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	<title>Comments on: Conrad/Dorgan Vote For Gay Marriage</title>
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		<title>By: Justin B</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173748</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the Defense of Marriage Act already cover the ground of the Constitutional Amendment?  Why not let the DOMA play out to the SCOTUS and let them set precedent by upholding the provision that states that individual states do not have to recognize a marriage that violates their state law?

I don&#039;t know why Dorgan or Conrad should tell Massachusetts what to do.  Just make sure individual states have the right to define what constitutes a marriage within their state.  DOMA did that.

What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can&#039;t do.  On principle, I believe the Tenth Amendment was intended purely to not do that.  As long as the DOMA exempts states from having to honor a Mass marriage under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, let Mass do whatever their voters decide.  But the voters in damned near every other state have spoken and if gay marriage and abortion on demand are what Mass wants, it sends a stark picture of what the Democratic Party is all about.  That is more valuable for national politics than trying to get Mass to stop marrying gays.

And if the issue mattered enough to people, Dorgan and Conrad would not be in the Senate, but they are, meaning something else takes precedence for the people of ND.  When ND sends them packing, get back to me on the outrage that people show on Gay Marriage.  About the time the SCOTUS forces states to honor Mass&#039;s marriages and offer gay marriages themselves or voters care enough to send incumbents who voted against it packing, the Federal Amendment will get passed.  Until then, it is unnecessary and people just don&#039;t care enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the Defense of Marriage Act already cover the ground of the Constitutional Amendment?  Why not let the DOMA play out to the SCOTUS and let them set precedent by upholding the provision that states that individual states do not have to recognize a marriage that violates their state law?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why Dorgan or Conrad should tell Massachusetts what to do.  Just make sure individual states have the right to define what constitutes a marriage within their state.  DOMA did that.</p>
<p>What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can&#8217;t do.  On principle, I believe the Tenth Amendment was intended purely to not do that.  As long as the DOMA exempts states from having to honor a Mass marriage under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, let Mass do whatever their voters decide.  But the voters in damned near every other state have spoken and if gay marriage and abortion on demand are what Mass wants, it sends a stark picture of what the Democratic Party is all about.  That is more valuable for national politics than trying to get Mass to stop marrying gays.</p>
<p>And if the issue mattered enough to people, Dorgan and Conrad would not be in the Senate, but they are, meaning something else takes precedence for the people of ND.  When ND sends them packing, get back to me on the outrage that people show on Gay Marriage.  About the time the SCOTUS forces states to honor Mass&#8217;s marriages and offer gay marriages themselves or voters care enough to send incumbents who voted against it packing, the Federal Amendment will get passed.  Until then, it is unnecessary and people just don&#8217;t care enough.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173749</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the concern is that a federal judge can ignore the wishes of the states that have banned gay marriage.  In fact I think they have.

On the other hand it&#039;ll be hard for a judge to ignore the defense of marriage to the US Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the concern is that a federal judge can ignore the wishes of the states that have banned gay marriage.  In fact I think they have.</p>
<p>On the other hand it&#8217;ll be hard for a judge to ignore the defense of marriage to the US Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173750</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad don&#039;t understand that they are in the Senate to represent their constituents rather than the Democratic party. But it isn&#039;t new now, so why do they keep getting voted into the Senate? Just because they have high positions and help farmers out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad don&#8217;t understand that they are in the Senate to represent their constituents rather than the Democratic party. But it isn&#8217;t new now, so why do they keep getting voted into the Senate? Just because they have high positions and help farmers out?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an issue that&#039;s not complicated where they should have listened.  

Hopefully we can make the voters realize the disrespect we&#039;re getting out of Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an issue that&#8217;s not complicated where they should have listened.  </p>
<p>Hopefully we can make the voters realize the disrespect we&#8217;re getting out of Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: Sphagnum</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173752</link>
		<dc:creator>Sphagnum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other, other hand, we do live in a republic in which we elect representatives to make their best judgments, not necessarily what 51+% of their constituents want.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly.  I don&#039;t think the point of the post is to say they aren&#039;t doing their jobs but maybe to suggest they aren&#039;t the best representitives for their state. Something the voters need to keep in mind next election cycle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On the other, other hand, we do live in a republic in which we elect representatives to make their best judgments, not necessarily what 51+% of their constituents want.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly.  I don&#8217;t think the point of the post is to say they aren&#8217;t doing their jobs but maybe to suggest they aren&#8217;t the best representitives for their state. Something the voters need to keep in mind next election cycle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonomisly</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173753</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonomisly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i will get on reading but can you please answer the following question for me: 


how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will get on reading but can you please answer the following question for me: </p>
<p>how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?</p>
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		<title>By: likwidshoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>likwidshoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?&lt;/i&gt;

The House of Representatives are there to represent the state&#039;s constituents. The Senate is supposed to represent the state, not be another House of Representatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?</i></p>
<p>The House of Representatives are there to represent the state&#8217;s constituents. The Senate is supposed to represent the state, not be another House of Representatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonomisly</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173755</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonomisly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>docdave, I&#039;m really interested on your reasoning why having the state legislatures selecting Senators would better insure they represent their contituents. Wouldn&#039;t that be better guaranteed by the constituents directly choosing their Senetors, as oppose to indirectly through their state legislatures?

...having the state legislatures select for the contituents (as oppose to the contituents doing it themself...

And wouldn&#039;t gerrymandering entering into the choosing of our Senators distort it even more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>docdave, I&#8217;m really interested on your reasoning why having the state legislatures selecting Senators would better insure they represent their contituents. Wouldn&#8217;t that be better guaranteed by the constituents directly choosing their Senetors, as oppose to indirectly through their state legislatures?</p>
<p>&#8230;having the state legislatures select for the contituents (as oppose to the contituents doing it themself&#8230;</p>
<p>And wouldn&#8217;t gerrymandering entering into the choosing of our Senators distort it even more?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonomisly</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/conrad_dorgan_vote_for_gay_marriage/#comment-173756</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonomisly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think direct selection by voters would be a better guaranteed, but I&#039;m open minded and  anxious to know what the reasoning behind comment is. 

Come on, DD! spill it --the suspence is killing me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think direct selection by voters would be a better guaranteed, but I&#8217;m open minded and  anxious to know what the reasoning behind comment is. </p>
<p>Come on, DD! spill it &#8211;the suspence is killing me!</p>
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		<title>By: robert108</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can&#039;t do.&quot;

Absolutely false.  The TMA codifies what the institution of marriage has always been throughout history:  A heterosexual institution.  It is also the will of the vast majority of Americans, and probably the vast majority of people in the world.  I know that 1.5 billion Muslims agree that marriage is exclusively heterosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can&#8217;t do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely false.  The TMA codifies what the institution of marriage has always been throughout history:  A heterosexual institution.  It is also the will of the vast majority of Americans, and probably the vast majority of people in the world.  I know that 1.5 billion Muslims agree that marriage is exclusively heterosexual.</p>
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