Democrat Was “Nauseated” By Moment Of Silence In The House For Michael Jackson

I don’t blame him.

YARMUTH: Um, I was close to nauseated by it. I thought it was outrageous. In my two and a half years, we’ve never done that for anybody else who’s a celebrity. We’ve done it for former members, and that’s about it, for former members who’ve passed away … I basically got up and walked back to the cloakroom and got off the floor, because I just thought it was totally uncalled for and over the top.
ZIEGLER: And were you alone in that feeling?
YARMUTH: Oh, no, the cloakroom was pretty well packed. I think there were a lot of people who were disgusted by it.

The problem I have with a moment of silence for Jackson is two fold:
First, Jackson was a mixed bag. He killed himself by overdosing on drugs. While he was never found guilty of molesting children, it’s pretty clear he had some uncomfortably strange interactions with them. He was a very talented man, but also a very troubled and (I’d say) mentally ill one as well. Despite his accomplishments, which weren’t trivial, I don’t think he deserves this level of acknowledgement from Congress.
Second, when symbolic gestures such as this are casually thrown out to tabloid celebrities it lowers their meaning. It’s sort of like the baseball hall of fame. Whenever some well-liked ball player dies there’s always a big push to enshrine him in the hall of fame even though his numbers may not have been on-line with usual inductees into the hall of fame. Sentiment makes us want to honor and remember, but the reality is that when we act based on emotion instead of logic and fact we diminish the honor paid to others who actually earned it.

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    JMT,

    Welcome aboard and ditto!

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    Jackson seemed to want to be 8 again. Sleepover parties are bizarre, but not molestation.

    I never slept in my friends beds when I was a little kid. In fact… the only time I’ve ever shared a bed with a guy was on a christian retreat, to save money on hotel fare.

  • Brent

    I’m anti-moments of silence, but then again I’d vote against pretty much everything they do, since it is all BS and unconstitutional (for anyone left who cares about that).

    Really, they have no business having moments of silence for former members, either. What’d the typical member of congress do while they were in office? Lie? Steal? Raise taxes? Violate their oath of office? Piss on the constitution? No wonder the current members look up to them like they were heroes.

    As for Jackson, I seriously doubt he did anything to those kids. Apparently, in spite of the tremendous bias and a corrupt prosecutor, the juries felt similarly.

    And, obviously, I’d never let any kid of mine go visit a celebrity stranger.

  • Jason

    I was just watching the news, and I caught part of a report on
    Michael Jackson. As we all know, Jackson died the other day. He
    was an entertainer who performed for decades. He made millions, he
    spent millions, and he did a lot of things that make him a villain
    to many people. I understand that his death would affect a lot of
    people, and I respect those people who mourn his death, but that
    isn’t the point of my rant.

    Why is it that when ONE man dies, the whole of America loses their
    minds with grief. When a man dies whose only contribution to the
    country was to ENTERTAIN people, the American people find the need
    to flock to a memorial in Hollywood, and even Congress sees the need
    to hold a “moment of silence” for his passing?

    Am I missing something here? ONE man dies, and all of a sudden he’s
    a freaking martyr because he entertained us for a few decades? What
    about all those SOLDIERS who have died to give us freedom? All
    those Soldiers who, knowing that they would be asked to fight in a
    war, still raised their hands and swore to defend the Constitution
    and the United States of America. Where is their moment of
    silence? Where are the people flocking to their graves or memorials
    and mourning over them because they made the ultimate sacrifice?

    Why is it when a Soldier dies, there are more people saying “good
    riddance,” and “thank God for IEDs?” When did this country become
    so calloused to the sacrifice of GOOD MEN and WOMEN, that they can
    arbitrarily blow off their deaths, and instead, throw themselves
    into mourning for a “Pop Icon?”

    I think that if they are going to hold a moment of silence IN
    CONGRESS for Michael Jackson, they need to hold a moment of silence
    for every service member killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. They need
    to PUBLICLY recognize every life that has been lost so that the
    American people can live their callous little lives in the luxury
    and freedom that WE, those that are living and those that have gone
    on, have provided for them. But, wait, that would take too much
    time, because there have been so many willing to make that
    sacrifice. After all, we will never make millions of dollars. We
    will never star in movies, or write hit songs that the world will
    listen too. We only shed our blood, sweat and tears so that people
    can enjoy what they have.

    Sorry if I have offended, but I needed to say it. Remember these
    five words the next time you think of someone who is serving in the
    military;
    “So that others may live..”

  • Brent

    Ok, now I’m waiting to be entertained by seeing you make an argument for a moment of silence in the House being unconstitutional.

    They can do whatever they want, Rob. In fact, I wish they’d spend their whole time observing MANY “Moments of Silence”.

    But seriously, Congress isn’t a church. They aren’t even a city council. And they sure as hell aren’t our parents. Why are they spending time like this, except for their unspoken belief that they are the center of the universe?

  • robert108

    I don’t think any entertainer deserves a moment of silence in Congress; I would reserve that for war heroes, personally.
    I think the emotional outburst from this Dem was nauseating, though. His feelings are none of our business. He was just grandstanding. Beat up the dead guy, or the guy who is no longer in office.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    I just wish Congress would start reading the bills they are passing. That should be a requirement if you ask me.

  • sayanything-5371

    Only in the USA could such a blatant sexual predator pedophile be elevated to deity status. He never got convicted, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t guilty. No one would pay 20 million dollars to silence an accuser if he wasn’t guilty. The kid even described marking on the skin of Jackson’s genitals. I don’t blame the guy for being nauseated. I would walk out if someone told me to give a moment of silence for a dead pedophile. I would say fuck you, I’m not honoring a pedophile.

  • robert108

    Kenny: Thanks for standing up for the truth this time, and exposing the smear against Jackson. For me, it was a local case, and I got to see the incredible bias firsthand.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    While he was never found guilty of molesting children, it’s pretty clear he had some uncomfortably strange interactions with them.

    While it’s bizarre that a grown man would want to actually be a child, this is not the same as molesting one. Both cases reeked of BS.

    If my child is raped, I go to the police. I don’t demand hush money. I want the sick freak put away forever, not merely take a chunk of his bank that he will never miss. Even if the excuse is that they were people who “don’t want to put their child through that”…they made it a public affair and put their kid through it.

    The second case was a clear cut case of prosecutorial and police misconduct. The witnesses were juvies with a long police record, and their mother with past instances of perjury and fraud. These were perhaps the least trustworthy witnesses in the history of the law, and a case was built on their lies. The jury unanimously rejected their testimony (rightly I believe). And the prosecutor lied to the jury by alleging that Jackson had also molested McCully Culkin when he was a child…despite Culkin telling them that Jackson had never acted inappropriately with him.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I don’t think he outright molested them either. But he had some serious mental issues, and sleeping in the same bed with them is not normal behavior for a 40 – 50 year old man.

    So he deserves to be villified because he’s strange even though the vast evidence proves him innocent of any wrongdoing.

    Saying “I don’t believe he outright molested them” is STILL accusing him of molestation. Which is complete and utter garbage. He didn’t have sex with the kids. He didn’t touch the kids inappropriately. He didn’t expose himself to them. He didn’t outright molest them, he didnt sort of molest them, he did nothing.

    He was just oddly infatuated with BEING a child…something he never got to do. That his career and reputation were tarnished by obviously false allegations is tragic.

  • JMT

    I arrived here b/c of something about this I saw on another site…the following is what I posted there:
    —-
    Ed McMahon was in the USMC during WWII & flew 79 missions in Korea during that war & was in the entertainment business for many, many more years than Jackson AND NEVER was accused of being a child molester & as for Farrah…she was not in the service like EM & yes she had some PERSONAL “demons” but NONE that harmed others…only herself & she suffered an long, slow painful death & was a TV “icon” AND YET NO MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR HER OR E.M.>>>BUT ONE FOR Jackson who PAID OFF at least one set of parents of a child he molested…that child was the one that

    ACCURATELY described markings on Jackson’s “private parts” that he DIDN’T KEEP PRIVATE.

    The 1st two words out of my mouth upon hearing that Jackson was dead was “GOOD RIDDANCE” !!!
    The 1st two words out of my mouth upon hearing about the ‘moment of silence’ wouldn’t get past the profanity filter!!!
    —-
    I’ll add this: As far as I’m concerned he DID MOLEST children…at least one of them…the one I mentioned above where Jackson paid off the parents of a boy who described distinct marking on his “privates”…PROOF ENOUGH FOR ME…may he rot slowly & painfully in Hades.

  • robert108

    Looks like r108 and Michael had some alone time when he was younger. I bet that was fun.

    When you have nothing, go for lying smear. It shows your lack of intelligence. False accusations are evil, which is why I smack those who depend on false accusations so much.

  • Carol

    I think Jackson was a perverted freak. This shows the direction our “leaders” are going. I am also sick to my stomach about this.

  • brenarlo

    I don’t have the Constitution memorized, but I don’t recall the Constitution giving Congress the power to have moments of silence. If it doesn’t say it can… then it can’t.

    But like I said, without actually looking at the Constitution right now, maybe there is something in there saying it’s ok.

  • robert108

    While he was never found guilty of molesting children, it’s pretty clear he had some uncomfortably strange interactions with them.

    The truth: Jackson was attacked by the entire spectrum of the media, which convicted him before his trial; even so, and with a very tainted jury pool, he was not convicted of anything.
    For someone who claims to be for the rule of law, Rob instead uses smear, when there are no facts to back him up.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Kenny, unless I’m not remembering the case correctly it seems to me that Jackson sleeping in the same bed with some of the kids and other strange behavior was never disproved. Only ruled to have not risen to the level of molestation.

    No, it was openly admitted to. Jackson was never shy about it. Bizarre? Yes. Child molestation…not unless the meaning has DRAMATICALLY changed since the last time I checked.

    There was never any sexual aspect to it from both Jackson’s perspective or any of numerous other participants. And for child molestation, there MUST be some sort of sexual contact. Jackson seemed to want to be 8 again. Sleepover parties are bizarre, but not molestation.

    And from another perspective…what kinda parent sends their kid to a strange older man’s house to engage in sleepover parties with no other adult supervision? “Sure obviously mentally disturbed guy! Here’s my prepubscent son that you don’t know personally! Have a good time! We’ll be back in a week…”

  • Daffy

    Looks like r108 and Michael had some alone time when he was younger. I bet that was fun.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Looks like r108 and Michael had some alone time when he was younger. I bet that was fun.

    Being accused of child molestation sticks with you, even when it is provably false, as it was in both these cases.

    A parent wouldn’t put their child in the national spotlight as a rape victim, and then not try to get the man who raped their child jailed. It doesn’t make sense. And if it doesn’t make sense, it’s not true.

    The second family were proven liars going in. Mom was convicted of perjury more than once and son was a thief. Not trustworthy. And prosecutor perjured himself in presenting testimony and evidence he knew to be false. That IS a crime btw. That second trial of Jackson’s was as much a travesty of law as the Duke Rape case.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Ed McMahon deserved a moment of silence more than Michael. He served his country twice. Michael was never convicted so labeling him as a pedophile is rather unfair IMO. BUT that is exactly what the accuser wanted along with several million dollar$. I recall Bob Hope was honored with a moment of silence even before he actually really died. He ended up making a joke about it. That kind of goes to show us we shouldn’t believe everything we hear. Having said that I still am not sure why they did that for Michael and not Ed.

  • Pilgrim

    Rob wins the “Diplomatic Statement of the Day” award:

    While he was never found guilty of molesting children, it’s pretty clear he had some uncomfortably strange interactions with them.

    Heh.

    Well done.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Kenny:

    He was just oddly infatuated with BEING a child…something he never got to do.

    I can fairly guarantee that everyone, Kenny included, will miss the import of this statement.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    As for Jackson, I seriously doubt he did anything to those kids.

    I don’t think he outright molested them either. But he had some serious mental issues, and sleeping in the same bed with them is not normal behavior for a 40 – 50 year old man.

    I’m anti-moments of silence, but then again I’d vote against pretty much everything they do, since it is all BS and unconstitutional (for anyone left who cares about that).

    Ok, now I’m waiting to be entertained by seeing you make an argument for a moment of silence in the House being unconstitutional.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t have the Constitution memorized, but I don’t recall the Constitution giving Congress the power to have moments of silence.

    But it does give them the power set the rules in the House. And to vote for laws.

    Congress has been doing these sorts of resolutions since some of our founding fathers were still sitting in the chambers.

    I leave you to your Constitutional detective work, but give me a break.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Ok, I agree with the sentiment. I just thought you were going to argue that these resolutions were unconstitutional or something.

    And, for the record, I do think they’re appropriate from time to time.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Kenny, unless I’m not remembering the case correctly it seems to me that Jackson sleeping in the same bed with some of the kids and other strange behavior was never disproved. Only ruled to have not risen to the level of molestation.

    He may not have been convicted of a specific crime, but I’d never send my kids over to his house.

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