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Monday, January 29, 2007

Dennis Kucinich Calls For Some 9/11 Truth

An interesting bit of video from the Age of Hooper:

Fast forward to about 1:30 to see Kucinich say that his plan is to “tell the truth” about 9/11.  I wonder what 9/11 truth that would be?  Because the only truth of 9/11 that I know of is the fact that a bunch of Islamic zealots crashed some planes into some buildings.  Sure Rep. Kucinich, chairman of a House sub-committee on domestic policy, isn’t suggesting that 9/11 was some sort of government or Bush administration conspiracy is he?

Because that’s certainly what it sounds like.

I wonder when Rep. Kucinich’s fellow Democrats will be holding him responsible for making such a foul insinuation in his speech to the anti-war loons this weekend?  Maybe someone should ask him to explain what he meant, and if he does mean that 9/11 was an inside job ask him what evidence he has to support that theory.

I’m serious.  Kucinich is a sitting member of the House of Representatives, and his fellow Democrats have him running an important subcommittee on domestic policy.  He has made a serious accusation concerning the 9/11 attacks, and I think that deserves some attention.  But I’m not expecting the Democrats to give it much.  Just like they ignored the 9/11 “truther” who ran on their party’s ticket for the House down in Florida this last electin.

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For some reason, the sight of Dennis Kucinich surrounded by a sea of pink kinda detracts from the notion of him as a strong and determined leader.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on January 29, 2007 at 10:09 pm
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IS THE NATION GOING SANE?

The Nation: Letters from readers on 9/11

I wonder if Bush’s more and more evident insistence on all war all the time is making some people reevaluate their position on 911.
--Ronald
http://desip.igc.org

The Nation
This article can be found on the web at
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070205/letter

Letters
by OUR READERS

[from the February 5, 2007 issue]

9/11: THE JURY’S STILL OUT

“9/11: The Roots of Paranoia” by Christopher Hayes (Dec. 25) drew more mail than almost any Nation article in memory, except perhaps on the JFK assassination. Letters ran the gamut from the enraged (canceled subscriptions, charges of Nation stonewalling, anger at the use of the term “paranoia") to the complimentary ("My thanks to Mr. Hayes for trying to chart a middle road between credulity and paranoia"). But almost all agree that we don’t know the whole story of what happened on September 11, 2001.

http://bleiersblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/nation-letters-from-readers-on-911.html

Chris Rose:
you hear that?
it’s the sound of a huge, massive, disinfo ship changing direction. this is a good sign--we now know never to trust the Nation or any other pseudo alternative news source, but they still want to try to preserve some credibility. this is a great victory, let’s keep the heat on these buggers!

Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5761#comment

Myra99 on January 29, 2007 at 11:19 pm
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Kucinich is right to suggest it was an inside job.

This administration’s Reichstag. 

Stop nursing your mother’s breast and wake up to the truth.

KucinichFan on January 30, 2007 at 01:26 am

It is obvious you are a fan of Kucinich, you are as dumb as bed post.

“Reichstag” is essentially the German word for parliament. Or the name of the building where they convened. And not only that it was a part of the German government long before the Nazi’s existed. But of course I doubt you’ve ever read a history book or can even fathom that history extends prior to the 2000 elections. You dipshit.

Mr. Mxyzptlk on January 30, 2007 at 01:49 am

It is obvious you are a fan of Kucinich, you are as dumb as bed post.

Mr. Mxyzptlk: First I must upbraid you for insulting bed posts everywhere!
Secondly, Kucinich is a serious Democratic candidate for president. He seriously brings to the Democratic party what they need most...comic relief!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 05:23 am
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Why would anyone have a problem investigating what happened on 9-11. We are fighting a war with Iraq have you though about the fact they din’t have any ties to 9-11 comspiracy or not the truth about who, what, how and why would not be out of line.
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Wake Up on January 30, 2007 at 06:16 am

I wonder what they are going to do when the find out GWB is not in the running? Bless their hearts, they are so stupid…

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 06:19 am
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I always find it hilarious to listen to Reich wing nut bags like you people here.

There are literally 100s of very strong pieces of evidence that shows irrefutably that this administration is guilty of planning and executing 9/11, yet you set there with blinders on and all you can say in defense of your ignorance is “if he does mean that 9/11 was an inside job ask him what evidence he has to support that theory”.

You are suffering from severe Cognitive Dissonance and if you don’t know what this evidence is then it only means that you flatly refuse to accept it and no amount of listing the hundreds of pieces of evidence will make any difference.

Nunyabiz on January 30, 2007 at 06:20 am
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Leftwing stupidity, reality calling leftwing stupidity, please come round up your morons, they are cluttering up our world. Thank you.

Wifey on January 30, 2007 at 06:26 am

Nunyabiz… IF you really believe that? You are suffering from a Severe Psychotic disorder!  Go Away!

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 06:31 am

Speculation and conjecture is not evidence.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on January 30, 2007 at 07:23 am

Is this a repost from 2004?  Kucinich has been claiming that we destroyed the towers since his candidacy.

We had a bunch of loons defending Dennis during the ‘04 presidential race then, too.

Nunyabiz - The word “irrefutable” means “cannot be refuted”.  I refute the “evidence” that you state “proves” that the US government took out the trade towers.  Thus, you cannot use “irrefutable” in your sentence.

I’ve heard much of the “evidence” and flatly dismiss it as lunacy. 

But, according to you, the US probably didn’t go to the moon either, right?

Seth Yantiss on January 30, 2007 at 10:51 am
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This is great--did anyone else hear Hugh Hewitt interview Kucinich?  It was hilarious but sad; the poor man couldn’t give a straight answer to any of Hugh’s questions.  (might be able to find it on “radioblogger,” linked via http://www.hughhewitt.com)

So here’s one of Hugh’s questions that maybe some of our resident leftists might want to answer; Ahmendinajab, Iran’s leader, denies that the Holocaust occurred and desires to destroy Israel and the United States with nuclear weapons that he’d promised not to try to acquire a few years back.  Can you negotiate with such a man?

Robert Perry on January 30, 2007 at 02:24 pm
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Why would anyone have a problem investigating what happened on 9-11.

Because there already was an investigation, it was called the 9/11 Commission.  The people demanding a new “investigation” already have their “answers” they just want a taxpayer funded platform to spread their ludicrous anti-American theories.  Hell No!

ConsDemo on January 30, 2007 at 03:28 pm

Yea! Hell No!… HA!

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 03:31 pm

The lefty 9/11 conspirators - stuck on empty..  Still prattling their inanities looking for converts and/or unwilling to admit hat they are wrong and are beating a very dead horse.  I’d tell you to get over it but I realize that if you are deeply embroiled in this fantasy, you probably don’t have energy for mischief elsewhere.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on January 30, 2007 at 04:09 pm

We haven’t come close to revealing, of all things, the Clinton administration’s hand in 9/11.  Thanks to thousands of destroyed White House e-mails, and down pants-and-socks memos and the destruction of evidence by Sandy Berger, we may never know.

The People Magazine crowd will long have forgotten the indicia of Al-Quaeda and Bin Laden links brought out by Able Danger and by looking at what took place and who the players were in the Balkans.


...for great justice

Move_Zig on January 30, 2007 at 04:37 pm

There is a conspiracy to hide the “truth” of 9/11. The fact that there is no proof of such a conspiracy is proof of just how good a conspiracy it really is!

-Moonbat Emeritus


Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 05:07 pm

I wouldn’t doubt if Hillary and Bills first over night guest in the Lincoln bedroom will be Sandy Berger! ( alias Sandy Burgular) ... Too bad Arafat is dead! Oh well, maybe they could ask John Edwards over to channel him up???

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 06:05 pm
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One typical sign of disinfo is posters who ridicule, make fun of other posters or their arguements without actually arguing the data. The current plethora of evidence supporting the premise that the elements of the government were complicit in 9/11 is overwhelming. Arguing the data and the logic is simply beyond them. And they don’t really want a discussion to go there because they are then at a profound disadvantage.

But if there are any legit critics - which I seriously doubt, they, for starters, may wish to revisit 10th grade physics with special emphasis upon the laws of conservation of momentum and gravity. Which in and of themselves lay havoc to the absurd administration conspiracy theory that 19 box-cutter-carrying Muslims were responsible for the demolishing of WTC 1, 2 & 7. From the the direct physics we can move on to the FEMA and NIST reports.... and what they actually said and what they did not say. Then the 911 Commission Report (joke), and on to NORAD’s inexplicable failure to respond to ‘hijacked’ planes… and then on to the 15 war-related exercises going on that very day. How conincidental? How convenient? And then on to the many other events of that day, all of which, point to government involvement.

Yes, the shills and disinfo folks can ridicule all they want but they cannot argue data. One can only hope that they use Chertoff’s Pop Mech articles, or Garcia’s idiotic ‘critque’ as part of their arguments. All of which have been thoroughly debunked. But, as I said, the strategy of the shill is to engage in ridicule and ad hominem arguments. Thus, their willingness to engage in rational argumentation is somewhat curtailed.

medicis on January 30, 2007 at 06:19 pm

medicis...You are so stupid!

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 06:33 pm

One typical sign of disinfo is posters who ridicule, make fun of other posters or their arguements without actually arguing the data. The current plethora of evidence supporting the premise that the elements of the government were complicit in 9/11 is overwhelming.

Maybe if they didn’t intersperse their moonbattery with words like “plethora” they wouldn’t make such easy targets! A plethora of targets!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 06:36 pm

Ha ha HA ha Ha Ha hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa!.....

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 06:39 pm

Actually, medicis, we make fun of you because you’ve proven yourselves immune to logical arguments and the only two responses are to laugh or to cry!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 06:40 pm

Proof...I laughed so hard I cried…

Zsa Zsa on January 30, 2007 at 06:54 pm

See! Both responses! : )



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 07:04 pm
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I believe you all proved my points quite nicely. Good going guys or gals as the case may be. As Bugs Bunny used to say, “What Maroons!”

medicis on January 30, 2007 at 08:22 pm

As Bugs Bunny used to say, “What Maroons!”

Finally! medicis quotes one of his sources!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 08:42 pm
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Medicis,

Stop for a second and consider how much money the authors of the 9/11 conspiracy are raking in on the backs of dupes like yourself.

HG on January 30, 2007 at 08:44 pm

med, you have points?  Certainly couldn’t tell from your rambling post.  Taken as a whole I suppose you did have the simple singular insane point that all 9/11 conspirators have which is that our government deliberately destroyed the WTC and parts of the Pentagon to justify the wars, and how stupid everybody is that doesn’t believe that.  Well, I believe that the world is flat, flat as the top of your head which obviously is incapable of rational reasoning.  Have a nice day… Help is only a phone call away.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on January 30, 2007 at 08:50 pm
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Think about it medicis.  The 9/11 conspiracy theorists are the real conspirators, and that medicis, is the real conspiracy.

HG on January 30, 2007 at 08:52 pm

I find it amazing that the government can murder thousands of its citizens with an airtight conspiracy so that George Bush can attack Iraq, which he wanted to do since the first day he hit the White House, and yet he can’t manage to plant a smoking gun to accuse Saddam, so he has to attack Afghanistan instead!!!!!!  Maroons indeed!

And they wonder why we make fun of them!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 30, 2007 at 09:06 pm
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Interesting. You have continued to prove my points. Perhaps I should add to my list of disinf/shill traits, ‘the inability to learn from experience’. It is, quite frankly, interesting how apt my original description was.

I had been told how really easy you all were. I didn’t believe it. I had to see for myself. Simply amazing.

Once in a while, a dip into the inane (e.g., you all as representative of the sayanythingblog) is very revealing. Have a good night. You have been most entertaining.

Medicis on January 30, 2007 at 09:07 pm

I have always suspected you guys were easy!…

Zsa Zsa on January 31, 2007 at 06:18 am
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The question is, Zsa Zsa, are you? ‘Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...’

medicis on January 31, 2007 at 06:55 am
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Let me get this straight; the Mafia has more or less been shut down because people eventually couldn’t abide their conscience after seeing people plan a single murder.  However, the U.S. government, famous for the competence shown by Amtrak, the government schools, and the Post Office, somehow managed to plot the brutal murders of thousands, and not a single person has spoken up from the inside?

Medicis, there’s a little principle to be had here; never assume malice when stupidity is a sufficient explanation.  Yes, it’s stupid not to have a few fighters flying, “just in case.” That was, however, the case for all Pacific air bases on December 7, 1941.  As P.T. Barnum noted, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public--not to mention the government.

Robert Perry on January 31, 2007 at 08:35 am
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The ‘stupidity’ or ‘competence’ argument is a ‘limited hangout’ (look it up). Those are ‘disinfo’ arguments. The neocons have accomplished much of what they set out to do. Very competently, I might add. Check out the Presidential ‘signing statements’..... for a thrill. Find a contradiction to the previous assertion....  And it has been well argued that the original Pearl Harbor was a false flag. Very compellingly. Why were there fifteen war games going on during the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ - on 9/11? What are the odds? Several million to one? What a coincidence! Those of you who are not disinfo shills (because they know all this already) are incredibly naive. Good Luck in the NWO..

btw, Zsa Zsa, are you? Wink, Wink, Nudge Nudge......

medicis on January 31, 2007 at 07:23 pm

Oh my gosh that is funny! Hhhhhhhaaaaa! ...I’ll never tell.

Zsa Zsa on January 31, 2007 at 07:36 pm
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Oh..... come on. You can tell. It is but a small admission. Heaven knows, Mrs. Allison.....(er, excuse me, Ms. Zsa Zsa), you may be perfectly the......’wink’

Medicis on January 31, 2007 at 07:48 pm

disinfo shills

Very good. medicis! You can make up words!
Let me try...Conspiramoron. Leftroll. Factophobe. Plethoracrap.  Gee! This is fun!

medicis: If you are not a Conspiramoron (and actually believe that crap) you are incredibly naive (or both).



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on January 31, 2007 at 07:57 pm
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Oh, come on ‘Proof’ (of what, we only wonder), I was talking to Zsa Zsa, not you. Perhaps you have some interest in involving yourself in ‘affairs’ which do not concern you. You are so easy. But, unfortunately of the wrong gender..... yes?

medicis on January 31, 2007 at 08:07 pm
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I am so sorry Zsa Zsa, I must retire. Too many patients to see tomorrow. To sleep only to dream of you. Ah, if only. Be well beloved.

medicis on January 31, 2007 at 08:19 pm

A more literate troll, to be sure, though only a troll in the end.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on January 31, 2007 at 08:38 pm
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A parting gift… a non sequitur, if you will....... (since Zsa Zsa is denied to me....)

Tune into the Da Vinci coda
LEIGHTON BRUCE

ROSSLYN Chapel holds many secrets. For hundreds of years experts and visitors alike have puzzled over the carvings in the chapel. Whilst some debate whether they point to hidden treasure, Edinburgh composer Stuart Mitchell thinks he has cracked one part of the enigma.

He believes that the ornate ceiling of carved arches, featuring 213 decorated cubes holds a code for medieval music. His father Thomas Mitchell spent 20 years cracking this code in the ceiling and now Stuart is orchestrating the findings for a new recording called The Rosslyn Motet.

They hope that the music, when played on medieval instruments in situ, will resonate throughout the chapel unlocking a secret in the stone.

The breakthrough to interpreting the notation came when Mitchell’s father discovered that the markings carved on the face of the cubes seem to match a phenomenon called Cymatics or Chladni patterns. Chladni patterns form when a sustained note is used to vibrate a sheet of metal covered in powder producing marks. The frequency used dictates the shape of the pattern, for example; the musical note A below middle C vibrates at 440 KHz and produces a shape that looks like a rhombus. Different notes can produce various shapes including flowers, diamonds and hexagons - shapes all present on the Rosslyn cubes. Stuart Mitchell believes this is “beyond coincidence” and has assigned a note to each cube.

Ernst Chladni first documented the phenomenon in the late 18th century - yet it appears to be present in a 15th century building. Which begs the question: “Was Sir William St Clair (the man who built Rosslyn Chapel) familiar with sciences far in advance of his time?”.

Stuart Mitchell believes a link between the Knights Templar – who may have gleaned advanced Eastern scientific knowledge during their stay in Jerusalem during the Crusades – and Rosslyn could explain the encoded musical notes.

“The symbolism in Rosslyn is reaching back to times of a civilisation that is lost to us now that had sciences that are the roots of all the mechanics of the universe,” says Mitchell.

If this science was used in the carvings at Rosslyn, then there needs to be an explanation of how this information came to be lost for centuries. According to Mitchell, the Church suppressed the knowledge as a means of controlling the public. “What it points towards is the church system denying people certain knowledge because knowledge is awareness. People who knew too much were burnt as witches.”

According to Mitchell this is a Chladni pattern - a way of showing a musical note by way of its vibrations.

Interestingly the Devil’s Chord - diabolus in musica - makes an appearance in the music.

“In the ceiling is this jump of an augmented fourth, in fact it opens up with an augmented fourth,” says Mitchell. The Catholic Church had banned this interval (seven semitones) from medieval music as it was believed to be disturbing and therefore diabolical. Perhaps St Clair was indeed challenging the authority of the church.

The music itself, according to Mitchell is a mix “of Celtic melodies and secular worship crossed with a kind of Christian worship” but not Catholic he says. Perhaps this explains why carvings depicting the green man, essentially a pagan image, exist alongside carvings of Christ in the chapel.

“[Orkney] and the Shetlands had a very big druid, pagan community and they had their own culture of music,” says Mitchell. “William St Clair was the last Earl of Orkney and some of the melodies in the ceiling of Rosslyn Chapel are Orkney/Shetland Airs.”

Mitchell doesn’t believe that the notes were carved there simply to record a piece of music. He hopes that the repeated frequencies in the music will resonate within the building and unlock a medieval secret.

“Hopefully, knowing masons of this period of time were aware of the acoustic properties and the effect of resonance upon stone, we’re hoping something falls loose… it’s like a safe. This is why we think he [St Clair] has gone to so much trouble.”

Mitchell has no idea what may be hidden in the church, but believes that St Clair used advanced science to ensure that the music was hidden from prying eyes.

Mitchell, dubbing the project “The Voice of Creation”, says the carvings on the cubes are ultimately about sacred geometry.

“What it’s saying is we’ve forgotten more than we know.”

Perhaps the music is indeed a key to the past, the physics of the universe and just maybe, played loud enough inside Rosslyn, it will unlock a long lost secret hidden in the masonry.

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ahhh, Zsa Zsa, I still yearn for thee.......where hast thou gone? , beloved…

medicis on January 31, 2007 at 08:45 pm

Here is the type of flawed thinking that manufactures its own “evidence” to support its own “magical conclusions”:

Tune into the Da Vinci coda
LEIGHTON BRUCE

...experts and visitors alike have puzzled over the carvings in the chapel. Whilst some debate whether they point to hidden treasure, Edinburgh composer Stuart Mitchell thinks he has cracked one part of the enigma. 

He believes

They hope

...seem to match…

...believes this is “beyond coincidence"…

...it appears to be present…

...believes a link…

...could explain the encoded musical notes. 

If this science was used in the carvings at Rosslyn, then there needs to be an explanation of how this information came to be lost for centuries.
According to Mitchell, the Church suppressed the knowledge as a means of controlling the public. “What it points towards is the church system denying people certain knowledge because knowledge is awareness. People who knew too much were burnt as witches.” Now the necessary conspiracy to explain all the guessing and believing and hoping as truth, instead of the speculation and imagination it really is.

According to Mitchell… Now the guesser becomes the expert.

Perhaps this explains… Or perhaps not.

Mitchell doesn’t believe that the notes were carved there simply to record a piece of music. He hopes that the repeated frequencies in the music will
resonate within the building and unlock a medieval secret. There is nothing to support this conclusion other than hope and belief, but now it’s regarded as having some substance. Still no evidence of anything, just speculation and imagination.

“Hopefully… we’re hoping…

This is why we think…

Mitchell has no idea what may be hidden in the church, but believes…
Mitchell, dubbing the project “The Voice of Creation”, says the carvings
on the cubes are ultimately about sacred geometry. Even though he has “no idea”.

“What it’s saying is we’ve forgotten more than we know.” Or maybe it’s just a piece of music, or even just some artistic symbols.

Perhaps the music is indeed a key to the past, the physics of the universe and just maybe, played loud enough inside Rosslyn, it will unlock a long
lost secret hidden in the masonry.

Or perhaps it’s simply a wishful fantasy by some people who are looking for something to justify their agenda.

This is a typical process used by conspiracy theorists to justify their fantasies, like Y2K, and the 9/11 “conspiracy”.  They start with an agenda, and weave a fable composed of suppositions, hopes, dreams and guesses, then claim to have “evidence”.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on January 31, 2007 at 10:33 pm

I wouldn’t call these conspiracy theorist nuts, lefties. The brainwashing power of religion is enough to explain why those people flew the planes into the towers. The hijackers most probably believed that they would actually go to a paradise (with 72 virgins waiting for them).


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 31, 2007 at 10:52 pm

medicis said, One typical sign of disinfo is posters who ridicule, make fun of other posters or their arguements without actually arguing the data.

And then goes on to call people “shills”, “disinfo folks”, “maroons”, “easy”, “inane” and “incredibly naive”.

The evidence is clear - medicis is engaging in disinfo.

likwidshoe on February 1, 2007 at 01:46 am

Too many patients to see tomorrow.

medicis: As you look around and see your fellow patients, wave out the asylum window so we know it’s you!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on February 1, 2007 at 04:21 am

Proof, I was thinking that same thing ... Creepy!

Zsa Zsa on February 1, 2007 at 04:33 am

The brainwashing power of religion is enough to explain why those people flew the planes into
the towers.

One glaring omission by you: it wasn’t “religion”, it was Islam.  The only other religion that requires the same unquestioning allegiance to the core ideology, and which punishes any deviation from that ideology is the religion of collectivism, which demands absolute adherence to its economic, social and political system, with death as the punishment for non-allegiance(Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot).
As far as “religion” being the source of it, there are no Hindus, Christians or Buddhists(or any other religion other than Islam) flying planes into buildings, launching rockets at civilian targets, and strapping bombs onto children, so your position is garbage.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 1, 2007 at 07:17 am

I have several friends & family who are liberal, sad to say. Nevertheless, many of them are like lambs to the slaughter and actually Believe much of the garbage because it was on the News. They don’t even question the Michael Moores or the fictional Jimmy Carters etc, of the world???? Very sad and quite scary!

Zsa Zsa on February 1, 2007 at 07:35 am

They don’t even question the Michael Moores or the fictional Jimmy Carters etc, of the world???? Very sad and quite scary!

Their religion demands unquestioning allegiance.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 1, 2007 at 07:42 am

The only other religion that requires the same unquestioning allegiance to the core ideology, and which punishes any deviation from that ideology is the religion of collectivism

There are others as well though one might not call them religions.  For instance try arguing against abortion to almost any women and regardless how they feel about abortion itself are very stiff=necked in the support of ‘womans rights’.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on February 1, 2007 at 09:01 am

Doc...What do you mean? I feel very fortunate to live in a country where women have the same basic rights as men. I am pleased to have the right to vote and be educated. AND I am pleased as punch to be allowed to walk down the street without having to cover my face and entire body for fear of being beaten to death because some man might find me offensive. Personally I don’t believe I have the “Right” to take a life, just because it happens to be inside my body. AND certainly I don’t believe I have a “Right” just because some Ignorant Supreme Court Judges decided I could. AND based it on a theory that until 3 months later this thing growing inside me was a glob of cells! AND now the Technology is out that now Proves what I always knew.

Zsa Zsa on February 1, 2007 at 09:51 am

whoa, Zsa, I didn’t write anything specifically opposing womens rights and certainly not about your rights as a women but thanks for proving my point anyway.  What I was trying to say perhaps quite badly is that in my experience most women associate abortion with a womens right of CHOICE.  While like you they may not be in favor of abortion they will defend it as one of a womens choices in women rights.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on February 1, 2007 at 10:36 am

HA! That was my point, Doc. I wondered if you thought I was being grouchy? Ha ha! You are so funny!

Zsa Zsa on February 1, 2007 at 10:40 am

dd: Abortion is one of the sacraments of the religion of collectivism. As such, it must be practiced as often as possible, by as many as possible, and anyone who doesn’t support that is persecuted.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 1, 2007 at 04:58 pm

dd: Abortion is one of the sacraments of the religion of collectivism.

Abortion is actually the sacrament of the feminist church.

likwidshoe on February 1, 2007 at 05:30 pm
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Naw, not a troll. Just a doc having fun slumming among the great unwashed right wing. Have good lives all, for the few years remaining. Here boys and girls, an article to warm the cockles of your hearts. http://www.mountainsentinel.com/content/eatingfossilfuels.pdf

adios

Medicis on February 1, 2007 at 07:08 pm
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Did you know that only 16% of Americans believe that the United States government is telling the truth about the September 11th, 2001 attacks? Judging from the comments left on this page, it appears that the 16% hangs out here!

If only 16% believe something to be true, then are they not the conspiracy nuts since they are not the status quo?

The September 11th, 2001 attacks were an inside job! There is no question about it!

I have a profile on MySpace.com with a HUGE amount of videos and information that not only says 9/11 was an inside job, but practically proves it was an inside job!

They’re not telling the truth about the JKF assassination either. Check out Bill O’Reilly’s JFK conspiracy video! Yeah, that really is Bill O’Reilly in that video!!! Hahaha!!!

If I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes, I don’t think you could have convinced me that Bill O’Reilly made a JFK video! Bill O’Reilly must surely have been corrupted by Sauron!!! What else can explain the transition to the Bill O’Reilly of today?

Laughing aside, what Bill O’Reilly said in his video goes right along with the following video, which is the best documentary that I have seen about the JFK conspiracy!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031

This video points the finger directly at George H. W. Bush and it also says George W. Bush is likely involved in the death of John F. Kennedy, Jr.

The people that I have spoken with about this told me that they have felt this to be true for a long time!

FightForYourRights on April 5, 2007 at 12:35 am

Fight, You and all your conspiratory friends are complete idiots and our country would be better off without you.  Really why are you still here considering your disdain for our government?  I’m sure you would be welcomed in any Islamic nation.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on April 5, 2007 at 02:11 am

Now DD, don’t pick on the mentally retarded teenager! It has learned to type, and that is at least something. Itspace is populated with mental midgets, the glowing products of leadpaint eating and substandard public education.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 5, 2007 at 04:06 am

The people that I have spoken with about this told me that they have felt this to be true

Feelings! Whoa-o-oah, Feelings!
Now, engage the thinking part of your mind and leave childish things behind…



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on April 5, 2007 at 05:15 am

I “feel” it would be a service to humanity to sterilize and lobotomize all conspiracy theory morons. How do y’all “feel” about that?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 5, 2007 at 02:32 pm

I “feel” it would be a service to humanity to sterilize and lobotomize all conspiracy theory morons.

2H9: If you lobotomized all conspiracy theory morons, how would you notice a difference?



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on April 5, 2007 at 02:43 pm

Good point!

And yet I “feel” trivialized and degraded by your callous and heartless marginalization of my “feelings”.

Damn! That was hard to write. How do people go through their lives thinking like that? No wonder their brains are all screwed up.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 5, 2007 at 03:01 pm

2Hotel9, Proof… I don’t think they have brains???

Zsa Zsa on April 5, 2007 at 03:50 pm

How do people go through their lives thinking
like that?

2H, if those nutcases had a rational thought they would not be as they are because the absurdity of their claims would be obvious to them.  No, they don’t think but let others do their thinking for them.

If the majority follow their lead, our nation is doomed.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on April 5, 2007 at 04:02 pm
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