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Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Democrats: You’re Rich If You Make $75,000/Year but Poor If You Make $295,000/Year

Can anyone say “cognitive dissonance?”

On one hand, we have Barack Obama drawing the line between rich and middle class at families who make $75,000 or more — a surprise to those who find themselves above that line, most of whom consider themselves solidly middle class. At the same time, we have New Jersey’s Democrat-run state government setting the poverty line for children’s health-insurance subsidies at … $295,000.

Ponder that for a moment.  When the liberals talk about taxation the line between “rich” and “not rich” is $75,000.  By defining “rich” down they can then include larger swaths of the population when they talk about “tax cuts for the rich” or “tax hikes for the rich.”

When liberals talk about expanding entitlements the put the “poverty” line at $295,000.  By defining the threshold for being poor up they can include larger swaths of the population when they talk about the poor, downtrodden masses who need to be cared for by massive new government spending programs.

See how that works?  The goal isn’t to empower people so that they can lead free and independent lives.  The goal is to tax as many people as much as possible while simultaneously making as many people as possible beholden to the government for certain basic, necessary things like health care.

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The program is supposed to serve,parents in a family of four making up to about $28,000 per year.

The rest is hot air from you because:"The problems, the audit found, has allowed at least three people with self-employment incomes of $295,000, $186,000 and $177,700 to enroll in the program.”

ellinas on April 1, 2008 at 02:14 pm

See how that works?
By Rob on April 1, 2008

I do see how it works. You are taking great liberties in describing the situation. Cut down on the propaganda a little bit.

ellinas on April 1, 2008 at 02:17 pm
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Facts rarely get in the way when Rob smells an opportunity to smear.

jimmy on April 1, 2008 at 02:34 pm
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Hey Jimmy, Ellinas...SCHIP programs across the nation routinely allow enrollment for families that make 200 - 300% of the poverty line.

Why are we giving entitlements to people who don’t need them?


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Rob on April 1, 2008 at 02:43 pm

Yeah, the SCHIP bill that President Bush vetoed would have allowed a family of four making $80,000 a year to get free health care.  I personally would call that middle class but you can never tell with liberals.

The government just tries to get people to rely on it for more and more.  This makes the average person start agreeing with the liberal mindset that the people deserve to get stuff for free.  Although we know that nothing the government hands out is free.

I personally would like to take care of myself and have the government stay out of my life as much as possible.



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 1, 2008 at 03:11 pm

Here are a few facts jimmy:

Ten states and the District of Columbia now cover children from families with incomes of more than three times the poverty level.

The poverty level for 2008 for a family of 3 is $17,600.  Three times that amount is $52,800 leaving a narrow $22,200 gap between the SCHIP eligible, presumably working poor, and Obama’s unqualified $75,000 “rich” for the “middle class”.

New Jersey has extended eligibility to $72,275 for a family of four.

That narrows an already narrow definition of “middle class” to a scant $2,725.

Some in Congress have proposed that we triple SCHIP spending—from $5 billion to $15 billion per year—and expand SCHIP to families of four earning up to $82,600.

If that passed in Obama’s world, then there would be up to $7,600 over his $75,000 “rich” who are also impoverished enough to receive state aid.  What do we call this class, “poor-rich”, “lower-rich”, “upper-poor”, “leapfrogged over middle class but still poor”?

And just in case you and ellinas want to quibble about Obama’s definition of “rich” versus the SCHIP limits, let’s just see where he stood on the SCHIP expansion: He was for it and made sure to be there to get on the record.

kbiel on April 1, 2008 at 03:19 pm
ellinas on April 1, 2008 at 03:47 pm

I think that we can all agree that Obama would be a disaster for this country.



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 1, 2008 at 06:11 pm

Where’s my free lunch?

Kevin on April 1, 2008 at 07:53 pm

Obama will take 2 fish and 5 loaves and miraculously feed every poor person in the world with them.  Each person will get a few molecules of each.  That’s the kind of savior he will be.  I am sick of the media portraying Obama as the second coming.

I don’t know about anyone else but he’s not my personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!!



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 1, 2008 at 08:16 pm

Here comes the beginning of tax increase language.


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goon on April 1, 2008 at 09:03 pm

Anyone else think that Chris Matthews sits at his home in the dark watching these adds and gets thrills running up his leg?  Just curious…



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 1, 2008 at 09:06 pm

Um, ellinas, did you even read what you linked?  Thanks for the back up.

Oh, are you confused that I’m thanking you for the link?  Do you think that linking that was some refutation of the facts that I brought to the table which so ably shut you and jimmy down?  Let me help you.

The Kaiser study shows that NJ eligibility levels are up to 350% of poverty level for 2007.  They use the household of 3 level to illustrate the amount at $60,095 (and indeed, that amount is 350% of $17,170).  Secretary Leavitt used the household of 4 level, $20,650, which equals $72,275 at 350%.  So, the Kaiser information backs up the Secretary, who I think has some credibility on this subject since it’s his job.

You should admit when you’re defeated.  Or at least scurry off and go back in to hiding like jimmy.

kbiel on April 2, 2008 at 07:32 am

Kevin.  Free lunch along with free housing, free transportation, free health care, free food are pushed to voters like a drug dealer pushes drugs.  All the people have to do is lie on their application.  I know this.  I was the federal free lunch certifier.  When we finally went to verify the applications, 80% of them turned out to be liars.


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Chief RZ on April 4, 2008 at 05:09 am
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