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[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Beamer is clearly in fair territory on this one. Sheehan as the antithesis, one can see that people related in this emotionaly-close manner to the war on terror are free to weigh in on either side.
Some problems I would point out:
1)The title should refer to a ‘political ad’ and not a ‘political add’ unless Mr. Beamer has been hanging out at political addresses.
2)Mr. Beamer was probably paid for this performance. Knowledge of whether or not he sought out a channel to do the ad or they sought him would and/or wrote the script for him would affect the ads impact on me.
3)There is a strange ambiguity with the ‘war on terror’ because for some it is a very real, very important fight while for others it is a buzzword, and of course a fight and a buzzword for many. It is talking point supreme and is often accompanied by nuances that insinuate liberals want to see everyone in the country riding on buses with suicide bombers. Implying things like that is foolish to everyone who hears them and thinks for themself. The implication that liberals prefer americans to be in harms way is required for the ad we have just seen to exert political force.
4)In addition, 9/11 and the war in iraq are not related. The text in the ad implies this, an old and haggard suggestion that the administration now only uses in a metaphorical manner. See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LwMTjeu5f4
We all remember Cheney harping on the meeting between the qeada guy and the iraqi in Prague… Bush is lying right there on camera. If one follows Bush’s reasons for invading Iraq (i.e. breeding grounds for terror & premptive moves against a threat) then we have many, many, many, many other places to invade. Truthfully, Saddam kept Iran the heck out of the middle east. Now we see heavy heavy Iranian presences in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and northern Africa. Saddam was a better ‘peace keeper’ than us. No joke, he may have killed however many thousand ‘insurgents’, but we’ve killed more… all ‘insurgents’. We did so much damage to the infrastruture in that country they are still years from any form of viable democracy - ‘breeding grounds’. So the logic in this ad is flawed in many ways. ‘War on Terror’ in Iraq eh???
‘Please dont kill my son’ doesn’t sound quite as strange.

1)The title should refer to a ‘political ad’ and not a ‘political add’ unless Mr. Beamer has been hanging out at political addresses.

Fixed.

4)In addition, 9/11 and the war in iraq are not related.

Sure they are. 9/11 was an act of terrorism. We then declared war against such terrorism. Iraq fits that bill.

So the logic in this ad is flawed in many ways.

Not really. It is your logic that is flawed here. You deny the reality of Iraq and Saddam being sponsors of terrorism. Everything that proceeds from your erroneous denial of that reality is flawed.

I’m glad that the Republican Party has allowed a family member of a person that died on 9/11 to be in a political ad.  I pray that will get Ann Coulter off the airwaves and shut her up for 5 minutes.

Mr. Beamer has every right to do this ad.  He is truthful and honest about what he feels.  I think it’s a great ad.

You see?  The lefties want to stifle dissent, not encourage it.  Ann Coulter is the most effective dissenter from leftie orthodoxy, and of course they want to shut her up.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

She can speak anytime she wants, but she irritates the hell out of me.  Probably like Keith Olbermann irritates the hell out of you.

She can speak anytime she wants, but she irritates the hell out of me.  Probably like Keith Olbermann irritates the hell out of you.

Keith Olberman doesn’t irritate me, because I know he’s a liar.  Ann Coulter irritates the lefties, because they know she is telling the truth.  Thanks for admitting that, btw.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

bak72, I am glad to see your blog title! Democrats should be angry, your party has taken a huge crap on you and you should be pissed as hell.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

And sparkle baby is oh so right, this is an excellent ad. sparkle baby, I especially love your resounding defense of the war against terrorism. And your gushing love for W and his Admin is wonderful. Glad to see a leftard finally get it.

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Not really. It is your logic that is flawed here. You deny the reality of Iraq and Saddam being sponsors of terrorism. Everything that proceeds from your erroneous denial of that reality is flawed.

Well, you fucking tarts… lets have one example of Saddam or Iraq under Saddam ‘sponsoring terrorism’. GIVE ME ONE. You can’t do it. Talk all the shit you want. Libya & Pakistan on the other hand (our buddies)… love to sponsor terror and are both have military authoritarians. Musharef isn’t quite as mush of our patsie as people lead all you jackasses to believe.
In fact, we (our spooks) found the Bathe party in Cairo in the 60s and put them in power, providing them with a list of people we (our spooks) wanted to see killed. We supported Saddams ascension in the 70s and in the early eighties RUMSFELD traveled there as a civilian to give him WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Like I said, some things begin to appear very very very very very (I could go on but you get the point) foolish when one begins to think instead of having horse shit piled down their throat all day.
GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE OF TERRORISM SPONSORED BY SADDAM OR IRAQ THAT ISN’T A LIE CHENEY TOLD. GIVE ME ONE. I’m not thinking of the Prague meeting here because that was a lie.

I’m glad that the Republican Party has allowed a family member of a person that died on 9/11 to be in a political ad.

This ad wasn’t by the GOP, it was by Progress for America...an independent advocacy group.

And I don’t think anyone let him be on the commercial.  He chose to be in it, because it is what he believes.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I’ll be bet Casey Sheehan would appear in that commercial too.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I hate to speak for other people, but from what I know of Casey’s life and how he lived it I’m guessing he would too.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Well alright. I knew no one was going to point me towards an example of Saddam sponsoring terrorism. Lets just clear the air then and not refer back to that as a raison d’etre in Iraq.
THERE’s MORE…
J. Baker III is now outlining a withdrawal plan… he is essentially in support of spliting the country into three states with one administrative center. That ‘cutting and running’ must really peev some of you. But Baker knows that more turmoil over there means higher gas prices everywhere. He knows Iran and Venezuela benefit significantly from such turmoil. Essentially he’s admitting that not only did we botch the job of putting Saddam into power, we botched the job of removing him, botched the job of turning Iraq into a democratic state (excluding the Sunnis from the Constitution entirely - which bodes well for IRAN (who don’t like Sunnis)), botched the job of containing Iran (a job Saddam did much better), botched the job of protecting Israel from continuing threat (Iran is on their doorstep, rich with oil, and foaming at the mouth), botched the job of reducing terrorism, botched the job of reducing gas prices… now he proposes we botch the job of ‘staying the course’… That must heat y’all up a bit. This ad is clearly anti-Baker isnt it?

sparkle baby, when you get serious about anything we will waste time pointing out the obvious to you. Till then, we are just going to point and laugh at your stupid ass.

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sparkle baby, when you get serious about anything we will waste time pointing out the obvious to you. Till then, we are just going to point and laugh at your stupid ass.

no one has a potent responce or i would hear it. i know how much all you insecure whiteys love to prove others wrong. lets have it. i’m laughing too… at all you pooches. what non-domestic terror was saddam sponsoring? we, after all, sponsored all his domestic terror.
do you deny that we put his party (and later him) into power? do you deny we supplied him with nasty shit he used on the kurds? do you deny that Baker is proposing a ‘cut and run’ withdrawal? do you deny that libya or pakistan sponsors terrorists? what about the bombing in india last week that pakistans intelligence service did? do you deny that Iran has more influence in the middle east in the wake of what we’ve done? why am i a stupid ass?

Okay, I’ll give it a shot:

Link to White House synopsis.

The meat:

In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.

Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.

Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.

Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.

In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a “martyr” and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, “You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue.”

Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

All of this is dated to when we loved Saddam or it is support for families… not terrorists. Or it is bullshit that INC liars told us that no one can back up (the last one). All this for Leon Klinghoffer!

And what do we do about the BCCI, which Bush Sr. helped start, that ended up laundering all of Osama’s money for him? Do we launch an offensive on Coastal Maine for aiding/sponsoring terrorists? WHAT ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA? But of course, Rob knows our current policy about the middle east which entails that we SHOULD BE FUCKING SAUDI ARABIA UP ANY DAY NOW.

Sparkie:

And what do we do about the BCCI, which Bush Sr. helped start, that ended up laundering all of Osama’s money for him?

Bush Sr helped found BCCI?  LOL.

You’re an idiot.

Was OBL an active terrorist then?  Had he done any terrorism against the US?  Ah doan theenk so!

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Arbuckle said:

All of this is dated to when we loved Saddam or it is support for families… not terrorists.

1993 was three years after we invaded Iraq the first time.  2002 was, well, four years ago.  Are you arguing that we were supporting Saddam Hussein after we invaded his country and as recently as 2002?  Is that really the rebuttal you are going to go with after you asked for examples of Saddam supporting terrorism?

I am pissed at the Democrats but not so much as to follow the Republicans blindly as some do.  I didn’t say that Ann Coulter spoke truth, but she is entitled to say anything she wants, (as long as it isn’t libel).

And sparkle baby is oh so right, this is an excellent ad. sparkle baby, I especially love your resounding defense of the war against terrorism. And your gushing love for W and his Admin is wonderful. Glad to see a leftard finally get it.

Thanks for proving my point that Republicans can go way too far in reading into what a person says.  I agree that the War on Terrorism is the right thing to be fighting, but going into Iraq was not the stated purpose of The War on Terror.  We were supposed to destroy Al-Qaeda, their supporters, and states that helped support Al-Qaeda, remember?  According to documents found in Iraq, Saddam didn’t have anything to do with Al-Qaeda.  Afghanistan I have no problems fighting over there.  Now, Al-Qaeda is in Iraq and according to President Bush Iraq is the central front in the war on terror.  Can’t argue about that in 2006.  In 2003, it was a sideshow to the war.  Don’t get me started on W and the Administration.  These Rambo wannabes can’t figure out what they are trying to accomplish. 

Ya know, y’all get hostile and self-rightous when people that don’t agree with you call you names.  You say that they don’t have an argument when they are calling names.  Doesn’t that include you if you are calling me a Leftard?

Since America is a nation of Free Speech, why do you all continue to call for Keith Olbermann to be silenced?  Does the 1st Amendment only apply to Republicans?  I’m not grasping this concept yet.  Hell, Ann Coulter can go on TV and say that the 4 Harpies wanted their husbands to die.  I didn’t like it, but that is free speech.

Hey Whistler, if you can talk to the dead, can you conjure up a conversationwith Barry Goldwater and see what he thinks about this election cycle?

Rob, if Progress For America is a independent advocacy group then moveon.org is as well.  Can’t have double-standards.

Rob, if Progress For America is a independent advocacy group then moveon.org is as well.  Can’t have double-standards.

By “independent” I meant independent as in not affiliated directly with any party.

It’s a conservative group, no doubt about it.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Agreed Rob.

Thanks for proving my point that Republicans can go way too far in reading into what a person says.

So, one person represents all Republicans?  Nice stereotype thinking; just not accurate.

I agree that the War on Terrorism is the right thing to be fighting, but going into Iraq was not the stated purpose of The War on Terror.

Of course it is.  It is a knife in the heart of radical Islam; a modern state in a sea of Medieval culture.

We were supposed to destroy Al-Qaeda, their supporters, and states that helped support Al-Qaeda, remember?

And we have, both in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

According to documents found in Iraq, Saddam didn’t have anything to do with Al-Qaeda.

The documents I have seen state just the opposite.

Afghanistan I have no problems fighting over there.  Now, Al-Qaeda is in Iraq and according to President Bush Iraq is the central front in the war on terror.  Can’t argue about that in 2006.  In 2003, it was a sideshow to the war.

Actually, it has been true since the ‘90s.

Don’t get me started on W and the Administration.  These Rambo wannabes can’t figure out what they are trying to accomplish.

To the contrary.  The President has been very clear and consistent(and successful) from the beginning.

Ya know, y’all get hostile and self-rightous when people that don’t agree with you call you names.  You say that they don’t have an argument when they are calling names.  Doesn’t that include you if you are calling me a Leftard?

I’m one of the “folks” here, and I’m not calling you any names.  Nice partisan stereotype thinking.

Since America is a nation of Free Speech, why do you all continue to call for Keith Olbermann to be silenced?

No one has done that.  Nice false generalization.

Does the 1st Amendment only apply to Republicans?  I’m not grasping this concept yet.  Hell, Ann Coulter can go on TV and say that the 4 Harpies wanted their husbands to die.

You lie; she didn’t say that.  She said she had never seen women who were enjoying their husbands’ death so much, no that they wanted their husbands to die.  Why do you need to lie to make your point?

I didn’t like it, but that is free speech.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.