Department Of Labor: Teachers Are The Highest Paid Of All State Workers, Earn Double Private Industry Average

Another blow to the underpaid teacher myth, according to this analysis of private sector workers and state government workers performed by the Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (federal employees weren’t included):

(CNSNews.com) – Public school teachers receive greater average hourly compensation in wages and benefits than any other group of state and local government workers and receive more than twice as much in average hourly wages and benefits as workers in private industry, according to a new report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Public primary, secondary and special education teachers are paid an average of $56.59 per hour in combined wages and benefits, BLS said in the report released last week.

That is slightly more than twice the $28.24 in average hourly wages and benefits paid to workers in private industry.

And keep in mind that teachers get 2 – 3 months off every year in holidays and vacation including summer vacation.

Believe it or not, average private sector compensation is actually less than the overall average for compensation due to the factor that public sector compensation is so high:

In fact, according the BLS, the $28.24 in average hourly wages and benefits that private-industry workers now earn in the United States is less than the overall national average for hourly wages and benefits of $30.11.

That is because the overall national average compensation is dragged upwards from the private-industry average by the much higher wages and benefits paid to state and local government workers—who take in an average of $40.76 per hour, according to BLS.

We need less government.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

    The school year is only 180 days, so teachers work less than half the year. Essentially, they work part-time for more than full time compensation and retire while still in their fifties!

    • factsarefacts

      Become a teacher then.

      I agree with a lot of your posts, but you are simply wrong on this one.
      Wrong.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        It depends on which school district the teachers work in. The situation is not universal but here in Green Bay my next door neighbor retired from teaching last year at age 55 and is living quite well with two homes and two cars.  I do agree with one of your posts. Become a teacher. It’s not that hard and you only work 8.5 months a year

        • Demosthenes

          That hard? Do you mean physical labor required or difficulty becoming a professional?

          I guess you would have to explain what is or isn’t harder in regards to teaching and becoming a Teacher.

        • factsarefacts

          Never said it wasn’t hard. Simply stated what you needed to do . You won’t do it. So,
          stop complaining and do it then. 
          (you wouldn’t last a week)

    • Guest

      It’s easy to say your job is the easiest most overpaid job there is if I have never done it.

      • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

        I’ve spent a lot of my life observing it being done. Numbers don’t lie even if those on the public payroll wish that they would.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Numbers don’t lie, but people lie about numbers.  Hello reality, meet Rob Port.

          • StudentofFreedom

            has anyone asked this question hanni…..why does a person living in Hawaii so concerned about a North Dakota blog site?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            This study is nationwide lie made by CNS and Rob.

  • Jamermorrow

    At least we get good quality educations hahahahahahaha. I remember calling my teachers out on this in high school. I would point out the houses and cars they drove compared to what most of our parents had. Needless to say my teachers did not like me.

  • factsarefacts

    Again, here we are bashing teachers and the public educational system, (which, again, numerous of you all graduated from with a diploma and the ability to read and write…)

    If you are so down on teachers:

    Step 1:  Get a BS in education
    Step 2:  Pass your Praxis test for the area of expertise you want to work in.
    Step 3: Get a job and “enjoy” all the benefits it has to offer.  (it’s a little more difficult than you think as are many different professions.)
    Step 4:  Enjoy all that time “off.”  (don’t worry about the papers you have to grade, the lesson plans, the rude and obnoxious teens you have to put up with, the continuing educational credits needed……)

    Enough is enough.  We work hard for our money and seeing it continually bashed here is quite funny.  I support all people who pay taxes, work hard, and live a clean life.  The educational field isn’t any different.  We can’t help when we work.  The schedule was set up that way.

    Just see above if you really want to become a teacher.

    • Demosthenes

      Also,
      Joe Blow garbage truck man without a H.S. Diploma gets paid $20/hr to take my trash out?!?! Serious?

      Public workers can be over paid in some areas. In Schools though I see nothing wrong with the current compensation. If anything in ND it could go up for K-12.

    • Jamermorrow

      So without being taxed for public schools their is no way we would become educated? Somehow I think parents would find a way to educate their children. News flash, almost every job requires work outside of work. Most of the people I know work 50-60 hour work weeks.  A private in the army makes less than $15,000.00 a year and works three times as many hours. I don’t hear them bitching and protesting.

      • Demosthenes

        There is bloat in the public sector I do not think it is teachers though. I think actually this is one area that the government is actually useful.

        “works three times as many hours” That is 150-180hrs a week on the top end means 7.5 solid days of work which isn’t even possible to do in a week let alone you would die from physical exhaustion. Poor example.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Thats like the whiny union paper mill worker that declares he works 80 hours a week. What he isn’t telling you is that his work week is 8 days on followed by 4 days off. Plus he is getting paid meals, breaks and overtime

      • Aaron

        “Somehow I think parents would find a way to educate their children”

        Have you seen parents these days?  In many cases, I mean that literally: are parents even around? 

        I’m a teacher by trade, though without a teaching job right now and holding down a private sector job.  If you’re not related or close friends with the administration in a public school, you’re not getting a job, in particular in rural areas.  I like what I see in private schools, hiring based on talent rather than pull.  Their curriculum is amazing, but it helps when you can pick and choose talented students over those without the aptitude and drive. 

        The only way the public education monster is going to be brought down is by folks in the free market’s corner building up a rival private school system such that any student with talent can get in.  Right now, you have to have talent and a lot of cash, which a lot of kids just don’t have access to. 

        But this means someone in the free market’s corner is going to have to pony up some cash to get those kinds of schools going.  Won’t be charter schools, either, because with their public cash comes public rules (aka a lottery system to choose students rather than one based on talent). 

        • ec99

          Good point.  Time to cut the crap about “parents.”  Many of them are nothing more than biological units.  At five days old they dump their kids in daycare, and give others the responsibility of raising them while they seek to “fulfill” themselves.  K-12 is nothing more for them but a continuation of that.  Listen to them whine when there’s a weather closing…”Who’s going to take care of my kids?”  How many of them even bother to show up for parent/teacher conferences?  I’d bet in most schools 40% tops.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      We all work hard and those of us who have a degree also work after hours and bring work home. We just don’t get someone else to pay our union dues and retirement benefits plus we have to work for almost 25 years before we get 4 weeks of vacation. We also are not protected by tenure, that nice little perk that allows lazy teachers to get paid the same as excellent teachers and protects them from getting fired. All teachers are not the same but we the public are forced to accept the crazy state union standards that protects the bad ones. If you want sympathy then clean up your own first. Then we’ll talk.

      • Demosthenes

        25 years? I started a job this summer and started with 4 weeks. Were ever you work like that you are being used and abused, get out quick.

      • factsarefacts

        Not in a  union. Don’t have tenure.
        (charter school where merit pay is the deal. Don’t do a good job and we fire you.)
        Get your facts straight before you step to me.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          And I am talking about the “public” teachers not you. Now get YOUR facts straight. I don’t give a rats ass what you do. The topic is about public teachers

          • Dakotacyr

            There are many many public charter schools.  Get your facts straight.

          • Hal693

            You have you “facts” wrong quite often.  So, get your facts straight, whiner.

             

          • factsarefacts

            Idiot.  My charter school is a public school.  What are you even talking about.  Learn about a topic before you post…… Tool.

          • factsarefacts

            Again.  A charter school IS a public school. 
            Get it straight.  Learn your facts. 
            I work in a PUBLIC school. 

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    This is more funny math where they are trying to ignore the summer breaks and vacations.  In short this post is another lie:

    Average Teacher Salary in North DakotaThe average teacher salary in North Dakota is ranked among the very lowest states in the nation, along with its western counterparts, such as Montana, Utah, and South Dakota, likely reflective of the lower cost of living in such states. Teaching salaries in North Dakota experienced small growth between 2007 and 2009. From 2007 to 2008 North Dakota teacher salaries grew only 0.80% and from 2008 to 2009 grew 2.34%, resulting in a two-year growth of 3.16%.The typical teacher salary in North Dakota for 2009 was $41,026, up slightly from $40,700 in 2008. These salaries are significantly lower than the national average of $49,720 in 2009 and $48,353 in 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Teaching salaries in North Dakota ranked 43rd in the nation in 2007, when the average teacher salaries North Dakota were $39,770 per year. The national rank of the average teacher salary in North Dakota has slipped over the past two years, to 46th in 2008 and 49th in 2009. Details can be seen in the below North Dakota teacher salary schedule:Average SalaryPercent ChangeRank2009Rank2008Rank20072008 to 20092007 to 20082007 to 2009North Dakota49$41,026.6746$40,700.0043$39,770.000.80%2.34%3.16%

    http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/average-teacher-salary-north-dakota.html

    We might need less government, but we need to be making more than 35-45k a year. Rob must be making 25k annual salary.

    • Jamermorrow

      Remember that wages are generally lower in ND for everything (exception being oil). Most of my teachers made more than my parents or my friends parents.

      • Demosthenes

        In ND? Really? I doubt it unless you and your friends were dirt poor.

        • Jamermorrow

          Yea most of us were poor. You been to the small towns in ND? Beside for a few farmers everybody else is not very well off. 

          • Demosthenes

            When it comes to comparing in rural areas who is poorer Teachers or Someone else. You both are poor.

      • ec99

        This is the great rationalization for North Dakota parsimony.  It’s also the reason why college graduates get the hell out of ND and head for places where salaries reflect their education level.

        • StudentofFreedom

          I love North Dakota. I am graduating college in the spring and have no intentions of moving out of state. My only motivation for staying here is to show the people on Hanni’s side that liberal views are destroying this country. Test me!!!!

    • StudentofFreedom

      has anyone asked this question hanni…..why does a person living in Hawaii so concerned about a North Dakota blog site?

  • Demosthenes

    Looking at the report by BLS, Teachers are classified under the Management, Professional, and Related Occupation group.

    http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/EMPLOYER%20COSTS%20FOR%20EMPLOYEE%20COMPENSATION-12-07-11.pdf

    Public Sector is $49.37

    Private Sector is $50.41

    Based on that Teachers are being paid almost exactly what the private is
    getting. CNSNews is comparing Professional workers in the Public sector
    to Education Services in the Private which includes myriad of
    non-professional trades and skill. This comparison is crap and so is
    this post Rob if you thought this was a good example of big government.

  • Dakotacyr

    What a bunch of hooey!  Once again, Rob’s headlines lies. The DOL said no such thing, it is nowhere in their release, nowhere in their report.  In factk, if CNS was a reputable nesw service and Rob’s blog was anything but a rag, CNS and Rob would have seen this in the technical note of the report:

    “Compensation cost levels in state and local government should not be directly compared with levels in private industry. Differences between these sectors stem from factors such as variation in work activities and occupational structures. Manufacturing and sales, for example, make up a large part of private industry work activities but are rare in state and local government. Professional and administrative support occupations (including teachers) account for two-thirds of the state and local government workforce, compared with one-half of private industry”.

    But never get in Rob’s way when he is propagating a good lie. 

    • StudentofFreedom

      create your own blog website !!

      • Dakotacyr

        Boo hoo hoo

      • Hal693

        Yes, why don’t you, DakotaCryr?

      • Demosthenes

        I find more entertainment on commenting on this one. We are free to choose just like you are.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    I don’t have a problem paying “good” teachers what they are worth. We have a market based economy (or we used to before Obama) and privet sector people generally get paid what the market will pay. But the education system has this one little issue that needs to be changed and that is tenure. We should not be protecting bad teachers. They should be subject to annual reviews like everyone else.

    • Demosthenes

      I am thinking a lot of people agree with you but that isn’t the problem. The problem is what is a bad teacher and how we define it? 

      Children will fail and should fail but saying that is because of poor teaching is something that is in debate now.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        I never said failing a student is the sign of a bad teacher. You fail to recognize or acknowledge that bad teachers could possibly exist. Sorry, but they really do. Simply getting the degree and passing the exam is not a gaurantee of quality. The system protects them.

        • Demosthenes

          I acknowledge there are bad teachers and I am one of them, thankfully I do not do it professionally.

          You fail to use your evolved intellect to understand what I wrote… HOW do you measure a bad teacher? IT is in debate!

          The current system of determining a bad teacher is one you are unwilling to use to prove a good teacher.

          If a student doesn’t graduate with a diploma and doesn’t pass a standardized test, then that is a bad teacher? Of course not.

    • factsarefacts

      Agreed.

  • borborygmi

    Article on this blog pointed out that teachers were top three or four most trusted professionals. 
    It has been continually supported that quality has to be paid for but apparently only if you are in private industry.  Why do you hate people making a living or is it just envy.  
      Here is a solution become a teacher.  I mean according to the ass hats on this board it is a pc of cake.   NO Balls or NO Skills, afraid of the work or  most likely or just spewing some sort of conservative bs.
         I would like to know what teachers were included in the avg of the private schools. If you are including religion based schools they get paid diddly squat and will bring down the average.   If you only include the higher ed prepatory schools , I would bet they are paid handsomely.   

  • borborygmi

    When they count hours does that include the amount of time they work at home after hours. 
    I don’t know any teacher that doesn’t.   

    • Demosthenes

      They are not counting hours in until they tally up the Wages and Benefits and then get and hourly rate through a division of a normal 40hr work week.

       

    • factsarefacts

      That was my point.  It just kind of got lost here. (somehow.)

  • mickey_moussaoui

    The only person to take more vacation days per year than a teacher is Barack Obama

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      And the only presidents who took more vacation days per year than Barack Obama were bush and Raygun.

      So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in
      office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent
      180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And
      Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch. Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off — 28 days.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtml

      Really Mr. Mouse, why do you write such drivel?
      I’m gonna guess, ODS.
      What does your doctor say?

      • JustRuss

        Whats the price of tea in China?

        Also, vacationing to a ranch that only has to be secured once, is owned by you or your family, and continuing to do work as though you were in the White House isn’t really vacation in the same line as Martha’s Vineyard. Besides, I’m sure GW did more work (running the country) in a normal day at the ranch than Obama does in the Oval Office.

        Do either of us have facts to back up our assertions? Nope, but I’m sure you will call Bush a monkey or a clown and say he didn’t do any work at all. You can go back to laughing stupidly at Family Guy now.

        **Note: I like Family Guy even if I don’t always agree with the message (when there is a message)**

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      I think I may have found the source of your…let’s call it “misunderstanding”.

      The tall tales about Barack Obama keep getting taller everyday on Fox
      News. Tonight on The O’Reilly Factor guest Monica Crowley who claimed
      that, “Obama is taking a vacation every five minutes…Bush took two
      vacations a year in August and at Christmastime that was it.”

      http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-bush-vacation

      Turn off the Pox, Mr. Mouse. It’s making you stupid.

    • factsarefacts

      Teachers work extremely hard and long hours.
      TEACH before you so rashly comment on something. (You will see just how difficult it is. )

  • mickey_moussaoui

    realfacts, are fun

    Hash Browns Rage! Teacher Arrested For Pelting McDonald’s Worker With Food At Drive-Thru Window
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/teacher-busted-for-mcdonalds-drive-thru-rage-765912

    yes sir, ALLLLLLLLLL teachers are perfect humans feeerrrrrr sure
    You are people like everyone else. Some good, some bad.

    I have know some excellent teachers and I have experienced teachers who should be unemployed. Get over the ego and accept reality. BTW I work an average of 55-60 hours a week myself.

    I rest my case

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