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Deluded Liberals Think The Mere Presence Of Obama In The White House Will Cure Economic Woes

First it was Gail Collins calling on Bush to resign in order to hasten the injection of a liberal leader into the White House.  Now Thomas Friedman is essentially doing the same thing.

These liberals are slobbering about the idea of Obama taking power.  They don’t even want to wait for the Constitutionally-mapped transition process to take place.  They want their messiah, and they want him now.

Now you know why I don’t get invited out for dinner much these days. If I had my druthers right now we would convene a special session of Congress, amend the Constitution and move up the inauguration from Jan. 20 to Thanksgiving Day. Forget the inaugural balls; we can’t afford them. Forget the grandstands; we don’t need them. Just get me a Supreme Court justice and a Bible, and let’s swear in Barack Obama right now — by choice — with the same haste we did — by necessity — with L.B.J. in the back of Air Force One.

Unfortunately, it would take too long for a majority of states to ratify such an amendment. What we can do now, though, said the Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein, co-author of “The Broken Branch,” is “ask President Bush to appoint Tim Geithner, Barack Obama’s proposed Treasury secretary, immediately.” Make him a Bush appointment and let him take over next week. This is not a knock on Hank Paulson. It’s simply that we can’t afford two months of transition where the markets don’t know who is in charge or where we’re going. At the same time, Congress should remain in permanent session to pass any needed legislation.

This is the real “Code Red.” As one banker remarked to me: “We finally found the W.M.D.” They were buried in our own backyard — subprime mortgages and all the derivatives attached to them.

Friedman is right to a certain extent: The markets don’t know what’s coming from Barack Obama.  And neither, frankly, do a lot of us up to and including Tom Friedman.

Obama was vague, at best, about his economic plans during the campaign.  About the only move he was specific about was his “tax cut for 95% of Americans.”  But really all that consists of is a tax hike for Americans who are already paying the most in taxes, and a welfare check issued by the IRS for everyone else.  And even that wasn’t a specific plan given that Obama’s cut off for tax hikes kept dropping as the campaign went on.

Obama won’t even be announcing his economic team until tomorrow, and yet for these liberals it doesn’t even seem to matter.  They seem to think that Obama will simply cure all ills through his sheer hope ‘n changiness.

Well that’s not going to happen.

Friedman complains that the market is in chaos because the market doesn’t have a “firm hand at the rudder.”  Market actors don’t know what’s coming, and so the markets are tanking.  I’d suggest the opposite.  I think the markets do know what’s coming, at least generally.  It’s going to be massive new tax hikes, burdensome new regulations, and ultimately a return to the economic principles of Jimmy Carter.  And in response to that, smart people are getting out of the market and staying out and taking their profits while they can before Obama and his cronies increase the government’s share.

If we really want the market to settle down we shouldn’t be trying to hasten Obama’s ascent into power.  We should be begging him to rescind the economic promises he’s made to this point.  Because that’s what is really driving the market down.

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Obamamania really is a cult.


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Proof on November 23, 2008 at 10:37 am

I heard on a conservative radio show that someone conducted a poll and by a large percentage Americans gave Obama their approval as President so far. He is not the president but the polls score him very high as president, now that is bizzare. I have also heard liberals clamoring for a December 1st, 2008 Innaguration of Obama. Naw, this is not a cult, much!


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Neiman on November 23, 2008 at 10:38 am
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Obamamania really is a cult.

And BDS is a chronic condition that would not go away on Jan 20th it will be here for many years.

tjexcite on November 23, 2008 at 10:45 am

I agree with Rob’s take that the markets are adjusting to the economic platform that Obama ran on. The best thing for the Country and the Economy would be for him to disclaim his campaign promises and, in the name of the “Economic Crisis”, adopt positions opposite to his campaign.  BUT unfortunately we have experience with hard leftists.  They actually believe their own Baloney.  I think Obama is the biggest believer in the Obama cult, unfortunately.

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 11:09 am

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realitybasedbob on November 23, 2008 at 11:12 am

His [and the dem’s] strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution, blends Saul Alinsky concepts with Marxism’s more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government.

To achieve their revolutionary change, they will continue to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a catastrophic re-distribution of the nation’s wealth.


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AKAJOEL on November 23, 2008 at 11:23 am

and a welfare check issued by the IRS for everyone else.

People keep repeating this!

Now, will somebody give me some source to support this argument!

40 some percent of americans have no annual federal tax liability. Many of them are unemployed. Now, where does it say that Obama will be sending those who don’t pay taxes tax money back?

Eddie_the_Hated on November 23, 2008 at 12:17 pm
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Tough times are ahead.
I am the owner of a Car Dealership. Trust me, they’re here now.
However, using the enclosed, proscribed math and logic, my vote is to simply draft Sarah Palin for the Presidency.
BO’s going to do such a lousy job, why wait four years?
Let’s have her do for the country what she’s done for Alaska.
At lease she has a track record of winning in this horse race.

Jerry on November 23, 2008 at 12:30 pm

I agree with Rob’s take that the markets are adjusting to the economic platform that Obama ran on. The best thing for the Country and the Economy would be for him to disclaim his campaign promises and, in the name of the “Economic Crisis”, adopt positions opposite to his campaign.  BUT unfortunately we have experience with hard leftists.  They actually believe their own Baloney.  I think Obama is the biggest believer in the Obama cult, unfortunately.

You’re right Marxism doesn’t work in a free market society or enconomy.


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goon on November 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm

The BUSH Stimulus Package did that.

where does it say that Obama will be sending those who don’t pay taxes tax money back?

Next packge will be Obama’s.

WOOF on November 23, 2008 at 01:07 pm
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Oh we know that fixing the mess made by 30 years of conservatism is going to be hard and not reparable in a short time. The last time you people had total control, the 30 years leading up to the Great Depression, it took decades to erase the damage. But I think there are two things we need to remember: You aren’t in power anymore and back then we managed to not only reverse the damage, the liberals put in place policies that guaranteed them control for FORTY YEARS.

In 8 years you people won’t even recognize this country. We’ll have remade it to look like socialist Europe. We’ll be cramming so much liberalism down your throats all you’ll be able to do is open wide and swallow.

And we have you to thank for it. The failures of your leaders, the dismal job they did managing the country will haunt your side for a generation or more. It’s worth it to go through tough, lean times to see conservatism relegated to the dustbin of history at least until you can hookdwink a generation of the future into giving you back the reins. Luckily I’ll be gone by then and get to live out my remaining days seeing republicans turned primarily into a regional party of white trash southerners.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 01:08 pm

The two aren’t directly comparable without making that same logical leap-of-faith. Because bushes economic stimulus packages gave money to people with no jobs, Obama’s tax cuts will give money to people with no jobs?

Apples and oranges until convinced otherwise.

Eddie_the_Hated on November 23, 2008 at 01:12 pm

You’re correct, Eddie.
O does not = B
We shall see.

WOOF on November 23, 2008 at 01:31 pm

Oh we know that fixing the mess made by 30 years of conservatism is going to be hard and not reparable in a short time. The last time you people had total control, the 30 years leading up to the Great Depression, it took decades to erase the damage. But I think there are two things we need to remember: You aren’t in power anymore and back then we managed to not only reverse the damage, the liberals put in place policies that guaranteed them control for FORTY YEARS.

In 8 years you people won’t even recognize this country. We’ll have remade it to look like socialist Europe. We’ll be cramming so much liberalism down your throats all you’ll be able to do is open wide and swallow.

You really shouldn’t do drugs and post stupid comments on the internet. The GOP has not been in charge for the last 30 years so nice try troll…


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goon on November 23, 2008 at 01:35 pm
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So let’s go with your premise that markets anticipate the future.

The crash of 87: Was the market anticipating Bush Sr, reacting to 7 years of Reagan or anticipating the then unknown Bill Clinton election 5 years later?

The recession of 91: Was the market anticipating the election of Bill Clinton who was not yet a candidate or the miserable job done by Bush Sr?

1974, when the market lost half it’s value: Was it anticipating the election of then-unknown Jimmy Carter in 76 or the horrendous job done by Nixon from 68-74?

And the big enchilada: The crash of 29: Was it the anticipation of Rosevelt’s four terms or a reaction to the previous 30 years of republican rule and fiscal mismanagement?

Try and spin those, republicans. This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 01:39 pm
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The agenda and policies we have pursued have been primarily conservative. As for who controlled the country:

28 years of conservative ideological dominance

20 of the last 28 years with a republican President 1980-1992, 2000-2008

Republican majority Congress:

Republican Senate 1981-1987, 1995-2007

Republican House 1995-2007

(total republican control of Congress 1995-2007)

The last 8 years with a republican President and Congress 2000-2008

Compared with:

Democrats with a slim Congressional majority under a republican president 2007-2008

Note: I’ll bet most of you conservatives believe the Congress was democrat controlled under reagan when in fact the Senate was republican for 6 of the 8 reagan years. Kind of takes away that blame you try and stick on democrats for the way reagan turned us into the biggest debtor nation in a few short years.

Try again, republicans.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 01:43 pm

No need to Spin the Facts that the Period from 1982 to 2001 was the Greatest period of Stock Market Growth and Wealth Building by a people in the History of the World.  I just wish that Conservative control of the Country had been as complete as Dino (Wino) insists (for one thing, the Republicans did NOT control the Senate every year between 1995 and 2006).  That way we not only would have experienced unprecedented growth, but reformed our horrible entitlement programs as well.

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Best Government $$$ Can Buy on November 23, 2008 at 02:33 pm
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Dino,.. Dino…

Go fetch this Brontosaurus bone.
I think I hear Wilma callin’ ya..

Jerry on November 23, 2008 at 02:55 pm

Luckily I’ll be gone by then and get to live out my remaining days seeing republicans turned primarily into a regional party of white trash southerners.

I, for one, will enjoy watching these two birds of a feather, Obama and Carter, draw similar failures while in office.

So go and get your cardigan out of mothballs and take this little quiz, keeping in mind that the following quotes are taken from a single speech Obama made in Lansing, Michigan this week and one that Jimmy Carter delivered in July of 1979 to cheer the country during our “crisis of confidence.” Was it Barack Obama or Jimmy Carter who said:

1) “Our economy is in turmoil and our families are struggling with rising costs and falling incomes; with lost jobs and lost homes and lost faith in the American Dream.”

2) “We’ve always had a faith that the days of our children would be better than our own. Our people are losing that faith, not only in government itself but in the ability as citizens to serve as the ultimate rulers and shape rs of our democracy.”

3) “In little more than two decades we’ve gone from a position of energy independence to one in which almost half the oil we use comes from foreign countries, at prices that are going through the roof.”

4) “Back then, we imported about a third of our oil. Now, we import more than half.”

5) “Will we allow ourselves to be held hostage to the whims of tyrants and dictators who control the world’s oil wells?”

6) “Our excessive dependence on OPEC has already taken a tremendous toll on our economy and our people.”

7) “These efforts will cost money, a lot of money, and that is why Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay. It will be money well spent. Unlike the billions of dollars that we ship to foreign countries to pay for foreign oil, these funds will be paid by Americans to Americans.”

“I believe we should immediately give every working family in America a $1,000 energy rebate, and we should pay for it with part of the record profits that the oil companies are making right now.”

9) “In just ten years, these steps will produce enough renewable energy to replace all the oil we import from the Middle East.”

10) “I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade.”

11) “Think about how World War II forced us to transform a peacetime economy still climbing out of Depression into an Arsenal of Democracy that could wage war across three continents.”

12) “Just as a similar synthetic rubber corporation helped us win World War II, so will we mobilize American determination and ability to win the energy war.”

13) “I’ll also extend the Production Tax Credit for five years to encourage the production of renewable energy like wind power, solar power, and geothermal energy.”

14) “I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation’s history to develop America’s own alternative sources of fuel — from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun.”

15) “Think about when the scientists and engineers told John F. Kennedy that they had no idea how to put a man on the moon, he told them they would find a way.”

16) “We ourselves are the same Americans who just ten years ago put a man on the Moon.”

17) “We will set a goal of making our new buildings 50 percent more efficient over the next four years.”

18) “I’m asking Congress to mandate, to require as a matter of law, that our nation’s utility companies cut their massive use of oil by 50 percent within the next decade and switch to other fuels, especially coal, our most abundant energy source.”

19) “And we’ll invest in the technology that will allow us to use more coal, America’s most abundant energy source…

Answers: 1) Obama, 2) Carter, 3) Carter, 4) Obama, 5) Obama, 6) Carter, 7) Carter,  Obama, 9) Obama, 10) Carter, 11) Obama, 12) Carter, 13) Obama, 14) Carter, 15) Obama, 16) Carter, 17) Obama, 18) Carter, 19) Obama


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Mickey on November 23, 2008 at 02:57 pm
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Carter inherited a huge mess from Nixon/Ford just as Obama is inheriting a mess from Bush. See, that’s why the voters gave Obama 7 million more votes than McCain. Recall that bush won in 2004 by only 3 million. An incumbent. Ouch.

And I just love the way you people throw around superlatives! “The biggest in the history of mankind” type stuff. It’s hilarious. So far though, republican leadership has led us to the TWO biggest economic emergencies in this country’s history. In the 1930s and today. I’m not sure what happened throughtout mankind’s history though I suspect conservatives of every civilization, era, period, whatever, were like a weight around the neck of those who struggled to move humankind forward.

Even Tom Friedman blamesd Reagan for starting this mess.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 03:45 pm

Dino, Yabba dabba do!  Of course Friedman “blamesd Reagan for starting this mess.”  You don’t think that energy-guzzling Liberal Hypocrite would be objective, do you?  AND poor man, you really are History-Challenged!  The current Economic slowdown doesn’t even compare to the Depression, at least, not until Obama and the Dems in Congress get their hands on the economy.  AND we had several severe Depressions in the 19th century much worse than today. AND IF Carter inherited poor conditions from Ford, what do you think Reagan inherited from Carter?  My goodness, with you the fish get bigger and the barrel gets smaller!  Bang, bang!

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 04:06 pm
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Everyone expects things to get worse. That’s why they rejected the republicans in such huge numbers. The people know things will be better under democrats and they will. People don’t trust the party of Abramoff, DeLay and Cheney.

This would be the second election in a row where the republicans were soundly rejected by SEVEN MILLION VOTES. It wasn’t a mistake, a media plot or an anomoly. The republicans FAILED and will be out of power for a generation or more as people associate the impending economic debacle with republicans and their backwards, greed-fueled, inhumane policies. I’m all too sure the democrats will make sure and draw that association quite often in the coming years.

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This would be the second election in a row where the republicans were soundly rejected by SEVEN MILLION VOTES

Mr. Saur: In a nation of over Three Hundred Million, seven million is a hair over 2%.

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Hmm. Still no answers to my post of 1:39. Odd, you people usually have all the answers.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 05:09 pm
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Seven million is a much higher percentage of reigstered voters. That is unless you think we should count children who can’t vote also.

When bush got 3 million more votes than Kerry, you people were crowing about a mandate and widespread support for republican policies. That makes Obama’s win an obliteration of republicans and a near monarchy. LOL

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 05:19 pm

Most of the Dems that voted for Obama were unaware of anything he had in mind other than “Hope & “Change”.  I think most Americans in general still have no real idea what he has in mind other than Socialism. The voters were shielded from facts about Obama’s stance on everything!  Hope & Change? What the heck does that mean?  Sounds like Socialism to me.

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 05:19 pm

Please OH PLEASE keep up with the ODS, nutters.

If Barry Hussein has a few successes early in his administration, on any front, his approval rating will jump even higher than they are now, the country will rally behind him, reject the bitter and shrinking ODS crowd and the gop will be in for another landslide loss in 2010.

So please keep up the noise.


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realitybasedbob on November 23, 2008 at 05:26 pm
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Dino - You make such good points.  Here’s another one.  Do a web search for a 1999 NY Times article written by Steven Holmes “Fannie Mae Eases Credit to Aid Mortgage Lending”.  If you can READ, Please READ it and then come back and tell all of us that the Republicans have screwed this country up.  My guess is that you will remain stupid and not search nor read the article.  Let me know. Pay particular attention to what President Clinton was doing with the housing market and how it could blow up some day.  I bet I don’t hear from you on this site again.

sc on November 23, 2008 at 05:54 pm
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Here’s several articles that refute the Fannie & Freddie obsession you people have:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/misunderstandin.html

http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/fannie-freddie-data/

And here’s one that talks about how republicans killed regulating the GSEs:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081019/the_influence_game_housing.html

Sorry bud, the meltdown was cause by republicans on Wall Street and their republican friends in Washington.

You’ll NEVER outsmart me. No conservative ever has.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 06:13 pm

You’ll NEVER outsmart me. No conservative ever has.

Wow what an ego.

No, we don’t have to outsmart you, we just sit here and watch you implode.

FUNNY.


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Seven million is a much higher percentage of reigstered (sic) voters.

Yes! Obama got 52% of the registered voters who cast votes.

You’re easily impressed aren’t you, Mr. Saur? Try not to get a nosebleed on top of that molehill!


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Dino:  Who started the ball rolling with subprime interest for poor people?  Now these people have defaulted on many of these loans causing a very serious financial problem.  You and I both know that Republicans would never do anything for the poor.  Right.  Now your so smart, who started a pilot plan with 24 banks in the 90’s to put millions of poor people into housing they couldn’t afford and now we are paying the price? You don’t even know what a subprime mortgage is.

sc on November 23, 2008 at 07:53 pm
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Hey SC,

Read this analysis from the OC Register (republican paper). It says that 4 out of every 5 loans that went belly up were NOT due to the wretched poor people your kind blames for all your problems:

Most subprime lenders weren’t subject to federal lending law

Did a 31-year-old law giving poor people a break at the bank accidentally break the bank?
A lot of opinion leaders think so. From the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal to talk shows to the op-ed page of The Register, people are charging that the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 forced banks to make bad loans, leading to financial Armageddon.
There’s just one problem: It isn’t true.
A Register analysis of more than 12 million subprime mortgages worth nearly $2 trillion shows that most of the lenders who made risky subprime loans were exempt from the Community Reinvestment Act. And many of the lenders covered by the law that did make subprime loans came late to that market – after smaller, unregulated players showed there was money to be made.

Well lookie here! Turns out it was the unregulated open market that made 80% of the bad loans! No doubt most of the companies were run by republicans.

Like shootiing fish in a barrel.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 10:14 pm

I am liking this new Dino fella.


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robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

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realitybasedbob on November 23, 2008 at 10:24 pm
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Really Bob?

I had thought you above that type of silliness. I don’t usually agree with you, but never have I thought you were ridiculous like the Dino lad. His ego knows no bounds.

di butler on November 23, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Republicans failed to convince the stupid.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 11:19 pm
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Yes, the mouthbreathers that showed up for McCain rallies were all Rhodes Scholars. Sarah Palin herself was known to spend her time on the campaign aricraft performing high level nuclear physics computations and curing cancer.

That video you republicans keep passing around like some rosetta stone of proof that your guy was the better candidate is a feeble attempt at rationalizing your stunning defeat. Here’s a clue: Your guy lost because his political party gave us the New Great Depression due to their negligence and mismanagement of the economy.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 11:26 pm

What a surprise. More “Hope” and “Change” insulting.

So much for hopes of maturity with Dino.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 11:33 pm
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You post that video and say that Obama supporters were stupid and then call me immature? Sure, ok.

Maturity is taking your loss and tying to figure out why the people are starting to despise conservatives.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 11:45 pm
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Dino,

FYI, calling people “mouth breathers” and “white trash” endears you to no one. If you don’t like this blog, or the people here, then leave. You are being disrespectful to Rob, and everyone else. I don’t know anyone on here who likes McCain, so what is your beef?

di butler on November 23, 2008 at 11:57 pm

Dino talking about something of which he knows not, Maturity is taking your loss and tying to figure out why the people are starting to despise conservatives.

STFU. You spend so much of your time assuming and talking out of your ass.

This blog’s conservatives do a lot of introspective questioning on the front page, the readers’ pages, and in the comments.

YOU do NO such thing. You’re just here to insult.

As for why many “despise conservatives”, hell, many don’t even know what they’re talking about.

“Hope” and “Change”!

“Wait, what was the question again? Who is Nancy Pelosi? I’ve never heard of her.”

“Hope” and “Change”!

“No, I don’t mind if Palin is VP.”

“Hope” and “Change”!

The average Obama supporter is clueless and you’re doing nothing to dispel that notion.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 11:57 pm
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I don’t see a lot of respect on here given to anyone not fitting the narrow confines of right wing orthydoxy. Every headline reads like a FOX News headline or worse. There’s no balance or reasonable discussion. Read the responses I get.

Why do people start blogs if they only want input from the like-minded?

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 12:07 am

There is the main page, and there are reader pages, in which those who do reader pages are liberal, democrat, conservative, republican independent in thoughts can post thier own posts in which people can respond in comments just as you have been doing here.

Say Anything is probably the most diverse in its inclusion of all elements, sexual, mental and diversial.

Take the time to read through both the main page and reder posts before you say this is all like-minded.


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I don’t see a lot of respect on here given to anyone not fitting the narrow confines of right wing orthydoxy (sic)

Actually, quite a lot of respect is given to well reasoned arguments from either side of the fence.
We don’t, however, respect dumbasses, so if you’re not feeling the love, do the math!

BTW, is “Dino” an acronym for “D*mned if I (k)NOw” ?


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never have I thought you were ridiculous like the Dino lad.

di: Welcome to bob’s “reality”. Heh.


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Proof on November 24, 2008 at 06:40 am

Dino,

By the way, which of the people in the video above were you???

STUPID.

Not one of these people should have been allowed to cast a ballot.

My philosophy is, if you can’t pass the citizenship exam that all new Americans have to pass to be a citizen of this great country, then you should not be allowed to vote.

We pay too many millions of dollars to public education to have it be that people don’t know this important information.

Maybe we need to go the direction of the movie ‘Starship Troopers’.  The only people allowed to vote are citizens, and the only way to become a citizen is to serve in the military.

I would gladly give up my vote (since I never served) to allow the people that defend our country to choose our leaders.

I grew up in a military family, but never served because I couldn’t pass the physical.


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Gman on November 24, 2008 at 07:26 am
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Amen, Gman!!!!!

If I have said it once, I’ve said it a dozen times. Either a basic knowledge test, or only the military votes. I would gladly give up my vote to someone putting their ass on the line for our country. Whether you are a D or a R or a L, everyone should support the military. Don’t like war? Fine, but support our guys over there trying to do their best.

di butler on November 24, 2008 at 07:42 am
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How heroic is it to travel to another country armed to the teeth and beat up on a civilian population? And then you wonder how 9/11 happened.

Supporting the troops is like supporting murderers.

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 08:21 am

It is too bad the troops have to protect the likes of you! You are such an idiot, Dino. Providing for the defense is what we do as Americans. Go play with Cindy Sheehan!

Zsa Zsa on November 24, 2008 at 08:24 am
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Is murdering tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, including lots of children, a defensive act or an offensive one?

America loses 3000 greedy republican bond traders on 9/11 and think the world came to an end yet we expect Iraqis to shrug off the destruction of their country and so many of its civilians.

Now THAT’S arrogance.

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 08:40 am
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Is murdering tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, including lots of children, a defensive act or an offensive one?

Heck no!
Why do you think we went after hussein?!
/saddom not obama
Now, he’ll never be able to kill again.
You can Thank the U.S.

RebTex on November 24, 2008 at 08:58 am

Dino - America loses 3000 greedy republican bond traders on 9/11 and think the world came to an end yet we expect Iraqis to shrug off the destruction of their country and so many of its civilians.

There’s your “Hope” and “Change”, America.

likwidshoe on November 24, 2008 at 01:33 pm
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I lost someone I loved on 9/11, you p.o.s.!!!! Please just quit posting here on SAB if you are going to just insult people and call them names. If you want to have a discussion that is meaningful, it doesn’t help to continually be so nasty. We have plenty of people here who disagree with each other, Woof, Puzzlefeet, Bob, Ollie, Hannitized, etc. lean left. However, they actually can have discussions, and they don’t have egos as big as a house. You need to grow up a little, get some anger management or something and quit attacking people.

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If this guy’s bulb were any dimmer, he’d be a black hole! Heh.


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