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Saturday, September 30, 2006

Democrats Want To Turn Foley Into A Campaign Issue

The Democrats want to turn the whole Foley mess into a campaign issue, which isn’t surprising given that the last few weeks of intensive debate over national security and the war on terror has resulted in resurgent approval numbers for both Republicans and President Bush.

The problem is that in order to turn this into a campaign issue the Democrats, assisted as always by their allies in the media, must draw the Republican party in general into the scandal.  Which is exactly what they’re doing, or at least trying to do, with these insinuations about Republican House leadership trying to cover-up Foley’s escapades with this kid.

The thing is, though, that the Republican House leadership didn’t have anything to cover up.  At least not according to the information we have now.

Rep. Tom Reynolds has said that he told Hastert of the communications between Foley and the boy last year, which makes it sound like Hastert learned of Foley’s inappropriate actions but let it slide.  In reality, though, Hastert got a much different picture of what was going on than what we have now.

From the New York Times:

Aides to the speaker and other Congressional Republican leaders said that the messages brought to their attention — described as “over friendly” — were much less explicit than others that came to light after ABC News disclosed the first e-mail correspondence. In those messages, Mr. Foley asked about the well-being of the boy, a Monroe, La., resident, after Hurricane Katrina and requested a photograph.

He wrote: “How are you weathering the hurricane. . .are you safe. . .send me a pic of you as well.”…

“No one in the speaker’s office was made aware of the sexually explicit text messages which press reports suggest had been directed to another individual until they were revealed in the press and on the Internet this week,” the statement from Mr. Hastert’s office said.

Let me remind everyone that charging someone with having inappropriate relations with a child (albeit a child who is legally able to consent to sex under the laws of Washington D.C.) is probably, short of accusing them of rape or murder, one of the most serious accusations you can make against someone.  You do not make that accusation, and ruin their life and career, unless it is based on sound evidence.  Hastert clearly, according to the reporting above, did not have that information.

Further, the action Hastert did take upon originally learning of the situation seems entirely appropriate to me:

Again, from the New York Times:

Mr. Alexander called the boy’s parents, who, he said Saturday, told him they did not want to pursue the matter but wanted Mr. Foley to stop.

Mr. Alexander’s office also contacted staff members in Mr. Hastert’s office for guidance on what to do and. According to the speaker’s account, his aides put Mr. Alexander’s staff in contact with the clerk of the House, who oversees the page program. The clerk, who at the time was Jeff Trandahl, referred the matter to Representative John Shimkus, the Illinois Republican who is the chairman of the House Page Board, in late 2005, a spokesman for Mr. Shimkus said.

Mr. Trandahl and Mr. Shimkus confronted Mr. Foley, who insisted he was simply acting as a mentor to the former page, officials said. He assured them nothing inappropriate had occurred.

“They asked Foley about the email,” the speaker’s statement said. “Congressman Shimkus and the clerk made it clear that to avoid even the appearance of impropriety and at the request of the parents, Congressman Foley was to immediately cease any communication with the young man.”

If Hastert and other members Republican House leadership didn’t know about the sexually explicit messages between this kid and Foley then I just don’t see how, with their actions, they “covered up” anything.

As far as we know, the existence of the more sordid communications between Foley and this kid were known only to those two (and probably the kid’s parents as well) prior to the publication of them on Friday via some anonymous source.

Which leads us to this question posed by a commenter over at Rick Moran’s blog:

Reportedly the St Pete Times had the same information in August 2005 and wrote nothing about it either, apparently because the emails do not constitute illegal conduct, they are just creepy, and the boy’s parents did not wish to pursue this.

The far more damaging IM messages were released by CREW , the same “public interest” group which is representing the Wilson/Plames in their laughable suit against Cheney, et al.

When did they get the IM’s? Why did they wait until now to release them? Is there any indication the Republicans who looked into THIS MATTER had any knowledge of their(the IM’s) existence.

Pardon an old lady’s suspicions. I’ve seen this dance too many times before.

The big question is this: Did Republicans in the House know about the sexually explicit nature of Foley’s communications prior to the media publishing them this week?  If they did, then this is a major problem for Republicans and probably an issue for the coming election.  If they didn’t, then this is an issue that begins and ends with Foley.  We also need to know when this source learned of these communications.  Did they sit on these sexually explicit messages until right before the election, and if so why was their lack of action any better than the Republicans’?

Unless someone has more information about what House Republicans knew and when they knew it, this story is pretty much dry.  But Democrats and their media allies will no doubt continue to push the issue because rather than talk about other more important issues (like that whole war on terror thing).

Comments

Rob: Doesn’t this seem to be a familiar pattern with Dem hit jobs?  First there are the “preliminary reports”, replete with “unnamed sources” that allege all sorts of serious crimes(this one started off as “pedophilia"), and then as the story develops, most or all of it evaporates into thin air?  They milked Plamegate for three years, and nothing came of it at all.  The worst of all this is attempts to have a homosexual affair, which is OK with the Dems(if it is one of their own).  At best, this is a smear.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on September 30, 2006 at 08:30 pm

Damn right it should be a political issue.  After all you can’t run a gay escort service out of a Congressman’s residence and think that that shouldn’t be an issue.

Wait, that was Barney Frank and he is a Democrat.

Sorry, never mind.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 1, 2006 at 03:37 am

The difference between Republicans and Democrats. When faced with a public disgrace… Republicans resign and Democrats even when impeached stick aroundwhere they’re not wanted!

Zsa Zsa on October 1, 2006 at 05:12 am
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Unless someone has more information about what House Republicans knew and when they knew it, this story is pretty much dry.

Conflicting accounts have been coming from the
Republican leadership.
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President Signs H.R. 4472,
the Adam Walsh Child Protection
and Safety Act of 2006

On the far right, Marc Foley.
Must have learned his lesson
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WOOF on October 1, 2006 at 05:50 am

Woofie, while the guy apparently sent creepy emails, that’s not yet a crime is it?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 1, 2006 at 06:08 am
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The difference between Republicans and Democrats. When faced with a public disgrace… Republicans resign

Whereas Democrats will not ever admit to an error even when they are indicted.  Being liberal is never to say I was wrong, right woof?

I guess they, the liberal Democrats, don’t believe in the the biblical saying ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’ since they are not only casting stones but boulders but only if the sinners are Republicans.

docdave on October 1, 2006 at 06:13 am
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"It’s not illegal” is a political defense that leads
to the guillitine.

Admitting knowledge-- Hastert, John Boehner, Tom Reynolds, Rodney Alexander, the Clerk of the House among others.

Believe I only was informed the emails were “overly friendly”
is going to fly?

As for let he who is without sin cast the first stone’

Representative Christopher Shays, Republican of Connecticut, said any leader who had been aware of Mr. Foley’s behavior and failed to take action should step down. “If they knew or should have known the extent of this problem, they should not serve in leadership,

WOOF on October 1, 2006 at 07:02 am
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Yes, Woofie, continue with your innuendo and scandal mongering.  The truth of the matter is, as far as we know now, is that House Republican leadership didn’t know the extent of Foley’s communications.


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Rob on October 1, 2006 at 07:12 am
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as far as we know now,

Now being the operative word.
Republicans need to get in front of this story
and put it to bed. So far they have been weak. 

AUTHOR:  Edwin W Edwards, Governor of Louisiana
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caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

WOOF on October 1, 2006 at 07:41 am

Woofie, you forgot to mention that E.E. was a Democrat.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 1, 2006 at 08:03 am

The only place this dismal affair is a relevant campaign issue is in Foley’s campaign, and he isn’t running.  The Republican leadership is not law enforcement, and are not charged with any responsibility to do police work, as far as I know.  This is Plamegate all over again.  There is probably no underlying crime, when all the facts come out.  It’s a desperate act of a cornered Party.  They have nothing, and every accusation of corruption will simply reveal their own corruption.  This guy obviously did something he shouldn’t have done.  That is only political when a Party of hacks are so desperate for an issue that they would ruin someone to get back into power.  Shame on the Dems!  What they are doing is sicker than what Foley did.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 1, 2006 at 08:25 am
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rob, it’s their responsability to protect the kids working in Congress.

aNONOMISLY on October 1, 2006 at 11:04 am

The Congressman-page thing goes back to at least JFK.


"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

robert108 on October 1, 2006 at 11:07 am
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