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Sunday, January 29, 2006

Defending Google

Since Google's decision to bow to Chinese censorship demands a lot of people, including myself, have taken to criticizing the company for abandoning their stated "we don't censor" principles.  A few others, exemplified by Jon Henke of Q and O in this post, have defended Google against this criticism.

Here is the crux of Jon's argument:
As far as I can tell, the Chinese people are almost certainly better off with a commie-modified Google than without it. Perfect does not have to be the enemy of good.

Read the whole thing.

This line of reasoning circles around an idea of "creeping liberties."  As an oppressed society is exposed to certain liberties it becomes harder for the regime in charge to continue the oppression.  Which is something I agree with.  I have often said that one of the best ways to spread democracy is to show the oppressed what they are missing out on.  Show them the conveniences free people enjoy, like the ability to watch any movie they want whenver they want.  Or check out any book from the library they'd like.  Eventually, the oppressed will begin to demand these freedoms for themselves.

The problem with the Google situation, however, is that I don't think it fulfills this idea of "creeping liberties."  Presumably the Chinese population was able to search the internet prior to the coming of Google and could then only find state-approved websites and images.  What new liberty has Google added?  The Chinese people are still only finding state-approved websites and images even with the availability of Google.  The only thing that has happened here is Google has gained access to a massive new market, but done so at the expense of one of the company's core principles.  Heck, one of democracy's core principles.

I don't find that to be a defensible position at all.

I should add that I am not against American businesses doing business with China in general.  That being said, simply doing business with the Chinese marketplace is one thing.  Getting in bed with that Communist government's censorship policies is quite another.

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Google has shown that it intends to cooperate with oppressive governments controlled by unelected elites, and that it will be uncooperative with democratic governments controlled by the people, for the people.

Google intends to be your Big Brother(tm).

Marty on January 29, 2006 at 09:02 am
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What’s the big deal. There are many search engines equal to or better than Google. As a company they can do whatever they choose. If you don’t agree with your practices you can use your invisible hand over at another search engine. I don’t plan on living in China anytime soon, and I’m sure the Chinese could care a lot less of this Google Censorship fiasco, than all of the Politcal American bloogers do. With that said, I dont agree with the practice, but I don’t own stock in Google so I could really care less.

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Dan on January 29, 2006 at 10:01 am
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I’m sure the Chinese could care a lot less of this Google Censorship fiasco

I’m sure the Chinese would like to get their hands on a searh engine that allows them to find un-censored search results rather than state-sponsored search results.

Far too many Americans take their personal liberties for granted.


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on January 29, 2006 at 10:01 am
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Rob,… I like the way you think! Well put.

Zsa Zsa on January 29, 2006 at 10:02 am
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Your right, but my point was that I’m sure for the majority of the Chinese they will never have even heard of this story, because they have bigger things to worry about. I’m sure there are a lot worse forms of oppression in their daily lives. If you dont like it, dump the stock.

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Dan on January 29, 2006 at 10:02 am
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I’m sure for the majority of the Chinese they will never have even heard of this story

It may well be that the majority of Chinese have never heard of this story because their government closely censors the news they get.  Google is now participating in that, and I am going to criticize them for it regardless of whether or not I own stock in the company.


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Rob on January 29, 2006 at 11:02 am
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You should critize them and write about them.  It’s your right as an American.  But, it’s also googles right to do business the way they way.  Like Dan said, use your invisible hand and move to another search engine.  It’s the same thing I say to the whole Wal-Mart thing.  If wal-mart wants to run it’s business like a sweatshop, then I think it’s the peoples responsibility to not shop there.  A company can’t function without customers. 

I don’t personally see anything wrong with Google censoring in China.  A company should be allowed to do what they want.  (Within reason, the founders of Google can’t run around chopping peoples heads off or anything).  They’re just adjusting their business for a new market.  The one downside to this is the risk they run in their own country!  People like you who view this as a bad move might move against Google.  They might use Yahoo again to search the internet.

Find and promote a new-unheard of search engine.  Competition is what keeps comanies in line. 

All-in-all, I respect your stance, but I don’t disagree with what google did.  Does that make sense?

Jason on January 29, 2006 at 12:02 pm
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[...] It seems to me, though, that Google’s interests would have best been served by showing up and talking with the Human Rights Caucus.  The company has claimed that they are concerned with human rights in China, but that they see pushing Google into China is better than the Chinese not having Google at all.  That’s not a position I agree with, but at least it’s defensible. [...]

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