Democrat Plan Disallows “Stimulus” Money For Schools That Allow Worship

This seems rather stupid to me:

Democrats in Congress have declared war on prayer, say conservative groups who object to a provision in the stimulus bill that was passed by the House of Representatives last week.
The provision bans money designated for school renovation from being spent on facilities that allow “religious worship.” It has ignited a fury among critics who say it violates the First Amendment and is an attempt to prevent religious practice in schools.
According to the bill, which the Democratic-controlled House passed despite unanimous Republican opposition, funds are prohibited from being used for the “modernization, renovation, or repair” of facilities that allow “sectarian instruction, religious worship or a school or department of divinity.”
Critics say that could include public schools that permit religious groups to meet on campus.

I’ve never bought the idea that all of this “stimulus” spending on government buildings and the like can or will create jobs, but the idea of fixing up such buildings is certainly less objectionable than, say, subsidizing free condoms and abortions. But it’s a little irksome to see schools used for religious worship excluded.
When I was a child my family attended a relatively new Lutheran congregation that was meeting in my elementary school’s gym. Every Sunday the school would be opened for worship and fellowship, and during the week some of the supplies (the podium, some banners, etc.) were stored in a closet at the school. For this, the church paid a fee to the school comparable to what any other organization renting out the facility would pay. Today, the congregation has its own church several blocks away.
To this day, even though my spiritual beliefs (or lack thereof) have lead me away from religion, I’ve always felt that was an entirely appropriate arrangement. After all, the members of the congregation were taxpayers too and certainly have every right to use public property while paying the same fees and abiding by the same rules as other organizations would. But now the Democrats would stop this practice, and apparently for no really good reason outside of religious bigotry.
And I wonder if this ban wouldn’t expand to groups that aren’t specifically religious but may have religious themes? Like the Boy Scouts/Cub Scouts, perhaps? Plenty of scout troops use school facilities for meetings and such. Would the Democrats be closing the doors on them as well? And what about high school student groups that might hold before or after school prayer meetings? Do the clubs have to be closed?
How can the Democrats disallow use of public facilities to the religious? Are Christians and Muslims and Jews and all the members of the worlds’ religions not allowed equal protection under the law?
I wonder what urgent policy need Democrats are serving by this move. Because I really can’t think of anything than a dislike of the religious.

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  • http://Array sayanything-4625

    Rudolph, the true American Taliban.

    When you can show me video and pictures of large segments of the American population dancing in the street in support of Rudolph’s actions or the large religious based American government that supports him then maybe you’ll have a point, until then…carry on.

  • pparets

    That is not true, Kevin.

  • SHADY

    My kids go to a public school that can’t hold any kids meeting about God. But there just happens to be a kids gay club that can meet in the school. If things get much worse, I’ll pull them out and home school them myself.
    How many dem-libs have their kids go to public schools???

    Another double standard thing about the elite and us peasents!!!

  • Buckets

    WHY DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU!!!!!!

    THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DESTROY PUBLIC EDUCATION…

    IF YOU HAVE KIDS OF SCHOOL AGE AND YOU CAN AFFORD PRIVATE EDUCATION PUT THEM IN THE PRIVATE SCHOOL….

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    There is no gog but god, and Obama is his prophet.

  • docdave

    They won’t fund schools where religion is taught unless the religion has to do with Obama worship, global warming cult worship or homosexuality reverence.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Knee jerk conservatism. From the story:

    Critics say that could include public schools that permit religious groups to meet on campus. (emphasis mine)

    Cons are such cranks.

    Oh, and all of our domestic terrorism has been perpetuated by conservatives. From the KKK to McVeigh, all cons.

  • dawneyr

    When someone accidentally called this joker Osama, it wasn’t a mere slip of the tongue.

    No public schools will receive stimulus funding then, because they promote worship of the ancient alien god of stupidity (evolution), the pagan god of Al Gore’s earwax (climate change alarmism), and the connection god with self and Hindu and Buddhist gods (yoga and visualization).

    Any Christians in this forum that aren’t aware of the anti-Biblical roots of yoga may want to read Yoga and the Body of Christ: What Position Should Christians Take.”

  • http://dougeefargo.blogspot.com/ dougee

    Why don’t they take on the Muslims like the do the rest of us. HMMM?

    Because us born again Christians won’t blow up buildings like Jihadist Muslims will. A slight difference in our religions.

  • bustoff

    Democrat Plan Disallows “Stimulus” Money For Schools That Allow Worship

    That is, unless the students are kneeling on prayer rugs at the time, I suppose.

  • erick1740

    what an asshole, woof he was not a christian you are disgusting

    this stimulus is the same completely failed policies that fdr filed, are they going to take the Schechters decendants ino court and send them to jail too?

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    One shalt not worship any gods except “The One……..

  • Bat One

    Michael K. and Suitepotato,

    My respects to the both of you for living your faith, as opposed to merely mouthing the platitudes! Its an example many of us Christians could learn to emulate.

  • sayanything-4625

    BTW, Dino. Not all terrorists are conservatives. Did you forget Prez

    Dino didn’t forget, when you are not restricted to fact or reality you can say whatever you want.

  • ellinas

    Michael K. Thank you very much! I appreciate it.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    I’m declaring a pentecostal fatwa against liberal members of congress. There, that otta do it. I’ll bet they’re scared now.. Not.

    Why don’t they take on the Muslims like the do the rest of us. HMMM?

  • Bat One

    Oh, and all of our domestic terrorism has been perpetuated by conservatives. From the KKK to McVeigh, all cons.

    MORON!

    I’m sure Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, Obama’s friends and earliest supporters, would be amused by your characterization of them as conservatives.

  • Hannitized

    Rudolph, in a deal to avoid the death penalty, pleaded guilty in April to the Birmingham attack and three others, including the 1996 Olympics bombing, a 1997 double bombing at a suburban Atlanta abortion clinic and an Atlanta gay and lesbian nightclub. The attacks killed two people and wounded more than 110 people.

    Rudolph, the true American Taliban.

    But you know…..carry on.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Students in government schools are indoctrinated to worship the federal government.

  • 11B40

    Greetings:

    The history of the Catholic parochial school system is one of the great historical lessons of our country. A determined minority addressed its problem, not by declaring itself a discriminated-against victim group and pleading for governmental relief, but by putting its hand in its own pocket and building and infrastructure that would benefit its future generations.t amazes me that in

    Someday, I hope that someone with the proper intellectual wherewithal calculates the amount of money that Catholics have saved the various levels of government by sending their children to their “sectarian” schools.

  • J.L.

    And all that enviornmental terrorism over the years has been done by “cons”. Ok. Moron

  • Michael K.

    Every year my synagogue holds a picnic in a public park. We rent one of those structures that is just a roof over some picnic tables for 2 1/2 hours. Would this park be excluded from receiving federal funds because of us? I’m sure every religious and secular group rent out that same space.

    What if the funds were for “green” improvements to the park? I bet they’d make an exception in that case.

  • ellinas

    I wouldn’t expect it to be in the dictionary of one who relies upon a photo shopped picture of a squirrel to indicate possession of large balls, or large brains. As I have observed of Dino you also have proven to fit the category. A socially retarded attention whore, only difference is you’re female, or wanna be, so it fits a bit better. EH?

    Spartacus on February 4, 2009 at 06:17 pm

    Spartacus! Why are you allowing your self to be consumed by hatred? If I fucked your wife, and you just found out about it, I would deserve your hatred. Wallowing and or stewing in one’s own shit is not healthy.
    I asked a simple question because I did not understand.

  • Spartacus

    Spartacus. Dumfinder? Not in the dictionary.

    I wouldn’t expect it to be in the dictionary of one who relies upon a photo shopped picture of a squirrel to indicate possession of large balls, or large brains. As I have observed of Dino you also have proven to fit the category. A socially retarded attention whore, only difference is you’re female, or wanna be, so it fits a bit better. EH?

  • Michael K.

    Ellinas,

    suitepotato! Why do you write G-d instead of God?
    Just curious.

    My guess is that suitepotato is Jewish. We’re taught not to write out the complete spelling on paper unless we really wish to keep it–not throw it out or erase it. This applies to chalkboards as well. The reason is that if we do, the only way to properly dispose of it is to bury it in a Jewish cemetery. However, this really only applies to the Hebrew words for G-d, but we do it anyway. A computer screen doesn’t really produce writing as defined in Judaism, so it would be OK to write out the letters anyway since no erasing occurs.

    I hope that answers your question.

  • Hawk

    Christians won’t blow up buildings

    Are you trying to say that people in the armed forces aren’t Christian?

  • ellinas

    E, it’s called a dumfinder…you bit!
    Spartacus on February 4, 2009 at 05:49 pm

    Spartacus. Dumfinder? Not in the dictionary.
    If you can answer fine, if not then refrain.
    It is something I do not understand.

  • erick1740

    A christian will never shoot someone like that,he was a nutjob. No religious affiliation

  • Spartacus

    Why do you write G-d instead of God?
    Just curious.

    E, it’s called a dumfinder…you bit!

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Suite.

    OMG.

    Funny stuff

  • ellinas

    suitepotato! Why do you write G-d instead of God?
    Just curious.

  • bill-tb

    Well, yeah, what did you expect from a Muslim.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Woof,

    ok one,

    but….. Statistically Speaking……

    We blow up FAR FEWER.

    Maybe that’ll put a little fear of God in them..HA

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    I’d say this includes ever government building in the country given how often the citizen supplicant before the Borg-like state or the politician caught unawares says “oh my G-d”.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Michael K. is correct. Although raised Catholic, and now a convert to Judaism, it was made a habit early on in my grandparents’ house which had some other minor oddly Jewish cultural attributes like tending to be home from work before sundown on Friday. I am pretty sure it went back to Podolia, but it was never spoken of openly in my presence.

    That out of the way…

    Although I am a big fan of the state staying out of religion, because if they get into funding things religious, the bizarre nasty selfish bratty childish side of humanity springs forward looking to fight for the dollars over a competing faction and there’s quite enough of that already as it is, to refuse to acknowledge the religious life of the people of the nation is at best folly and at worst suicide. It’s a very deep part of people and they already tend to get upset enough when others don’t agree with their version of spirituality, it’s not good to instill resentment among the majority of the population.

    That being said, you have to be able to achieve a certain level of beneficial double-think which is sort of the opposite of cognitive dissonance. You know that literal biblical creation and big bang followed by planetary formation followed by evolution can’t both be true so you have to simply choose irrespective of external justifications to believe them both at the same time at least insofar as their areas go. Religiously, G-d made the world. Scientifically, humans are evolving the appendix away.

    BTW, Dino. Not all terrorists are conservatives. Did you forget Prez. Obama’s contributor Bill Ayers? hardly a conservative. I could tar and feather your Democrats with a rundown of the Copperheads and the KKK and their deep involvement with your favorite party but you’re already getting your butt handed to you pretty regularly as it is.

  • WOOFX

    Rudolph and his family were connected with the Christian Identity movement, a militant, racist and anti-Semitic organization that believes whites are God’s chosen people.

    Rudolph’s mother, Patricia, spent time with Nord Davis, a Christian Identity ideologue who built a walled compound called Northpoint in the Nantahala community. Davis wrote propaganda decrying a “New World Order” that he claimed was controlled by Jews, and he advocated killing gays and those who engaged in mixed-race relationship

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/31/rudolph.profile/index.html

  • WOOFX

    You sure about that dougee?

    Christians won’t blow up buildings

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    Rudolph, in a deal to avoid the death penalty, pleaded guilty in April to the Birmingham attack and three others, including the 1996 Olympics bombing, a 1997 double bombing at a suburban Atlanta abortion clinic and an Atlanta gay and lesbian nightclub. The attacks killed two people and wounded more than 110 people.

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