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Yeah because all of the Liberal Refuse will eventually retire and make way for more open minded professors.

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Not a moment too soon, and probably too late for far too many.  I know of people who could have had lovely academic or research careers who were driven out of their fields because they didn’t want to toe the PC line.  My own institution has speech codes that clearly and openly violate the civil rights and beliefs of attendees.  Just today, I sat through a tirade against Bush and Iraq, probably the 10th one for this course in… wait for it… Biblical Interpretation. 

Nothing, in my opinion, absent a clear conservative revolution in America, will ever make any discernable change in the extremne left wing nature of virtually all our places of education from pre-school to graduate schools. It is at the heart of academia, it is the core of our educatioal system and that will not be changed by anyone.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

A bunch of friends got together for dinner and one brought a coworker who was a history professor at my college.  She is quite intelligent, having written a few books on women in history including Eleanor Roosevelt and First Ladies.

During dinner she actually called Ronald Reagan “the devil—the Antichrist—the most evil man the world has known!”  She was literally foaming at the mouth as she strained to restrain the venom.

A ‘debate’ ensued but the whole time I kept thinking that her students could never get an accurate understanding of history.  It made me wonder if her presence at that school actually caused my degree to depreciate in value.
David

OH goodie, maybe now they will stop teaching the scientifically sound Theory of Evolution and start teaching Creationism lol!

While they are at it they should get rid of the “liberal” science of geology.  Anything that offers proof that the Earth is billions of years old can’t be right…

OH goodie, maybe now they will stop teaching the scientifically sound Theory of Evolution and start teaching Creationism lol!

While they are at it they should get rid of the “liberal” science of geology.  Anything that offers proof that the Earth is billions of years old can’t be right…

You are engaging in deliberate, liberal obfuscation in order to change the subject of the thread into an attack upon Christians, which beliefs were not part of this issue. This is wholly dishonest!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Many hid there to avoid the draft and justify their decisions.  The figure .02 for Air America’s listenership says it all.  Liberals live in a virtual cave of a tiny minority of people who think like they do.  Can you imagine:  about 300,000 out of 300,000,000 million people in the USA.  That is about 1% or less.  Talk about dancing on the head of a needle.

Communism is evil

Tell me whats liberal about the Theory of Evolution and Geology. Both are subjects christians and the religious right do not “trust” or wholly refuse to accept although mounds of empirical evidence prove them to be correct.

Liberals live in a virtual cave of a tiny minority of people who think like they do.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Tell me whats liberal about the Theory of Evolution and Geology. Both are subjects christians and the religious right do not “trust” or wholly refuse to accept although mounds of empirical evidence prove them to be correct.

1) This thread is not about Christianity on the Campus or in academia, you are trying to drag it there because you cannot defend the idea that virtually all of our education system is extremely liberal and atacking the Church is a favorite target of liberals.

2) No, mounds of evidence do not prove Darwinian Evolution of the human species to be correct at all; you believe that because your liberal professors and liberal scientists, needing their careers to advance, have promoted the secular humanist religion of Evolutuion and you buy into it without questioning the data.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Liberals live in a virtual cave of a tiny minority of people who think like they do. 

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Liberals live in a virtual cave of a tiny minority of people who think like they do.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

empirical evidence: Based on observation or experiment. Where can you observe evolution of the species still taking place today? How can you by experiments prove evolution, which by definition requires millions or billions of years to take place? Evolution cannot be observed or replicated by experiment, it is a faith based religion.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Liberals live in a virtual cave of a tiny minority of people who think like they do.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Neiman, religion is a faith based religion.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Neiman, religion is a faith based religion.

How inane! How utterly vacuous! Of course, this could be said about virtually al your comments! A waste of time and it speaks volumes about your absence of intellect!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

I love you Neiman.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Theory of Evolution are subjects christians and the religious right do not “trust” or wholly refuse to accept although mounds of empirical evidence prove them to be correct.

So now we have discovered Evolution to be a exact science?
Since when, I was under the understanding that it was still a theory, hence the name theory of evolution.

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Since when, I was under the understanding that it was still a theory, hence the name theory of evolution.

You obviously are not science minded.  Have you ever heard of the “Theory of Special Relativity” or the “Theory of General Relativity”? Or Newtons Theories of Gravity?

In the scientific world, something that is labeled a theory has mounds of evidence supporting all of the theories hypothesis.  A theory is a collection of hypothesis which have been shown to be robust in their power to explain events in the natural world through experimentation. 

You are confusing the words hypothesis and theory.  The media treats theories and hypotheses to be equal when they are not.  The term “Law” is not in use in modern science because technically nothing in the scientific world can be proven due to random error in measurements, which can not be avoided.  The word Theory has taken the place of the antiquated word Law.  If Newton has “proven” his hypothesis on gravitation using today’s usage of the words they would be called Newton’s Theory of Graviation.

As far as evolution goes the evidence is there for anyone to see.  Human beings, trees, bugs, birds and every other form of life on this bacteria all the way to the bacteria climbing on your skin share the same exact nucleotide sequences that code for proteins. We are all related.  This is just one example of data that helps explain Evolution.

The religious right prefers another method of explaining Evolution. “God did it.” And with their explanation they offer absolutely no proof, evidence, or experimental results.

“We also share about 50% of our DNA with bananas and that doesn’t make us half bananas, either from the waist up or the waist down.” [1]

Steve Jones
Scientist, Evolutionist

An exceptional quote to begin with, revealing that specific, pinpointed similarities between two separate species can mean very little. Baboons, according to research, share 90% of their DNA with human beings. Does this, therefore, make them 90% human? The answer, in light of this quote, is absolutely not. Dr. Barney Maddox, a leading genetic genome researcher, also noted concerning man/monkey genetic differences:

“Now the genetic difference between human and his nearest relative, the chimpanzee, is at least 1.6%. That doesn’t sound like much, but calculated out, that is a gap of at least 48,000,000 nucleotides, and a change of only 3 nucleotides is fatal to an animal; there is no possibility of change.”

Human Genome Project, Quantitative A Disproof of Evolution, CEM facts sheet. Cited in Doubts about Evolution?

And as a writer for the Smithsonian concedes: “just a few percentage points can translate into vast, unbridgeable gaps between species.” [2]

Simply stated, if we were to take this idea of similarities to determine which animal is most like us, we would come up with dire results. Take, for instance, our number of chromosomes (46). Two of our closest ancestors would be the tobacco plant (48) and the bat (44). Furthermore, because the chromosomes in living matter are one of the most complex bits of matter in the known universe, it would seem logical to assume that organisms with the least number of chromosomes are the end result of millions of years of evolution experimenting to increase complexity in living organisms. Therefore, this would reveal that we started from penicillium with only 2 chromosomes, and slowly evolved into fruit flies (8), and after many more millions of years we became tomatoes (12), and so on, until we reached the human stage of 46 chromosomes. Millions of years from now, if we’re fortunate, we may become the ultimate life form, a fern, with a total of 480 chromosomes.

Evolution requires more blind faith than can be said of Special Divine Creation. Evolution is a religion, it is biased science with so many faults that any credible evolutionary scientist must admit the data favors Special Creation. Sorry CatMeow, Evolution is not observable/measureable going on today and since evolution requires vasts amounts of time it cannot be subject to expirimental proof.

Congratulations, you have totally avoided the subject of this thread like any good little, card carrying liberal!

http://www.trueauthority.com/cvse/monkeybusiness.htm

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Evolution is a religion, it is biased science with so many faults that any credible evolutionary scientist must admit the data favors Special Creation.

That is just a stupid statement.  There is no evidence for “Special Creation”.  Even if evolution is incorrect that isn’t a proof of “Special Creation”.  It is not a binary system.  When you mention evolution you act like it is just one singular theory.  There are numerous different theories encompassed by that term.

The term “Law” is not in use in modern science because technically nothing in the scientific world can be proven due to random error in measurements, which can not be avoided.

If you are speaking of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle you are wrong.  It has nothing to do with measurements.  If you are not speaking of HUP, I am still not sure I agree with you based on your measurement reasoning.  I believe it is more because everything is just so complex that even the best “law” is just a model of reality.  Newton’s 3 laws of motion fall apart at the quantum level.  The law of gravity is barely understood at all.  The Quantum Electromagnetic Theory is one of the most successful theory of all time based on testing, and it is virtually incomprehensible.

The theory of evolution is more akin to music theory or computer theory - it doesn’t mean a hard and fast law.

and that doesn’t mean it isn’t proven.

Theory means there is proof!

In a sense. But evidence can be misinterpretted. One only has to look at the highly politicized theories of the past: Global Warming/Cooling, Embyonic Stem Cells, Gender Studies, etc that all proved to be wrong to see why saying something is “proven science” just doesn’t cut it anymore.

Evolution is deeply unscientific in that it demands that we “accept the word” of scientists instead of testing the evidence ourselves. Hell, scientists still test GRAVITY.

As far as evolution goes the evidence is there for anyone to see.  Human beings, trees, bugs, birds and every other form of life on this bacteria all the way to the bacteria climbing on your skin share the same exact nucleotide sequences that code for proteins. We are all related.  This is just one example of data that helps explain Evolution.

That isn’t evidence of evolution. It’s like saying cars and sheds are both made of metal, therefore they’re related.

It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Evolution requires more blind faith than can be said of Special Divine Creation.—Nieman

Wow, this guy is a nut. Huge numbers of fossils, accurate models for predicting the evolution of viruses, observed evolution both in and out of the lab, and other evidence vs. one silly book?

“Keynes had located the fundamental defect of the free market system in its incapacity to distinguish between `speculation’ and `enterprise.’ Hence, it had a tendency to be dominated by speculators, interested not in the long-term yield on assets but only in the short-term appreciation in asset values. Their whims and caprices, causing sharp swings in asset prices, determined the magnitude of productive investment and, therefore, the level of aggregate demand, employment and output in the economy. The real lives of millions of people were determined by the whims of ‘a bunch of speculators’ under the free market system.”—Prabhat Patnaik

That is just a stupid statement.  There is no evidence for “Special Creation.”

Nonsense, it is the exact same scientific data used by evolutionists, but its existence is best explained by Special Creation versus the silliness of random mutations over time that, without intelligent direction, is impossible, it cannot happen (Sir Fred Doyle, British Astronomer).

”...‘creation’ in the ordinary sense of the word, is perfectly conceivable. I find no difficulty conceiving that, at some former period, this universe was not in existence; and that it made its appearance in six days . . . in consequence of the volition of some pre-existing Being.”
Thomas Huxley, probably more repomisible than any other man for the acceptance of Darwinian philosophy.

I can supply similar statements by world recognized, highly reputable evolutionary scientists from nearly every discipline. The fact is, evolution is a faith based religion, wherein observable scientific data is made to fit within that nonsensical life model; while Special Creation too is a faith based religion, wherein observable scientific data are predicted and fits more easily into that life model than does evolution.

If evolution is true, it should be occurring today, but it operates too slowly to be measureable, and, therefore, is outside the realm of empirical science. Evolution is a theory which incorporates everything and thus explains nothing. It is tautologous!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

In a sense. But evidence can be misinterpretted. One only has to look at the highly politicized theories of the past: Global Warming/Cooling, Embyonic Stem Cells, Gender Studies, etc that all proved to be wrong to see why saying something is “proven science” just doesn’t cut it anymore.

For one thing the value of Embryonic Stem Cells has not been “proved to be wrong.”  The only thing that has been shown is that they are difficult to work with, which nobody ever denied. 

Also to say that evolution is untested is inaccurate.  Just because by it’s nature it can’t be proven in an afternoon in a lab doesn’t mean there is no evidence.  There is plenty of evidence.  Is it a perfect theory that explains everything?  No, but nothing else is either.  That is why scientist still study it.

How come can predict the evolution of viruses with pretty good accuracy then Nieman?

Answer that genius.

“Keynes had located the fundamental defect of the free market system in its incapacity to distinguish between `speculation’ and `enterprise.’ Hence, it had a tendency to be dominated by speculators, interested not in the long-term yield on assets but only in the short-term appreciation in asset values. Their whims and caprices, causing sharp swings in asset prices, determined the magnitude of productive investment and, therefore, the level of aggregate demand, employment and output in the economy. The real lives of millions of people were determined by the whims of ‘a bunch of speculators’ under the free market system.”—Prabhat Patnaik

Lestat: Evolution is essentially “the change in the frequency of alleles, within a population, over successive generations”, which can most definitely be demonstrated in the lab.

“Keynes had located the fundamental defect of the free market system in its incapacity to distinguish between `speculation’ and `enterprise.’ Hence, it had a tendency to be dominated by speculators, interested not in the long-term yield on assets but only in the short-term appreciation in asset values. Their whims and caprices, causing sharp swings in asset prices, determined the magnitude of productive investment and, therefore, the level of aggregate demand, employment and output in the economy. The real lives of millions of people were determined by the whims of ‘a bunch of speculators’ under the free market system.”—Prabhat Patnaik

Nieman,for Special Creation to be a valid scientific theory it must predict something.  What does it predict?

Even if you could 100% disprove evolution, that is not prove Special Creation.

Your whole argument boils down to “I don’t understand, there must be God.”  Perfectly good metaphysical theory, not scientific.

Lestat we get it; your a lefty that believes in Evolution, that being said it is a theory, hence the theory of Evolution. I do not believe that we evolved from Apes.

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I do not believe that we evolved from Apes.

Neither do evolutionists.  They believe we both evolved from a common ancestor.  The theory does not say that humans evolved while everything else remained static.

Goon, hate to break it to you, but we are apes, Dubya included.

“Keynes had located the fundamental defect of the free market system in its incapacity to distinguish between `speculation’ and `enterprise.’ Hence, it had a tendency to be dominated by speculators, interested not in the long-term yield on assets but only in the short-term appreciation in asset values. Their whims and caprices, causing sharp swings in asset prices, determined the magnitude of productive investment and, therefore, the level of aggregate demand, employment and output in the economy. The real lives of millions of people were determined by the whims of ‘a bunch of speculators’ under the free market system.”—Prabhat Patnaik

I just want to point out that a theory amounts to the lack of proof contrary to the theory not proof in and of its self.

Donovan

For one thing the value of Embryonic Stem Cells has not been “proved to be wrong.” The only thing that has been shown is that they are difficult to work with, which nobody ever denied.

When you test something for decades with hundreds of millions of dollars, and federal funds, and produce nothing but tumors…while a similar field produces results…yes, that proves your endevour useless.

Shrug, you refusing to denoy the obvious doesn’t make it less obvious.
 

Also to say that evolution is untested is inaccurate.  Just because by it’s nature it can’t be proven in an afternoon in a lab doesn’t mean there is no evidence.  There is plenty of evidence.  Is it a perfect theory that explains everything?  No, but nothing else is either.  That is why scientist still study it.

NIFTY. You completely ignored what I said, twisted it, and basically said what I said, but used it to bolster your case. Evolutionary science is very much a “take our word for it” endevour. We still test penicillin to make sure it still works, routinely test gravity to make sure what we know is still right, etc…but those who question evolution are “flat earthers”. The very basis of science is to take nothing for granted, and to ask questions…yet not about evolution. Hence why it’s un scientific.

There’s indeed some evidence to support evolution. But it’s weak. Bacteria mutate…into other bacteria. Finches beaks change…but they’re still finches.

It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

The theory does not say that humans evolved while everything else remained static.

However, that is the truth.  Apes have remained static, while humans continue to evolve.  We have the ability to contemplate the meaning of our own existence, and can therefore evolve in consciousness, so that we are quite able to transcend our physical limitations.  Apes are not able to do that.  Without their jungle, they go extinct.
If you drop a gorilla in the middle of Manhattan, it will perish unless humans take care of it.  A human dropped into the jungle will find a way to survive, mostly by making tools and applying knowledge to his new situation.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Lestat:
If I ever even intimated Special Creation could be proven, it was caused by imprecise language on my part, as it cannot be proven, neither can evolution; that is why, both are faith based explantions of the origins of life. Both are religious belief systems!

“The essential scientific question related to origins has simply to do with whether the evolution model or the creation model provides the more effective vehicle for correlating and predicting scientific facts of observation.”

“It may be noted that creationists maintain that the predictions of the creation model do fit the observed facts in nature better than do those of the evolution model. The data must be explained by the evolutionist, but they are predicted by the creationist.”

It is interesting to note that, in the forward to the most recent edition of Darwin’s Origin of the Species,” a leading British evolutionary biologist, Professor L. Harrison Matthews, F.R.S., recognizes that “Belief in evolution is thus exactly parallel to the belief in Special Creation - both are concepts which believers know to be true but neither, up to the present, has been able to prove.”

Because you have placed your faith in man and the theory of evolution, there is almost no chance that you would ever carefully, seriously, with an open mind investigate the basis for Special Creation as you could not face the idea that yours is a religion built upon false foundations. On the other hand, those that believe, have faith in, Special Creation are forced from 1st grade through graduate school and beyond to hear about the theory of evolution and we must therefore be able to defend that Life Model (origins) every day. Your side has closed the door in academia, in every scientific discipline, to any consideration of Special Creation, which is wholly contrary to any concept of honest scienctific investigation.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

neiman
your opinions about higher education have negative value. sell, sell before you loose more on that.

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Sparkless: Why? I have mostly quoted evolutionists that agree that evolution cannot be proven; and no one can dispute that no discussion of Special Creation is permitted in any school in this nation, nor that should anyone get permission to or on their own produce research against evolution or in support of Special Creation they could ever get published in any scientific journal, they would never get peer review of their research and their careers would be dead. To suggest anything else is dishonest in the extreme!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

...predicting scientific facts of
observation.

There’s the built-in bias, right there.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

There is no liberal bias in my challenge, bob. Why are you so afraid?