The View is probably the dumbest show on television, but it gets a lot of attention the blogosphere because...well...Rosie and the rest of the kooked out liberals on that show (with the exception of the lovely Mrs. Hasselbeck) say a lot of dumb things.
So it’s nice when someone like Dennis Miller, a comedian but also a fairly smart guy, goes on the show and really sticks it to Rosie and her gang.
Do the lefties ever give an example of a real example of someone who was actually wrongfully hurt by the patriot act or the wiretapping?
And if they give an example what is the the real story behind that.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
IF Hillary is Clinton next? That will be a sad day for all of us…
Sorry! I was in such a state of dismay about the idea of Hillary ever being President it shook me up!
I got caught up in National Security screening before it was cool I guess. It was OK for FBI and NSA to run me through the wringer simply because of the documents,books, and maps I was perusing at the National Archives and Georgetown University Lib Annex and the phone calls to Taiwan, China, and Japan. And yet it is evil and wrong to do less than that to people with open connections to terrorist organizations and publicly stated sympathies with said terrorist organizations. Who’d a thunk it?
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The View briefly agreed with and then totally glased over the fact that in a time such as this, unity is paramount.
If it were opposite and a conservative show stated that supporting W was unimportant, the msm would have extracted that singular quote and blared it all over the news like Greenspan stating that a recession ‘might’ be possible by the end of 2007 sending the msm into a frenzy.
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Excuse me, you were saying?
That was highly pleasurable! An enemy of Rosie’s is a friend of mine. Trump was even starting to look decent!!
I like how Dennis basically told Rosie next time before you argue with me check your facts. Sweet.
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Dennis needs to check his facts.
Library records have been examined.
Thanks for the link WOOF
DOJ has said that post-PATRIOT, it has sought and obtained library records.
What is left in the air is whether the Patriot Act was needed to obtain those records. That was Miller’s point, valid or otherwise. If he’s right, then in this instance at least, one cannot point to the Patriot Act as eroding civil liberties. (Depending on your perspective, they were already eroded.)
Was no Patriot Act and my library records got checked. How the fuck is that right?
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Carrick your link didn’t work.
Dennis needs to check his facts.
Library records have been examined.
I’m just curious if you’ve got a compelling story where someone was harmed wrongfully. I don’t think there is because we’d be hearing about it.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
And here’s a little back story, which I’m sure that WOOF, engaged in his usual demagoguery, would never try to fill in:
The provision that has attracted the most attention is probably section 215 of the PATRIOT Act. It is commonly referred to as the library records provision, but in fact it ought to be called the business records provision. Suffice it to say, it is a sweeping one. This provision gives law enforcement access to all types of information from video rentals and gun purchases to tax and medical records. In a nutshell, here is how it works.
Under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, FISA--which I have referred to several times already--it is possible for FBI agents to go to a judge and request a secret warrant to obtain business records. The person to whom the records pertain is not informed. This means that if the FBI serves a FISA warrant on a bank or hospital, the bank president or hospital director would know about it, but the customers or patients whose records had been seized would know nothing at all.
Before the PATRIOT Act, if the FBI wanted to get one of these warrants, they had to show a judge specific and articulable facts that the records pertained to a terrorist or a spy. The PATRIOT Act lowered the standard, so now the FBI simply has to assert that the records are, in their view, relevant to a terrorism inquiry.
Section 215 of the Patriot Act was very questionable on a number of grounds in terms of the powers it granted intelligence agencies. I actually agree with Rosie on that one. However, these powers have been limited by later resolutions, see the Wiki article for a reasonably unbiased view on it.
Whistler, I’m not defending or attacking anybody on this one. I am unaware of any abuses, and I think the DOJ has been very cautious in reporting any application of the Patriot Act. FISA provided them with most of the power they really needed, so perhaps S215 was too overarching in that respect.
Anyway, here’s a fixed version of the link. The link notes that DOJ reported zero uses of section 215 to that date at least. But WOOF is right that library records have been accessed, though probably under the original authority of FISA.
2Hotel9, FISA has been around in one form or another since 1979. They had to establish something approaching probable cause. How they got that (maybe from the National Archives records?) is another question.
Thanks Carrick. I’ve read through some of that and I’ll try to finish up about that.
For all of the hue and cry by the left on the Patriot Act they sure don’t come up with examples of where it’s been applied unfairly.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
TW, that’s exactly correct. There aren’t any notable examples of abuses, though the potential (for a while) existed for such.
Most abuses of powers, I’ve noticed, tend to be extralegal in any case. If somebody’s really interested in trampling on your rights, I doubt they’re going to consult a lawyer before they get started.
For all of the hue and cry by the left on the Patriot Act they sure don’t come up with examples of where it’s been applied unfairly.
True. The lefties’ real fear is that their terrorist buddies will get caught.
The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.
People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules. But it most certainly does. All our problems are due to government meddling.
I was doing the legwork for a piece on the societal effects of the Industrial Age on Chinese culture. Draw your own conclusions. 1996-1998 is the timeframe. Exactly who had reason to suppress any type of research concerning China at that juncture?
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The Whistler Said: Thanks Carrick. I’ve read through some of that and I’ll try to finish up about that.
For all of the hue and cry by the left on the Patriot Act they sure don’t come up with examples of where it’s been applied unfairly.
You didn’t get the memo did you? 
Lefties are required to give facts when they argue.
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2H9, given what you were researching, I’d suppose that they were using on the envelope intelligence gathering, and noticed a pattern that they wanted an explanation for.
The fact they talked to you when they did suggests to me they didn’t take it very seriously, but mainly wanted to clear it off their case list. If they were really serious about you, they would have invested a lot more dollars in back story before they got around to talking to you. Or at least that’s my understanding of how these investigations work.
"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That’s why I’m against it.”
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
Woops......I forgot something
The author
Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
People say the darnedest things
“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
Was Dennis talking about these people?
“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”
-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
I take it you’re still upset that we STILL are mired in Kosovo, an illegal war. Heck he didn’t even take it to the UN for approval.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
You guys give up?
How bout one more
“You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.”
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky -Bill Clinton
I figure if the lefties can post off topic quotes why not join them? Contributes just as much to the conversation…
Excuse me, you were saying?
No I just like how Dennis said we should all back our Pres.........
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
I take it you’re still upset that we STILL are mired in Kosovo, an illegal war. Heck he didn’t even take it to the UN for approval.
Whistler,
Come to think of it, I believe Congress twice denied Mr. Clinton an AUF for the Kosovo adventure. Furthermore, If it were not for Kosovo, we might not have suffered the 9-11 attack.
Remember, Murtha told the Clinton White House there would there would be no appropriation for Kosovo unless and until all US forces were withdrawn from Somalia… an action acknowledged by no less an authority on Islamist terrorist than UBL in his ABC interview as having given AQ the “encouragement” for further attacks against US targets because the US was a “paper tiger.”
“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”
Proof
I figure if the lefties can post off topic quotes why not join them? Contributes just as much to the conversation…
I know I got a little off topic but at the beginning of the clip moron Dennis starts talkin how he would stand behind Hillary if she was pres......ya right just like the bozos backed Clinton in Kosovo
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
2H9-er,
Was no Patriot Act and my library records got checked. How the fuck is that right?
Yes, well, in that respect, I agree with Carrick’s statement that extra-legal (that means illegal, not very, very legal) domestic surveillance has been conducted by the U.S. government (ECHELON, MAGIC LANTERN, NSA_KEY, CARNIVORE, etc., etc...) for quite sometime.
The Leftists were quiet as mice when the Klinton administration was doing it, AlGore leading the charge to coordinate with computer, internet and telecom manufacturers and providers to make sure any encryption sold to citizens (they called us civilians) could be cracked, every CPU could be ID’d, and every e-mail could be tracked (see hash).
It’s just that the Left don’t like it when their front organizations, like the Institute for Policy Studies (who were ID’d as consorting with known KGB agents and did the Soviets the courtesy of publishing the location of every nuclear warhead they could possibly find out in the form of a handy map book) gets outed, or get tracked by the FBI’s COINTELPRO program.
THAT’s when they don’t like domestic surveillance.
I just don’t like it when it’s it’s done in complete derogation of the law and there is no more justification than, ‘well, we’re the government and who knows what we’ll find out. “
It needs to be targeted, narrowly tailored, tightly controlled and focused on likely targets (PC anti- profiling be damned)
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I know I got a little off topic but at the beginning of the clip moron Dennis starts talkin how he would stand behind Hillary if she was pres......ya right just like the bozos backed Clinton in Kosovo
The Global War on Terror and the Kosovo war are a bit different don’t you think?
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Good point there Whistler.
Kosovo has no strategic value, Iraq does. MarkD can’t tell the difference.
Yeah but, we were told that it was vital as WW1 started there, kinda.
For those of you too young to remember, that was one of the reasons given at the time.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Move_zig, there are some good points there. Especially the last part “It needs to be targeted, narrowly tailored, tightly controlled and focused on likely targets.”
The intel people say that in many respects the Patriot Act closed loopholes, and increased the reporting requirements for intel operations. So in that respect, it is actually a roll-back from the cowboy days of the Clinton era (e.g., Waco, Elian Gonzales, witness tampering, warrantless search and seizure...). We don’t see that many pictures like this today:
That says something about progress of sorts being made.
TW:
Yeah but, we were told that it was vital as WW1 started there, kinda.
I had forgotten about that lame-ass excuse. What, were they worried that Europe was going to break out in a war again? LOL.
As I remember, the primary reason we were told about going into Kosovo was to prevent “ethnic cleansing”, which I believe was exactly what Saddam was doing in Iraq, but a lot more of it than Milosevic ever did, if indeed he was doing that. I also remember reports of finding(from 30,000 ft) huge mass graves. These reports were used to persuade the American people to approve of Clinton’s invasion of the area, but when we got boots on the ground, no mass graves were ever found that were anywhere near what the Administration claimed. Seems Clinton lied us into war.
Even though the reasoning was similar(with many more reasons to go into Iraq than Kosovo), the MSM coverage has been completely different. Wonder why? BDS, maybe?
The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.
People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules. But it most certainly does. All our problems are due to government meddling.
Seems Clinton lied us into war.
Yes, but it’s OK when Clinton lies. duh.
“Any dog owners here? In New Jersey, they passed a law -your dog cannot bark for more than half an hour or they arrest him and take him downtown. And I’m thinking, if you really want to cut down on irritating disturbances, how about limiting ‘The View’ to half an hour?” -David Letterman
Excuse me, you were saying?
TW
The Global War on Terror and the Kosovo war are a bit different don’t you think?
LOL
Ahh the old “WAR ON TERRA” shit.
Stupid fuck
If we really were fighting a “WAR ON TERRA” wouldn’t Pakistan/Afghanistan be a major front?
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
carrick
Kosovo has no strategic value, Iraq does.
Your right....2/3 oil reserves in the Iraq region, big difference.
Although let’s not forget the strategic value of Camp Bondsteel Link
And this strategic value of Camp Bondsteel Link
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
Afghanistan/Pakistan is a major front of GWoT. Lay down the meth tube and backoff on the cheap liqour, moron.
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MarkD, that second link was pretty hair ball. Right up there with 9/11 truther intellectual puke-up.
It always amazes me the extent to which socialists will twist and turn the truth to try and get it to fit into their obsolete world view.
You do realize Bondsteel is hell and gone far away from the Caspian, and far as I know it sits astride no major petroleum pipelines from that direction.
Whats your point?
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I had forgotten about that lame-ass excuse. What, were they worried that Europe was going to break out in a war again? LOL.
Well if the heir to the Hapsburg empire and his wife were to be murdered by the Serbian Black Hand then we certainly could have expected trouble.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
For people that didn’t follow Mark’s link, it laughingly suggests that the Kosovo base is there to control Caspian oil. I suppose MarkD thinks that a military base 1500 miles from the Caspianis of more strategic value than say the bases we have in Iraq that are less than 500 miles away? LOL
It’s that tired old leftie crap about “war for oil”. As if that would be a bad thing. They even tried it with Vietnam, claiming we were really there to get the oil in the Mekong Delta.
Lefties lie; it’s all they have.
The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.
People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules. But it most certainly does. All our problems are due to government meddling.
Ahh the old “WAR ON TERRA” shit.
Stupid fuck
If we really were fighting a “WAR ON TERRA” wouldn’t Pakistan/Afghanistan be a major front?
From Stratfor:
Pakistani security forces have detained a high-ranking Taliban leader in Quetta, Reuters reported March 1, citing a senior Pakistani official and Taliban sources. Mullah Obaidullah Akhund is the first senior Taliban leader caught by Pakistan since the militia was driven out of Afghanistan in 2001.
Akhund, the most senior Taliban leader captured to date, was the former Defense Minister and third in command prior to the toppling of the Taliban government by the US.
Apparently, the warnings issued by Vice President Dick Cheney this week to Pakistani President Musharef that the US had run out of patience, have paid off.
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Rob,
Do you have the Moonbat Grail Lamp turned on again?
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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”
Funny as hell, Rodney. Unlike you, when there are moonbats around, I always assume the spew warning is in effect!
It’s that tired old leftie crap about “war for oil” As if that would be a bad thing. They even tried it with Vietnam, claiming we were really there to get the oil in the Mekong Delta.
I was going to say the same thing. As if there was a bunch of oil there to get.
You’d think the lefties would be original once in a while.
Note to loonbats. If we were there to take the oil we would have taken Kuwait’s.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
If we were there to take the oil we would have taken Kuwait’s.
Good point, TW! As if facts matter to lefties.
The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.
People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules. But it most certainly does. All our problems are due to government meddling.
I just hope they don’t find out that the Revolutionary war was about control of the Pennsylvania oil fields.
And the Civil war was about who was going to control the oil on Jed Clampett’s mountain.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
heh, my Dad spent 6 months living in a shed at Bondsteel. I’ll have to ask him if he realizes that we were there for oil.
Although let’s not forget the strategic value of Camp Bondsteel Link
Hey dumbass, you do realize the Clinton got us into Kosovo don’t you?
That’s gonna be my new slogan against Hillary: “No war for oil!!!”
2h
Afghanistan/Pakistan is a major front of GWoT
So if that’s a major front, what would the fiasco in Iraq be called?
GWoT...Iraq???
Are we safer or have we created more extremist who want to do harm to the US?
Has our alliance with the rest of the world increased or decreased?
Has the Military Industrialize Complex grown in strength?
What is the “strategic value” in Iraq?
Will the war profiteers continue to profit for decades to come?
Follow the money boy’s....
If we were there to take the oil we would have taken Kuwait’s
Idiots
obviously you have never researched into contracts or upstream relations of Saudi and Kuwait oil.
“Fascism is capitalism in decay.”
- Vladimir Lenin
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
Dmark,
Your ignorance is showing.
The Great War on Terror, viewed by a competent historian (or competent military historian) will be related as a series of campaings overlapping in space and time against an amorphous enemy NGO.
Some of the campaigns are closely coupled, some less so.
I’d go on, but I have good reason to believe that I am casting pearls of reason before a swine of selective reality.
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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”
“Fascism is capitalism in decay.”
- Vladimir Lenin
Another leftie liar heard from. Fascism is the modus operandi of the American Left.
The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.
People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules. But it most certainly does. All our problems are due to government meddling.
robert108
Another leftie liar heard from. Fascism is the modus operandi of the American Left.
Oh really.....
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
Are we safer or have we created more extremist who want to do harm to the US?
Only in the mind of a liberal does defending oneself against extremists make for more extremist enemies. (We already knew it makes for liberal enemies.) We are suppose to understand and compromise and accomodate and make concessions and then they will see our good intentions and then they will be our freinds.. blah blah blah....
Fascism is an economic/political system as opposed to Communism and Capitalism.
In Communism or Socialism the state owns everything. This is a very inefficient system as when everybody owns something nobody does. Nobody has an incentive to maintain or reap the rewards from property.
In Fascism individuals may own private property, but the government has unlimited ability to direct that private property. Fascism would be a better system than Communism because the owners of the property have an interest in maintaining and benefiting from that property.
In Capitalism the property is owned by the individual and people are free to use that property as they wish.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
TW
Obviously you did not click on the link.
Visit the site and then prove to me we are not a fascist state
“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08
prove to me we are not a fascist state -says the man who quotes Lenin
Typical leftist! I can’t argue my own points, so click on this link and refute their points to MY satisfaction!
Excuse me, you were saying?
Gents,
Sorry, I’ve been away—very busy week, and it’s still not over.
Clinton interceded on the wrong side at Kosovo. Moreover, I can see no legal justification for intervening in Kosovo—there was no vital US interest at stake and none of our allies was attacked. It was an attack, not on a separatist movement, but on an established government. While not lilly-white, there was nothing there legally that justified our intervention on either side.
Those Leftists who ached for the victims of Dafur, the victims in Rwanda, the old pottery in Iraq and the Albanian Kosovars were are the same time the ones never to pick up a rifle or stand a post. Maybe they should have formed a Brigade of Volunteers, like the did during the Spanish Civil War, rather than ask some fresh-faced American boy to die for their nuanced feelings of internationalist guilt.
It was the KLA/UCK side that we intervened on, one that has been involved with Bin Laden, drug smuggling, forced sex slavery, rape and murder. I wonder if ABLE DANGER made any ties to Islamic terrorism to that region and our part in the conflict, and the fact that Clinton could have taken out an Islamic figurehead or two, but chose not to.
The answer may be blowing in the wind ... after having been stuffed down Sandy Burglar’s socks and pants.
At any rate, the American public, I am certain, were never given the true scoop as to what was taking place there, and for some reason, digging up the truth in that region evokes a concert of yawns.
Besides, Zsa Zsa needs an avatar…
...for great justice
If you look to Rosie and the “View” to develope an opinion on politics, then you are already an idiot anyway.
So what’s the point of a debate?
When did Rosie earn a degree in anything significant?
egads
TW
Obviously you did not click on the link.
Once again you are wrong.
[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
