering a factual and logical argument to someone who tried to invalidate you by assassinating your character.
Welcome to the club!

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

I doubt very much that McCain expected any support from the left or the MSM. His positions do not fit with their world-view.

As you know, I thoroughly disagree with both those statements, and have given many reasons for that disagreement.

As far as H making a good argument “once in a blue moon”, I think that is a gross exaggeration.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

PP,

Minorities will tend to support Obama because he is one, and minorities - rightly or wrongly - do not believe the GOP cares about their interests.

I don’t agree with your conclusion.  First, what you are doing is dismissing a “minorities” judgement as being based sheerly on their race, that is wrong.  Second, you attribute at least some percentage as making judgement about Obama based on racial lines and that factor being the driver for understanding some unfairness, (or something) instead of his ideas.  That is also wrong.  Finally, you didn’t explain or discuss the fact that many minorities vote for Republicans. 

What you are essentially saying is that the minorities who vote for Obama do so because they aren’t smart enough to make a rational sound choice based on sound judgement....except those who vote for McCain I would imagine.

In short, you are wrong, wrong wrong and you are walking a fine line here.  A line of racial superiority.

Can you with a straight face tell me that whites vote for McCain because they feel he represents “white” interests?

The official position of the military and the personal opinions of boots on the ground are often at wide variance; no surprise there.

Ok, fair enough.

“Your side”:  while I’m not sure I know exactly what you mean by that, I can tell you this: I tend to form my views based on fact, dialogue and results, rather than politicial or ideological loyalties.

Ok, I will accept your explanation as your truth.  I would like to see some more crossover from you.  I have a lot of conservative views, I haven’t seen too many of your liberal views expressed. 

This sounds like the same type of logic you are using to determine what you did about minorities.  You don’t seem to recognize that a lot of your positions ARE ideologies.  Just as some of mine are.

pp: You’re offering a factual and logical argument to someone who tried to invalidate you by assassinating your character.
Welcome to the club!

Robert,

Kindly point me to where I assassinated PP’s character in the post you are referring to.

And as far as you go, I don’t think you have any character that is positive.

PP on the other hand, I respect.  You can’t hold a candle to him.

PP on the other hand, I respect. You can’t hold a candle to him.

So, you bash the guy up and down, then try to kiss his ass?  Schizo much?

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

I have a lot of conservative views…

Pure bullshit!

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

So, you bash the guy up and down, then try to kiss his ass?

Show me where I criticized him vs. questioned him.  You backed down on my earlier challenge to provide a quote where I attacked his character, and I bet you will back down on the second challenge as well.

PP and I have something you and I never could.  A relationship that is based on our ability to reason with one another.  He takes issue with me because I snipe at people who can not do what he does, rationalize. 

He would rather I submit a formulated argument most of the time.  But here is the think son, few people on this site are worth my effort to care to debate with.  They don’t have the ability to be open minded or rational.  You are one such fellow.

I often disagree with PP, but at least I can count on him to try and be open minded.  You are a lost cause my friend.

You backed down on my earlier challenge to provide a quote where I attacked his character, and I bet you will back down on the second challenge as well.

You lie again; it’s not my responsibility to prove you said what you said; this is a typical liar’s trick.  You said it, I know you said it, and you haven’t proven that you didn’t say it.  Liars like you deny what you said even when it’s shoved in your face.
Quote yourself in full(no cherry-picking) and prove me wrong, liar.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Here goes, liar:

What in the hell does that mean? Questioning his competency to express his thoughts, not the content of what he said. You “hate” to bring it up, but you do it anyway? Again, questioning his competency, with no factual counter argument.

I would like for you to explain exactly what you mean by that? Feigning ignorance of what he clearly said, as a means to question his competency. Are you suggesting that Minorities are stupid? Attempt at mischaracterization. Are you suggesting minorities are not republican? Attempt to twist his words. Are you suggesting that minorities lack political prowess? Attempt to smear him by implying he’s racist. What in THE hell are you suggesting PP? More mischaracterization.  He didn’t “suggest” anything; he made a simple declarative statement.  Instead of questioning his facts or premises, you resort to purely personal attack.

I am disappointed in you my friend. As if your disapproval, absent of any factual argument, makes him inferior in some way.  Pure narcissism.

And, why would anyone be surprised that people in combat would favor the candidate who says “Bring ‘em home now”? Irrelevant, and having no factual basis.  PP questioned the factual basis of this information, and you are now begging the question.

So what is the official position on the military PP? Questioning the person, not the facts. You guys seem to want it both ways. More personal stuff; still no facts. Your side always plays the patriotism card and suggest that most of those in the military supported Bush and McCain and then all of a sudden some statistic comes out that doesn’t match up to your theory and all of a sudden there is a logical explaination for it?  Pure unsupported nonsense, shaped into a “guilt by association” assassination of pp’s character.

That explanation being that, “well, they are just minorities and cowards”? Again, character assassination by mischaracterization.

Get real. Implied smear.

The truth is that pp made a logical argument, and you responded with pure, unsupported, non factual personal attack.

Let your denials begin, liar.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

I don’t agree with your conclusion.  First, what you are doing is dismissing a “minorities” judgement as being based sheerly on their race, that is wrong.

There are plenty of white people who refuse to vote for Obama because they don’t want a black man in the white house, why is it so hard to believe that a minority would chose to vote in another minority, based on race?

Have you seen the state of American politics? Of the scant few who do vote, so many of them vote with little or no knowlege of the candidates. Old politically distanced white males are likely to vote for McCain, because they can associate with them, younger black men and women will primarily vote for Obama because they can associate with him.

It’s not racist to do that. It’s not an effective way of choosing a political leader, but there’s very little malicious intent in it.

"Experience… that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.” -CS Lewis

"There are plenty of white people who refuse to vote for Obama because they don’t want a black man in the white house, why is it so hard to believe that a minority would chose to vote in another minority, based on race? “
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I clearly remember exit polling data reported that concluded that 90% of blacks voted for obama.
It’s been known that blacks tend to block vote, one which bill clinton sought.
Is that considered racist?
Or is it only one of the lefty screeching points if a non-black has a preference?

Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

Hannitized:  I’m not dismissing anything.  Indeed, about 10% of minorities vote for the GOP, most of them middle-class.

But minorities anywhere, anytime, who see themselves as oppressed, misunderstood, neglected or abused - or sometimes simply as a group - tend to vote in a bloc for other minorities. 

Is it safe to assume that you took Poli Sci or sociology 101 in college?  If so, then you already know this.

If not, you can draw your own conclusions simply by studying voter-patterns.

I thank you for your kind comments about me, but 108 is right in much of his response to you.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Unless I missed it, no one as suggested yet that maybe the reason soldiers MIGHT prefer Obama is the same reason as a large percentage of the rest of the country...GWB is not a well liked man, and that is hurting MC and the GOP. Its party affiliation...maybe they see MC as another GWB, and maybe they dont like GWB and what the GOP has been for the last few years. At least Obama SAYS he will bring them home. Might not be true, but he is telling them what they want to hear, and the GOP is not. A soldier should have faith in his leadership, and I doubt if that is the case with GWB and the military rank and file.

So where was McCain “I’m republican and support troops” on the latest GI bill vote?

Oh.

Absent. Hm.

So the boots on the ground (at least by their donation pattern) believe that Old John is not a good choice to lead our country. Isn’t that interesting. (sic)

Best and Brightest.

Jay Tea over at Wizbang ran those “deployed troops” numbers and here’s what he came up with:

Average donation to Obama: $455 and change.
Average donation to McCain: $410 and change

Total donations to Democrats: $63,882
Total donations to Republicans: $76,027

Average donation to Democrats: $456 and change
Average donation to Republicans: $500 and change

Total donations: 292
Total donations to Democrats: 140
Total donations to Republicans: 152
Total number of deployed troops donating to Obama and McCain: 160

Total number of American troops deployed abroad: about 370,000
Total number of deployed troops in Iraq: about 170,000
Total number of troops deployed in Afghanistan: about 20,000

Percentage of US troops deployed overseas donating at least $200 to presidential campaigns this year: 0.079%.

So the boots on the ground (at least by their donation pattern) believe that the Democrats are not a good choice to lead our country. Isn’t that interesting?

Best and Brightest. Heh.

Excuse me, you were saying?

PP,

First off, why don’t you explain to me why you said “I hate to say it..but”?  What is the negative connotation to saying it if it was appropriate to say.

Don’t play me for a fool.

But minorities anywhere, anytime, who see themselves as oppressed, misunderstood, neglected or abused - or sometimes simply as a group - tend to vote in a bloc for other minorities.

I had hoped you would respond with this answer.  Because what you are doing here was very predictable.  Did you see Robs post today about North Dakota’s educational system results?  What did he do?  He blamed the educational system and the politicians and neglected to hold any of those kids or their families of their personal responsibility.

You need to recognize that people might just think differently from you because of their life experiences my friend.

Is it safe to assume that you took Poli Sci or sociology 101 in college?  If so, then you already know this.

If not, you can draw your own conclusions simply by studying voter-patterns.

So all of a sudden the things that are taught is school are accurate?  The right is famous for blaming the school systems for poisoning the minds of students.  This is one of those instances where I vehemently disagreed with my professors and teachers.

Further, I was a Pshyc major and I understand human behavior and psychology very well.  So I will ask you again.

Why did you say that you hate to say it?

Robert,

You are a fool.  I didn’t in one instance question his competency, only the content of his comments. 

Asking a question is an open opportunity to explain himself.  No accusation was made by me.  What you imagine is all in your head.

You on the other-hand offer true insults and with you, I respond in kind.  Sorry, but you come across as an idiot and I think you are dumb as a rock.

You are a fool. I didn’t in one instance question his competency, only the content of his comments.

I detailed it point by point; go tell your lies to someone else; I know better, and you know it.
You can’t cover your bullshit with lies, sonny.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Don’t play me for a fool.

You are a fool; it’s not necessary to “play” you.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Break it down and the average donation was $300 +/- $20.

That’s a big chunk of a soldiers pay check. I’d like to see a spread sheet of the rank and locations of these donars.

I suspect many of them are not deployed in the middle east.

PP,

Can you please explain why you said “I hate to say it but...”?

I am still curious as to why you would hate to say something that has a negative connotation and then allow your friends to harass me for calling you out on what is clearly questionable commentary.

...and then allow your friends to harass me for calling
you out on what is clearly questionable commentary.

Two lies, here: First, no one “allows” anything here; we comment when we see a need to refute your lies with the truth.
Second, you gave no facts, only personal attack.
It is your “commentary” that is questionable, as always.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Robert,

Allow PP to answer for himself.  And if you think you are capable, and let me assure you that you are not, why do you think he said “I hate to say it......but”?

I will tell you why.  Because he knows he said something with a negative connotation.  And your idiot ass is harassing me because I questioned him.  You confuse the guilt he attributed to his own statement on me.

That is the sort of jacked up on stupidity sort of guy you are.

Allow PP to answer for himself. This is an open forum; pp can do whatever he wants; I don’t control him, despite what your foolish imagination tells you. And if you think you are capable, and let me assure you that you are not, You know nothing, and your opinion is bullshit, as usual. why do you think he said “I hate to say it......but”? I don’t care, as I’m not attacking him, like you are. What are your facts, here?

I will tell you why. You ask a question(an irrelevant one), and then make up your own answer. Because he knows he said something with a negative connotation. And your idiot ass is harassing me because I questioned him. No, you made nothing but personal attacks, and I exposed you.  I’m not harrassing you, I’m exposing your bullshit. You confuse the guilt he attributed to his own statement on me. You are the one who is guilty of no-content personal attack.  You have nothing but bullshit, as usual.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Why are you defending Pparets Robert?

why do you think he said “I hate to say it......but”?

I don’t care, as I’m not attacking him, like you are. What are your facts, here?

You are not attacking him, you are attacking me, you got that right.  What I was doing was questioning him.  What you have demonstrated is that you don’t understand the difference between being attacked and being questioned.

I assume then that when Obama goes on to Fox News he is not going to be questioned, but attacked.  Right?

You confuse the guilt he attributed to his own statement on me.

You are the one who is guilty of no-content personal attack.  You have nothing but bullshit, as usual.

PP was feeling guilty for what he was about to say, that is why he prefaced it with..."I hate to say it”.

PP is now running away from this debate because he knows he said something with a negative connotation, but won’t elaborate on what it was that was negative.  And when I questioned him on it, instead of accusing him....he provided a BS excuse.

Why don’t you answer PP?

PP,

I don’t agree with your conclusion.  First, what you are doing is dismissing a “minorities” judgement as being based sheerly on their race, that is wrong.  Second, you attribute at least some percentage as making judgement about Obama based on racial lines and that factor being the driver for understanding some unfairness, (or something) instead of his ideas.  That is also wrong.  Finally, you didn’t explain or discuss the fact that many minorities vote for Republicans.

What you are essentially saying is that the minorities who vote for Obama do so because they aren’t smart enough to make a rational sound choice based on sound judgement....except those who vote for McCain I would imagine.

In short, you are wrong, wrong wrong and you are walking a fine line here.  A line of racial superiority.

Can you with a straight face tell me that whites vote for McCain because they feel he represents “white” interests?

Ninety percent of blacks vote Dem.  Many blacks will vote for Obama for racial reasons, when they wouldn’t vote for a similarly qualified(or non-qualified) white Dem candidate.  If you don’t know this fact, you don’t know anything.
The minorities who vote Republican, especially those who become conservative, are routinely savaged by you lefties.  Your racism is obvious.  Even though you have been thoroghly refuted here, you continue to try to attack pp by playing the race card.  Pathetic.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Why are you defending Pparets Robert?

I’m defending the truth; he told the truth, and you attacked him for it, while making no factual counter-argument to what he said, and you are still stuck on stupid.
You have yet to make a factual reply to anything either of us has said.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Ninety percent of blacks vote Dem.

Maybe, but the Dem politicians and presidents haven’t been MINORITIES.  So PParets argument is lost on that simple fact.

What PP suggested was that minorities would vote for Obama because he is one.  That is wrong and it forces one to question anyone who would say such a thing.

Many blacks will vote for Obama for racial reasons, when they wouldn’t vote for a similarly qualified(or non-qualified) white Dem candidate.

How many and for what racial reason?  You made the claim, YOU EXPLAIN IT.

The minorities who vote Republican, especially those who become conservative, are routinely savaged by you lefties.

Savaged?  Are you insane?

Your racism is obvious.

You see.  You are the only one calling people racist here.  Your statements and your reactions demonstrate which one of us is making prejudgement’s based on race.  That is YOU my friend...and you just proved it by stating that blacks will vote for blacks for racial reasons without having evidence or an explanation.

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The minorities who vote Republican, especially those who become conservative, are routinely savaged by you lefties.

That is absolutely true Hannitized. Black conservatives such as Clarence Thomas are routinely insulted in the most degrading and even racist ways by leftists.

. Black conservatives such as Clarence Thomas are routinely insulted in the most degrading and even racist ways by leftists.

Ken,

Your argument doesn’t prove causation.

Barack Obama was degraded just as bad from the left.  So why doesn’t he flip? 

This isn’t even an argument, it is a whiny and wild theory.  They left the party because they have different views.

Left that party?  Bad word choice.  They were probably not ever a part of the party.  Your argument suggests 100% of blacks are dems, before they left.

This is insanity.

Well, ok, you guys aren’t arguing that they “left” the party.  You are merely arguing that people attack each other.  But Obama has suffered just as much criticism from his own party and from the Republicans. 

And of course none of that has anything to do with PP’s statement that was way out of line.

Hannitized:

minorities would vote for Obama because he is one.  That is wrong…

H: Why is that wrong?  How do you KNOW it is wrong?  Did my statement somehow sound like an insult hurled at minorities?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Maybe, but the Dem politicians and presidents haven’t been MINORITIES. So PParets argument is lost on that simple fact.

No, it’s not.  Only in your racist leftie mind is race a qualification for political office.  Trying to twist my words isn’t any sort of counter-argument here.  We’re still waiting for anything resembling a factual argument from you.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

minorities would vote for Obama because he is one.

A common misconception.  Owing to the leftie political tactic of keeping their favored groups Balkanized, minorities actually are in competition with each other for their piece of the fixed Dem pie.  “Minorities” isn’t a unified group, despite leftie racist propaganda.

What is making H’s head explode here, and what is causing him to squeal so loudly and impotently, is the simple fact that many people vote along racial lines, especially Dems.
It’s a fact, and an inconvenient truth for the lefties who seek to deny the inherent racism of the Dem Party.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

But Obama has suffered just as much criticism from his own party and from the Republicans.

More non-factual bullshit.  Obama is supremely unqualified to be President of this country, and his own Party is supporting him anyway.  The Republicans aren’t criticizing him to the extent he deserves to be criticized.
He’s racist, Marxist and a black separatist.  He knows nothing of economics or foreign policy, being trained only as a Marxist neighborhood organizer.  His “skillset” is completely inadequate to lead a city, much less a nation.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

PP:

H: Why is that wrong?  How do you KNOW it is wrong?

Did you read the previous comments.  According to your friend, Robert;

Ninety percent of blacks vote Dem.

So if 90% of blacks vote Dem and dem politicians haven’t been minorities, then it proves my point.  They vote DEM anyway.

Did my statement somehow sound like an insult hurled at minorities?

Of course it did, otherwise, why would you say “I HATE TO SAY IT...BUT”??

And PP...your buddy Robert is babbling like an electric robot that fell into a swimming pool.

I cant see a single coherent message from that moron.  You should pick your supporters more carefully.  He is reflecting poorly on you.

So if 90% of blacks vote Dem and dem politicians haven’t been minorities, then it proves my point.

No it doesn’t; it proves the point that the playing of the race card by the Dems is successful in getting blacks to vote as a bloc about 90% of the time.  The Dems use race-based propaganda to convince blacks to vote on what they are told is in their racial interest.  The fact that the Dem Party is the repository of racism in this country is one of the greatest propaganda achievements of all time.
Dems routinely accuse Republicans and conservatives of being racist, which is what gets out the black vote for them.  Being successful with that lie, they continue to use it, and Obama’s unqualified candidacy is the evidence of Dem racial politics.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

I cant see a single coherent message from that moron.

That’s because you have a very serious comprehension problem.  You keep mistaking that DK propaganda in your head for reality.
Your assertion about my being a “supporter” of pp shows your absolute ignorance.  He and I have had many heated battles, but he’s right on this one, and you have yet to do anything besides try to attack him personally and to try to assassinate his character.

I support the truth, which generally leaves you out, H.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

I hate to say it

H:  I have never accused you of being anyone’s ‘buddy’. I don’t indulge in that kind of crap and would appreciate it if you didn’t either - at least where I am concerned.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

H:  108 is right.  He and I do frequently tangle, but when he is on target I say so.

And, on this thread, he is on target!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

I hate to say it

was my acknowledgement that I would inevitably be called a racist for pointing out the obvious.

Right.  And they attacked you anyway.  Trying to be nice just doesn’t work with ideologically-driven people, IMO.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

PP:

For the record I never labeled you a racist.  Your remark was insulting to their intelligence and it sounds and looks like racial superiority, unless you can demonstrate non-minorities do the same thing. 

You have been questioned on why you said what you said and you ignored the meat of the argument that would demonstrate that you have the same view or opinion of the non-minorities and how they make their choice to vote.

In regards to Robert, you accepted his argument on behalf of your defense.  And all the while he has been shooting himself in the foot, he simultaneously shot your argument through the heart.

It seems that you were willing to accept his defense of you when it was convenient and they you ignored his arguments that were weak and sit back and let me take all the heat on his warped view points. 

I don’t appreciate that either.  So why don’t we make an agreement to fight our own battles and if we are going to accept the arguments of others as a defense, then we should also condemn their viewpoints where we disagree.  Deal?

That would be my recommendation on how to avoid that association.

But keeping to the argument, how do you explain that 90% of blacks voting for Dems prior to Obamas arrival?  That contradicts your argument as if they are already voting for Dems, then they certainly aren’t simply voting because he is a minority, like them.

And PP, your arguement as to why you said “"I" hate to say it...but” was weak.

Your choice of words assumes personal responsibility, now you are shifting that to others.  You are responsible for what you say and you are responsible for your word choice.

Again:

I don’t agree with your conclusion.  First, what you are doing is dismissing a “minorities” judgement as being based sheerly on their race, that is wrong.  Second, you attribute at least some percentage as making judgement about Obama based on racial lines and that factor being the driver for understanding some unfairness, (or something) instead of his ideas.  That is also wrong.  Finally, you didn’t explain or discuss the fact that many minorities vote for Republicans.

What you are essentially saying is that the minorities who vote for Obama do so because they aren’t smart enough to make a rational sound choice based on sound judgement....except those who vote for McCain I would imagine.

In short, you are wrong, wrong wrong and you are walking a fine line here.  A line of racial superiority.

Can you with a straight face tell me that whites vote for McCain because they feel he represents “white” interests?

Dems routinely accuse Republicans and conservatives of being racist, which is what gets out the black vote for them.  Being successful with that lie, they continue to use it,

Anyone who says that blacks vote for Obama simply because his is black, IS prejudiced that prejudice is based on race. 

If PP’s argument is they are voting for Obama because they believe he understands their interests,......and pay attention here.......THAT IS A VALID REASON.  To dismiss it as simply they are voting for him because he is also a minority is just stupid racial superiority nonsense.

Robert, if you want dems to stop accusing you guys of being racists. Stop making racist accusations and “attacking these peoples character”. 

How do your own stupid words sound coming right back at you?

"If PP’s argument is they are voting for Obama because they believe he understands their interests,......and pay attention here.......THAT IS A VALID REASON...”
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But what if they believe he understands their interests.... because he is most like them & only those like tham can understand them?

Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

Here you go PP:

Prejudice:

The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event. The word has commonly been used in certain restricted contexts, in the expression ‘racial prejudice’. Initially this is referred to making a judgment about a person based on their race, religion, etc., before receiving information relevant to the particular issue on which a judgment was being made;

What did you say about this report and the minorities, BEFORE BECOMING AWARE OF THE RELEVANT FACTS?

I hate to bring this up, but a substantial number of our fighting forces are in fact monority. That has to be factored into contribution patterns as well.

And, why would anyone be surprised that people in combat would favor the candidate who says “Bring ‘em home now”?

So you make a prejudiced statement about minorities that does not specify that the minorities might actually have a valid reason for voting for Obama....such as believing he will represent and make decisions that effect them.  THAT is NOT simply voting for him because he is a minority.

What you said is something that looks like racial prejudice and what do we know about racial prejudice?

rac·ism Audio Help (rā’sĭz’əm) Pronunciation Key
n. 

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

All you have to do, is explain yourself.  Yet, you are more concerned about defending yourself from names that nobody has called you.

...But what if they believe he understands their interests.... because he is most like them & only those like tham can understand them?

Reb,

Well, the fact that 90% of blacks have been voting for white dem candidates for over 50 years sort of immunizes the poison you are spewing, doesn’t it?

Do you think whites are voting for McCain because he is most like them & only those like them can understand them?

Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s racist-Marxist mentor, with whom he spent twenty years as a congregant in Wright’s Trinity Church, repeatedly cites as one of his primary sources of
his black liberation theology, [BLT] a black racist by the name of James Cone.

Here’s a sample from Cone’s writing:

The white God is an idol, created by the racist bastards, and we black people must perform the iconoclastic task of smashing their false images.

– James Cone, “A Black Theology of Liberation ”

Black Liberation Theology is but one thing: a perversion of Christianity intended by design to woo blacks from faith and toward Marxist thought.

"Well, the fact that 90% of blacks have been voting for white dem candidates for over 50 years sort of immunizes the poison you are spewing, doesn’t it?”
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Dunno!
THis is the first arab/african/American to get this far.
It IS a fact that 90% of blacks polled claimed to have voted for obama in the primary.

Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

Hannitized ,what grade are you in ?

Wait!
I just thought of something....
While it’s true that 90% of blacks polled claimed they voted for obama, that was just the slim margin that actually voted in the democrat primary.

Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

Joel,

Please don’t ask him personal questions!  He’ll take up half the damn bandwidth patting himself on the bak in reply!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Well, the fact that 90% of blacks have been voting for white dem candidates for over 50 years sort of immunizes the poison you are spewing, doesn’t it?”
RebTex on August 15

It’s not “my” poison blockhead, it’s their’s....

Try reading the f...ing book before you ignorantly mouth-off.

Sorry Reb, that was intendend for Hiney-tased…

No harm, Joel!

Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?