Democrat Group Wants To Eliminate Social Security For The Wealthy

WASHINGTON - JULY 28: U.S. Speaker of the House Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) (C) speaks during an event to mark the 75th anniversary of the Social Security Act July 28, 2010 outside the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC. The Congress passed the act for the social insurance program to protect against poverty, old age, disability and unemployment 75 years ago. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)

Which is something I’m not necessarily opposed to. Social Security is an entitlement behemoth, the nation is teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity, so anything we can do to reduce spending burden should be on the table.

A Democratic-led policy group is proposing changes in Social Security that party members have resisted for years in an effort to pave the way for recommendations this week by President Barack Obama’s deficit-cutting commission.

Washington-based Third Way said its plan would raise the retirement age, trim or eliminate Social Security benefits for high-income retirees, limit cost-of-living increases and provide money to help young workers create private retirement accounts.

The proposal, to be released after the presidential panel is due to issue its report on Dec. 1, is timed to help create a buffer for congressional Democrats to support politically unpopular deficit-trimming measures, said Third Way spokesman Sean Gibbons.

“Whatever comes out of the commission is going to be a hot potato,” Gibbons said. “So we wanted to send something over that was especially hot.”

Social Security costs will exceed tax revenue beginning in 2015, according to the trustees’ 2010 report. The shortfalls will be covered by the plan’s trust fund until 2037, when those reserves are projected to be exhausted. Over the next 75 years, the trust fund would need another $5.4 trillion in current dollars to pay all scheduled benefits.

The problem, of course, is that there will be no cuts in payroll taxes to offset the reductions in Social Security benefits. The goal is to reduce the deficit, so that makes sense. They’ll keep collecting the same amount of taxes but pay our less.

Not exactly a good deal for the taxpayer.

Really, though, you have to wonder why people who have no need of Social Security end up collecting it. Most elderly Americans do not depend on Social Security. The only collect it because they’re getting back the money that was paid into it.

At the very least, shouldn’t we reduce Social Security to a safety net program rather than an unsustainable government pension system? Pay out Social Security benefits only to those who have an actual need for them. Then cut payroll taxes accordingly.

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  • tarpon

    It would be better to rid ourselves of Obama and get the economy going again. This is very small potatoes compared to the real ponzi scheme problem.

    Read carefully, spot the political theater.

  • The_Whistler

    Hey I'll help them out right now. Let me drop the payroll tax (both sides) and I'll take care of myself when I retire.

  • TheLastBestHope

    Common sense. Make it so.

  • AKAWOOF

    You're in Oz Port, how's Toto?
    "Most elderly Americans do not depend on Social Security"

    # Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 52% of married couples and 72% of unmarried persons receive 50% or more of their income from Social Security.
    # Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 20% of married couples and about 41% of unmarried persons rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income.
    http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/basicfact.htm

    • http://tarheelred.wordpress.com/ pino

      # Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 52% of married couples and 72% of unmarried persons receive 50% or more of their income from Social Security.

      If I have $1,000,000 in the bank when I retire at 69 and I spend about $50k of that a year but don't have a job, what's my income?

    • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com suitepotato

      W is entirely correct. They in fact DO depend on it, and government medical. THAT is how we've managed to have so many outliving the usual human life expectancy. NOT technology, which must be bought by MONEY in a capitalist market system. If you like that system, and you don't want grandma to be going hungry in a homeless shelter because she can't work anymore, then this system is absolutely necessary. Of course, it is a sad commentary that you do nothing to take care of your parents. I foresee a future of multigenerational living under one roof if for no other reason, than people are bound and determined to destroy what to date has been a sort-of-decent system.

      (Largely, the destruction is wrought by inane economic and social policies, left and right.)

  • Proof_Positive

    So are the wealthy going to be exempted from paying in to the SS system or are they just going to have their money stolen?

    • ellinas1

      Hell no! No exemptions from the SS tax.

      • thormat

        Now, if that is not a classic Dem reply to the question!

    • http://tarheelred.wordpress.com/ pino

      So are the wealthy going to be exempted from paying in to the SS system or are they just going to have their money stolen?

      That, of course, would be the goal; to let everyone opt out. However, for now,, it looks like they are going to recommend several methods to reigning in this SS monster. 1 of which is to limit or eliminate payments to the wealthy retired.

      Even if they do THAT, however, nothing I have seen would suggest that any benefits would be touched to people over the age of 55. Those folks have already begin to plan on some of their retirement being SS payments.

    • flamemeister

      Finally!!! Somebody got to the first point in the issue.

  • headward

    If they could just elimate the whole system would be swell. The dollar would recover so fast against other currency and the country's debt would start running down.

  • Brian

    Proof Pos… absolutely yes, if you paid in… YOU LOSE! As for exemptions? Heck no! How are we going to float SS if we selectively allow the sane among us to opt out? I still have 15-20 yrs to retirement and I'D opt out and invest it… or at the very least put the $$ into hard currency (gold/silver) for when the dollar tanks. The good ship USA is taking on water and the leftists are in the hold drilling holes in the hull to let the water out…..

    • boborygmi

      When the dollar tanks what good is the gold and silver? You are better off buying a bunch of rice. Try to eat gold or silver.

      • flamemeister

        Yes. Real estate is better. It can be rented, and there will be renters. Land is good. Gold can, and has been, confiscated. Necessary objects before inflation sets in. Rice & beans. There's a famous story about having nothing left but gold to eat.

        • camsaure

          I agree, but how long before the left goes after private property also. They have to be stopped in more ways then one.

          • flamemeister

            Unchecked they will go after everything including the people's lives and souls. I was going to say that property might take a little longer, but that is not necessarily so. The confiscation of private property is the leftist capstone. It brings together and solves leftist energy, health, security, and general government control problems. Obama and the left are working toward this goal. Making energy expensive and collectivizing transportation (eliminating private transportation) forces more and more people out of thinly populated rural areas (a goal of FDR's, by the way) and into energy-efficient, diet-and-health-managed housing with standardized death panels and corpse-processing. I believe that it was Nicolae Ceauşescu who bulldozed all the old buildings (many historic) of Romania, built ticky-tack cliff-dwellings (ugly in ways that only communists can tolerate), and then assigned what were, basically, three-dimensional coordinates as a code to identify who the people were and where they had better be living. He was killed mercifully (I think) in 1989 with the collapse of the USSR. Yes, they have to be stopped.

    • Proof_Positive

      It's bad enough that Social Security only gets about a 2% return on your "investment", and I understand the rationale for "means testing", but if you're going to deny any return at all to people who have paid into the system, it seems to me that you're on pretty shaky legal grounds.
      The least the Democrats could do here is get a mask and a gun…

  • ellinas1

    A grand idea. Everybody pays, the needy benefit.

    • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com suitepotato

      NO. You on the left said that about welfare. When you are able to walk into a housing project and explain to the people there why 75% of all welfare spending goes to the system (largely white upper middle class college educated) and not them, get back to me about this idea.

    • flamemeister

      ellinas, you're smarter than that.

  • boborygmi

    Should society go back to where possible children take care of Parents. The problem comes in at what is defined
    as 'where it is possible'. How much do you sacrifice to take care of you aging parents. How many people do you know that try to seperate parents estate from the parents so the retirement facility doesn't take everything? A common practice to save the family farm.

  • Proof_Positive

    In principle (look it up, liberals!) what's the difference between confiscating all the funds in a "wealthy" person's SS account and confiscating similar sums directly from their bank accounts or tax refunds?

    "Sorry. We've 'means tested' your tax return and you don't need, therefore do not deserve to have, all the money the law says you are entitled to."

    That makes a "slippery slope" look like flat Velcro.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kdflanagan Kevin Flanagan

    SS was sold as an insurance program. How many insurance policies "means test" before they pay claims?

    • sbark76

      ever notice the Left uses "ins." term quite a bit…………….SS Ins, Medicare Ins, FDIC Ins, ObamaCare Ins,

      gives it that nice personal feeling to a Ponzi scheme…….

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  • 2Hotel9

    Does this mean all Democrats who have been in elected office during the last 75 years will be stripped of their benefits?

    • http://www.breitbart.tv/ SigFan

      Brilliant idea. Let's start with them first and see how it goes.

    • camsaure

      Agreed, They have said nothing about their cushy retirement plan paid for by the taxpayers. Why don't those jerks in congress put their money where their mouth is.

  • http://www.breitbart.tv/ SigFan

    So, people like my wife and I, who have been high earning and therefore paying the max into SS for our entire lives are to be told that they were only kidding when they said that SS was a "guaranteed" program? Sorry people, while I hate SS with a passion, and would willingly take half of what I paid in in a one-time tax free lump, totally denying people that have been forced to pay all their lives is nothing less than grand larceny. Madoff went to jail for the exact same thing on a much smaller scale. Besides the sheer moral repugnance of this, who gets to decide who has "too much" or "doesn't need" their own money? And if they do this, what's to stop them from eventually saying that unless you are at or below the poverty level you don't get it? Kill it entirely, for everyone, pay out on some reduced scale to those over age 50 that have been paying forever and require a similar percentage of your income to be invested in a privately held retirement plan from then on. Short of that it's thievery on a scale that we can't even imagine.

  • Troy

    How about "means testing" the recipient. Is it my fault that I planned for the later part of my life by not having the latest gadgets, the newest vehicle, the biggest house, the best cable package, etc.? They should show where they spent all their money throughout their life time. There are those in this society that are physically and/or mentally not able to work. I get that. We as a society do and should continue to care for those less fortunate. Those that were able to work and spent it like a sailor on leave thinking SS would take care of them…well, I hope you had fun while it lasted.

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  • tyrone

    then they should not be forced to pay in if they cant get it back,,, and how come no one mentions the low life scumbags who are fleecing the taxpayers out of billions yearly in food stamps welfare medicaid and every other government hand out known to man all the while never working and on drugs for years

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