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Monday, September 17, 2007

Cops Taser Guy After Asking A Question At Political Gathering

Stupid neocon cops trying to protect Bushitler from the truth...er...wait a minute, is that Kerry speaking in the background?

Not sure what the kid did to attract the attention of the cops.  At the time the video picks up they’re standing behind him obviously waiting to take him into custody, at which point he begins resisting arrest (which justifies the use of the taser, I believe).

Assuming the cops had a legitimate reason for taking the kid into custody (I just don’t know at this point), everything on the video looks appropriate.  The cops attempted to arrest him, he resisted, he was warned several times that if he continued to resist he would be tased, he continued to resist, so he got shocked.

End of story.  And it isn’t a free speech issue.  As I’ve said over and over again when these left-wing nutters target people on the right, free speech doesn’t extend to disrupting other people’s peaceful assemblies or other people’s free speech.

I’d really, really like to know what this idiot did though.

Update: According to this article the kid (one Andrew Meyer) was rambling on and on way past his alloted time for asking a question.  He was asked to leave, he refused, the cops converged to remove him, he resisted...and you already know the rest.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable response from the cops to me.  He was disrupting this event and then refused to leave when the organizers asked him to.  Case closed as far as I’m concerned.  Allah isn’t so sure saying the cops come out looking bad too.

I couldn’t disagree more.  What are the cops supposed to do?  They were called in to remove someone who was disrupting a public event.  That person resisted arrest.  What are they supposed to do at that point, let him go?  Let him keep berating the speaker and denying everyone else their right to assemble at the event and ask the speaker their own questions?

This guy got what he deserved, and the cops did a fine job in a nasty situation.

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Seems to me that the Taser accomplished it’s purpose he left relatively peacefully rather than getting a police officer hurt wrestling with him.

Of course I would have liked to see him hogtied and carried out and oops dropped down the stairs.

I hate idiots.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on September 17, 2007 at 08:14 pm

I think he looked a lil’, less than innocent, when he arrived with 4 or 5 cops in tow.
For a punishment he should have to watch all the videos and he’ll see everyone laughing at him making a fool of himself


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Anna on September 17, 2007 at 08:24 pm

Kerry says “That’s alright let me answer his question.”

Guess the cops didn’t like the question.

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Kerry says “That’s alright let me answer his question.”

Guess the cops didn’t like the question.

That’s Kerry just being a politician.  According to the article he’d been at it for a while, which makes it seem perfectly appropriate to ask the cops to remove him at that point.


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Rob on September 17, 2007 at 08:36 pm

I wonder if Kerry’s crowd handling skills were up to the task.  I would think that you could solve most meandering questions by saying I’ll answer the question if you ask it and hand of the microphone.  The rest of the guys are waiting.

However this loon very well went there with the idea of being arrested.


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The Whistler on September 17, 2007 at 09:03 pm

Geez Rob, next think we know you’ll be cheerleading when they taser Sally Field for running over.

Of course that would be a good thing…

Carrick on September 17, 2007 at 09:05 pm
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Oh yeah right.  Tasing the guy was really appropriate when there are six cops on top of him holding him down.  That’s the America I want to live in.  He’s going to sue and win a lot of money from this.

Dave on September 17, 2007 at 10:23 pm

Tasing the guy was really appropriate when there are six cops on top of him holding him down.

As far as I am concerned, they should have tased him the moment he spun around while preventing his escort out of there. The guy doesn’t own that place. He was given an opportunity to ask a question and like an idiot, he went on and on and on like he owned the show. He had no right to be there. He was a guest and he violated the house rules, then he fought the cops over something that was never his to begin with (his non-existent right to be there). He punched his ticket and earned those volts.

likwidshoe on September 18, 2007 at 12:01 am
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the pigs must be useless there was 4 of them at least

gavin brown on September 18, 2007 at 12:40 am

gavin brown, The only people who refer to cops as “pigs” are subnormal people like you who lack the social ability necessary to live along side others in a civil manner and therefore you blame all things on everyone but your own ineptness at socialization.
So, with that said to you gavin brown, Shut your @#$*#@ mouth and don’t refer to cops as “pigs”
The cops weren’t useless what so ever. They were simply trying to avoid a full blown out take down. Their only mistake was not taking him down as soon as the asshole resisted their orders. If they would have done that, they would only need one or two cops and there would not have been any drawn out scene.
They should have forcefully taken him down, face in the ground, with a knee on his upper back and cuffed him and then dragged his sorry ass out of there in just a few minutes instead of trying to be politically correct about it so “not to offend” his civil rights.


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Anna on September 18, 2007 at 01:19 am
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excuse, maybe “the filth” would have been better instead of pig

gavin brown on September 18, 2007 at 03:39 am

excuse, maybe “the filth” would have been better instead of pig

How about the fuzz? That makes much more sense. Sometimes they’re the good guys going after bad guys, othertimes they’re the bad guys going after good guys. It’s all fuzzy.

likwidshoe on September 18, 2007 at 04:02 am

Cool!! Now we can taser people at Republican political events and in Congress. YAY!!!! Every time some one from codepink opens their mouth we can taser them!YAY!!!!Every time some one from moveon opens their mouth we can taser them!YAY!!!

Oh, thats right, this shit only happens at Democrat Bunds Rallies and Democrat colleges. I can not believe y’all are supporting the suppression of a citizens right to speak their piece by use of electric shock therapy. 6 cops could not remove one person without electrocuting them? Those 6 cops need their asses fired.

This guy is going to be very, very rich in about a year. More tax dollars thrown down the toilet.


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2Hotel9 on September 18, 2007 at 04:08 am
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Maybe earlier Kerrey could have spoken to him face to face, and stopped the cops from taking him. If he was really delusional, then the cops could take him away. Usually people are escorted out, but actually arrested only if they don’t leave the premises. Assuming he was the only “troublemaker”, there would not be much time or disruption involved - and Kerry would have come out smelling like a rose.

M Not-Shure on September 18, 2007 at 05:17 am

The video showed that the Tasering was appropriate. 

He was still resisting when he was on the ground.  The cops Tased him and the fight was over.

The cops need to use the minimal amount of force.  If they used a nightstick (modern style) in a submission hold then there’s still a chance of injury.  I didn’t even see that they had those in fact. 

The taser causes pain, but so do other physical techniques to make the criminal stop fighting.  The difference with the taser is that it doesn’t cause lasting injury.


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The Whistler on September 18, 2007 at 05:33 am

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WOOF on September 18, 2007 at 05:47 am

Since when was questioning a Democrat a crime punishable by electrocution? And 6 cops incapable of removing 1 person?

Had this happened at a Republican event people would be howling about policestate tactics and suppression of free speech. Happens at a Democrat event and it is all okey dokey? Please


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2Hotel9 on September 18, 2007 at 05:52 am

I leave it to the Democrats to be situational hypocrites.

If behavior is wrong in one political venue, it’s wrong when it’s in the other sides venue.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on September 18, 2007 at 05:54 am

The guy was there to cause problems or he wouldn’t have been followed into the room by all the officers in the first place.


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I leave it to the Democrats to be situational hypocrites.

Whistler: What have I taught you about the use of unnecessary adjectives?


Excuse me, you were saying?

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The guy was there to cause problems or he wouldn’t have been followed into the room by all the officers in the first place.

...unless he was tapping his foot in the men’s room!

Excuse me, you were saying?

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Proof on September 18, 2007 at 06:00 am

Proof, if you’re going to make a statement, you need to refer to the knucklehead by his name so he can google his attention seeking self with less effort.

...unless Andrew Meyer was tapping his foot in the men’s room!

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Anna on September 18, 2007 at 07:15 am

Gavin Brown said:

the pigs must be useless there was 4 of them at least

Sigh. Another uninformed moron heard from.

Yeah, there were four or five of them. That way they can restrain or immobilize without either getting hurt or hurting the fool they were wrestling with.

Cops have rules to live by. If not then it probably would have taken one of them to subdue him by busting his head with a baton or flashlight and dragging him off like they did thirty years ago.

Which way would you rather have it, zippy?

Another thing: This ain’t the wild west. Cops don’t get paid to act like they’re in a bar fight when they take someone into custody.

And as far as the “free speech” issue goes, the guy jumped line in front of other questioners who were waiting their turn. What about their “free speech?” Why does he have the right to interfere in that?

Those cops were in a damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don’t situation. If they hadn’t acted idiots like Gavin Brown would be howling that cops don’t protect democrats from interfereing moonbats.

Tell you wha,t Gavin - the next time you’re or your family are the victim of a crime call the ACLU to help you instead of those filthy pigs.

Fool.


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Pilgrim on September 18, 2007 at 09:32 am

Oh....and Dave said:

He’s going to sue and win a lot of money from this

No, he’s not. They were well past the point where the use of a taser was justified. All he has to do is begin resisting. They tried to get him ourt without it but he continued to fight.

By the way, does anyone out there actually think those cops didn’t know that they had dozens of cameras on them? How much misconduct would you participate in knowing that your every move will be scrutinized by millions?

They acted within acceptable parameters. Get over it.


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I’m with Pilgrim, guys.  I’m the son of a cop, and I’d ask why those cops should put themselves at risk of injury because this jackass is kicking and fighting?

Yes, six cops had him on the ground.  And he was still struggling and resisting.  If they’d let him up, he’d have kept kicking.  The proper thing to do is tase him into submission.

And this wasn’t just about him asking a question.  He asked his question, and then wouldn’t get off the microphone.  He went on and on and on and when the people organizing the event asked him to leave because he was being disruptive, he refused.  So they called the cops.  He resisted the cops and was subdued using the tools we, the taxpayers, provided the cops with.

Again, case closed.  Free speech doesn’t include the right to disrupt other people’s events, and it certainly doesn’t include the right to kick and fight the cops who are just trying to escort you from an event where you are not welcome.


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Rob on September 18, 2007 at 09:50 am

They acted within acceptable parameters. Get over it.

Even a layman should be able to figure out that when a guy’s kicking and flailing and headbutting someone’s going to get injured.

The way the guy was acting it was either hogtie him and carry him out or tase him to get him to cooperate.  (No injury).

Besides the police department has fixed rules of when to do what. I’m sure they followed them, no successful lawsuit.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on September 18, 2007 at 10:21 am

If it’s any concellation, the guy, Meyer, was a leftist moonbat.  From LGF

The student claimed that University Police Department officers had already threatened to arrest him, and then proceeded to question Kerry about why he didn’t contest the 2004 presidential election and why there had been no moves to impeach President Bush

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You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on September 18, 2007 at 10:27 am

If it’s any consolation, the guy, Meyer, was a leftist moonbat.  From LGF

I repeat (yeah, same as I told ya so)
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I think he looked a lil’, less than innocent, when he arrived with 4 or 5 cops in tow.
The guy was there to cause problems or he wouldn’t have been followed into the room by all the officers in the first place.


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Anna on September 18, 2007 at 01:36 pm

It’s more of an example of how the far Left isn’t happy with the Dems, either.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 18, 2007 at 01:39 pm

There’s no question that Meyer is a radical leftie.  He probably keeps a “diary” at Kos, and gets all his screensavers from MoveOn.org.

But he does raise an interesting question… even if unintentionally.  To wit, what exactly has John Kerry actually done as a Democrat?  Ever?

Talk about “fighting for __________ “ (insert your favorite liberal victim’s group here) is beyond cliche.  Its boilerplate.  And talk like that is Kerry’s specialty… his stock in trade.

But beyond the BS, what exactly has John Kerry ever accomplished? What policies has he seen instituted, what legislation has he passed in his 23 year Senate career?  Other than marrying the fortunes representing other men’s accomplishments, what has John Kerry actually DONE in life?

The Democrats, stupidly in my opinion, nominated Kerry in 2004.  Its a little late, sure, but shouldn’t someone on the left question just what kind of return they got for their investment?


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Bat One on September 18, 2007 at 02:03 pm

Bat: The leftie extremists want the Dems to effect a communist takeover of the US, and aren’t happy that the Party they bought isn’t marching to their tune.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 18, 2007 at 02:08 pm

It’s more of an example of how the far Left isn’t happy with the Dems, either.

Well, they can always vote for Fred Thompson instead.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on September 18, 2007 at 02:26 pm
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