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Wednesday, January 17, 2007

Democrats To Prove Their Fiscal Restraint By Opposing Line Item Veto?

I have it on good authority from a source in the Republican Senate leadership that a partisan battle is brewing in the Senate over an amendment favored by Senators Judd Gregg and Jim DeMint which would give the President “rescission” power over Congressional spending.

Basically, this would be kinda sorta like the line-item veto except that it would really only delay spending rather than necessarily overturn it.  What it does is allow the President to delay spending for 10 days during which Congress has to give it another up or down vote.  It’s effectiveness would probably lay with the fact that it would allow the President to shine a spotlight on some of the more egregious examples of exorbitant spending, but a simple majority vote of Congress would by pass the President’s delay.  You can read more on that here.

The legislation authorizing this rescission power actually passed the House last year, but it’s yet to get through the Senate.  Which brings us to Senator Gregg’s introduction of it today.

Harry Reid is currently on the floor of the Senate arguing against voting on Senator Gregg’s amendment because it would delay other earmark and lobbying reform the Democrats have in the works.  Though if the Dems are serious about earmark reform you’d think they’d want to allow Gregg’s amendment an up or down vote.

Obviously, they’re not all that serious about earmark reform.  Something that was in evidence last week when Reid and his fellow Senate Democrats got all flustered at Senator DeMint’s insistence that the Senate adopt the restrictive earmark rules Nancy Pelosi introduced and passed in the House.

I like to see the Republicans sticking it to Democrats like this.  The rescission authority would give the chief executive more power to combat profligate Congressional spending, and that’s a good thing, though I’d still prefer Congress to restore the President’s impound power where he essentially orders the Treasury not to fund appropriations passed by Congress which he does not like.  Every President from John Adams to Richard Nixon had the ability to “impound” funds appropriated for expenditure by Congress. You see, the Constitution states that Congress has the power to appropriate funds for expenditure but it does not say that those funds must actually be spent. The U.S. Treasury is a department in the Executive branch of our government, and the Secretary of the Treasury is appointed by the President. Thus the chief executive can simply order the Treasury not to provide funds for specific programs.

This power was, unfortunately, taken away from the Executive branch with the passage of the 1974 Budget Act by what was arguably the most liberal Congress in the history of this country in response to President Nixon impounding some 4% of all spending appropriated by Congress in order to reduce deficits.

It’d be nice to give the President that power back, but we aren’t likely to get it with the Democrats in control.  So the Gregg amendment is a nice alternative.

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Actually, a real line-item veto on content of a bill would be unConstitutional, since it would make the President part of the Legislative Branch, violating the Separation of Powers.  Impounding of funds, though, is another matter.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on January 17, 2007 at 03:15 pm
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The Democratic congress is will give George
more power!!

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WOOF on January 17, 2007 at 04:01 pm

The Democratic congress is will give George
more power!!

Just another example of how the Dems don’t give a crap about the good of the country, it’s all about their own power and their efforts to “Get the President”.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on January 17, 2007 at 04:05 pm
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Shouldn’t the headline read:  “Democrats to Prove their Fiscal Restraint by Opposing the Kinda Sorta Line Item Veto?”

Puzzlefeet on January 17, 2007 at 04:13 pm

Shouldn’t the headline read:  “Democrats to Prove their Fiscal Restraint by Opposing the Kinda Sorta Line Item Veto?”

So, in leftiespeak, “Fiscal Restraint” means “more spending without Presidential restraint”.  Sounds about right.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on January 17, 2007 at 04:40 pm
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You oughta know r108, you righties threw out the fiscal conservative bible over the past 6 years with the Prez leading the charge (literally).

Puzzlefeet on January 17, 2007 at 05:06 pm

You oughta know r108, you righties threw out the fiscal conservative bible over the past 6 years with the Prez leading the charge (literally).

Who threw out the “fiscal conservative bible” (ridiculous description)? It isn’t us Puzzlefeet and you would know that if you paid attention to what we say.

likwidshoe on January 17, 2007 at 05:30 pm

Puzzle, the kinda-sort line item veto is better than nothing.

Work on your reading comprehension.

Carol on January 17, 2007 at 05:33 pm
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Carol, my reading comprehension is just fine.  I even get that you only correct those who disagree with your son.  That’s ok, that’s what moms do. 
You became the english language expert here tonight, just thought a bit of hypocrisy on mom’s part should be pointed out.

I will try to do better.

Puzzlefeet on January 17, 2007 at 05:37 pm

I even get that you only correct those who disagree with your son.  That’s ok, that’s what moms do.
You became the english language expert here tonight, just thought a bit of hypocrisy on mom’s part should be pointed out.

Oh well.....

Carol on January 17, 2007 at 08:21 pm

You oughta know r108, you righties threw out the fiscal conservative bible over the past 6 years with the Prez leading the charge (literally).

It is worth a chuckle to hear the lefties criticizing govt spending; it’s like hearing Saddam criticize someone for jaywalking.
BTW, the Prescription Drug Program is under budget.  We even do spending better than the Dems can do it.  No surprise.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on January 17, 2007 at 08:30 pm
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Except balance the budget, complete a budget. It just bugs you that the citizens now believe that the dems are better than you righties on budget and keeping spending under control.  You righties just couldn’t get the job done.

Puzzlefeet on January 17, 2007 at 08:47 pm
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It just bugs you that the citizens now believe that the dems are better than you righties on budget and keeping spending under control.

Oh man....

Puzzle, the public was upset at Republicans for not getting the job done on fiscal matters, sure, but the only reason the Democrats won is because they’re the default choice.  Not because they’re better.

Americans want smaller government and fewer taxes.  Democrats aren’t about to deliver that, and you know it.


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Rob on January 17, 2007 at 09:13 pm

Puzzlefeet beats her chest, You righties just couldn’t get the job done.

Given the way the system is set up, it’s no wonder. Given that spending increases are built into the system, it’s no wonder. Given the way that the media and their sycophants like you characterize a decrease in the increase of spending as a “cut”, it’s no wonder. Given the way you demonize everybody who don’t want simple things like retirement and health care under government control, it’s no wonder.

Continue to ignore the realities though Puzzlefeet. I wouldn’t expect a socialist union hack to do any differently.

likwidshoe on January 17, 2007 at 09:14 pm

Let’s see.  The Democrats last had control of Congress in 1994.  And for a very substantial period of time before that.

So, which Democrat controlled Congress passed a balanced federal budget in the period prior to 1994?  How about some legislatively imposed spending discipline?  Got any examples of that lying around from prior to the conservatives’ 1994 Contract for America? 

How about caps on entitlements?  Forgive me!  LBJ and congressional Democrats were the ones who artfully “misappropriated” all the surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund, swapping current cash for IOU’s which oddly enough don’t show up on the federal budget as the discounted unfunded liabilities that they actually represent.  No point in asking about any sort of responsible financial behavior among Democrats in that area of the federal budget, is there?

I’d ask about earmarks and pork-barrel spending, but neither Robert Byrd nor Jack Murtha are here to present even a laughably pathetic excuse for the fiscally irresponsible behavior of pre-1994 congressional Democrats, so we’ll just let that one go.

Here’s a bit of advice, Puzzle.  If the topic of a thread deals with numbers in any form or fashion, stay away from it!  Not only will you be depriving us of a considerable amount of amusement by doing so, but you’ll be saving yourself a a lot of well-deserved embarrassment too.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on January 17, 2007 at 10:33 pm

It just bugs you that the citizens now believe that the dems are better than you righties on budget and keeping spending under control.

Rob,

At least Puzzle understands, implicitly, that there is a distinction between those who are citizens and those who are not.  I can promise that her acknowledgment of that distinction will re-appear in the next discussion of border control, immigration reform, and the Left’s desire to extend benefits and privileges to illegals.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on January 17, 2007 at 10:51 pm

When the citizens believe something that isn’t true, it illustrates, once again, the power of propaganda.  The MSM has done its job with its lies, half-truths and fabrications.  How sad.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on January 17, 2007 at 11:13 pm
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I have it on good authority from a source in the Republican Senate leadership

By any chance, did that source ever post at a blog/online magazine called Qando?

aNONOMISLY on January 19, 2007 at 04:56 am
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Wow, you all are still smarting from the ‘thumpin” you got in November.  The fact is that the citizens ain’t buyin what you’re trying to sell here.  Your party screwed up and now you are whinin’ about it. Oh, and Rob, the citizens do thinks the Dems are better at fiscal matters than the Republicans, and that is what really sticks in yours and B1’s and R108’s and Lik’s craw.

Whine away and namecall away, you have a while to do it.

Puzzlefeet on January 19, 2007 at 06:34 am

Wow, you all are still smarting from the ‘thumpin” you got in November.

How many times are you going to say this?

The fact is that the citizens ain’t buyin what you’re trying to sell here.

It’s never stopped you! Union membership has steadily been going down nationwide, so when are you going to shut up about unions? The fact is that citizens aren’t buying what you’re trying to sell.

Why did you keep on talking after the Republican Revolution? Citizens weren’t buying what you were selling and yet you kept on yapping your mouth off.

Oh, and Rob, the citizens do thinks the Dems are better at fiscal matters than the Republicans, and that is what really sticks in yours and B1’s and R108’s and Lik’s craw.

Now you’re speaking for me?

Anything else you’d like to put into my mouth?

likwidshoe on January 19, 2007 at 07:55 am

And to anybody who believes that Dems are better at fiscal matters than Republicans, take a trip to your nearest inner city. Marvel at the stark poverty, rampant crime, and depression. Inner cities are Democrat plantations. This is what people like Puzzlefeet support.

I guess pointing out reality is “whinin’” to some.

likwidshoe on January 19, 2007 at 08:07 am

Speaking of that “thumpin’”, how’s “coma guy” doing, anyway?  The Dem majority in Congress is on a respirator at night, but is the chairman of some committee.  I’m sure he’s as good and effective as the rest of the Dems.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on January 19, 2007 at 09:51 am
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