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Rob: Even if prostitution was legal, would you want prostitutes(or ex-prostitutes) teaching young kids?  The moral situation is pretty clear to me.  You may think adults have the “right” to sell themselves for money, but why rope kids into this lifestyle and value system?  The public education(indoctrination) system is bad enough, without introducing kids to this.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

What curriculum are we talking about here?

Frankly I don’t want my kids learning from a person of bad morals.  Rob’s point is great about school choice, but until then we have to set some standards.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

TW: School choice is not the answer to lowered moral standards in the certifying of teachers.  The next thing after this, is that they will have the “right” to teach anywhere, and no one will be able to “discriminate” against them because of their past misdeeds.  Wake up and smell the coffee!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Robert, Since I’m dreaming here, let me dream of a place where I don’t have to hire sex workers to teach my kids without getting sued.

GOT IT!

I am calm now.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Even if prostitution was legal, would you want prostitutes(or ex-prostitutes) teaching young kids?

No, I wouldn’t.

School choice is not the answer to lowered moral standards in the certifying of teachers.

Sure it is.  You can simply choose not to have your kids taught at a school that allows former sex workers as teachers.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Mothers and Hookers Unite!

Mary Kay LeTourneau

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Sure it is.  You can simply choose not to have your kids taught at a school that allows former sex workers as teachers.

I covered that already:

The next thing after this, is that they will have the “right” to teach anywhere, and no one will be able to “discriminate” against them because of their past misdeeds.

I just don’t see any benefit to society from starting down this slippery slope.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Mothers and Hookers Unite!

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rob

I’m all for women doing with their bodies what they want (though I don’t believe that extends to murdering their offspring who just happen to reside within their bodies), so if a woman wants to have sex with a man for money...so be it.

ha ha ha. i love how you say, “who just happen to reside within their bodies” like its a matter of chance or pragmatics. Also, that above statement of your is a lie. You have said in the past that you support mandated, publicly-funded medical care for pregnant women. That’s not letting women do with their bodies what they want now is it?

Who better to teach Sex Education?

Who better to teach Sex Education?

Perfect leftiethink.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I might have missed something, but how does being a hooker negatively affect one’s ability to teach? Obviously these ‘hos’ ain’t gonna be turning tricks in the classroom… so who cares?

BTW prostitution is legal here in Rhode Island.

Teacher’s also teach (at least should teach) character.

If the teacher tells the kids she paid her way through college on her back (particularly when that’s illegal) then I have a problem with that person teaching young ladies.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

BTW prostitution is legal here in Rhode Island.

And I wondered why Sparkie lived in (or at least visited often) Rhode Island.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

TW
Its fine when they say they funded it by stripping or being an escort, but not a prostitute? Those are both legal, upright vocations. Teachers teach subjects, not character. Parents teach character. Also, FYI, I have never had paid sex or been paid for sex.

like its a matter of chance or pragmatics.

It’s actually the direct consequence of voluntary actions, in the vast majority of cases.

That’s not letting women do with their bodies what they want now is it?

It’s your leftie fantasy that women can do anything they want with their bodies.  They can’t put alcohol in their bodies and drive, and they aren’t supposed to put many dangerous drugs in their bodies, so that’s just another leftie lie.
On top of that(get the joke?), the so-called “abortion right” only applies to a small minority, in violation of Equal Protection.  It only applies to women of childbearing age who are pregnant and who don’t want their baby.  In a country of 300 million, there are about a million and a half abortions each year(an obscene number, IMO), but this “right” only applies to 1/2 of one percent of the population.  What sort of “right” is that?
Just one of many reasons to overturn Roe.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

sorry, wrong rob. i meant ‘rob’, not you.

Obviously these ‘hos’ ain’t gonna be turning tricks in the classroom…

Mary Kay Letourneau and many others...and they weren’t even prostitutes.  Wrong again, Sparkie; the character of those who teach our children is of great importance.

Ward Churchill, for instance.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

and they weren’t even prostitutes

thanks for rebutting yourself

thanks for rebutting yourself

Another lie from you, Sparkie!  You are outdoing your usual performance today.
My original statement(the part you conveniently left out):

...the character of those who teach our children is of great importance.

Mary Kay Letourneau shouldn’t have been hired, either.  Why hire someone of known low moral character?  That’s just stupid.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

r108
that’s all well and good, but this thread is about prostitute teachers. got it? prostitute teachers.

r108
thanks for furthering my argument that none of this can be correlated to prostituting. its really above and beyond, but hey, thanks.

I have been consistently in support of moral qualifications for teaching children, and hiring former prostitutes is just wrong.  We have enough trouble with predatory teachers as it is.  Get it, Sparkie?

thanks for furthering my argument that none of this can be correlated to prostituting. its really above and beyond, but hey, thanks.

You’re being sillier than usual today, Sparkie.  Once again, it’s about having moral qualifications for teachers.  I guess if your Marxist thinking leads you to believe that prostitutes are moral, then it’s understandable, but I don’t think that.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

i never said prostitutes are moral - perhaps they are morally ambiguous.

how one acts in the classroom probably has little to do with how someone acts in their private life. r108, do you and your fellow McDonalds employees go around asking people if they, ‘want fries with that?’ when you aren’t on the clock? i don’t think so. in the same vein, do you spew your mccarthy bullshit from the drive up window while you’re on the clock? i don’t think so. ok. glad i cleared that one up for you.

McDonalds employees aren’t supposed to be educating children.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

TW
you get my point. Pretend you don’t, but you do. Maybe some of the moral people you laud go home and do some freaky immoral s**t on their own clock. What about all these republican pedophiles and christian methaddict homosexuals? Who cares about their private lives RIGHT GUYS?

you get my point. Pretend you don’t, but you do.

Not really, I want school teachers to to not tear down the morals I’m trying to teach my kids. 

You can screw up your family if you want.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I want school teachers to to not tear down the morals I’m trying to teach my kids.

Homeschool then, like the jihadists do.

you get my point. Pretend you don’t, but you do. Maybe some of the moral people you laud go home and do some freaky immoral s**t on their own clock. What about all these republican pedophiles and christian methaddict homosexuals? Who cares about their private lives RIGHT GUYS?

Thought this was about prostitute teachers? As long as those guys you focus on aren’t trying to be teachers, it’s not relevant to this discussion, is it?
Of course, if you ever have any children, you are free to hire a prostitute to be their nanny…

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I think they send them to the jihadist indoctrination centers rather than the secular indoctrination centers.

By the way I’m not really in favor of a religions (Christian) education either.  I’d be happy if the schools taught the reading, writing and arithmetic.

Funny story my kid who’s in elementary school told me that the teacher had just talked about this lady who was going to be (I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she said might be) the next President.  My kid told the teacher that she (Hillary) wants to take all of our money.

What a good kid.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Homeschool then, like the jihadists do.

Nice McCarthyism, Sparkie!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

My kid told the teacher that she (Hillary) wants to take all of our money. What a good kid.

Hee hee. Pushing back already! Good job TW. I have always disagreed with my teachers, no matter what they say. They all think I’m a little prick, but now I’m on my way to a phd with a 3.8 gpa and I still don’t believe crap anyone says. I plan on going back and chewing them out for punishing my independent traits instead of encouraging and nurturing them - and I’m gonna make them address me as ‘Dr.’ hee hee hee.

Sparkie: I notice you have ignored my question about how lowering the moral standards for teacher to allow (hopefully)former prostitutes as teachers benefits society at all.
Forget the usual leftie “rights” blather, since no one has the right to be a teacher; you have to meet all the requirements.  This is really about lowering teacher requirements, and why should we even think about doing that?  Who benefits?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I knew a girl in college who I am sure she was a prostitute. She was one of 15 children. I knew alot of college girls who were not prostitutes. BUT they should have been??? OR could have been?

You have said in the past that you support mandated, publicly-funded medical care for pregnant women.

I support mandatory pre-natal care for mothers criminally negligent in bringing their children to term.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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ha ha ha. i love how you say, “who just happen to reside within their bodies” like its a matter of chance or pragmatics.

I’m illustrating the absurdity of drawing a line between children in the womb and children out of the womb, as though there were a moral difference between killing one and not the other.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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rob
fyi there are no children in wombs. those things are called fetuses ok? fetuses don’t run or eat or think or play with blocks. children do. little difference, i know, but its still a difference.

prostitutes who can act normally in a classroom shouldn’t be banned from teaching.

fyi there are no children in wombs. those things are called fetuses ok?

Sparkie: That thing in your arm is not an “arm bone”, it’s called an ulna, ok? A distinction without a difference....

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* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Sparkie: FYI, it’s a “human” fetus, and the “human” part is the important part.  When you want to kill something(like you lefties like to kill your unborn children) you have to dehumanize it first.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

So what happens when the baby moves from the womb thru the birthing canal and out into the world.

Is it some kind of magic that happens?

Sparkie’s a fool.  Just because you call it a fetus one minute and a baby the next it’s the same thing.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Sparkie’s a fool.

i might be a lot of things, but that ain’t one. sure, its a labeling problem. we both exploit it for our side. bfd.

we both exploit it for our side.

Not at all, I’m consistant saying it’s baby when it’s in the womb, when it’s in the birthing canal and when it comes out.

You’re the saying something magical happens.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

we both exploit it for our side.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

TW
You are consistant? Does this look like a f**king baby or a child to you?

If that’s a baby, there sure is some f**king magic involved.

Nice bit of confusion there Sparkie, but as far as I know no two cell babies have been subject to a partial birth abortion.

Pathetic really. 

Hey have you changed any of your posts lately?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Sparkei,

That “magic” you refer to is known to most of us as the hand of God.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Oh, now we are talking about partial birth abortion? Ok, someone fill me in here. I thought this was an all inclusive abortion discussion.

So you are pro ‘murdering’* during the first trimester TW?

* bullshit

That “magic” you refer to is known to most of us as the hand of God.

Another effing labeling problem.
Goddammit.
Far be it for me to know that some people refer to coitus as ‘the hand of God’.

Science? What ever happened to science?

You know I would disagree slightly with first trimester abortions, but to me killing a viable baby is a atrocity.

So color me a bit more nuanced than your average pro-lifer. 

By the way I don’t have a problem with the morning after pill provided it meets the same standards as the rest of the pharmaceutical industry.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Meanwhile at the bar: “Hey baby! Wanna go back to my place and do ‘the hand of god’ tonight?”

People are animals. Fess up.

People are animals. Fess up.

Your family maybe.

Does that pickup line work with your sister?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

TW
What?

Another question: How come its not immoral when god kills people, but it is when we do? How come its not immoral to kill iraqis? Are not they human?

Oh wait, its the dehumanizing efforts of docdave, bezu, move_zig, and the rest of you fools who HATE ALL MUSLIMS. Just like r108 pointed out above. That’s immoral.

Why is it not immoral to advocate CP, despite the fact that our guilt finding apparatuses in this country are fallible? That’s immoral.

Can’t have it both ways now can we?

We can call people who are attempting to kill us.  Many of people under that description are Muslim.

Boy that koolade’s going to your head.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I forgot, huh?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

We can call people who are attempting to kill us.  Many of people under that description are Muslim.

I don’t call anyone that’s trying to kill me! And what the hell does that have to do with morality?

Sparkie,

As you are well aware, given your penchant for obscure intellectual calisthenics, science has been the victim of a fairly successful hijacking since the time of Karl Marx.

Besides, science and religious faith deal with entirely different questions the answers to which are not interchangeable.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat
Its true. Good night.

I don’t call anyone that’s trying to kill me!

They’ll get around to you sometime if we give them enough time. 

Frankly I’d rather kill a Muslim before he kills you even if it means you’re going to continue your inane arguments. 

And what the hell does that have to do with morality?

The moral thing is to stop the evil person however you have to do it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Another question: How come its not immoral when god (sic) kills people, but it is when we do? How come its not immoral to kill Iraqis? Are not they human?

Good question.  Ask Him.

As for the Iraqis, I suspect the answer has something to do with the idea that most people, even Christians, placed in a kill or be killed situation,
prefer to take their chances explaining the circumstances and their actions, later, focusing instead on staying alive.

Gandhi, regarded a something of a saint by the secular Left, is said to have urged the English to surrender to Hitler and the Jews to kill themselves rather than resist.  Thanks to those who were willing to overlook the “immorality” of warfare and killing, we speak neither German nor Japanese today (unless we choose to).

Obviously, the problem with outlawing anything, including the use of force, is what to do about those who disregard the law.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

How come its not immoral when god (sic) kills people, but it is when we do? How come its not immoral to kill Iraqis?

It’s God’s business to forgive our enemies--it’s our
business to arrange the meeting.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Another question: How come its not immoral when god kills people, but it is when we do? How come its not immoral to kill iraqis? Are not they human?

Oh wait, its the dehumanizing efforts of docdave, bezu, move_zig, and the rest of you fools who HATE ALL MUSLIMS. Just like r108 pointed out above. That’s immoral.

Why is it not immoral to advocate CP, despite the fact that our guilt finding apparatuses in this country are fallible? That’s immoral.

sparkie, too often you are as dense as rocks.  Are you taking your meds and staying off the hard stuff?

Your statement that we hate ALL muslims is completely false for I never said or implied that and I doubt that others did as well.  Even if it was true, it wouldn’t compare to the muslim hate of Jews and non-muslims since we have yet to kill a muslim and one cannot say the same about them.

If you have to ask questions about morality and immorality, that seems to say that you know nothing about the subject.  Most people learm what is moral and what is immoral when they were very young.  What were you doing in your youth to miss those vsluable lessons.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

If the prostitute is a former prositute, and she is NOT an advocate for legal prostitution; I believe in redemption and if she has teaching skills and credentials, I believe she should be allowed to teach and could do so without exposing the children to any moral harm. I am sure other people having lived formerly immoral lifestyles can be redeemed and make a positive contribution even in the classroom, as long as they are all monitored and routinely evaluated to make sure they are still former offenders. However, one thing not mentioned above is that many states and school districts will not allow anyone to interact or have close proximity to children if they have ever been convicted of a sexual crime or even suspected of anything involving moral turpitude. I was subjected to local, state and federal fingerprint criminal background checks before I could work with children, I am subjected to frequent blood alcohol and drug analysis, and my behavior (contact) with children is closely monitored and documented despite the fact I have no past episodes of moral turpitude in my file or life. So, where I work and in many states in this country former prostitutes would be excluded from employment in any school.

What about God taking the lives of others or Americans killing people in Iraq, criminals or etcetera? 1. God created everything and as our Creator would never do evil. If He allows other men or circumstances wherein people are killed, even in the Old Testament when He commanded such deaths, it was always to protect the lives and the moral/spirtual health of His chosen people or under the New Covenenat his children from evil. 2. When a person comes into my home threatening my family, if I kill them it is a matter of taking a life to save other lives and surely it is a moral act to save the lives of others. Likewise, when terrorist murderers come into my national home to kill my national family, it is surely moral to hunt them down and kill them to save the lives of innocent people in my national home. While it was not our primary mission, in Iraq our war against terrorists is saving the lives of innocent Iraqi’s and even innocent Americans living abroad. These acts are moral because they are designed to save lives by ending the lives of those that would murder them. We could make the same claims about state sanctioned executions of murderers.

In the act of abortion, we are always killing an innocent human being in the womb, virtually never to save a life, but purely because that innocent human being is incovenient for a host of reasons; and because the two people involved in creating that child were irresponsible. No matter how soon after comception, it is still murder, still immoral and still a stain upon our society.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

So neiman do you want all the boys in the school to have the hooker’s (I mean teacher’s) conviction records.

That’ll engender a lot of in-school respect.

BTW, do you think it’s fair to hold people who work with children to very high standards, unless they were a hooker?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Sparkie: I don’t dehumanize the terrorists; I want to kill them before they kill me or my family and friends.  Understand?  If you want to go off on one of your sophist mumbo-jumbo rants about the morality of self-defense, go right ahead, but nobody is interested.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

If Sparkie was right we would have carpet bombed Fallujah and any other terrorists strongpoints.

But we didn’t.

Sparkie’s probably just too dumb to realize this.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

At 6 weeks those 2 cells, fetus, or what ever you want to call it has a heart beat…

Bat
This responce was weak. Also, I can tell since all of you (TW, r108, dd, neiman(didn’t even read that one - God,God,Jesus,God), proof, and bat) sounded off on this one that I hit a nerve. Feeling a little hypocritical guys? CP, when infallible, is murder. Civilian victims in this war ARE NOT MORALLY KILLED. Period. End of story. So, if we can explain away immoral killing with this excuse or that, why not do it with abortion. I don’t want to hear any of this, “let them meet god so he can decide” bullshit - seriously that is such a crap line and it does nothing to address the fact that CP and civilian casualties in a war for nothing (you guys are so full of shit when you justify that war, i love it) are immoral.

Duh, its the enemy that operates hiding behind civilians.  The same civilians that they are or will oppress.

The enemy is to blame for citizen casualties.

You’re such knob sparkie.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Sparkie,

(With your kind permission, Whistler)

Huh???

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Sparkie,

I suggest you back off the Starbucks just a bit.  That’s about the most convoluted attempt at written communication you’ve ever offered here.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Civilian victims in this war ARE NOT MORALLY KILLED. Period. End of story.

And where is your proof, oh sparkless one, that we are intentionally targeting (hence immorally killing) civilians? Put up, or shut up!

From General Petraeus:

We are, indeed, warriors. We train to kill our enemies. We are engaged in combat, we must pursue the enemy relentlessly, and we must be violent at times. What sets us apart from our enemies in this fight, however, is how we behave. In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect. While we are warriors, we are also all human beings.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

At 6 weeks those 2 cells, fetus, or what ever you want to call it has a heart beat…

After 6 weeks, there are a lot more than two cells, but even the two cells, right after conception, contain a unique human DNA profile.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Robert108...Usually abortions are not given at conception. BUT you are exactly right about the dna. Abotion advocates don’t seem to care if the baby’s development is 1 week or 9 months though.

Abotion advocates don’t seem to care if the
baby’s development is 1 week or 9 months though.

That was my point.  The “clump of cells” meme is total crap.  Anything with human DNA is human, by definition.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

What I wonder is HOW can abortionists not care???

ZZ: Follow the money.  When the lefties demonize big corps, they always ignore the big abortion providing corps, and Planned Parenthood, of course.  There’s gold in them thar dead human fetuses.  They also dehumanize them by referring to them as either “a clump of cells” or “fetuses"(without the “human” qualifier) in order to convince themselves that they aren’t killing babies.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Robert108...How true. Money is what the abortionist’s thrive on. They are so eager to get their mitts on Fed. Gov. funds! What a HUGE mistake that will be.

ZZ:  This strategy has been repeated over and over again by the lefties.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.