Just think Whistler, creating intimate bonding between the troops will create a Spartan-like fighting force! You have more, er, unit cohesion when it’s your lover being threatened.

Then you can send them on all sorts of mission around the world like you guys always wanted! It will be like a the gay cruise meets Operation America Everywhere!

Ever notice how all these retired generals and admirals all come forward – but only once they are out of uniform, and never when they are on active duty and it could jeopardize their next promotion or assignment?

It is illegal for them to speak out on active duty. They have taken an oath. The honorable ones are the ones who retire immediately for the specific purpose of speaking out.

I actually pity you sad little homos. So confused, so perverted, so dysfunctional, so narcissistic. Walking AIDS bombs. Very sad.

Robbie-stem is afraid of the big butch homos.

Dude, you really want to admit that in public?

More distraction from a serial cut and paste spammer/liar.

This policy doesn’t need to be rethinked, it needs to be ended. We hurt our readiness when we turn down qualified soldiers due to sexual orientation.

peaking from experience, we had a couple guys in my division that were gay (one openly and one speculatively).

You had a whole hell of alot more in your division than a couple, you just didn’t know. I knew officers, warrant officers, NCOs and enlisted who were gay and most of them were excellent soldiers. One was a squad leader in the scout platoon. That is one of the toughest jobs in the infantry and he was excellent at it.

I knew one person who told the 2ID CSM that he was gay and the response was “You are not leaving Korea until your tour is up.”

How about asking the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines how they feel rather than listening to some politician?

Frankly, I don’t care. If they don’t have bigger concerns than they aren’t being worked hard enough. But they have taken polls. Generally the younger generation doesn’t care. They know gay people and it isn’t a great shock to serve with them.

Dino said…

But when you limit others’ rights you are going beyond mere “resisting” and moving into “restricting”, something we free people don’t take kindly to.

Sexual behavior is not a ‘right’. It is a physiological function.

In truth, I have no problem with the private, consenting sexual behavior and relationships of any persons – including gays – provided that no harm is done to others.
I do not believe that private, safe, homosexual relationships harm others.

My objection – and that of most others – is to the political efforts made by homosexuals to legalize and legitimize a sexual life-style.

You know, as I know, that ‘gay marriage’ is an oxymoron, since homosexuality cannot reproduce itself. It is a biological ‘dead-end’.

A homosexual citizen enjoys every right afforded to a heterosexual citizen as provided for by the Constitution and law. However, respect for one’s behavior is not one of those rights.

I don’t think that the people pushing gays in the military have the best interests of the military at heart.

We need to find a way to transition to the point where gays can serve openly.

Why? How will that benefit anyone outside that small minority?
What is the cost of providing that benefit?

We hurt our readiness when we turn down qualified soldiers due to sexual orientation.

That’s your opinion. My opinion is that using the military to advance your social agenda hurts our readiness.

What we do know is that we can have the best military in the world without having gays serve openly.

How will that benefit anyone outside that small minority?

Homos will kill our enemies.

America will benefit.

What is the loss if we do provide that benefit? Less enrollment of “regular” folk?

Wrong question; when you want to make a major change in our military, you must provide a substantial reason for making that change. Nice dodge, though.

Again, it won’t win you any fans, but I’m impressed by your position on this.

Not that it’ll stop you from saying shit like:

Again, you people are OBSESSED with making sure no one gets a raise. Except for you.
Petty, small-minded and ignorant.

Or

But Ollie, the stems LIKE to see others do badly. It makes them feel better about their own lives. They live to have more more more and seeing others with less gives them the sense of prosperity that escapes them due to bad trickle down economics.

So, you may agree with him now, ut it won’t stop you from callin him all kinda of filthy names in the future, and wishing death and famine upon him.
What a jackass.

Good bye, good riddance, don’t let the electronic door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Paulie nails it. Politicians spew their usual stupidity and it has connection to reality.

” This nation was built upon the ideals of individuals, not on the complaints of the masses. ”

To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Robbie-stem, your obsession with me is getting a little, um, weird. I already have a partner.

No obsession, weirdo; just smacking your avalanche of lies with the truth. I do enjoy trollsmacking, though.

Lefties do tend to get violent when they don’t get their way.

Without policies like this in place, we will have soldiers beating and murdering gay and lesbian soldiers.

Judging by the violence perpetrated by the homos against Prop 8, the opposite might be more likely, but you make the point of excluding their behavior from the military, for morale purposes.

If this is forced on our military, the obvious solution is to combine the normal men with the homo women, and the homo men with the normal women. The normal men and the homo women can compare tatoos and swap war stories, and the homo men and normal women can talk about colors, patterns and clothes.
Only slightly sarcastic.

This would be a disaster for our military, which is undoubtedly the intended result, and has no parallel with racial discrimination at all.
Racial discrimination was based on skin color, and is a matter of education. Normal people not wanting to be in close proximity to homos is about hehavior, and requires coercion, not education.

I saw that. Decided to walk by that one.

And nice job cooking the fuse off that grenade at 4:16PM!

“I don’t understand why gay soldiers or sailors or Marines can’t live openly without fear of reprisal from their superiors.”
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DADT doesn’t just protect gay and lesbian servicemen from their supervisors, it protects them from fellow servicemen. Without policies like this in place, we will have soldiers beating and murdering gay and lesbian soldiers. It has happened before. I support gay and lesbians to serve in our military, but I realize that we cannot force people to accept a lifestyle that most do not agree with. Personally, I don’t agree with the lifestyle. But if this is what is needed to allow gays and lesbians to serve in our military, then I support it. I have never understood why their personal lives needed to be brought to work anyways. If you’re gay, fine. Keep your business to yourself.

Again, it won’t win you any fans, but I’m impressed by your position on this.

Oops. This”it has connection to reality.” is supposed to be “it has no connection to reality.”

Coffee was still brewing.

That gives you an indication of the sincerely of their remarks – said only when it is safe for them to do so.

Or only when they are looking for political patronage.

How about asking the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines how they feel rather than listening to some politician? I bet Powell felt differently about the subject as an LT in ‘Nam than he does now.

Your adolescent namecalling and lack of argument is noted.