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Ron Paul is not alone in knowing about the idea of a North American Union.  Why do you think that Bush keeps the borders open?—even with all the scare about terrorism.  Ron Paul doesn’t claim that this is some book of Revelation thing—it’s a fact that world business leaders work together with politicians and they meet w/out congressional oversight in secret and that is wrong and that’s a fact.  You are the one who either has something to gain from not being truthful or you are simply naive.
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Ron Paul is not alone in knowing about the idea of a North American Union.

How can you “know” about something that doesn’t exist?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

I’m a 48 year old grandfather who’s greatly appreciating the Ron Paul Presidential campaign! The BIGGER story however is, that Ron Paul has $5.3M cash on hand and that he’s NOT going to take matching funds! Most political experts est. the Ron Paul ever rapidly growing grass-roots volunteer army of 50,000+ to be worth the equivalent of $10M+ per month in campaign contributions! SO WAKE UP NEOCONS & WAR MONGERS! America is sick and tired of “BIG BROTHER” government breathing down our necks and getting us involved in no-win, unconstitionally, undeclared “military-industrial” growth wars in the middle east, plus the 130 other countries we have a presence in at the taxpayers expense of $1 TRILLION per year! I personally loathe working 5 months out of the year to pay my income tax obligation that’s earmarked 100% for the “interest-only” payment on the $10 TRILLION National debt to the “ultra-private” Federal Reserve Banking Cartel! Of course, I detest our current “pack of beaurocrats” who are spending our tax dollars like “junkies waiting for their next fix!” I am however, extremely delighted as to the way Ron Paul has shown his frugal fiscal responsibility regarding his own personal campaign - Let’s compare that with ANY other presidential candidates finances and review their “donations vs. expenditures” ratios? Then ask yourself this important question - Who do you really want running our economy for the next 4-8 years? A fiscal conservative who thinks our dollars should be backed by something other than printing money out of “thin air” and who would replace the dreaded “Income Tax” with NOTHING!  Or just the same ‘ole same ‘ole ...btw…FYI to MSM a point of clarification ... In the United States, non-interventionism has often been confused with Isolationism. Critics of non-interventionism frequently add to this confusion by smearing prominent non-interventionist as isolationists. However, true isolationism combines a non-interventionist foreign policy with protectionism (economic nationalism) and strict border controls to prevent international travel and cultural exchange. The majority non-interventionists in the United States reject protectionism in favor of free trade, international travel, and cultural exchange. YES, Ron Paul is a NON-INTERVENTIONIST! Please for God Sake learn the difference, unless you’re intentially misleading or smearing Ron Paul. Also, while I’m on a roll - The term “Long Shot” for Ron Paul can gracefully be discarded into the compost pile of media bias and propaganda. Folks, this may be our last chance ... The choice is YOURS! ... GOOGLE Ron Paul for yourself and get the WHOLE story on the man many believe to be an American Hero!!!

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Ronnie and the Paulettes are certainly giving Hillary her money’s worth. Tell us, Chris, what Cabinet slot has Hillary Promised Ron? Or does he get an Ambassador posting?

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“How can you “know” about something that doesn’t exist? “

How do you know it doesnt exist? There is plenty of evidence that suggests it does.

Folks, this may be our last chance

No hyperbole there!
I saw an animated ad for Ron Paul at a comic website (please don’t get ahead of me!). It was one of my favorite comics, Day by Day. But, the ad sounds rather like an over-blown action movie trailer (imagine that voice-over guy doing this!):

One man…

(picture of bat symbol, then sloppy “X” superimposed over it)

One hope…

(picture of different bat symbol, then sloppy “X” superimposed over it)

...to restore the republic

Ron Paul- Hope for America

If the medium is the message, then Ron Paul is trying to appeal to comic fans as one better than a caped crusader to save America. Maybe he should start making his speeches wearing tights?

Visit the site yourself and see if this ad, crudely done, strikes you as as big a joke as it does me!

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“Ronnie and the Paulettes are certainly giving Hillary her money’s worth. Tell us, Chris, what Cabinet slot has Hillary Promised Ron? Or does he get an Ambassador posting?”

That makes absolutely so sense at all.

Ron Paul is the strongest anti-Hillary candidate.  Rudy McRompson are almost indistinguishable from Hillary.  Rumor has that Rudy G. and Hillary regularly exchanges dresses and makeup tips with each other. 

Besides, Ron Paul voted to impeach Bill Clinton, so I doubt there’s any love there.

How do you know it doesnt exist? There is plenty of evidence that suggests it does.

No evidence at all; only theories.  Y2K

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Ron Paul is a simple-minded reactionary.  He’s nuttier than Ross Perot.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

IF Working to get our constitutional standards back that we’ve given away is nuts, put me in the nut barrel.

That’s not what Paul is doing; check out his reactionary, 19th Century economic ideas.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Ron Paul is a simple-minded reactionary.

You say that like it’s a bad thing!

Jim Addison over at Wizbang has a story of a vote:

On Tuesday, the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed HR 203, a Resolution Condemning the persecution of labor rights advocates in Iran. The dictatorial regime of the mad mullahs has been arresting labor leaders without legal charge or trial, so the resolution was a no-brainer and passed 418-1, with 12 not voting and 1 voting “Present.”

Voting “No” - Ron Paul.
Voting “Present” - Dennis Kucinich.
Maybe these two have more in common than we thought!

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You say that like it’s a bad thing!

For President of the United States, it’s definitely a bad thing.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Why do you insist on demonstrating your own ignorance every time you accuse Ron Paul of being a crank or a kook?  You’ve done it time and again, so I can only conclude that you must be a glutton for punishment. 

Do you think repeatedly denying that the earth is flat would make it true?  Then why do you keep denying that there are indeed powerful and influential people who have called for a political and monetary union of North America along the same lines as the European Union?

You need to educate yourself.  I’d suggest that you start by reading the reports issued by the Council on Foreign Relations’ Independent Task Force on North America, which laid out the vision on which the very real Security and Prosperity Partnership (you know, the one under which President Bush just last month allowed Mexican cargo trucks to begin entering the United States freely and without inspection). 

Furthermore, the CFR (of which such luminaries as Hillary Clinton and Fred Thompson are a part), continues to advocate a further union beyond the SPP, some members even calling for a monetary union.

You need to stop attacking Ron Paul just because he’s more informed than you are and you don’t like what he has to say.  If you had any sense, you’d realize that it’s time to stop shooting off your mouth about subjects you don’t understand and listen to what wiser men are saying.

Do you think repeatedly denying that the earth is flat would make it true?

No, but it would make me a good candidate to be a Ron Paul supporter!

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Nah, you seem to fit in more as a typical reader of this blog: All smart-assed sarcasm, no substance at all.

Let me know when you have a substantial criticism of Ron Paul instead of a cheesy one-liner.

Ah, Spirit! Fresh meat for the Ron Paul challenge?
Since this is a “subject you claim to understand”, please click on the link and in 25 words or less, give us any of Ron Paul’s actual accomplishments.
Because so many have tried and failed, we have lowered the bar to any accomplishments, legislative or otherwise, on which he has had at least the support of his own party.
Or do you realize that it’s time to stop shooting off your mouth about subjects you don’t understand and listen to what wiser men are saying?

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smart-assed sarcasm

Did someone call my name?

Do you think repeatedly denying that the earth is flat would make it true?

I’ve always maintained that the world is not flat, like a pancake. 

I say it’s up to you Ron Paul supporters to prove me wrong.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

I’ve always maintained that the world is not flat, like a pancake.

You’ve always been more of a Belgian waffle guy from what I can see!

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Waffle?  Maybe it’s not flat like a pizza.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Belgian…‘cause it’s a little fruity!

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Speaking of “a little fruity”, what happened to Spirit of 1906? Or do we just get the sophomoric name calling without a single attempt to demonstrate a single underlying fact of their case, other than “Ron Paul talks a good fight”?

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Why do they run away whenever I ask them to take the challenge?????

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Belgian…’cause it’s a little fruity!

Are you trying to win a Rory?

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

When Ron Paul doesn’t make it on the ballot with an “R” next to his name will all you Ron Paul supporters just stay home?  (That is of course if Ron doesn’t run as some other party’s candidate.)

When Ron Paul doesn’t make it on the ballot with an “R” next to his name will all you Ron Paul supporters just stay home?

Maybe not both of them.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

...on which he has had at least the support of his own party.

Well, therein lies the rub, doesn’t it? 

From your perspective, I suppose, it doesn’t matter that he’s been the only one with the balls to stand up in the House and repeatedly introduce a Constitutional Amendment that would repeal the individual income tax and protect individuals from estate and gift taxes.  To you, that’s irrelevant because the rest of the big-government bozos in the GOP won’t go along with it.

It doesn’t matter to you that he’s been the only one with the balls to stand up in the House and introduce legislation that would end birthright citizenship and end the anchor-baby phenomenon.  Apparently it doesn’t matter to you, because the open-borders sellouts in his own party won’t go along with it.

It doesn’t matter to you that he’s the only one who had the balls to issue legislation that would restrict the number of student visas given to residents of Saudi Arabia, other countries known to sponsor state-endorsed terrorism, and countries not cooperating with our anti-terror efforts.  It doesn’t matter to you, because the rest of his party would rather pay lip-service to national security by rattling their rusty sabers at Iraq and Iran than by taking practical steps that would put a stop to the way terrorists like the 9/11 hijackers enter our country.

Instead of criticizing Ron Paul because the rest of the GOP has forgotten what it means to be conservative, you ought to be praising him for constantly, persistently, and tirelessly chipping away at Leviathan, working day after day, year after year to reduce the size and scope of the federal government, not with grand, showy flashes of publicity and self-congratulation, but with the slow, steady persistence of a constant stream of water steadily eroding the stone-cold edifice of the federal monstrosity.

Sure, maybe he never starred in the Hunt for Red October.  Maybe he doesn’t wear suits quite as well-tailored or spend as much time in the tanning booth as the flipper from Massachusetts.  Maybe he isn’t cashing in on being in the right place at the wrong time and reminding us of it over and over and over.  Maybe he didn’t team up with Teddy Kennedy to throw the borders open or with Russ Feingold to place limits on Free Speech.

But he has quietly done the tedious work of governance that has earned him the title the “Taxpayer’s Best Friend” in Congress, year after year after year.  He has quietly and without grandstanding done the tiresome work that had Human Events ranking him first out of all members of Congress as a tax-cutter.

You, sir, may be impressed by showy flashes of publicity and self-congratulatory media circle-jerks, but I myself prefer a candidate with unwavering principle and tireless determination. 

Again, I’m looking for style over substance, something this blog sorely lacks.  Thanks for confirming that for me.

When Ron Paul doesn’t make it on the ballot with an “R” next to his name will all you Ron Paul supporters just stay home?

Several of the…Ron Paul supporters who have come by here have indicated exactly that! Making them de facto Hillary/Obama/Edwards/Kucinich supporters! Yeah! Patriotism in action! Show us your support of the Constitution by helping the Democrats take the White House!

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Spirit: Duct tape will keep your tinfoil hat from coming off when the mind rays get too powerful.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Ron Paul’s only purpose is to ensure Hillary wins. He knows he can not, ever, win a Presidential election, and so will ascend from Congress by Her Presidential Appointment. That is his only route beyond being a simple crank in Congress.

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Why do they run away whenever I ask them to take the challenge?????

No one ran away from your sophomoric “challenge”.  I just don’t operate in tiny little sarcastic quips as is de rigueur in these parts.  I prefer to offer substance.

Spirit: Duct tape will keep your tinfoil hat from coming off when the mind rays get too powerful.

In other words, you’re clearly ill-informed, I called you on it, and you have no cogent rebuttal.

Good use of “tin-foil hat”, though.  Gee, that one never gets old.

the only one with the balls to stand up

and flap his gums!
I notice YOU didn’t have the balls to take the challenge! Is that because you are as big of an empty suit as Paul???

self-congratulatory media circle-jerks

As opposed to the self-congratulatory Ron Paul supporter circle-jerks?
Put up or shut up sonny! It’s a simple question, thus one your mind should be able to handle…
TWENTY YEARS in the US CONGRESS what___exactly___did___he___DO___to___support___the___Constitution? Anything??? Anything at all????

I’m looking for style over substance

‘Cause YOU GOT NO SUBSTANCE! BIG surprise there!

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I prefer to offer substance.

Ha! Then offer some. Click on the link (Am I going TOO fast for you?) answer a SINGLE question…if you can, lack of substance boy!

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This,“Again, I’m looking for style over substance” says it all. Goodbye, Paulette.

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Ron Paul is the greatest thing since sliced bread!

(Although I can’t think of a single reason why!)

All us Ron Paul supporters is smart patriots!

Though we can’t offer a single cogent argument why. We are pretty good at name calling, though!)

Repeat arguments 1-2.

(Wowie, is we smart!)  /sarcasm

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In other words, you’re clearly ill-informed, I called you on it, and you have no cogent rebuttal.

I’ve already rebutted you, but you just don’t get it.  There is no evidence, only theorizing and inflating.  Y2K

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Again the stereotype.  “Everybody” knows that robots speak in a monotone.  I hate it when people tell me I speak well for a robot. 

Like in that movie Nightmare City 2035.  The cops programmed their police robots to speak in an awful voice.  I think the government did that just to spread the stereotype. 

And to make it worse, this article tried to use this stereotype to make a negative association.  This was essentially a “Ron Paul is a robot lover” remark, which is hateful to robots.  I hope people skip over the hateful parts when reading the article. 

Robots have feelings, too.  Well, some of us do.

I am most impressed by your ability to employ bold-faced type and the caps lock key for the purpose of obfuscation and fooling the dim-witted into thinking you are saying something.

I have answered your question, though it is a specious one.  Again, the legislation he has pushed through the Congress (and there has been some, including legislation that prevented the acquisition of private property through eminent domain) is not nearly as significant as the legislation against which he has taken a stand or the spending and taxation authorizations he has worked tirelessly to remove from other pieces of legislation.

Here we see again that it seems you would be more impressed by the leader of the lemmings running off the cliff than by the one lemming who has the guts to stand up on a rock and say, “Don’t go that way!”

In any event, your petulant little “challenge” notwithstanding, Congressman Paul didn’t get listed by the Congressional Quarterly as one of the “50 most effective members of Congress” by doing nothing.

the legislation he has pushed through the Congress (and there has been some

He said, whistling through the graveyard! I don’t personally know of any, but there must be something! I mean, after all he was there twenty friggin’ years!

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I’ve already rebutted you, but you just don’t get it.  There is no evidence, only theorizing and inflating.  Y2K

You must be joking.  Where’s the rebuttal?  Quips about tin-foil hats don’t cut it. 

I’m waiting for you to show me some evidence that the ITFNA has not issued reports calling for a closer integration of North America, that the SPP inspired by those reports is not a reality, and that members of the CFR have not advocated for further union of North America, to include a monetary union.

Congressman Paul didn’t get listed by the Congressional Quarterly as one of the “50 most effective members of Congress” by doing nothing

Then, one of his ardent supporters ought to be able to tell us AT LEAST ONE OF THEM! Don’t you think? Obviously NOT!

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He said, whistling through the graveyard! I don’t personally know of any, but there must be something! I mean, after all he was there twenty friggin’ years!

I cited a specific example.  I also demonstrated how your entire line of reasoning is absolutely specious and does not in any way reflect on his accomplishments in Congress, where often what one refuses to do is every bit as important as what one does.

You came back more cheesy, childish one-liners.  Par for the course…

listed by the Congressional Quarterly as one of the “50 most effective members of Congress”

Listed by whom? Ron Paul? In a speech made on the floor, perhaps?

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Listed by whom? Ron Paul? In a speech made on the floor, perhaps?

Wow, either your reading comprehension is terrible or you’re really grasping at straws.  I told you, the listing was compiled by Congressional Quarterly. 

Do you know what that is?  http://public.cq.com/

Here’s a press release that discusses the listing.  It also puts to rest your silly little “challenge”:
http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr102999.htm

Spit of 1906: Do you know why Ron Paul is going to lose the nomination (and the election, should he choose to run third party)?
Because he and his supporters cannot even mount an adequate response to people who are friendly to his ideas! How much less could they mount a defense against those who ideologically oppose them?

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he introduced legislation to take away regulatory authority for the Know Your Customer regulation

Wow! He actually DID something in the ‘90s that made the Congressional Quarterly! Wow!  I guess he SHOULD be President! /sarcasm

Okay, that’s one!(Pretty lame, but one!)
That’s IT???? That’s why you want him to be President??? How sad, little man! How sad!

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he introduced legislation to take away regulatory authority for the Know Your Customer regulation

and thus saved the Constitution! Whew! Close one, there!

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List all these accomplishments. This,“listed by the Congressional Quarterly as one of the “50 most effective members of Congress”, should make it very easy.

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(scary announcer voice):

In a world…

...where Know Your Customer regulations

...threaten the foundations of democracy

One Man…

...must stand in the breach

...and take away regulatory authority!

That man…

...is the Doctor!

Ron Paul

(Snort!)

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Know Your Customer

How did I miss that threat to the Republic?
I remember

Mr. Gorbachev: Tear down this wall!

I don’t remember

Mr. Speaker: deregulate Know Your Customer!

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Spit of 1906:

Gee, that was clever.  Feel free to mock my choice of username all you want.  It’s no skin off my back.

I reckon I ought to tell you why I chose it, though.  I chose that username because I believe in the same spirit that animated my 8g-grandfather when he joined up with the Culpeper Minutemen as a fife-player at the age of ten or my 9g-grandfather who set off with his two brothers to fight for our Independence at a place called King’s Mountain.  I believe in the same Spirit that animated my cousin (1st cousin, 8x removed) Andy when he led his band of backwoodsmen to face the Packenham’s redcoats near New Orleans.

I’m a businessman, a conservative, a patriot, and a veteran of the US Army Infantry.  I’m not a crank, a conspiracy theorist, or a tin-foil hatter.  I may not agree with you on all the issues, and I may support a different presidential candidate than you do, but that doesn’t mean I deserve this abuse.

If you want to continue along those lines, though, it’s ok.  I can take it.

Do you know why Ron Paul is going to lose the nomination (and the election, should he choose to run third party)?

He’s already said he’s not going to run as a third party candidate, and the nomination is certainly up for grabs at this point.  May I ask who you’re backing and who you think will win?

Because he and his supporters cannot even mount an adequate response to people who are friendly to his ideas! How much less could they mount a defense against those who ideologically oppose them?

Do you think you’ve shown yourself to be really friendly to his ideas?  Do you think you’ve shown yourself to be a person of reason and thoughtful argument?

All I’ve seen so far is sarcasm and ad hominem attacks.  It seems like you’re so obsessed with calling Congressman Paul and those of us who support him nasty names, most likely because you disagree with his ideas on foreign policy, that you are not even willing to acknowledge that he has been a consistent bulwark of fiscal conservatism in the Congress for ten terms.

That’s not reason. That’s not lively debate over important issues. That’s just pettiness and a sad symptom of the degeneration of our political climate.

Hell, I’d be upset if in America people didn’t question and argue against his ideas, but this name-calling and low-brow nonsense just cheapens political discourse and weakens the body politic.

Can’t we move beyond soundbites and one-liners and have cogent discussions of vital issues?

BTW, for those of you keeping score:

Ron Paul Supporters - One (1) 18 year old press release to tell us what Ron Paul did in twenty years as a Congressman!

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Can’t we move beyond soundbites and one-liners and have cogent discussions of vital issues?

I’d love to! For over two months I’ve been trying to get Ron Paul’s supporters to tell me a single thing he’s actually done to deserve his support.
At least you’ve given me one!

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and thus saved the Constitution! Whew! Close one, there!

That was but one of the accomplishments listed in that press release, which only deals with one year of Congressional activity.  Others listed in the same release include amendments to end the pursuit of a National ID card and the banning of one aspect of federal bureaucratic involvement in the educational process, federal teacher tests.  Both of those were made into law that year.

Again, his accomplishments are not showy publicity stunts.  They’re the grunt work of conservative legislating.

All I’ve seen so far is sarcasm and ad hominem attacks

We give what we get!  You’ve come here telling us we “have no balls”, “flat earthers”... You called us uneducated and uninformed (What utter arrogance!)And now you have the chutzpah to call us on our ad hominem attacks?

If you’d been around here a while, you’d see that about all we’ve gotten from the Ronettes is scornful abuse that we are not as enlightened as they and baseless charges that anyone who opposes them are “Neocons”.
It gets a little old!
And still, no one takes the challenge! You may belittle it, but aside from one lame bit of wonkery you cite, I see no stirring leadership, no leadership at all from “the Doctor”!

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which only deals with one year of Congressional activity.

Fine! What did he do the OTHER 19 years?

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They’re the grunt work of conservative legislating.

Which may prove to make him a good grunt! In case you haven’t noticed, he isn’t running for Good Grunt in Chief!

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I never said you “have no balls”. 

I did liken Rob’s denial of the fact that many think tanks and policy makers are agitating for a political and monetary union of North America to insisting that the earth is flat.  I’ll give you that, though in my defense I will say that I was responding in accordance with the overall tone set by this blog post.

And of course, I do apologize for those over-zealous Paul supporters who belittle those who have a different take on the issues as they do, and for those who abuse the term “neocon”, though it is clear that neoconservatism as a political philosophy has become somewhat pervasive and become inflated in the public discourse with what it means the be “conservative”.

I certainly wish they wouldn’t do that, but they are an ardent bunch, many of them young and not yet possessed of the art of subtlety.

As for the last part, again I maintain that Congressman Paul’s long record of doing the grunt work of conservative legislating is not “wonkery”; it is as vitally important, if not more so, than the types of media-hyped publicity stunts that are all too often confused with “stirring acts of leadership”.

I’m impressed by his consistency and his devotion to principle.  It doesn’t matter to me that his accomplishments aren’t sensationalized on the evening news.

That was but one of the accomplishments listed in that press release, which only deals with one year of Congressional activity.

BTW, why can you only give me an 18 year old press release when I ask you for what Ron Paul has done in the last twenty years??? (Other than flap his gums?)

I reiterate:

All hat and No cattle!

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It doesn’t matter to me that his accomplishments aren’t sensationalized on the evening news.

Or memorable to his followers…

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Fine! What did he do the OTHER 19 years?

Many things that don’t necessarily make the news, though they are important to the preservation of American sovereignty.

In 2002, for example, he authored successful legislation that prevents American taxpayer dollars from funding the ICC, the supranational criminal court which at times has proposed trying American soldiers as war criminals.

In 1999, he authored successful legislation that prevents the courts from unconstitutionally seizing the assets of person who have simply been accused of a crime.

There are many examples like this of small, but important steps that defend our constitutional rights and our national sovereignty.

Sure, they aren’t glamorous, and they don’t make the news, but they are no less important for it.

While we’re on the subject, let me ask you what qualifies the other candidates to be president, particularly the candidate(s) you’re backing?  You never did specify who that is…

Many things that don’t necessarily make the news, though they are important to the preservation of American sovereignty.

Fine! Then he should stay where he is and make sure all those little things important to the preservation of American sovereignty get done.
He has shown no leadership. His personal charisma is wanting. And when confronted with crackpot 9/11 truthers, he dissembles and caves rather than tellling potential supporters that they’re a bunch of loons!
Ron Paul for Congress. Somebody who can win for President!

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I’m waiting for you to show me some evidence that the ITFNA has not issued reports calling for a closer integration of North America, that the
SPP inspired by those reports is not a reality, and that members of the CFR have not advocated for further union of North America, to include a monetary union.

Reports are not evidence.  There is no NAU, except in your mind.  It doesn’t exist.  Hint: that’s a rebuttal on fact.  The burden of proof is on the one who asserts the existence of something, and you have no evidence. Any nut can write a “report”; that doesn’t make anything true.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Fine! Then he should stay where he is and make sure all those little things important to the preservation of American sovereignty get done.

Ah, but here’s the thing:  The interests of American sovereignty and the constitutional rights of American citizens be better served by having a chief executive who will fight for them in the White House—and we know he will because he has a consistent, lifelong record of doing so—than by having him continue to struggle against obscurity in a Congress that for all intents and purposes has given up on the notion of defending American sovereignty and our constitutional rights.

Even better, Ron Paul’s campaign for the presidency is inspiring an entirely new generation of Americans who are passionately devoting themselves to the age-old Republican principles of smaller government, personal responsibility, the necessity of the Free Market, and the civil liberties of American citizens.  He is changing the face of a generation, and these young people will be moving into leadership positions and carrying with them these eternal conservative, Republican ideals.

Already there are “Ron Paul Republicans” running for Congress.  Others will take up his torch there. 

He has shown no leadership. His personal charisma is wanting.

This is patently disproved by the fact that he has so clearly inspired so many.  We need only look at the fact that his fundraising in Q3 went up by 115%, defying all odds and utterly shocking the media and the establishment, while the so-called frontrunners actually dropped in their fundraising levels. 

These are not the accomplishments of a man with no charisma and no leadership.

And when confronted with crackpot 9/11 truthers, he dissembles and caves rather than tellling potential supporters that they’re a bunch of loons!

He has repeatedly and publicly stated that he does not share their belief in a 9/11 conspiracy.  They have as much right to Free Speech as anyone else, even if they’re wrong.  You seem to want him to insult them for doing so, but in case you haven’t noticed, he doesn’t really engage in insults.  At that recent debate in Baltimore, for example, he was the only candidate on stage who didn’t take a cheap shot at the “frontrunners” who refused to attend.

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I’ve asked you several times now:  Who do you think that someone is?  Why do you think his chances of winning are better than Congressman Pauls?  What qualifies him to be president?

The interests of American sovereignty and the constitutional rights of American citizens be better served by having a chief executive who will fight for them in the White House—

How about American security? Paul has said he would immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq. Paul is a little to the left of Hillary Clinton on this one!
He implies that he is cast from the same mold as Ronald Reagan. Can you imagine Ron Paul telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall? Or telling him he’ll have American troops out of Germany by sundown?

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Reports are not evidence.  There is no NAU, except in your mind.  It doesn’t exist.  Hint: that’s a rebuttal on fact.  The burden of proof is on the one who asserts the existence of something, and you have no evidence. Any nut can write a “report”; that doesn’t make anything true.

I never said that there is an NAU at the present, and neither has Congressman Paul. 

What is clear is that organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, a body whose members include many sitting members of Congress as well as former presidents and administration officials, have proposed just such a union.

In some part, these proposals have been acted upon.  We are currently part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, which is an outgrowth of these proposals.  Under the SPP, we are seeing a move toward just such a union.  I provided one example of an SPP provision earlier, the allowance of Mexican cargo trucks to freely travel onto American soil.

Just a few weeks ago, I was speaking with Greg Scarborough of the FBI’s center in Clarksburg, WV.  He is in charge of a unit which is responsible for electronically tracking cargo theft and the movement of potential terrorists across our southern border.  I asked him if this SPP provision, enacted by President Bush, would, in his professional opinion, increase incidents of cargo theft and the ease with which terrorists could enter our borders.  He answered yes to both counts. 

The SPP is not a fantasy, a conspiracy theory, or the figment of anyone’s imagination.  It is real and it is having real effects on our national security and our national sovereignty.

And the same people who pushed for it are pushing for further union, including monetary union, along the lines of the European Union.  So, no, there is no entity called the “North American Union”, but there is a precursor called the SPP, and there are influential and powerful people agitating for further union.

That’s a fact.

He has repeatedly and publicly stated that he does not share their belief in a 9/11 conspiracy.  They have as much right to Free Speech as anyone else, even if they’re wrong.  You seem to want him to insult them for doing so, but in case you haven’t noticed, he doesn’t really engage in insults.

Those are the choices? Agree with them or insult them? There’s leadership for you!

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“Ron Paul for Congress. Somebody who can win for President!” Thanks for putting it so succinctly. Point, set, match.

SevenSix, I been following the antics of Dr Paul’s Excellent Adventure since the ‘70s, he does not, and has never, impress me.

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How about American security? Paul has said he would immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq. Paul is a little to the left of Hillary Clinton on this one!

Congressman Paul is very strong on national security.  Earlier, I cited one example of legislation he introduced as an example.  The Saudis who hijacked our airliners and attacked us with them on 9/11 entered our country on student visas.  Congressman Paul introduced legislation that would help prevent things like this from occurring, but Congress refuses to act on it.

Again, the current administration is leaving our borders wide open, and even agents of the FBI are acknowledging that some of the actions of our administration make it easier for terrorists to enter the country.  Congressman Paul introduces legislation to prevent this, but Congress refuses to go along with it, and guys like Rob here insist that he’s a crank for it.

He authorized the use of force in Afghanistan to go after the people who attacked us on 9/11, but we stopped even looking for Osama and went into Iraq instead.  And now we’re bogged down there, borrowing money from China and Saudi Arabia to finance our operations there, overextending our Armed Forces and putting them all in one place for every jihadi with an axe to grind to come and take a shot.

Not only that, but our continued presence there provides Islamic terrorists with their best propaganda weapon and recruiting tool yet!

All while the borders are wide open…  How is that improving our national security?

He implies that he is cast from the same mold as Ronald Reagan. Can you imagine Ron Paul telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall? Or telling him he’ll have American troops out of Germany by sundown?

I recall Reagan bringing our troops home from Lebanon after we were attacked there, saying that we should not put our troops in harm’s way in the Middle East because we cannot understand the “irrationality” of Middle Eastern politics.

Nice spin! Nice dance…no answers to my questions. All hat and no cattle! Like someone else in the news, whose name escapes me at the moment!

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[quoteThose are the choices? Agree with them or insult them? There’s leadership for you!]

That’s what you seemed to be saying.  You seemed to be implying that because he hasn’t called the kooks and cranks, he must be agreeing with them.

I pointed out to you that he has repeatedly stated that he disagrees with them.

Sounds like you’re the crank Rob!

Ron Paul was censored by the so called defenders of the dream!

I recall Reagan bringing our troops home from Lebanon after we were attacked there, saying that we should not put our troops in harm’s way in the Middle East because we cannot understand the “irrationality” of Middle Eastern politics.

Which he could not have known at the time, but coupled with Billy Jeff’s untimely retreat in Somalia emboldened our enemies! Paul wants to duplicate Reagan’s mistakes but not his successes! He has not learned the lesson of history.

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Nice spin! Nice dance…no answers to my questions. All hat and no cattle! Like someone else in the news, whose name escapes me at the moment!

You didn’t ask any questions.  You insinuated that he’s week on national security, and then proceeded with some meaningless cheap shot about being “to the left of Hillary Clinton”.

I provided many examples which demonstrate that he is in many respects stronger on national security than our current leadership.

You then invoked the name of Ronald Reagan, and provided to you a case in which Ronald Reagan’s policies on the Middle East line up with Dr. Paul’s.

You came back with another one-liner.

Speaking of not answering questions, I’ve asked you at least three times now, but you have for some reason avoided answering:  Who do you support for president, what qualifies that individual, and why do you think that individual has a better chance of winning than Congressman Paul?

I’m off for the night, so I’ll give you a while to think about it.  I look forward to reading your response tomorrow. 

Goodnight.

All hat and no cattle! Like someone else in the news, whose name escapes me at the moment!

I think the name you’re looking for is Fred Thompson. 

Goodnight.

I pointed out to you that he has repeatedly stated that he disagrees with them.

Yeah! And I saw him on video agreeing with them that we needed to investigate the government because of it, he sure sounded like he was agreeing with them!
But, then, who am I to believe? You or my own lying eyes?

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I’ve asked you at least three times now, but you have for some reason avoided answering

If your support of Ron Paul is contingent on who I support, you’re in bigger trouble than I thought!

I find the Ronettes eager to pull out their talking points on any number of candidates, but cannot seem to muster a credible defense of their own choice. Their only hope seems to be to tear down every other candidate to the minuscule stature of Ron Paul!

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Dear Hitting the Spirits since ‘76: How would you like your crow prepared in ‘08? When Ron Paul fades back to obscurity…

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In the end, Ron Paul believes that we can simply sit down and talk with our Islamic enemies.

That alone makes him a dangerous nut case not worthy of serious consideration. For many of us, everything else comes after this concern.

Economic matters are important, but the threat of nuclear Mullahs even moreso.

As for the North American Union, the Securities and Prosperity Partnership is no joke. This is how the EU got started. Government naturally consolidates and grows in power. America is no different. It starts with “Regulatory Cooperation” and then moves onto an erasure of the borders “for trade” of course. The next step is one government body to enforce these measures. The SPP calls it “Joint Stewardship”. Ignore this and the nature of government to consolidate and grow at your own peril.

In the end, Ron Paul believes that we can simply sit down and talk with our Islamic enemies.

Wouldn’t an isolationist believe that we can simply ignore the enemy? 

Ron Paul’s foreign policy is just as naive as our national foreign policy has been short-sighted.

What we have done since the end of WWII in the Middle East has not worked.  What Ron Paul believes wouldn’t work any better. 

Once we realize we can’t reason with these suicidal people and that we can’t wipe them out either, then maybe some rational thought will begin.

Ummm NAU is REAL! Check my facts!

H.CON.RES.40
Title: Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada.
Sponsor: Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] (introduced 1/22/2007)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HC00040:@@@L&summ2=m&

Freep, the only “rational thought” you leave open is surrender. No thanks. Teaching the world the true meaning of “Jihad” is a much better alternative. America always does everything big and better.

Time to unleash some Jihad on their ass.

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Rob! read my first post.  How do I know about the NAU?  There are numerous folks in the MSM who talk about it.  Ron Paul stands against the secret meeting of business leaders who make rules about trade w/ the president w/out congressional oversight.  Do you deny this as an issue?  Please take a moment and watch the video I posted on my previous post.  Again, I’m not a supporter of Lou Dobbs—but the relevant documents are mentioned.

Three questions: 

1)  Being on the International Relations Committee, don’t you think Dr. Paul knows what’s happening regarding the North American Union?

2)  Being on the Joint Economic Committee, don’t you think Dr. Paul knows what’s happening to our dollar?

3)  Does anyone QUESTION why the sponsors would want him off the stage prematurely???

Does anyone QUESTION why the sponsors would want him off the stage prematurely???

Sounds like an apologist for “taser boy”!

Don’t tase me, bro!

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Then this entry in the Library of Congress is entirely fiction?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:1:./temp/~c110aQKhr0::

You didn’t even really check up, did you? This took me 2 minutes to find.

I find the Ronettes eager to pull out their talking points on any number of candidates, but cannot seem to muster a credible defense of their own choice. Their only hope seems to be to tear down every other candidate to the minuscule stature of Ron Paul!

...says the guy who just spent hours trying to tear down Ron Paul, but won’t even answer a simple question about what candidate he himself supports.

This is pure sophistry, or as you would say in your simple-minded way, “all hat and no cattle”.

I’ve got better things to do with my time than argue with some clueless rube who doesn’t even have the guts to say which candidate he supports.

Bye.  Enjoy your little echo chamber here, and have fun cooking up a couple more cheap one-liners and insults after I’m gone.  I’m sure you’ll impress a couple of gullible dweebs.

Spitless in ‘76: Thanks for not stepping up to the challenge! Don’t let the door hit your clueless fanny on the way out!

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I’ve been waiting for over two months for a Ron Paul support to step up to the plate and tell me what exactly Dr. Paul has done in his tenure in Congress.
I get a two decade old press release that tells us Dr. Paul saved us from the “regulatory authority for the Know Your Customer regulation”!

Consider me underwhelmed!

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Jeremiah, all that links to is a blank page, is that your commentary on the good “Doctor”?

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The Spirit of ‘76 is that noble spirit which animated our forefathers as they shook off the shackles of tyranny and strode like giants across the land with the words “Liberty or Death!” emblazoned upon their glorious banners.

Strode like giants?? Please visit Spitless in ‘76 for more breathless hyperbole and bad prose!

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Please visit Spitless in ‘76 for more breathless hyperbole and bad prose!

Oh, and the joy of listening to the site’s “Founder” constantly refer to himself in the third person.

(BTW, If Proof starts referring to “Proof” in the third person constantly, he hopes that someone will shoot him in his head!)

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I suggest to all Ron Paul supporters to not “debate” on this blog.  You see.. there really is no debate because these people have closed their minds off and resort to attacking Ron Paul.  Spend your energy elsewhere.

And to the blog writer and all his supporters, I only have one question for you:  Do you know how our monetary system works in relation to the Federal Reserve? 

If you don’t, then it’s time to get educated.  It’s not a conspiracy theory.  It’s facts that you can obtain anywhere which will show what a corrupt system we have.

I just got sent a link to this article from at best I’d call a disturbed coworker. So John please don’t send me anymore links about how the Paulettes are going down, and how and why we’re going to win in Iraq. I think we already have agreed to disagree with our stances on politics and the war. I’ve already attempted to explain to you that while I detest the war because I see no reason for why we went in and no reason for us to still be there, I thought I left it at that, but now you are still sending me emails. I don’t care about code pink, or other antiwar organizations you have slammed via your emails and called Commie’s. I don’t think you understand at all my position on this as I have no desire to bicker with idiots like you via email. Please stick to your Nascar, Wrastlin, and your enjoyment of looking at dead Muslims. Oh and please do not send me anymore photos of what you call dead terrorists, it’s rude and disgusting, furthermore of the photos of dead Iraqi’s you’ve sent me only one was armed. I’m putting this reply in both the comments section of the article you linked and I’m forwarding it to your boss. You’ve repeatedly asked me how I’d defeat the “War on Terrorism” which I find to just be idiotic as you can’t have a war on tactics, just like you can’t have a “War on Drugs” or a “War on Poverty”. I’ve found it completely impossible to have an intellectual conversation with people like you so all I can ask of you is to stay in your little holes like the place you linked. I’ve also tried to explain to you that I’m a conservative Christian who happens to believe in only justified wars because last I checked Jesus preached peace and understanding and I wish that’s what most of us did, so this is the last time I’m going to tell you I’m not a Liberal. You asked me if I like Ron Paul, honestly I have no clue who he is, but after this email and “Spirit of 76’s” posts which seem to provide some levity in the debate I’ll be looking into him.

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To the original commentor:  You are uniformed, seriously.

To Spirit:  Thanks.

I got through about 20 posts and had to stop.  This blog is useless.

Regarding the NAU.  If one is unable to complete the required research, I suggest calling any Canadian telephone number and inquire.  The Canadians are a much more politicaly informed populace.

I suggest to all Ron Paul supporters not to “debate” on this blog.

That’s right! You have to put debate in scare quotes,  because a real debate might involve bringing facts to the table…something the Ronettes have been a little light on in the past!
However, if you want to debate...bring your “A” game! Not this sophomoric mishmash you’ve brought so far!
Or you guys could just go back to your Mom’s basement and “found” a suppository for your political writings!

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You are uniformed, seriously.

Uniformed? Seriously? Rob…when do we get our uniforms???
I thought we all had to blog in our pjs!

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95% of the Neo-cons on this blog don’t have a clue. Stick a fork in it, gag yourselves, it’s over. Which might not be a bad idea considering the jackasses I’m addressing. You just don’t get it, becuase you most likely skipped math class in grade school.

We’re already nearly $200k in the hole for every man woman and child in this entire country. We have to borrow money from countries like China to finance our military operations and cut our social security checks. You leave our borders open, you made the economy suck so bad that companies had to ship all our manufacturing jobs overseas. Nice, way to go. Your “Go Team Go!” attitide got us sold off, bit by bit, to hostile countries. You stupid hacks. You bankrupted the economy of the greatest, most free, techonologically advanced super-power the world has ever seen throughout the entire existence of the human race. You should be proud, that is no easy feat. “Oh but the dow closed at 14k!” Oh!, well then everything is fine! The canadian dollar isn’t worth more than the USD, and oil baring nations arn’t trying to move into the Euro.

And now what are you going to do? Invade Iran? Boy, there’s a great Idea! Especially since the Chinese import over 60% of their oil from Iran. You really think they’ll sit by and watch that happen? Genious!, bomb a country that has a tremendous impact on the economy of China. Who, becuase of your insanely stupid policies of late, can crash our dollar in the blink of an eye. How well do you think the war will go once the dollar goes the way of the Peso?

If Ron Paul doesn’t get the Nod, I’ll vote for him anyway. I’ll pull as many votes away from the GOP as I can, you idiots deserve it. You destroyed the economy, wiped your asses with the bill of rights, fought undeclared wars, and not only did you leave the border wide open, you tried to grant amnesty to 12 million criminals.

You know that any other GOP canidate doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell against Hillary, and if Ron Paul doesn’t get the nod, you will have eight years of Clinton, eight years of Obama, and the american public will never allow your stupid asses to gain a majority in congress again.

Live in your little bubble of self denial. Complete with your Foxnews, and assorted AM radio programs. Hell I’d probably beleive everything I was told if I was bombarded with it 24 hours a day. You’ll have a nice reality check waiting for you in 2008.

Congrats, you fucked up, and you’ll all pay the price for it now.