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Sunday, July 31, 2005

Communication Breakdown

Patrick Ruffini on stem cell research:

...if the issue were explained correctly, there would no reason for any serious libertarian or economic conservative to split from the social conservatives, because the issue at stake is not stem cell research, but taxpayer subsidies. The President does not sit in the Oval Office and define the limit and extent of stem cell research. What we're sitting here debating is the esoteric abstraction of "Who pays?" And it is disconcerting to see libertarians rushing to a pro-the-government-spending-money position.


Read the whole thing.

He makes a good point, but I wonder if many social conservatives aren't clinging to the government subsidy angle as a way to bring the more libertarian-minded on the right back into the anti-stem cell fold. Were this a question of government subsidies for religious charities, for instance, would the talking points change?

I'm pretty sure they would.

In a recent reader-submitted post here on Say Anything we discussed this topic pretty throughly. I tend to be a fairly libertarian minded person but have come to the conclusion that a certain amount of government sponsored scientific research is a healthy thing for our society. Private interests investing in research tend to do so, mostly, because they see a profit resulting from that research. Not all research, however, can be immediately profitable (stem cells would seem to fall into this category) and thus certain types of research that could result in wonderful medical or technological breakthroughs go underfunded. Allowing the government to produce funding in situations like these isn't such a bad thing.

There's always a risk, of course, of politicians funding "pet" research projects touted by lobbyists over more necessary or important research, but that goes to the larger problem of our government's spending habits in general, which is a subject for another day.

In short, I don't see government subsidies really being an issue at the heart of this matter. I still believe this is a moral values debate, though as a staunch pro-life advocate on the abortion issue I'm still not understanding the pro-life argument against stem cells.

Update:

More discussion on the pro-life angle here.

I believe that abortion is murder, but I don't believe that taking stem cells from an embryo is equivalent to an abortion. Embryos being washed from a woman's body prior to implantation is a common occurance. In many situations it happens without the woman even knowing about it. We certainly don't morn the loss of those embryos, so how can we say that killing an embryo is equivalent to killing a life?

Were we talking about removing an implanted embryo from a woman's body for experimentation I'd feel differently, but we're not. So I don't.

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In mathematical terms it would mean a power equation like so:

GOVT POWER IN DISTRIBUTION OF CURRENT AVAILABLE FED FUNDS BASED ON MINORITY POLITICAL CONCERNS + GOVT POWER OVER POTENTIAL DISTRIBUTION OF SAID FUNDS FOR E STEM CELL RESEARCH = 0

I don’t really thing that the two are exactly equivalent, as more power is exercised by the govt via funding, but this frames how it’s not an issue that’s fundamentally incompatible with a small “l” libertarian/libertarian-leaning moderate Republican that supports biological advancement.

Bill from INDC on July 31, 2005 at 08:07 am
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Well...I didn’t use mathematical expressions, but that’s the same conclusion I reached as well.  A certain amount of government-sponsored medical research is good for America.  Period.  The subsidies angle is a ruse meant to suck some libertarians into the social conservative fold on this issue.

That being said, though my feelings on abortion tend to line up with the social conservatives, I don’t think stem cell research can be compared to the abortion issue.  An embryo that is not implanted inside the mother is not yet a life, just as a seed not planted in the ground is not yet a plant.


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Rob on July 31, 2005 at 08:08 am
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Hey. The Libertarian angle Ruffini mentions doesn’t fly with me, as talking about eligibility for federal funding doesn’t increase the total amount of fed funding for med research, and the reality of the medical research community is that our country’s efforts are realistically dependent on federal funding for basic research.

Thus, to me, it’s sort of a “‘small l’ libertarian wash.”

Bill from INDC on July 31, 2005 at 08:08 am
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Thanks.  Its a beauty.


The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob on July 31, 2005 at 09:07 am
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Very reasonable.

Nice picture, btw.

Bill from INDC on July 31, 2005 at 09:07 am
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