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Tuesday, November 22, 2005

Demonstrating The Will To Lose

Mark Steyn:

In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat. The latter's easier. Just say, whoa, we're the world's pre-eminent power but we can't handle an unprecedently low level of casualties, so if you don't mind we'd just as soon get off at the next stop.

Demonstrating the will to lose as clearly as America did in Vietnam wasn't such a smart move, but since the media can't seem to get beyond this ancient jungle war it may be worth underlining the principal difference: Osama is not Ho Chi Minh, and al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die - in foreign embassies, barracks, warships, as they did through the Nineties, and eventually on the streets of US cities, too.

As 9/11 fades into the past, that's an increasingly hard argument to make. Taking your ball and going home is a seductive argument in a paradoxical superpower whose inclinations on the Right have a strong isolationist streak and on the Left a strong transnational streak - which is isolationism with a sappy face and biennial black-tie banquets in EU capitals. Transnationalism means poseur solutions - the Kyotification of foreign policy.

So, just as things are looking up on the distant, eastern front, they're wobbling badly on the home front. Anti-Bush Continentals who would welcome a perceived American defeat in Iraq ought to remember the third front in this war: Europe is both a home front and a foreign battleground - as the Dutch have learnt, watching the land of the bicycling Queen transformed into 24-hour armed security for even minor municipal officials. In this war, for Europeans the faraway country of which they know little turns out to be their own. Much as the Guardian and Le Monde would enjoy it, an America that turns its back on the world is the last thing you need.


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Osama is not Ho Chi Minh, and al-Qa’eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they’ll follow. And Americans will die - in foreign embassies, barracks, warships, as they did through the Nineties, and eventually on the streets of US cities, too.

I happen to believe that there are significant differences between the Vietnam and Iraq conflicts but I still don’t believe that victory in Iraq means too much in the Global War on Terror.

MikeAdamson on November 22, 2005 at 02:11 pm
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MikeAdamson:

I still don’t believe that victory in Iraq means too much in the Global War on Terror.

Actually, if it achieves the goal of bringing about democratic reform in the middle east, the ramifications on the Global War on Terror could be huge.  Indeed, it may be the only way to win the war.

Carrick on November 22, 2005 at 02:12 pm
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Carrick...you are right in the broad sense of course but I’m thinking more in the shorter term. I also have difficulty seeing this as a first step towards a democratic Middle East but I’m not always right in my outlook.

MikeAdamson on November 22, 2005 at 02:12 pm
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So if establishing a democracy in what was formerly one of the most oppressed nations in the middle east isn’t a good first step toward exporting democracy to that region...what is?


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Rob on November 24, 2005 at 08:12 am
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Rob...if democracy is established in Iraq then it is indeed a good first step.

MikeAdamson on November 24, 2005 at 10:11 am
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A representative form of government period would be a good first step. Iraq was making reforms and expanding the role of citizen involvement in government in the ‘50s. Then they got dragged down the prim rose path of socialism/fascism. I hope they make it out the other side, every Iraqi I ever knew I liked. Hate to see good people sucked back into the left’s cesspool.

2Hotel9 on November 24, 2005 at 10:12 am
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Rob…if democracy is established in Iraq then it is indeed a good first step.

Ok then.  This comment from you threw me off:

I also have difficulty seeing this as a first step towards a democratic Middle East but I’m not always right in my outlook.

I guess I’m still having a hard time seeing why you’re so pessimistic, though.  The Iraqis have had two national elections.  Democracy isn’t a pipe dream there, it is already taking place.  And lets not forget the ripple effect it has had in the middle east.

Remember Lebanon?


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