….I guess YOUR the one who needs to check your facts.

Hey – at least I check them.

We can’t even get that from you.

ijust said i think its better for the enviorment and for you to be a vagitarain.

If history is a guide forcing people to do what you want them to do causes more problems than there were before.

(for example Anti-Poverty programs that create more poverty)

How that would play out in the case of forced vegetarianism is unclear but I don’t doubt that the law of unintended consequences would rear it’s ugly head.

weren’t you going to invite us over for a steak fry?

I like mine with lettuce and tomato. Heinz 57 and French fried potatoes!

Ima little young for that, I’m 13..

I didn’t see that before. Global warming is a fraud dreamt up by the collectivists to tell us what to do.

The Earth has been warming and cooling itself ever since it was created.

Furthermore the rest of the planets in the solar system have a nearly identical recent warming record as the Earth. That would lead us to think that the sun in it’s natural cycle is responsible for much of the current warming trend.

Furthermore any fixes proposed by the collectivists would almost certainly fail to do anything but make you and me poorer.

One further fact is that the Southern Ice Pack is growing, not shrinking so you don’t have to worry about the beach disappearing.

mmkay…

The facts i have gooten are coming form a published book, and there true.

Not necessarily. Of course what’s more important is whether or not those facts matter.

It turns out we’re not really short water, it even falls from the sky.

I never said to give it away if we produce grain for us we can SELL it to the malnorished ppl.

They can’t afford to buy it because their government doesn’t let them become successful. Turns out that’s what collectivist governments do, which is why I’m fighting them from getting power on the global warming ticket.

or one that runs on a completly alternate fuel such as corn

Shameful you should give poor people that corn to eat.

By the way why don’t you ask that teacher who brainwashed you what the whether will be like in North Dakota on October 12th. I want to make some plans.

Surely if he knows what the worldwide temperature is going to be in 100 years he can tell me what it’s going to be in one spot in six weeks.

And as for you whistelr, my teacher never said that he belives in global warming he just told us the facts on either side,

so you say. I wasn’t there. All I can tell is that somewhere along the line you’ve been brainwashed.

This is all just bullshit.

Does that mean you’re going to look at the facts rather than listen to those with an agenda?

Sweetheart, you have not studied the issue. Did you even go to any of the links I posted? Have you, in fact, read anything other than the globalwarming blahblah? You have the entire knowledge of the world inside that box called a computer. Use it. Don’t just skim over little pieces and decide you know all you need. That way lays a ruined life, for no reason whatsoever.

Global Climate Change, or Man Made Global Warming as you have chosen to call it, is a permanent component of our planet’s environment. During the last 55,000 years the climate of this planet has had several much sharper changes, up and down in temperature, than what is being experienced now.

Free your mind, your a&& will surely follow.

… Teachers teach diffrente curiculumns. and my science techer hardly teaches me to spell. my scienvce teacher did not tell us one way or the other whether to belive in global wamring. i will noty use no air conditiong or public transit, I will usea hybred car or one that runs on a completly alternate fuel such as corn (they will probably have finished developing that by the time i am ready to buy a car) and my house will not run on electricity but alternate fuels. I am not close minded, far from it, If i was close minded i wouldnt belive in some of things i belive in, if you can come up with a way we can eat meat and still save the enviorment tell me, in the mean time dont tell me that i am close minded. We breached the subject of algebra in 5th grade im in geomotry this year… And dont harp on me for not being able to spell, it’s called adhd… So what ever ill look at your sites, and ill counter whatever they say im sure i curently have 12 books checked from theklibrary on vegitarianism and animal rights so….

I took you for one who cooks their steak by putting it out in the sun for five minutes.

I eat out in a LOT of restaurants. I order my steaks Medium. That way anything from medium rare to to medium well and I’ve got a good hunk of cow!

if we eat no meat or less meat we will have more food the water table wontdrop so much (vegitarians need less waterfor there diet in a year than an omnivore in a month)

Coming from a person who is going to drive a car powered by corn.

Do you have any idea how much water it takes to process a gallon of ethanol?

Holy cow have you been indoctrinated.

By the way, did you know we’ve been in a warming trend since the last ice age?

So much for being the helpful citizen. You understand nothing, and display the usual willful ignorance of the leftard.

The Whistler… dang nabbit, no one in their right mind puts a steak in a fry pan… it’s kill ‘em and grill ‘em!

Aw, nuts. People were always rotten. But the world ‘was’ beautiful.

Did you know, each year 1,000 species become extinct just because of the trees we cut down raise cattle and cook meat?

Name ‘em.

Proof weren’t you going to invite us over for a steak fry?

20 vegetarians can live on the same area as one omnivore

Yet, somehow, refuse to!

I have decieded that i belive in global warming

Not just Global warming, but Martian Warming. Do you want to explain how we’re to blame for that too? I’m sure your teacher covered that too.

Anyways, my life will not be ruined because i belive in global warming where on earth do you get that?

If you look at the fixes you’ll see that they will cut your standard of living. You’ll be living in a small house without air conditioning, riding in public transport rather than driving a car.

Now that would hardly ruin your life, but it certainly would keep you from being all you can be.

A real life example of that is the environmental movement’s sustainable development for the poorest nations today. Rather than help the very poor develop they’re trying to hold them to a very low standard of living. That’s resulting in many deaths today from poor medication, refrigeration, and health hazards like indoor air pollution.

It’s barbaric holding people back.

And i still say we should all stop eating at taco bell to save the envioornment

We should stop eating at taco bells to save pur selves… >.<

The top destroyer of the environment is the cow.

That’s why I kill ‘em and eat ‘em!
Saving the planet one cow at a time! (No need to thank me! My pleasure!)

…. When you eat a cow you increase the demand for cows therefore the cattle industry raises more cows and they produce more methane, as well as a variety of other gases. “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, the whole world would be vegetarian” – Linda McCartney. Go to a local abottoir and watch a cow being slaughterd THEN eat meat. (if you can do thatr somethings wrong with you)

Haha, I just did a google search on “cow fart emissions” and you’re the #1 site, Rob! Congrats

… and tihs time it’s heating for 500 years longer than usual.

Very interesting.

In the first case the period between glaciers is nowhere near consistent so that a blip of 500 years would be less than nothing.

Secondly there’s no possible way that mankind could have caused a warm up 500 years ago.

And you might be surprised to learn that major weather events are not at any historically high level.

But even if all of this wasnt true id STILL be a vegitarian bc i dont like the idea of killing something to live

That’s certainly your choice, but you shouldn’t push your choices on the rest of us.

…graising yes, overgraising, no and overgraising is exactly what’s happening and is responisble for 50% of the erosion in the united states.

50% of the statistics on the internet are made up.

I took you for one who cooks their steak by putting it out in the sun for five minutes.

I like my beef burnt as hell and bloody rare.

In an aside, I don’t believe maggie grasps the essence of the comment thread.

….graising yes, overgraising, no and overgraising is exactly what’s happening and is responisble for 50% of the erosion in the united states.

The word is grazing not graising. Disregarding the mispelling, I can’t agree with your statement. Unlike goats and/or sheep who even eat the roots of the plants they graze on, cattle grazing does not destroy the plants that hold the soil inplace. Much more soil damage (erosion) is done from cultivated crops than ranching.

im happier not eating meat so im not gonna start eating meat…

Good for you! You’re free to have that choice. Just don’t try to impose your choice on other people or creatures, and you should be fine!
One vegetarian I knew decided that her cat should benefit from vegetarianism, too! ( Despite the fact that cats are carnivores!)
Never underestimate the power of a dumb idea!

Hmmm Beef for dinner with Pork Chops on the side and Eagle Claws for dessert I hope.

if this grain was insted fed to people we’d be able to feeed 2/3 of the 1.5 billion peopel who are malnourished.

History has shown us that giving away grain puts the local farmers out of business making the problem worse.

The reason why people are malnourished is because governments over the world do not allow people to take care of themselves.

OMG

History has shown us that giving away grain puts the local farmers out of business making the problem worse.

I never said to give it away if we produce grain for us we can SELL it to the malnorished ppl. The facts i have gooten are coming form a published book, and there true. The book i’m using is called Veggie Revolution. if you don’t belive my facts look in the book…

if we eat no meat or less meat we will have more food the water table wontdrop so much (vegitarians need less waterfor there diet in a year than an omnivore in a month)
Proof?

… I already told you this but ill say it agian… it takes 23 galleons of water to grow a pound of lettuce tomatoes or potatoes. It takes 25 galleons of water to grow a pound of meat. it take 49 galleons of water to grow a pound of apples. It takes 815 pounds of water to produce a pound of chicken. 1630 galleons of water to produce a pound of pork and 5214 galleons of water to produce a pound of beef. you do the math! And if your rebuttles are going to consit entirly of saying: Prove it, or thats not true you cant prove it ect. Then i think it’s pretty much pointless you try to debate this with me because my facts are true. Talk to me when you cna disprove them.

Coming from a person who is going to drive a car powered by corn.

Do you have any idea how much water it takes to process a gallon of ethanol?

as a matter of fact, it takes 180 galleons to produce a pound of corn. And i di not sday i was going to drive a car powerd by ethanol i said:

I will usea hybred car or one that runs on a completly alternate fuel such as corn

I have more options than just ethonal…. And if we stop eating so much meat we might have enough water to use ethanol rather oil!

Notice, Maggie, that you’ve more or less conceded here that your initial post’s claims are easily refuted, and that your source (PETA or likeminded groups) is engaging in a “rectal data extraction,” or “pulling numbers out of their…”.

Now why should we concede that the increase in meat agriculture would be harmful, when it’s clearly established that it is to this day neutral or even beneficial for the environment?

Maybe, for example, we could eat moose, which are stinking up all of Norway (and Minnesota) with a methane production rate similar to that of a cow. In that case, we have no net environmental impact from this.

In no case, however, can we assume a priori that the creation of yummy meat is environmentally harmful. The “factories” are, after all, God’s good creatures.And yum!

The fact is people have been looking ofr a way to redcue global warming,

Ever since the last ice age, although I don’t know why.

Maggie, the actual warming that might be attributed to man, if the theory is found to hold, is about 100 years or less. Your sources are flat out lying to you, and it will get you and/or others hurt in the long run.

I would counsel you to start looking very critically at your sources, and find new ones whose claims are better borne out in reality.

(and I’m glad you’re not going flat out vegan, BTW)

Thanks, Proof, I coined the phrase so I wouldn’t have to use the other one at work. It was a distressingly popular way to describe the claims of certain managers of a company that has unsurprisingly gone under.

And Maggie, I think you need to seriously consider looking at some other data besides what the PETA types are telling you for two reasons.

First, if you’re really 13, you need Vitamin B12 and complete proteins to grow up right. They’re needed for your brain, bones, muscles, and more. B12 is not found in vegetable diets at all, and complete proteins are very difficult to get without some meat or dairy–especially for young teens like yourself. See http://www.eatright.org for other information on this.

Second, reality is that raising animals for meat does not necessarily harm the environment, but rather preserves it. If you don’t put ruminants on a grassland, it quickly changes to something else.

In other words, those silicone-filled models who are stripping to “prove the point” of PETA really don’t have a clue about either diet or environment, and their behavior should be our first clue that this is the case. Please, get away from them before they get you hurt!

Im not saying you have to be a vegitarian.

That’s good to here. A lot of the people that say the things you were saying want to push people as far as they can.

For example the global warming people say they are going to make business pay to fix the problem. Well that’s simply not true. Their agenda is to limit my choices while making me pay a lot more things I need.

O and also, you say that one hundred years ago there where the 50 million bison that there are now cows. You also say that the period between this ice age and the last is only one hundred years longer than any other, and that humans didnt put out enough CO2 back then to make a diffrence in the enviorment. HMM! biason one hundred years ago people couldnt make a big enough diffrece in CO2 levels, and YET there’s still the fact it’s one hundred years longerthan ever before… Some how i think the cows mighta been makeing a diffrnce back thewn even if WE weren’t.

Damn! Wish I had been home earlier. maggie, glad you do grasp the essence of the comment thread. Having discussions with many of the people you will meet at sayanythingblog is a very good way to add to your education and expand your understanding of the world and country around you. Public Service spot closes.

Darlin’, you need to look at all sides and angles of issues. You need to build a foundation, as it were, of information. Not wanting to eat meat because the process of bringing it from field to table is unpleasant is perfectly acceptable. You may change that view as you get older, may not.

As for the environment, you need to go do some reading at a few sites that have information formatted for someone your age.

Here are some links to get a start. Planetary Sciences covers a lot of ground, and NASA has a clunky page format. Still, there is a vast amount of content. The Sun is a very important variable in our environment. And there are some real cool images and video clips.

This site is a bit out of date, the program ended, I believe. NAMMA changed the way many people look at Tropical Storm development. You can google Accuweather.com and get satellite and radar from their public page and see how weather pattern flow works. Look at the Hurricane Center to see how storms form and move.

And last, most people who come to sayanything are adults, so you should probably let your parents know you come here and get them to check it out. They may not approve, don’t want you getting in trouble. The NASA links are clean and age appropriate, no problem there.

Cows fartsd in moderation are fine, but when the thosands that we have are on earth it becomes bad enough to cause trouble. 30% of earth’s laand surface is for cattle raising. For further info read this sepment of article i worte.
First of all in this is that cattle raising is the most harmful part of agriculture. The biggest damage of any non human is over grazing which causes soil erosion desertification and tropical deforestation. A large amount of methane is produced by the cows that are raised for food which helps cause global warming. A diet including meat uses up to 3 times as many resources as a vegetarian diet! Meat usage is expected to double by 2050 and aquaculture will increase causing more pollution. Also as we have to raise more fish and cattle there will be more water and land usage. 20 vegetarians can live on the same area as one omnivore and being a vegetarian will allow more people to live and have enough to eat. Meat is already getting more and more expensive, that’s because it’s so harmful to the environment and there’s not enough for everyone, but even the rising prices of meat are a small price to pay compared to what our eating meat is doing to the environment.
Not only does eating meat cause the cattle to do so much damage to the land and aquaculture pollute the water, raising cattle and cooking meat increases global warming. Raising cattle produces large amounts of methane, which is one of the green house gases, it’s not the most prominent one, but it will rise in the next few years if we continue to eat meat and raise as much cattle because we will need more as the population rises. If we eat all vegetables we will need one twentieth of the land we currently use to raise food. By being a vegetarian you can significantly reduce your environmental foot print, or lower the impact of your self on the environment. Did you know, each year 1,000 species become extinct just because of the trees we cut down raise cattle and cook meat? By being a vegetarian you do not need to use as much fuel to cook with. If we don’t use the fuel to cook meat less trees will be cut down and less species will die because of this, and we will use less non renewable resources that put the green house gases in the air. Cattle produces more greenhouse gases, 13.5% of total, than the entire world transport, 18% or total, and is responsible for 37% of the total methane generated by humans. Methane is 23 times worse for the environment than CO2. Cows alone produce 4% of the total greenhouse gases, and there are also sheep to consider. The top destroyer of the environment is the cow. It takes less water to produce veggies. We use 30% of the earth’s surface to produce meat and 70% of the area we use to produce food is for meat. 20% of the earth’s grazing areas quality has been reduced by raising cattle. 70% of the Amazon’s deforestation has happened so that more cattle can be raised. It takes three times more fuel to create a meat diet than a vegetarian one. We’ve been looking for a way to decrease global warming for years, here it is, and it’s as simple as stop eating meat. I don’t know about you, but it’s beging to look as though we’re sacrificing a little much for a simple pleasure to me.
Please feel free to email me with any response you might have.

…. I NEVER said its not ok to eat meat…. and as

we’ve noted before on this thread

zgrass lands do need to be grazzed But NOT over grazed! Not to the point where the mass erosion we have is takeing place. I do think we should eat less meat and its not just for the globaL WARMING REASONS (I am forced to admit there are some pretty good counter arguemnts, but then agai nthe tobaco company has good counter argumnets thjat have no truth what so ever such as driking o glass of whole milk is moe hazardis to your health than secound hand smoke) if we eat no meat or less meat we will have more food the water table wontdrop so much (vegitarians need less waterfor there diet in a year than an omnivore in a month) animls are treated inhumanly, some chicken farms have over 1 million chickens in them with chickens kept in cages stacked on top of each other in cages with a floor spaces smaller than an aveage pice of paper. Hogs are slaughterd at 25 weeks of age and cows at 14 months. The average american eats twice as much meat as people ion other countries. 2/3 of the grain we grow is fed to cows! if this grain was insted fed to people we’d be able to feeed 2/3 of the 1.5 billion peopel who are malnourished. If every one lived like americans we’d need FOUR friggin earhths to support us all. the avergae american is responisble for 2,00 pounds of grain intake every year most of which is eaten by a cow which is eaten by them, the avergae indian person is responisble for the intake of 400 lbs of grain most of which they eat directly. 291 BILLION POUNDS OF MANUER every year in the us is dumped into a pit or sprayed over your crops and is given NO SEWAGE TREATMENT!!!! The amount of water used to make 1,00 lbs of beef could float a destroyer! ( that’s 5214000 galleons of water by the way compared to the 23000 galleons of water it would take to make that much lettuce.) And this time don’t tell me my facts are incorect i got them from a published non fiction book not the internet….

In the movie, soilent green turned out to be the (secret) Human food!

One critical part of education, Maggie, is to realize that just because it’s a published book doesn’t make it factual, and part of the job of reading is to analyze whether a claim is factual or not.

So to “parrot” the claims of a book, as you have done, is to fail the most basic test of the reader. It is to establish clearly what whatever your school has done, it is not in the process of educating you. It is indoctrinating you.

It’s time to ask your parents for a way out of that school.

I’m with 2H9 on beef. You make sure it’s well aged (leave it in the fridge a week if need be), put a little bit of salt and parsley on it, and cook it quickly over high heat. Open fire is wonderful, but you can also do amazing things with a black iron skillet.

French style! Yum! I’m not much for French politics (though Sarkozy is a definite improvement), but their food….ooh la la!

And Maggie’s point? Well, we have around 40-50 million cattle in the U.S. today, and we had about the same number of bison until Buffalo Bill and his friends got going. The fact of the matter is that healthy grasslands depend on grazing, and we might as well enjoy eating those animals in the deal.

You can always count on the PETA types to ignore basic ecological facts, eh?

OMG my facts have been chcked before the book was published! it’d published under NON fiction. And I havent been brainwashd i just belive strongly in animal rights nad im not gonna ignore the facts and ill spred them…

And that’s no bull.

Sorry, had to be done.

Dave, you might be surprised. It’s said that there used to be about 50 million bison on the continent, while the total number of cattle (adult) is 45 million today.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/BSEOIGFAQ.pdf

So you’re stuck not arguing against mass agriculture, but rather a more subtle argument about whether corn or grass feeding makes Bossy more flatulent. Enjoy your research!

And I still think that we ALL ought to avoid Taco Bell to save the environment!

Should we engage in a campaign to lower the world’s population? Maybe start limiting births and killing the mentally handicapped? After we all go vegetarian and euthanize the domesticized cattle population, that is.

Oh my, Dave’s gonna be in 7th heaven over this one!

Regards…

rock on