Democrat Congresswoman: Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Care Industry

• May 1, 2009

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) is saying that Obama’s health care plans will destroy the private health care industry. And of course they will. That’s the point. Destroy the private sector and make everyone dependent on the government.
It’s just that it usually isn’t good for liberals to just come right out and say stuff like that.

For the record, this is the same woman who called the tea parties “despicable and shameful.”
Now, maybe some of you are thinking that it would be ok for the government to run health care. After all, you wouldn’t have to pay for insurance any more right?
Well nationalized health care would cost us more than just tax dollars (which we can ill-afford to pay). It would cost us our freedom. The Obama administration is already talking about rationing health care, which means some bureaucrat deciding when and where and how much health care you’ll get. In the “stimulus” bill Obama already signed into law he created a bureaucracy that will not only collect all of our medical records in one central repository, but will also allow bureaucrats to monitor them to ensure that the care we get is government approved.
And how long, once the government is in charge of our health care, will people who live non-government approved lifestyles (like those who smoke or who are fat) see their health care rationed more than everyone else? For the sake of the greater good?
We like to call ourselves a free country. It’s worth remembering that with freedom comes responsibility. Being free means taking care of yourself. If you refuse to take care of yourself, and invite the government in to do it, then you give up your freedom.
It’s as simple as that.

Tags: Asshats, Domestic Issues, Politics

http://www.vqvgroup.com/ George’s Desk

Beware the Bursting of the Health Care Bubble. Health Care in the USA uses /consumes some 17% of the Domestic National Product, something like $ 2.6 Trillion per year. Its growth has been at 2-5 X the rate of inflation almost every year for 30 years. Many high-income executives in health care, say, “So what”? “We earned our income”. The problem is that much of the $2.6 Trillion does not provide the medical value needed by our people. At least $400 BIllion annually is spent on unnecessary administration, competitive marketing and advertising, lobbying, large incomes, including bonuses, for CEOs and executive staff who run for-profit organizations (and many not-for-profits ) plus profits for shareholders. http://pfx.me/B4
robert108

When the govt starts interfering in a market, it inevitably dominates it, like the education market. Govt enterprise leads to monopoly govt control.
Look at the auto and banking markets.
Mickey

Imagine a health industry run like the DMV.

we are screwed.
Doug

As a doctor, I am ashamed that so many of my colleagues are in favor of this kind of system, knowing full well that it is a failure in every country save those with completely uniform populations. The question is WHAT CAN BE DONE at this point with the Obaminator at the helm, Pelosi in the engine room, and now another supreme court seat about to go to the left? It is truly the antithesis of morality and hope.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

A lot of Americans travel abroad for medical reasons.Medical Tourism

Most of those reasons are costs. And if you look at the website, all the places it offers are third world countries with little, if any, health regulation. None are in socialized countries. The massive reduction in price is simple: less bs, less costs. Most American insurance is even willing to pick up the tab (which, in and of itself, says that the problem with American health insurance isn’t the insurance companies).

http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Of course, there are drawbacks to this too. Such as, you have reduced quality care (though the extent varies), and you have no legal recourse if something goes wrong.

The other problem is that in countries with medical tourism, they drain resources from the community. This is most true in Cuba, where the Castros spend much of their nations health care money on nice hospitals to treat foreigners, while at the local hospitals, the locals have to bring their own sheets.

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
tothestars2

If socialized medicine is so great, ask Ted Kennedy why he didn’t go to Canada for treatment of his cancer!
ellinas

You too! Shalom!
11B40

Greetings:

Interesting woman this Schakowsky; my understanding is that her husband has a felony conviction for fraud. But, I guess, as my Irish grandmother used to say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
ellinas

I actually had a great feta omelet for breakfast today.
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 08:06 pm

There you go! See? We have something in common: Feta cheese.
I bet you also drink Ouzo and/or Arak or Raki. And you top it off with some good Bastirma.
ChuckD

Why do liberals think that the government can run anything better than private industry? Don’t the inefficiencies and injustices of bureaus like the DMV, IRS, and EPA get through their thick skulls? Are they too stupid to research what’s happened (and is happening) in the UK and Canada, where medical services that are routine here are denied on a regular basis by faceless bureaucrats? Why do they think that people from nations around the world come to the USA for medical services?
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

So r180, no actual facts then?
ellinas

What does Minnesota or the weather got to do with this? Maybe you better get back to herding your goats.
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 07:51 pm

Not a damned thing. It is the same as the extra shit you include in your posts.

Patient & Visitor Guide: Mayo Clinic in Arizona, Mayo Clinic in Florida, Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.

Took a stab at guessing where you live.
robert108

The healthcare bubble, like all bubbles, is a result of govt market-rigging. Govt interference in healthcare has raised prices to the level where insurance, with its cost shifting from those who don’t use it to those who do, has become necessary for anyone to afford healthcare at all. Healthcare is too expensive for one reason: the added costs of govt interference with market forces.
carrick

Eillinas:

who the fuck wants to go to Stockton?!?!?”

For sure not Honkers.
pparets

Ellinas… they come by the thousands.
robert108

The private market for healthcare will still exist. If you want to fly first class you can always pay for it. Universal coverage will just mean everyone is covered and it won’ be such a burden to employers. You should love that.

Uneducated little dino continues to poop his diapers with his ignorance of how economics works. Obama wants to outlaw the free market in everything, since the prosperity generated by the free enterprise economic system converts ignorant lefties into knowledgeable conservatives.

That is, you oppose them until you find yourselves in a tight spot.

Wrong again, moron! After the greedy govt has confiscated our money, we want what we have already paid for.
The govt only has what money it takes from the achievers. We pay for everything.
ellinas

Extra shit???
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 08:03 pm

Yes extra shit! Why are you surprised?

This is extra shit: “You haven’t seen any Canadians in your hospitals or health care facilities because, who the fuck wants to go to Stockton?!?!?”
11B40

Greetings: especially “A Citizen”

Link for Rep. Schakowsky’s husband’s criminal convictions:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm
ellinas

And the Canadians come here for health care because????????
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 06:32 pm

I have not seen any Canadians at our hospitals.
Have you?
ellinas

Citizen. So what if a few come to Minnesota.
A lot of Americans travel abroad for medical reasons.Medical Tourism

Ps. Our weather is better in California.):
Man Train

So r180, no actual facts then?

When does he? I could not convince the dogmatic jerkoff that Obama actually won the popular election by 6%. What does this mean? He fails at 1st grade math and logic.

But that’s OK. Trainable individuals like robert108 are valued by those who love him (if any). Even though he will never be a fully capable member of society we must honor him as such, otherwise we risk dehumanizing him.
robert108

Little ribby: His statements about redistributing wealth, which would be “better for everybody”, and “returning wealth to its ‘rightful owners’”; both statements by your Lord Obama.
Are you really that stupid?
I notice you whiffed on my statement that when Americans get wealthier by the operation of the free enterprise economic system, they tend to become more conservative, since they now have “skin in the game”. With his commie background and constant supply of taxpayer money to buy his wagyu steak and his wife’s $540 dollar sneakers, he isn’t subject to the economic insanity he wants to mandate for the rest of us.

Duh.
ellinas

(: ):
http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

Well you can bet that she will be thrown under the bus.
ellinas

If socialized medicine is so great, ask Ted Kennedy why he didn’t go to Canada for treatment of his cancer!

tothestars2 on May 1, 2009 at 05:05 pm

Simple. Because he is an American citizen and lives in the USA.
ellinas

I guess that means you’re done here.
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 07:59 pm

No I was trying to make a smiling face.
I always enjoy talking to my Jewish friend.
I was at a store today looking for Feta. Found some labeled “Pastures of Eden” 100% sheeps milk, and made in Israel. So quit your shit about the goats.
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

r180, will you please link us to any reputable source you might have that clearly shows how Obama wants to “outlaw the free market in everything”.
ellinas

Sorry you get offended so easily.
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 08:09 pm

You are one of the few here that does not offend me.
Another is pparets.
So don’t worry! I don’t mind your bullshit.
ellinas

Ps. Our weather is better in California.(:
Medical Tourism
bill-tb

Well even a donk has a small brain.
Dino2

You market cultists don’t get it.

The private market for healthcare will still exist. If you want to fly first class you can always pay for it. Universal coverage will just mean everyone is covered and it won’ be such a burden to employers. You should love that.

People like you fought Medicare, too. You fight any effort to progress towards collective goals and the efficiencies gained by big programs.

That is, you oppose them until you find yourselves in a tight spot. An acquaitance, a republican who was against universal, single payer, has a daughter with a very rare condition. The care is expensive and costing him a lot. Guess what? He’s now all for govt supported health care. Who’d a thunk it?

Some of your comments were predictably ignorance-filled. You people just spew shit and think you know what you’re talking about. Who said the DMV is inefficient? In Oregon it takes me about an hour to get my car emissions tested and new plates. Getting my license renewed took about 45 minutes.

How many of you have dealt with the EPA that you think it’s inefficient? It’s not.

There’s absolutely no truth to the tired old belief that the private sector is this well-oiled machine superior to the public sector.
carrick

I have it on good authority that a fair number of Canadian Honkers make their way to Rochester, MN.

http://image24.webshots.com/25/7/5/84/83170584aOFOYt_fs.jpg“>

(You’re an idiot if you find yourself in Rochester and don’t eat at the Honker btw. Most incredible breakfast food I’ve had in my entire life.)
sayanything-2819

the one risky behavior they will not regulate ever is sex.

Everything else is fair game.
SigFan

Several years ago my wife was flying over to the UK for business. Due to scarring of one of the valves in her heart caused by scarlet fever as a child, she periodically suffers from a hugely accelerated heartbeat. Most often, when this happens, after a few minutes it comes back down on it’s own, but occasionally she needs medication to get it under control. This time, it did not self-regulate, so when they landed at Gatwick they had her stay on the plane for an extra hour before finally deciding that she should move to a bench in the gate area. After another 45 minutes, they decided they better take her to the hospital. Another 45 minutes later, an ambulance came and took her to the local hospital, where she was left to wait in the patient lounge for another hour. They finally took her into an examining room, found out what the problem was and told her there was nothing they could do for her, since they didn’t have the appropriate medication to give her, but she was welcome to stay there until it self-regulated or she died, whichever came first. Fortunately, it did come back down after another hour and she was able to walk, rather shakily, to the nurses station to tell them she was ready to leave. She asked how she should pay for their “services” and was told that they didn’t know how to accept payment because it was the UK NHS. They told her to slip out the back door and go across the street to a pub and call a cab and no one would be the wiser.

This is an absolutely true story, and if we allow this crap that Obama is trying to foist on us to happen, it will happen here. So, my question to anyone who thinks nationalized medicine is a good thing is this, Do you want this kind of treatment for you or your loved ones?
SigFan

Move_Zig

Bottom line: it’s about them gaining control over every aspect of your life.

It’s stunning to me how many simply don’t see that, or willingly are in denial.
ellinas

Sorry “E” I’m not much of a drinker. An occasional glass of red wine is it for me.
A Citizen on May 1, 2009 at 08:13 pm

I am not much of a drinker either.
I enjoy an occasional glass of red wine, and a shot of ouzo every couple of weeks.
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

Sig,

None of what the Left has in store for America is about benefiting anyone but themselves.

Bottom line: it’s about them gaining control over every aspect of your life.
http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

Ellinas… they come by the thousands.

That is because the Canadians are screwed up with the socialized medicine.
sayanything-2483

Simple. Because he is an American citizen and lives in the USA.
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 06:06 pm

And the Canadians come here for health care because????????
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

A question for Rob now that I think of it. Are you sure that is the correct picture of the pol? It looks like Don Johnson in drag.
sayanything-2483

Not a damned thing. It is the same as the extra shit you include in your posts.
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 08:00 pm

Extra shit???
sayanything-2483

He wants the illegals, more people dependent on government equals more votes. McCain would have done the same thing.
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

What’s surprising about it? We’ve seen gigantic impositions of statism and socialism over and over and somehow we barely survive due to organic societal response and the pressure valve of democratic turnover of politicians and the courts legislating from the bench. People pay scant notice to all the mechanisms and think it can’t be that bad.

You can only retard the system with so much crap before the mechanisms themselves are so clogged that the system fails.

We conservatives never want to see a day when that happens, quite the opposite, but there’s a goodly number of socialist retards willing to go around as puppets to tell the people it’s all the fault of those opposing socialism and if we all just cooperated it would just work.

That’s the whole fucking point. Socialism is not something natural human interest agrees with. We don’t cooperate because it is antithetical to our interests as individuals, as members of families nuclear and extended, as citizens of a free society, etc. Yet the left thinks that they are better than us and our refusal to cooperate makes us evil and stupid for not bowing to their self-believed brilliance.
sayanything-2483

This is extra shit: “You haven’t seen any Canadians in your hospitals or health care facilities because, who the fuck wants to go to Stockton?!?!?”
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 08:07 pm

Sorry you get offended so easily.
sayanything-2483

I have not seen any Canadians at our hospitals.
Have you?
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 07:22 pm

Yes, I have. We have the Mayo Clinic and the Mayo Hospital here. Some of my neighbors spend the winters here from Canada. You haven’t seen any Canadians in your hospitals or health care facilities because, who the fuck wants to go to Stockton?!?!?
sayanything-2483

Interesting woman this Schakowsky; my understanding is that her husband has a felony conviction for fraud.
11B40 on May 1, 2009 at 09:57 am

Does your “understanding” have a link to confirm your claim? Not that it matters, what her husband might have done has nothing to do with what she believes about this issue. Unless you’re talking about Feinstein.
sayanything-2483

Citizen. So what if a few come to Minnesota.
A lot of Americans travel abroad for medical reasons.Medical Tourism
Ps. Our weather is better in California.):
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 07:45 pm

What does Minnesota or the weather got to do with this? Maybe you better get back to herding your goats.
Please tell all of us where and why Americans go abroad for medical reasons.
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

Maybe that’s Obama’s plan to stop illegal immigration. Maybe he plans to drive the country so far into the ground, no one will want to come here.
sayanything-2483

No I was trying to make a smiling face.
I always enjoy talking to my Jewish friend.
I was at a store today looking for Feta. Found some labeled “Pastures of Eden” 100% sheeps milk, and made in Israel. So quit your shit about the goats.
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 08:04 pm

I actually had a great feta omelet for breakfast today.
sayanything-2483

Greetings: especially “A Citizen”
Link for Rep. Schakowsky’s husband’s criminal convictions:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm
11B40 on May 1, 2009 at 07:46 pm

So, writing bad checks is tied into her view on health care??
sayanything-2483

Citizen. So what if a few come to Minnesota.

ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 07:45 pm

I wasn’t talking about Minnesota.
sayanything-2483

(: ):
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 07:52 pm

I guess that means you’re done here.
sayanything-2483

There you go! See? We have something in common: Feta cheese.
I bet you also drink Ouzo and/or Arak or Raki. And you top it off with some good Bastirma.
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 08:11 pm

Sorry “E” I’m not much of a drinker. An occasional glass of red wine is it for me.
sayanything-2483

You are one of the few here that does not offend me.
Another is pparets.
So don’t worry! I don’t mind your bullshit.
ellinas on May 1, 2009 at 08:14 pm

Have a good evening.
sayanything-2483

And…the Canadians will stop coming here for health care when the system is the same as what they get at home. Long lines, long waits and someone then telling you “NO”

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