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Thursday, August 23, 2007

Company Invents “Safe Table” To Help You Protect Yourself From Home Invaders

Interesting concept...

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...but I’m already pretty satisfied with my two-part home defense system.  I’ve got one of these on the doors:

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And one of these in the nightstand:

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A lot of people like to go with a more compact, lighter handgun for personal and home protection, but there’s something about the tried and true Smith & Wesson .357 that makes me feel safe.

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A lot of people like to go with a more compact, lighter handgun for personal and home protection, but there’s something about the tried and true Smith & Wesson .357 that makes me feel safe.

Yeh, staring down its barrel it looks like a small cannon which can induce instant respect.  Didn’t Clint Eastwood weild such a weapon in the Dirty Harry movies?

I only have 9mm handguns and a mean mother of a 12 gauge semi shotgun and I would certainly take those over a “safe table”.  [What do you think the criminal would be doing while you’re trying to disassemble the table?  Having a cup of tea?]


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on August 23, 2007 at 12:27 pm

Bats work pretty well too, probably better at close quarters in a fight, especially if you’re trained to use them.  Also they’re a hell of a lot safer to keep by your bed than your gun, which your kids could potentially tamper with, or the burglar could even pick up and use on you (if you’re a deep sleeper that is).

Carrick on August 23, 2007 at 12:45 pm

Bats work pretty well too, probably better at close quarters in a fight,

Pardon me!!! I’m 150 lbs soaken wet and I’m going after a 200+ pounder with a bat???  Surely you jest.

Thank you but I’ll take my chances with my firearm which for me will be better than any other defense instrument (except a small nuke)..


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on August 23, 2007 at 12:58 pm

Ah a small nuke.  Your neighborhoods never as secure if you don’t have a credible deterrent.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on August 23, 2007 at 01:14 pm

Bats work pretty well too, probably better at close quarters in a fight

How close are you talking about here?  Have you ever tried to swing a bat that is at a foot or less away from you?  You can’t get enough leverage at close distances to do any damage.  Now try swinging that bat at something 5+ feet away from you.  Not very effective then is it?

A hand gun, on the other hand, will work on an attacker at anywhere from 0 to 15 feet easily.  Beyond 15 feet, most people would need regular target practice to be deadly, but even someone who never practices will scare the piss out of an intruder by just shooting in their general direction.  At closer quarters, say point blank range, even someone who has never wielded a gun in their life can hit the intruder.  Just be prepared to put out the resulting flames on their clothing.

Also they’re a hell of a lot safer to keep by your bed than your gun, which your kids could potentially tamper with

My kids can also tamper with the saw in my garage, any electrical socket in the house, the oven, the microwave, the hair dryer near the bath tub, the steak knives in the kitchen, the cleaning supplies in the utility closet, the vacuum cleaner, the blender, the food processor, et cetera.  They can even hurt themselves or their friends with your precious baseball bat.  What keeps them from doing that is 1) constant adult supervision and 2) good parenting, meaning my wife and I have taught them and continue to teach them how to behave in a safe and responsible manner.

kbiel on August 23, 2007 at 01:16 pm
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Just buy yourself a cool 50 caliber assault riffle, one
pull of the trigger and you’ll be sure to make them wet themselves. You might have some repairing to do, but it would be worth it.

A home is never secure without a gun.

WETBACK on August 23, 2007 at 02:42 pm
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Also they’re a hell of a lot safer to keep by your bed than your gun, which your kids could potentially tamper with, or the burglar could even pick up and use on you

Yeah, having a burglar pick up the bat and use it on me would be so much better. Also, I don’t know how I’d fit a baseball bat into the pistol safe next to my bed.

I also get a kick out this response from the anti-gun folks:

“You shouldn’t keep a gun in your house, because you’ll never be able to get to it in time to be of any use.”

Of course, these same people would have you believe the intruder will politely wait for you to take your table apart and get your Gimli costume on.

Bruce on August 23, 2007 at 02:45 pm
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Ah a small nuke.  Your neighborhoods never as secure if you don’t have a credible deterrent.

I agree.

I’m sure my local neighborhood watch would appreciate my embrace of a “MAD” policy.


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Just buy yourself a cool 50 caliber assault riffle (sic)

One doesn’t just buy an “assault rifle”! Assault rifles are capable of selective fire, and thus, to own one, you would need a Federal Firearms License (FFL). Plus, I don’t know of anyone who makes a “.50 cal assault rifle”. Do you?
Just another area where you just have no expertise and no idea what you’re talking about!
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Proof on August 23, 2007 at 03:56 pm
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The Assault Rifle ban has been lifted of course without the bayonet or some other accessories. Automatic weapons are still illegal though. But Semi is all good.

But the 50cal I believe is the highest caliber that can be legally owned. It’s expensive to shoot but hell it’s probably a whole lot of fun to shoot, but I did get to hold one.

http://www.barrettrifles.com/

WETBACK on August 23, 2007 at 04:41 pm

Calibers larger than 50 cal are legal, just impracticable unless your hunting elephants.

Furthermore if you want a larger bore size shoot a slug out of your shotgun.

Plus, I don’t know of anyone who makes a “.50 cal assault rifle”.

I think that one feature of an assault rifle was a scaled down caliber such as the 7.62x 39 from the larger 30-06 or .308.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Assault Rifle ban has been lifted of course without the bayonet or some other accessories.

The “assault” rifle ban never banned a single “assault” rifle! They banned look-a-like semi-autos.

Automatic weapons are still illegal though.

No, they’re legal with an FFL. A good friend of mine owns a number of them! True assault rifles have selective fire.  “Selective” fire means you can select single shots or automatic bursts. These require an FFL.

But Semi is all good.

Yeah! Like you would know!

But the 50cal I believe is the highest caliber that can be legally owned

They make .50 cal handguns and .50 cal rifles, but not .50 cal assault rifles. But, you wouldn’t know that.

but I did get to hold one.

Whoop-ti-freaking-do! What does that make you? Sgt. York?? More like Pvt. Yorkie!



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Yorkie: Here’s something a bit more your speed!
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Proof on August 23, 2007 at 05:28 pm

Shame you’re going to have to empty that nightstand soon Rob—but dont you have a baby on the way?

And personally, I’d LOVE a Barrett50.  But I’d have to drive 3 states over to find a place I could try it out… rasberry

Now the S&W500… would make a nice little truck-gun wink


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Marty on August 23, 2007 at 05:58 pm

Nice thing about North Dakota you can shoot a long way without hitting a tree or hill.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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personally, I’d LOVE a Barrett .50

Me. too! But it ain’t an assault rifle!



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Proof on August 23, 2007 at 06:11 pm

But it ain’t an assault rifle!

So I’m a coward.  I’d much rather pop your noggin from 1000 yards than spray you from 50…

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Marty on August 23, 2007 at 06:22 pm
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Here I was under the impression that all semi-automatic weapons that looked like military weapons where banned, and when I goto Barrett Rifles sight and see the characteristics of the M107 being a semi-automatic rifle, I assumed it would be classified as one.

Anyway I would like to see all guns become available to the public without any type of license. And by the way I have one of the cork guns already, they are allot of fun.

We Yorkie’s have a very nice a shooting range in Calverton.

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I’d much rather pop your noggin from 1000 yards than spray you from 50…

I suspect that I could trust you(as opposed to the yorkie) to know which end the round comes out!


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Proof on August 23, 2007 at 06:35 pm

Just get a gunvault (gunvault.com) to keep the hand cannon in.  That way when there are kids in the house, you have the defensive handgun close at hand, available for quick access, and secure from curious little fingers.  I keep my Kimber .45 and a surefire light in one and it’s great.

jet5 on August 23, 2007 at 06:46 pm

I prefer a combination lock to keys.
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Proof, one has to be careful with those pop guns. If the string is too long it actually can fly back and put your eye out. Perhaps a cap gun would be more on WETBACKS skill level.


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Anna on August 23, 2007 at 06:55 pm
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Anna: Your a witty one aren’t ya?

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I prefer a combination lock to keys.

Anna: Gun vaults like the one in the picture have an electronic combination lock. (The keys are for a backup.)
As far as WETPANTS hurting himself, I would suggest a padded room with no sharp objects.
If he needs some ammunition, he can put a
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Proof on August 23, 2007 at 07:03 pm
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No Proof, He might swallow the cork and choke on it, beat you to it.

WETBACK on August 23, 2007 at 07:30 pm

kbiel:

How close are you talking about here?  Have you ever tried to swing a bat that is at a foot or less away from you?

I was referring to the bat shown in the picture of course.  Regular baseball bats are too heavy to be used in combat.

And yes, I can use one like the one above in close combat.  You strike with the hilt.

As to saws, you can unplug it, or turn off the breaker.  A loaded gun makes a lethal toy.  I lost a very good friend in fifth grade to one.

Carrick on August 23, 2007 at 07:41 pm

Oh.. I stand corrected on the safe and thank you for the info Proof. I, myself have a 5ft x 4ft Browning NRA Series with an old fashion vault combination. If someone breaks in they will just have to be patient while I attempt to recall the combo.


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Anna on August 23, 2007 at 07:43 pm

I like this idea… Why?  Because a capitalist entrepreneur is going to make money off of it.  Would I buy it?  No.  But there is a market out there for it, and people who CHOOSE to buy it will. (and people will choose to buy it)


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As a leader I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper training.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper logistical supplies.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers will survive the next mission.  Hope is not a method; I live in the real world.

Paulie B on August 23, 2007 at 08:11 pm

I have slept with a loaded handgun under my pillow for 21 years, never had an accident and used it 3 times on intruders while I lived in Atlanta. As for this bat-table idea, no thanks.

As for the Barrett .50, it is an excellent piece. Though I suggest the 20 inch barrel model, the 32 is a bit unwieldily and hard to move with. Technika makes a nice 12.7 Soviet cartridge rifle, M2 Gepard. I have only fired 20 rounds through one of those. And the Model 96 from the Czechs is nice, though it only has scope, no ironsights. SPAS in France makes a nice unit, too. Though it is a special order, not mass produced. I liked how the recoil was soaked up by the multiple spring action, though it takes 2 men and boy to chamber that first round.

And to the revolver debate. I prefer the Taurus .44, 4 inch barrel and running reverse loaded wadcutters. Just a giant hollow point.


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2Hotel9 on August 24, 2007 at 05:38 am

Black short nosed revolver, internal hammer.  No catching hammer on sheets.
Loaded, no “safety locks” to fumble around with as the intruder breaks in your house at night.  Point and shoot.  Simple.


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Chief RZ on August 24, 2007 at 05:39 am

Carrick,

And yes, I can use one like the one above in close combat.  You strike with the hilt.

And you strike again and again and hopefully you’ll do enough damage with one of those blows to disable your attacker.As to saws, you can unplug it, or turn off the breaker.

Are you suggesting that I should turn off the power to my whole house?  What about the other items mentioned?  Should I also turn off the breaker to my kitchen, there are lots of unsafe items there too.  Oh, and there are lots of electrical sockets in my house.  I guess I’ll just call the power company and cancel my account.

A loaded gun makes a lethal toy.  I lost a very good friend in fifth grade to one.

That doesn’t make you right, it just makes you emotional instead of reasonable.

kbiel on August 24, 2007 at 07:08 am

Chief, used to be a Webley .38, Tanker Model. Then, 6 years ago, I joined the 20th century and got a semi-auto. Walther, P-1, the grandaddy of “safe” to carry auto loader pistols. Run 167gr jacketed-hollowpoints. Nice rounded shoulder, feeds clean. Once they are not available I’ll have to switch to a Glock, they eat anything.


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2Hotel9 on August 24, 2007 at 05:21 pm

kbiel, in the non-gun self defense category I always go with edged steel. Nothing fucks up a criminal scumbag’s plans more than 4” of razor-edged knife out of the dark. Totally discombobulates them.


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2Hotel9 on August 24, 2007 at 05:25 pm

kbiel, this is turning into a silly argument.  Let me clout you in the face with the grip end of a combat baton, and we’ll see if I need to try a second blow.  For grappling, 2Hotel9 is correct though, a sharpened edge certainly is a better choice…

As to the threat of wall power, I’ve never heard of a case where anybody actually died from putting their finger in an outlet. 

That doesn’t make you right, it just makes you emotional instead of reasonable.

It doesn’t make me right about exactly what?  I have no idea what you’re even trying to say anymore.

Carrick on August 25, 2007 at 11:03 am
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