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He said that he also finds Obama’s explanation for not wearing it, that he’s doing it to show that he doesn’t support the war in Iraq, pretty lame.

Hey Rob,

Care to prove a quote, ANY QUOTE, where Obama said he wouldnt wear the pin because he doesnt support the war in Iraq??

I am REALLY getting tired of your lack of adequate reading comprehension skills.  You are either a straight liar or you are stupid. 

Here are quite a few adequate reports on why he said he wont wear his pin (including FoxNews).  None of them suggest what you have.

It’s times like these I tend to want to knock you in that stupid fat head of yours.  Not because I can’t take a good argument.  But because you are a sheer lying propagandist.  I am convinced of it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3690000

“You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin,” Obama said. “Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8S2K3UO0&show_article=1

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299439,00.html

WATERLOO, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn’t wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for “true patriotism” since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/im_backing_hillary_for_preside.html

In explaining his position later, he said, “Somebody noticed I wasn’t wearing a flag label pin, and I told folks, well you know what? I haven’t probably worn that pin in a very long time. I wore it right after 9/11. But after a while, you start noticing people wearing a lapel pin, but not acting very patriotic. Not voting to provide veterans with resources that they need. Not voting to make sure that disability payments were coming out on time.”

Wearing a flag pin certainly does not make you more patriotic than someone who does not wear one. Senator John McCain, a genuine war hero, does not, according to the Daily News “wear a pin regularly.”

I don’t wear a flag pin and never have, but it is not because I think those who do are jingoists, but because I don’t wear pins, jewelry or rings. I don’t like to put holes in my clothing, so I rarely put on campaign buttons unless as happens, I am pressed by a candidate who I am supporting who insists on putting it on while I stand there fit to be tied, but unwilling to speak up so as not to embarrass him or her. I do wear a medical bracelet which gives my medical information - a stroke in 1987 and heart attack in 1999 and daily required doses of Coumadin, a blood thinner.

Maybe I should explain it to you, because you are THAT FUCKING STUPID.

When Obama is saying that people are substituting wearing the pin with real patriotism.  Particularly as people who argue for the war leverage their flag as a sign of patriotism but don’t act patriotic and therefore, he doesn’t need to act like one of those who wear in on their chest but not in their heart.

But after a while, you start noticing people wearing a lapel pin, but not acting very patriotic. Not voting to provide veterans with resources that they need. Not voting to make sure that disability payments were coming out on time.”

You and your father have it wrong.  It doesn’t matter how many medals he has on his chest when he goes about misquoting and misinterpreting his political opponents.

You can thank him for his service, but please ask him to re-read the quote.

Should read:  “What Obama is saying….”

I feel that he genuinely wants to do what is best for the country.  It’s just that he’s terribly, horribly misguided as to what that is.
Rob

That’s total B.S. Rob…he geninely wants to do what’s best for Barak & Company…and all of his fairy-tale [slick Willie’s term] socialist-utopian do-gooders…

What we hear from Obama is the eternal mantra of the socialists; America is broken, millions have no health care, families cannot afford necessities, the rich are evil, we are selfish, we are unhappy, unfulfilled, without hope, desperate, poverty stricken, morally desolate, corrupt and racist.

This nihilism is the lifeblood of all the democrat candidates, even “hope you can believe in” performers like Obama.

When Michelle Obama claims she is only newly proud of her country, she does not exaggerate.

In her world as in Obama’s, they believe we are a mess, a land filled with the ignorant and unenlightened, filled with despair.

They learned these things from places like Princeton and Harvard, they have it reinforced by propagandists like Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, they embrace the fiction of Michael Moore and the fairy tales of the New York Times.

They revere failures like Jimmy Carter and America’s enemies like Castro and Chavez.

They believe we have done nothing of value and brought no good to the world.

Their arrogance is just below the surface and it is clear they do not know the country or people they presume to lead.

Mrs. Obama reveals the depth of this pathology when she says,

“That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls.

Our souls are broken in this nation.”

This is a stunning revelation for those of us who live in the spiritually vibrant “flyover country.”

The Obama’s would be our spiritual as well as political leaders.

Hey Rob,
Care to prove a quote, ANY QUOTE, where Obama said he wouldnt wear the pin because he doesnt support the war in Iraq??
I am REALLY getting tired of your lack of adequate reading comprehension skills.  You are either a straight liar or you are stupid. 

Hey, Hannitized,

If you’re going to ream someone else about poor reading skills….it would help if you noticed that Rob is quoting someone there.

When one is accusing another of idiocy…it helps to not be a rampant moron in the process.

It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

You are either a straight liar or you are stupid.

stupid fat head

you are a sheer lying propagandist.

Hannitized is awfully free with the word “liar”. Possibly, he’s just projecting here, too, for lack of a substantive argument. And then, less than fifteen minutes later, without any response from Rob, he starts in again:

you are THAT FUCKING STUPID.

Olbermannized: Try an argument a little more sophisticated than: “Liar, liar, pants on fire”. (Even though all your grade school classmates are doing it!)
Oh, and if your arguments are SO fucking weak that you can only sit around and call people names, then take your fucking ass back to the Daily Kos and shit all over their posts! We’re tired of your juvenile rants here.

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He won’t wear the ribbon.

Oh, and [Olbermannized] if your arguments are SO fucking weak that you can only sit around and call people names, then take your fucking ass back to the Daily Kos and shit all over their posts! We’re tired of your juvenile rants here.
Proof

Uncharacteristic of Proof to use language like that but nevertheless…tru-dat!

Proof…this says it all:

A Spry Farrakhan Sings Obama’s Praises
By SOPHIA TAREEN

Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO — In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the “hope of the entire world” that the U.S. will change for the better.

The 74-year-old Farrakhan, addressing an estimated crowd of 20,000 people at the annual Saviours’ Day celebration, never outrightly endorsed Obama but spent most of the nearly two-hour speech praising the Illinois senator.

He continues…..

“This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better,” he said.

“This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama’s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed.”

read it….

CNN is push polling.

A push poll is a political campaign technique in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll.

South Carolina 2000

Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?

Who Do You Love?

Uncharacteristic of Proof to use language like that

Sorry! Civil discourse and reason didn’t seem to be penetrating the aura of ignorance with which “Hannitized” has surrounded himself.
He lamely claims that he will not show disrespect unless it is accorded to him first, and then, with no provocation (other than the little voices in his head), he’s the first one posting, cursing and name calling because he disagrees with the post. Two words: Pa   thetic.

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Give me a break Proof.  I am getting really tired of people who continuously post lies and bullshit and never update their posts.

I noticed you didn’t even have the balls to support Rob or counter my argument.  Instead, all that you offered was the same old, same old:  “You used curse words, you didn’t spell correctly…and um…well, he was only quoting someone (and agreeing with them), so it doesn’t really count”.

I did use foul language, because this post doesn’t deserve civil discourse….it’s pure bullshit. 

You guys sit around and throw names (Socialists) you insult your opponents (without using curse words) but you feel it’s ok to insult your political opponents, as long as you don’t use curse words.  Give me a break.

Focus on the argument Proof.  Rob is lying about what Obama said and what he meant.  Quoting his father is no excuse, he could have done a quick google search.  Somebody who has a blog should know better.  Your weak argument is nothing but typical right-wing spin that does nothing but distract from the point.  Pathetic.

I should have cursed your stupid ass out as well.

He lamely claims that he will not show disrespect unless it is accorded to him first, and then, with no provocation (other than the little voices in his head), he’s the first one posting, cursing and name calling because he disagrees with the post. Two words: Pa thetic.

I cursed Rob out, yet you cursed me out in response.  Yes, I struck first with Rob because he lies all the time Proof!  He constantly misquotes Obama.  Why in the hell should I give him respect?  Because he constantly lies and misquotes his opponents?

No way, he doesn’t deserve to be treated with respect.  That only gives his argument credibility.  This post is utter lies and propaganda and you know it.

If you disagree with me, back up his claim, if you can…...im going surfing and I will bet not one of you can defend his claim with a direct quote from Obama.

You think you are making a point because I cursed him out.  What a fucking joke.  Dude, youre like the hall monitor, lame!

H,

Socialists

So what would you call Obama’s far left political ideology?  It is either socialism or fascism in my book.  One thing is absolutely certain, it isn’t freedom.  It isn’t the liberty our founders envisioned, our nation won at great cost of property and life, and our brave and patriotic citizens have served, fought and died, time and time again to defend.  So out with it H, what the hell do you call it?

By the way, why does socialist offend you seeing you love its precepts so?

Hannitzed:

Maybe I should explain it to you, because you are THAT FUCKING STUPID.

Using such expletives is a measure of your limited intellect, it is rude and uncivil. Worse, in this case calling Rob stupid only demonstrates your low character. You may disagree, think he is ignorant about some matters, a liar or other such things, but stupid means: regarded as showing a lack of intelligence, perception, or common sense and that is obviously wholly untrue in Rob’s case.

I wsn’t going to jump into this debate, but I think knowledge from another Vietnam Veteran and geezer might prove helpful.

Geezers and Patriotism: We grew up believing that duty, honor, country was not a cheap Madison Avenue slogan, it was a sacred call upon the loyalty of every citizen to be on the side of America and liberty. We wore our pins and flags with pride! It meant we supported our troops, our veterans and our country.

Vietnam Vetrans: We had the rug pulled out from underneath us when we were winning the war, because of liberal politicians; we came home to jeers, snears, vulgar names and contempt; but we knew we had served our country with honor and we fought alongside brave men and women because our country called us to the job. So, people that refused to wear the pins and flags were either liberal, anti-war, anti-troops, anti-American hippies or cowards not wanting to have to defend our troops and honor them if others would criticize them.

Obama: It is a cheap excuse not to wear the flag pin, because it was substituting for real patriotism. No matter your feelings on the war, your anger at the temporary occupant of the White House or the crap done to us by the ruling class in Congress, wearing the pin is shorthand for “I support and honor our troops and I love America.” For a politician to make a calculated decision to refuse to wear it is to slap our brave soldiersin the face and to to say the America they fought to defend is not worth them wearing a symbol of their affections and support.

Sorry Rob, I stand with your father. Wearing it does not make Obama patriotic or not wearing it make him unpatriotic, but refusing to wear it while being dishonest about why is dishonorable and unpatriotic!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

You guys sit around and throw names (Socialists) you insult your opponents (without using curse words) but you feel it’s ok to insult your political opponents, as long as you don’t use curse words.  Give me a break.

H,

Instead of rationalizing your own boorish behavior… again… why not just acknowledge the fact that you’re having trouble keeping up with the more high-brow repartee and backhanded invective here.  Perhaps we could vote you a special dispensation to act the lout.  Kinda like certain post secondary schools offer special admissions programs for society’s “disadvantaged” and largely unqualified youngsters.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Using such expletives is a measure of your limited intellect, it is rude and uncivil. Worse, in this case calling Rob stupid only demonstrates your low character.

No, it speaks nothing to a persons intelligence.  Terrible reading comprehension does!

Dick Cheyney used foul language, is he of limited intelligence?  You’skids only focus on it because you know you are loosing the debate!

Any response to Robs lie about Obama?  Nope!

..why not just acknowledge the fact that you’re having trouble keeping up with the more high-brow repartee and backhanded invective here.

Again, nothing in response to the facts I laid out and no defense of Rob’s lies.  If you could have, you would have.

This is all a bunch of bullshit and you guys can’t handle it when someone calls you out on it.

Rob has not updated his post or even bothered to defend his lie.  Why?  Because he is a fucking lying piece of trash and a partisan hack!

I’m going to continue to use foul language on this post because this piece of trash post doesn’t deserve civil discourse or civil debate, because it is all horse-crap!

And not one of you proponents of his propaganda can defend his false claim.  Pathetic.

So what if Rob is lying about Obama.

You leftists made an entire industry about lying about Republicans.

How does it feel, Hannitized?

I am getting really tired of people who continuously post lies and bullshit

Me. too! That’s why I called you on yours!
Rob reports on a poll from CNN and reports an anecdote of a conversation with his father. Then, the one who continuously posts lies and bullshit said:

You are either a straight liar or you are stupid.

Please elaborate at which point Rob misrepresented either the CNN poll or his personal anecdote. You’ve got nothing? Didn’t think so!
Yet it didn’t keep you from repeatedly calling Rob a liar. THAT’s the bullshit I called you on! The fact that you’re a foul mouthed troll just compounds the aggravation! Had you not insisted on repeatedly calling Rob names WITHOUT A SOLITARY BASIS IN FACT, I would have ignored you as most rational people should.

you are a sheer lying propagandist.

For reporting what CNN says? Right! In fact, Rob (the lying propagandist) said this:

I detest Obama as a candidate, and even I think that’s a dumb question.

Not a very good propagandist, I guess?  Straighten your tin foil hat, moron, and learn to read! Still no basis for your ranting!

you are THAT FUCKING STUPID.

Amazing that you can look in a mirror and type at the same time!

Your hyperventilating rant was clearly all out of proportion to what Rob actually said. This is not the first time you’ve unloaded a belly full of bile on Rob for no apparent reason.
Again, if all you want to do is call people names and play in the sandbox, play somewhere else!

If you disagree with want Rob, or anyone else here says, fine! Disagree! Bring forth reasoned argument!
Calling Rob names and calling him a liar when you merely disagree with what he has said is the height of intellectual dishonesty, “Hannitized”, (much like your name) and your continuous juvenile name calling of everyone not to the left of Nancy Pelosi is simply tiresome.

Yes, I struck first with Rob because he lies all the time Proof!

What unadulterated bullshit! Every time you post, should we call you a moron, because it’s already settled what you’re going to say? What utter bullshit, I will call him a liar preemptively because I believe he has lied in the past. How weak, lame, and un-liberal of you! I believe the word for that is prejudice?

He constantly misquotes Obama.  Why in the hell should I give him respect?  Because he constantly lies and misquotes his opponents?

Did he misquote Obama here? Did he misquote anybody here? And yet, you called him a liar and heaped disrespect on him (which you promised not to do-I guess that would make you a hypocrite as well!), and ranted on and on about Rob being a lying propagandist, but when you examine the facts, the only one telling lies here is YOU Olbermannized!

If you disagree with me, back up his claim, if you can

First of all, Rob has said he doesn’t care about the flag or what Barry O said about it!

I, personally, don’t care much if a politician wears a flag pin or not.

Focus on the argument Proof.  Rob is lying about what Obama said

Sorry! That’s not the argument of this post! But, it is a nice try at changing the subject! You called Rob a liar for what he posted here. If he lied somewhere else, call him a liar in that forum and back up your rants with facts (if YOU can). But the FACT remains, you were caught here dumping on Rob and calling him a liar when you were totally clueless as to the facts. And anyone who lies about another person being a liar, when they are not…that would make the liar whom?

Again, if you think your brand of bullshit will sell, start your own damn blog! But if a mealy mouth, chickenshit punk comes along and calls someone a liar, then HE had better have the balls to back up his bullshit!
Facts talk, bullshit walks. Take a walk, Hannitized!

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Rob has not updated his post or even bothered to defend his lie

Because, O delusional one, he never made that argument here. Consult the voices in your head and re-read the damn post, moron!
You are arguing against something he did not say (at least not here!)

it is all horse-crap!

Thanks for the five word synopsis of all your posts here. It will save us from slogging through any more!

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According to Obama’s own words, wearing the pin is not symbolic of patriotism since those wearing the pin aren’t providing the things Barack says would be a true act of patriotism. 

which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security

To Obama this too is true patriotism.  This line is contrasted with that which preceeds it:

particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq War

So opposing the war by speaking out against it—and somehow that is important to national security, not undermining it—is true patrioatism and such is not represented by that pin and those wearing it because they don’t speak out against it. 

Sounds like Rob nailed it H.

Liberal reasoning at its finest:

“No…business leaders will invest when they think they can make a profit…not when they have spare money.”

-SAB’s very own, Rezistik

You know H, if you and your leftist ilk would give up on the political art of ambiguity on the issue of national defense, and just say what the hell you really mean and feel, we wouldn’t have to decipher the double talk to know what the hell is being said.

Liberal reasoning at its finest:

“No…business leaders will invest when they think they can make a profit…not when they have spare money.”

-SAB’s very own, Rezistik

Rob reports on a poll from CNN and reports an anecdote of a conversation with his father.

Please elaborate at which point Rob misrepresented either the CNN poll or his personal anecdote.

Sweet.  The commander of losing battles makes his stand. 

Where did Rob misrepresent “his” personal anecdote?  Huh?

If you are asking me if Rob did more than merely speak to his fathers reason for not liking Obama?  The answer is clearly YES!

I can actually understand that argument.  I, personally, don’t care much if a politician wears a flag pin or not.  I’m more concerned with what that politician’s character and policies are like, but Obama saying that he won’t wear an American flag on his clothing because he oppose the foreign policy of our current President smacks of divisive politics to me.  One need not support the war in Iraq to support the country in general.

Now, explain to me, Proofy, how Rob can separate himself from his own conclusion and acceptance of his fathers understanding?  Please, elaborate….I am dying for your response. 

I am begging and pleading for you to continue.  Now…..it’s getting fun.

The fact that he thinks the CNN question is stupid says nothing to the fact that he misquotes what Obama said about why he doesnt wear his pin.

And Proof, you are really demonstrating your intelligence level here.  Not being able to read or comprehend what is front of your face is hilarious and sad at the same time.

Your hyperventilating rant was clearly all out of proportion to what Rob actually said.

You don’t even know what he said.  Apparently, it is beyond you to read the words he wrote.  Let me clarify for you again:

but Obama saying that he won’t wear an American flag on his clothing because he oppose the foreign policy of our current President smacks of divisive politics to me.

Three questions Proof:

1) Who is Rob quoting?

2) What is Robs conclusion?

3) Who is Rob talking about when he uses the word “me”?

You see, this is childs play.  Just like I kicked your ass in the post about fighting the war in Iraq, where you clearly had your facts all wrong, you are wrong here.

This is too easy.

If you disagree with want Rob, or anyone else here says, fine! Disagree! Bring forth reasoned argument!

It’s been sitting in front of your face the whole time.  Take off your partisan blinders.

Did he misquote Obama here? Did he misquote anybody here?

Yes!  Yes, he CLEARLY and distinctly misquoted Obama and then came to a conclusion based on his misquote. 

How far are you going to go with this?  I am going to crush you on this argument.

Rob is unsatisfied because the article didn’t lie about the story in they way he wanted them to lie about it.

from another thread You have a thing about Rob, don’t you? This proclivity for calling him a liar…you’re not going to go all Brokeback Blogger on us now, are you, Hannitized?

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Neiman:

We had the rug pulled out from underneath us when we were winning the war…

Complete fiction. The Vietnam war was an quagmire from day 1. Ask the French.

...we came home to jeers, snears, vulgar names and contempt; ...

Urban ledgend. Check Snopes.com

wearing the pin is shorthand for “I support and honor our troops and I love America.”

No, it’s shorthand for “I follow the mob.” Wearing a Chinese-made pin is, quite literaly, the very least you can do.

You see, the fact that Rob continuously misquotes or misinterprets Obama’s words is a clear statement that he is incapable of understanding Obama.

Should a person who can’t understand a politician write about that politicians effectiveness?  No, hell no.

This demonstrates something I have been keenly aware of for a long time.  Conservatives are too unintelligent to understand a Liberals argument.  The primary reasons for their disagreements is because they can’t see far enough ahead to keep up with a smart Liberal.

The more Rob misquotes and misrepresents Obama only proves to me that most Conservatives simply don’t know what in the hell they are talking about.

Hannitzed:

Using such expletives is a measure of your limited intellect, it is rude and uncivil. Worse, in this case calling Rob stupid only demonstrates your low character. No, it speaks nothing to a persons intelligence.  Terrible reading comprehension does!

I’ll apoligize and modify that to say your limited English vocabulary, as you could be just as rude or worse and never have to engage in vulgarity, should your vocabulary be more extensive.

..why not just acknowledge the fact that you’re having trouble keeping up with the more high-brow repartee and backhanded invective here.

I see absolutely no evidence of that at SA, mostly vulgar langauge and personal attacks to all that will not submit!

You know H, if you and your leftist ilk would give up on the political art of ambiguity on the issue of national defense, and just say what the hell you really mean and feel, we wouldn’t have to decipher the double talk to know what the hell is being said.

There is a lot of truth in that on both sides!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

So what if Rob is lying about Obama.

You leftists made an entire industry about lying about Republicans.

“He started it!”

That’s about the age level of ALL your arguments.”

Hannitized:

This demonstrates something I have been keenly aware of for a long time.  Conservatives are too unintelligent to understand a Liberals argument.  The primary reasons for their disagreements is because they can’t see far enough ahead to keep up with a smart Liberal.

Sorry, you lost me here! While there are many, very intelligent people in liberal circles, having succeeded in various professions, liberals are by their nature emotion based at reasoning; that is, their ‘feelings’ carry much more weight that facts, like Billy Jerf’s “I feel your pain,” it is all about feelings. You want to feel good and compassionate so it results that if you just throw enough money at any problem it can be solved, wherein your intellect and reasoning are being sublimated to your ‘feelings’ about every issue. Your side threw billions, perhaps trillions at the poor through welfare and enslaved a generation to the public dole and lives of irresponsibility. It felt good at the time, but it harned many millions of people in the process.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

I’m at a loss Proof.  You provide a link to another post where Rob misrepresents the story, again, as some kind of evidence that I am obsessed with him?

Did it ever occur to you that the moment Rob stops lying is the moment I stop calling him a liar?

The article Rob linked to merely highlighted the bad news, while Rob lied about it.  There was no evidence in that article to suggest anybody was using civilians as human shields.  There was evidence that a woman and child were killed.

See the difference?  Again, this comes down to simple intelligence, something you guys clearly lack.

Jack - Urban ledgend. Check Snopes.com

Oh yeah? Does Snopes.com also say that John F. Kerry’s 1971 Congressional testimony is an urban legend?

Buy a clue. Jeers, snears, vulgar names and contempt is what the left has had for the military for decades.

Jack: He didn’t say Rob lied, he was making a point about the pattern of liberal lies agaisnt the right! He never said, “He started it!”

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Buy a clue. Jeers, snears, vulgar names and contempt is what the left has had for the military for decades.

Socialism must either have the military completely under their control or constantly discredit them, as they fear the military most of all!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

...liberals are by their nature emotion based at reasoning; that is, their ‘feelings’ carry much more weight that facts,

And who told you that?  Rush Limbaugh?

Sorry, but people are emotional Neiman.  You have people in both parties and at times people on both sides judge with their emotions.

The article Rob linked to merely highlighted the bad news, while Rob lied about it.  There was no evidence in that article to suggest anybody was using civilians as human shields.  There was evidence that a woman and child were killed.

Why else would the Taliban be firing on US soldiers while standing next to women and children?

Honestly, what is it with the left wanting to give the flippin’ terrorists the benefit of the doubt all the time while any besmirching accusation made against our side is seized with glee?

I actually enjoy Hannitized’s comments here.  I think his stupidity and childish bomb throwing do more to make my points look reasonable than anything I could say.

Carry on, moron!

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

And who told you that?  Rush Limbaugh?

Sorry, but people are emotional Neiman.  You have people in both parties and at times people on both sides judge with their emotions.

1. I don;t listen to Rush very often and as my many enemies here will tell you, no one forces me to believe anything I think is wrong.
2. Yes, we are all emotional people, you have a wonderful grasp of the obvious. There is a difference between people with normal emotions and those (liberals) ruled by them to the excusion of all facts to the contrary. Conservatives have emotions, but they generally apply reason and common sense to solutions for our problems, while liberals feel all weepy and just throw other peoples money at problems.

Hannitzed is not a Moron! He is a liberal, yes! Moron: a former term for somebody with significant learning difficulties and impaired social skills, now considered offensive - NO. It also demeans their intellect! Hannitized is a liberal and wrong about many things, but he can defend his beliefs in an intelligent manner, and he has a respectable intellect, even if he remains in the wrong.

I like many of the liberals commenting here, as long as they try and be civil and not knowingly, habitually lie. I enjoy engaging them and can respect their views without sharing them.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

No, Hannitized is a moron.  His defense of his points are hardly intelligent.

And he certainly hasn’t been civil with me.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Neiman - Your side threw billions, perhaps trillions at the poor through welfare and enslaved a generation to the public dole and lives of irresponsibility.

You’re just too “unintelligent” to understand the argument Neiman. You just can’t see far enough to keep up.

Nevermind that IT DOESN’T WORK.

Our betters know better than we do on how to live our lives.

Liberal success: the city of Detroit. Murder city. The city of abandoned skyscrapers. Good job, lefties! If only we weren’t so “unintelligent”, the liberal policies in a very liberal city would be working!

The hubris of the left is wide and deep; the ignorance bohemoth. We see this played out with some of our played out commenters. They endorse failed ideas and then blame you when the errors of their ways are pointed out. And you can forget bringing up history, for these liberals have no rear view mirror.

Conservatives have emotions, but they generally apply reason and common sense to solutions for our problems, while liberals feel all weepy and just throw other peoples money at problems.

Nieman,

I can agree that many Liberals look at solving problems, because they care about people and not merely themselves.  They are a caring party, that is different, I think, than terming it an emotional reaction. 

What others often refer to as “facts” are merely their sides interpretation of a hypothesized result.  We see this in economics all the time.  You have to be honest enough to admit that even economists disagree.  When referring to these types of “facts” the words looses a bit of weight.

When I refer to a fact, such as: “Romney called the war in Iraq a mess”, I know it can not be refuted.  Side note: If I were to say “Romney said the war in Iraq was a waste of money”, I would be lying.  Opinion’s can not be facts, nor lies.

I appreciate your vote of confidence.  I happen to think you are wrong on many occasions as well.  But there is no reason why we can’t agree to disagree.

This site isn’t a beacon of fairness.  Insulting your opponent without the use of foul language is no more insulting with it.  I admit I can blow a fuse and sink to a level with the worst of them.  But I don’t take kindly to consistent misrepresentations.

Rob’s posts are often insulting to Liberals and his political opponents.  If he is going to take them on, he’s taking me on and he’d better be ready for a fight.

I am here Rob, and all your caterwauling isn’t going to help you escape from your mistakes and outright lies.

Liberals “care”, which is why their cities are crime havens, drug havens, and either bombed out (Detroit, Washington DC) or so expensive that all but the very rich can’t afford to live there (NYC, San Fransico).

Yeah…liberals “care” alright.

Which side are they on again? The drug infested criminal side? Or the “common man” that can’t afford to live in their elitist neighborhoods?

Liberals don’t care much for owning up to the reality of their policies. But at least these liberals care about people and not merely themselves. It’s the thought that counts, nevermind the reality of the situation.

Liberal success: the city of Detroit. Murder city. The city of abandoned skyscrapers. Good job, lefties! If only we weren’t so “unintelligent”, the liberal policies in a very liberal city would be working!

What about San Jose and San Francisco?  What about all the “blue states” and cities that bring so much wealth to our country?  What about them, Likwid? 

http://www.forbes.com/2005/10/27/richest-cities-US-cx_sc_1028home_ls.html

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igh tech helps a couple of cities—notably Raleigh, N.C. and San Jose, Calif.—make the list. San Jose, in the heart of Silicon Valley, tops the list with a median household income of $71,765. That’s not a huge surprise, given that the broader area is home to technology powerhouses, including Intel (nasdaq: INTC - news - people ), Cisco Systems (nasdaq: CSCO - news - people ) and Google (nasdaq: GOOG - news - people ).

“We’re talking about a highly educated population, with a lot of technical skills,” says Michael Solt, associate dean at the College of Business at San Jose State University. A lot of high-tech manufacturing used to take place in Santa Clara County, he points out. And even as companies, such as Sun Microsystems (nasdaq: SUNW - news - people ) and Hewlett-Packard (nyse: HPQ - news - people ), grew, matured and shifted production overseas, they retained California headquarters.

Whether they now describe themselves as liberal or not, most Americans remain strongly progressive in their views about taxation, health care, education spending, Social Security, environmental protection and corporate regulation.

Unions?  Surely you can find a reason why the Liberals were ahead of the curve at the time Unions actually helped your average American?

Liberals do have one rear view mirror. It goes back about 80 years to when the unions were last relevant.

Why, how generous of them. Now we have laws brought about by those unions of long ago.

What’s the relevance today?

Liberals will still ignore that their liberal policies are in full effect in certain cities. They have their testbeds. They have their cities where they are free to experiment.

Is it working?

1. Detroit, MI - murder city
2. Washington, DC - competes to be murder city; mayor might be smoking crack
3. San Francisco, CA - can’t afford to live here; rent control makes it so that one is lucky to even get a place
4. Boston, MA - the elite

Liberals do have one rear view mirror. It goes back about 80 years to when the unions were last relevant.

Conservatives have theirs too, only they usually refer back to the founding fathers.  How interesting, the hypocrisy of a partisan.  Good ideas don’t have an expiration date Likwid.

Why, how generous of them. Now we have laws brought about by those unions of long ago.

And millions of Americans who actually earn a living wage and the respect they deserve.  I personally never worked for a Union, high-skilled workers don’t need them.  But many Americans don’t have those opportunities to first get the job, and then the skills. 

What’s the relevance today?

Significant.  But just like everything else you learn from your radio pundits, you learn to bite the hand that feeds.  Because now that those union workers have their home, big screen t.v., they don’t like how unions sometimes suggest what issues are important to their survival or the fact that sometimes they push agendas they should not.  The moment you take union jobs away will be the moment you realize how relevant they actually are.  But I don’t expect you to be honest about it, so why bother debating?

Liberals will still ignore that their liberal policies are in full effect in certain cities. They have their testbeds. They have their cities where they are free to experiment.

Liberals didn’t creat the conditions that prevent people from succeeding or failing.  People either take advantage of opportunity, or they don’t.  We didn’t invent racism either.

Liberals didn’t creat the conditions that prevent people from succeeding or failing.

Bull.  Regulation and taxation which rewards non-achievers with the wealth of the achievers not only conditions the non-achiever to remain so, but removes any motivation and economic creativity from the same.  It also discourages the achievers from future economic endeavors.  Envy hinders success and leads to failure and class envy is exactly what liberalism relies upon.

Regulation and taxation which rewards non-achievers..

Huh?  How does taxation reward a non-achiever?  I don’t achieve and I am taxed, therefore I am rewarded.  Non sense. I don’t think you said what you meant.  You mean welfare and social programs, I am pretty sure.

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.not only conditions the non-achiever to remain so, but removes any motivation and economic creativity from the same. 

Except all those people who used welfare programs to overcome their hardships and succeed in life.  Right?

It also discourages the achievers from future economic endeavors.  Envy hinders success and leads to failure and class envy is exactly what liberalism relies upon.

It doesn’t discourage me from crap.  I make quite a bit of money and more importantly so does the company I work for, we grow by 20% each year!!!.  We give millions to charities and community organizations.  I don’t mind paying 45k a year in taxes so people who need it can lean on a crutch to get themselves a head.  I don’t like paying taxes period, especially for a war I didn’t think was a great idea, but here we are.  My tax dollars go to military guys who sit in data centers refusing to invest in technology that could save the country money, because they don’t want to loose head count so they don’t loose rank/pay.

People are people and anyone, weather they are an achiever or not will take advantage of the means available to them to earn more money.

This is a nice distraction from the real issue.  That of Robby’s misinterpretation of Obamas statement.

Where is Proof anyway?  He always runs away when the going gets tough.  That must be a conservative characteristic.

He always runs away when the going gets tough.

I guess Proof single-handedly gives new meaning to the phrase:

“When the going gets tough, the tough get going”!

For some reason, I don’t the spirit of the phrase referred to people who are delusional by thinking they are tough, and then cut-and-run from the debate they are loosing.

People are people and anyone, weather they are an achiever or not will take advantage of the means available to them to earn more money.

Really?  Then why is it we have so many on public assistance and many for life?

People will take advantage of economic opportunities when motivated to do so.  LIberalism limits economic opportunity, always has and always will. 

I applaud charitable contributions seeing they are voluntary and often do good.  I abhor wealth redistribution via taxation which is not voluntary and does more harm than good. 

As for Rob’s interpretation, I already commented on its accuracy.

As usual H, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The reason I so often defend others against pejoratives lile moron, idiot, stupid, fool, and/or question their intellect is that I have often been called such things here at SA and many others like Bat One, McCracken, RBB and many others at SA have at least thought that about me, it comes out in the demeaning and denigrating words they use, they call me emotional, strident, and an intellectual lightweight, which I am to a majority of those commenting here. So, since I don’t like being called those things, being treated as if they were true or others even thinking that about me, I hate to see others abused in that same manner.

When I have lowered myself to such terms or I have questioned the intellect, knowledge or wisdom of others, I feel ashamed because I know I don’t like those terms used against me.

So, you can ignore what I said about the person that was called a moron, I just had to say it to or about these people in my own defense.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Really?  Then why is it we have so many on public assistance and many for life?

LOTS of reasons!  Where do you want me to start.

Have you ever tried to land a high paying job with a bad driving record?  How about if your credit is bad?  There are so many factors as to why you can’t land a high paying job, if you are behind the curb.  Many Americans start behind the pack and continue to fall into despair.  Some of then never see light at the end of the tunnel. 

Teen pregnancies are problems, fatherless families, parents who are drug users.  Some children never get the parenting they need to develop in a manner that is conducive to a strong education.

People will take advantage of economic opportunities when motivated to do so.  LIberalism limits economic opportunity, always has and always will

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Liberalism limits opportunity?  Oh brother!  If liberalism limits opportunity, than conservatism limits intelligence.  You are living proof of that.

I applaud charitable contributions seeing they are voluntary and often do good.  I abhor wealth redistribution via taxation which is not voluntary and does more harm than good

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Well the two primary principles of my company are a gay couple.  They host campaign parties for presidential candidates and local politicians.  They are about as Liberal as you can get, but apparently you wouldn’t know what a Liberal was if one landed on top of your head.

As usual H, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Hah.  Well, I have no idea than you must be clueless.

So, you can ignore what I said about the person that was called a moron, I just had to say it to or about these people in my own defense.

Wow.  Just when I was starting to have some respect for you Neiman.

So you didn’t really mean what you said, you only said it because of your own selfish interest?  Wow, congrats.  I have to give you credit for coming clean and admitting you have no principles.

You know, I don’t really like it when people call black people the Nword, because people called me the Sword.  But, since it is more important for me to belong to a collective body than to have my own principles, I am going to suggest that you continue to call people the Nword, because I really only said that so people don’t call me the Sword.

CLASSIC.  You single handedly destroyed my perception that faith plays in the Conservative crowd!  Well done Neiman.

LOTS of reasons

And these reasons are overcome by wealth redistribution?  Many of these problems are directly contributed to by liberal social policies.  You speak of fatherless parents, how would gay marriage and parenting not contribute to such? 

Look, those of us working are simultaneously contributing to society and earning a wage.  The liberals then come along and confiscate a portion of the achiever/contributor’s wages under the guise of the common good (as if the individual has yet to contribute thereto).  The confiscated monies, after the gov’t pays for the bureaucracy needed to redistribute it, are then given to those who neither contribute nor achieve.  This is a great injustice. 

Liberalism limits opportunity by removing capital from those who know how to invest it in ways that creates wealth and industry, and subsequently jobs (ie, economic opportunities). 

As for the gay business owners, how is that possible in such an inequitable capitalist economy?  Clearly they have overcome whatever social obstacles were in their path.

Other than the fact that wealth redistribution has all but created a dependent class wholly servile to democrats, what has liberalism done to promote individual achievement for those down and out? 

Why are you liberals so opposed to freedom in the marketplace?

Hannitized:

So you didn’t really mean what you said, you only said it because of your own selfish interest?  Wow, congrats.  I have to give you credit for coming clean and admitting you have no principles.

I am beginning to have my doubts about you! I was saying I am selfish enough to admit I don’t like these things directed at me, so I don’t want to direct them at others and it bothers to see such attacks period. It is the biblical injunction about not doing to others what you don’t want done to you. I am sad you had to make such a nasty spin on the whole thing.

Liberals are hard to defend and debate with when they only see the bad in everything and attack people trying to treat them with respect. I am sad you now seem to be one of them!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Hannitized, are you here to vent yourself?!

If you peeled your skin off you would find a republican.

“In fighting a monster one must not become a monster.”
~Nietzsche

…Well better a child than a disgusting, ugly, cunt with VD like you. I would love to meet you anywhere and we’ll see who is the man young lady! It is easy for you to hide here with a fake name, try facing a real man someday and you’ll get your girly ass kicked up between your shoulder blades.

Neiman on February 15, 2008 at 10:06 am

I am sad you now seem to be one of them!

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Sorry Nieman, but I don’t know how to look at what you said any differently.

So, you can ignore what I said about the person that was called a moron, I just had to say it to or about these people in my own defense.

Are you not asking people to ignore what you said, yes or no?  The answer is clearly yes.  If so, why? 

I stand up for Pparets every-time, because he is a fair and honest guy.  I even take his criticisms into consideration.  People have their faults.  I know my opponents loose their cool sometimes.  I don’t hold it against them.  To err is human.  We should all be more adult than to pretend none of us participate in this sort of behavior.

People have their faults.  I know my opponents loose their cool sometimes.  I don’t hold it against them.  To err is human.  We should all be more adult than to pretend none of us participate in this sort of behavior.

H,

Well said… and well intended.  Bravo!

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Where is Proof anyway?  He always runs away when the going gets tough.

You know, I half suspected that the moron child Hannitized would lose his patience along with his mind.
Pay attention Ham-handed-ized, I’ll try to use small words: I am gainfully employed. So, while you may bounce around your mom’s basement, pretend to go surfing and be “master of your domain”, I had a plane to catch about the time you promised to “crush” me with your gnat sized logic.

cut-and-run from the debate they are loosing.(sic)

Again, your methodology (if one can laughingly call it that!) is to ass-ume you know what’s going on, make erroneous statements (lies) based on your ass-umptions and call people names (more lies) when the only ass (and liar) here is you, Hannitized! You’re batting 1000, moron! (Or should I say, Liar? Since all you posted here about me today has been lies !)

And from what you’ve posted since then, you’re still full of shit. Bullshit walks, Hannitized. Take a walk, Browneyes! Oh, yeah, and lying propagandist!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Hannitized:  You are a worthier opponent than many of these guys will admit, even if your views are - well - lets just say… controversial .

Now, if only we could bring out the latent conservative lurking in there somewhere. 

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

You have to admit pp, that Hannitized’s style too often interferes with the points he is trying to make.

If he would put down the triple espressos, he’d make a better opponent.

Yes, I struck first with Rob because he lies all the time

And from now on, according to Hannitized’s own logic, I can premptively call him a liar every time he posts! What a timesaver that will be!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Thanks Bat.  I was actually going to include you in my remark as one who is fair….er…at least becoming better at being fair.  ;^)

In truth, you are a much better communicator and your writing style is unmatched by anything I ever write.  I enjoy debating you because you do challenge me fairly and you don’t let me get away with BS.

I look forward to more challenging, insult free debates.  Or, if they come, I can take them too.

Pparets,

You know, I actually do wonder how far to the right I am moving.  I don’t know if its because of the time I am spending at right-wing sites or listening to right-wing radio, but I do see myself moving to the center or right.

In reality, when a good argument is made, I hear it.  I may not acknowledge it all the time, but I hear it.

Cheers.

We are not the evil, greedy hatemongers so many on the left think we are.

And from now on, according to Hannitized’s own logic, I can preemptively call him a liar every time he posts!

Ya might wanna be a bit more judicious with that particular appellation.  Some of us take a good deal more offense at that than at being labeled a “moron” or an “old fool.”

I’m just sayin’!

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Proof,

Look, your upset right now.  Fine.

But the fact of the matter is I provided Rob’s statements that indicted him or at least his belief.  He is not merely quoting his father.  He is making conclusions based on how he quotes and interprets Obama.

At best, he misinterpreted him.  But Rob does it so frequently one wonders where his intentions lye.  I am very, very suspicious of him due to his actions, nothing more.

If you wan’t to debate me on the merits, lets get to it.  If you want to inquire about my personal life, you’ll bore everyone, except for me.  I love talking about myself.  ;^)

I did surf this morning before work.  A nice south swell came in so I didnt have to drive to the north shore before work.  I surfed Diamond head and it was about 3-4ft hawaiian.  Thats about 10ft faces by mainland standards.

Why would I pretend I went surfing?  It doesn’t make my points any more meaningful and Im sure no one cares.  Maybe it gives me a couple of cool points, but most people look down on surfers anyway.  I tried my new fins on my JS 6’2”.  I put in the new FCS FG5s, they are like the M5s but perform tighter in the pocket and have a bit more flex at the tip. 

Hope you had a nice flight, I live in Honolulu and can manage to chew gum and walk at the same time…except sometimes I rush and completely destroy my paragraphs.

Why don’t you have a beer and explain to me how Rob can separate himself from his own words.

H,

Compliments duly noted and very much appreciated, thank you!  However, please lay off that “fair” and “fairness” crap if you don’t mind.  Nothing personal, but I cringe every time I hear the word, given how it is so often misused… and misunderstood.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

We are not the evil, greedy hatemongers so many on the left think we are.

I see Hannitized is trying to make nice now, but if he truly were interested in honest debate perhaps he wouldn’t toss comments like these around:

Rob’s posts are often insulting to Liberals and his political opponents.  If he is going to take them on, he’s taking me on and he’d better be ready for a fight.

I am here Rob, and all your caterwauling isn’t going to help you escape from your mistakes and outright lies.

Perhaps you need to learn the difference between lying and having a difference of opinion, Hannitized.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

By the way, Hanny, I’ve been blogging for almost five years now.  I’ve chuckled through the self-important screeds of trolls much more resourceful, and entertaining, than you.

But hey, the more the merrier here at Say Anything!  I mean, what other blog has an author not only willing to let you wail to your heart’s content in the comments but actually gives you space to post your own blogs on his site?  No censorship applied (unless you start plagiarizing or posting porn or something)!

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Ken,

I don’t think all Liberals think all of you are greedy.  But let’s face it, some people are, and that goes for the left as well.

I do work very closely to conservatives because I work a lot with the military.  I am completely honest when I say how much I admire these guys.  Particularly the older gents who come from and are a part of the greatest generation. 

It’s hard sometimes to square my beliefs knowing how many of these guys feel about the current political debate that is happening in our country.  While some agree with my views, my own words sometimes rub me wrong when I think about these guys. 

The left could learn a lot from some on the right.  Some of the Conservatives I know are some of the most gracious people I know, and they are admired.

Yeah we’ve had some real characters parade through here, haven’t we?

And Rob has only banned a small handful of people that I know of. Remarkable, really.

I’ve got some pretty thick skin, but I’ve been through a lot.  Banished, threatened, insulted, people trying to get me fired from my job.

Heck, right now commenters are on another thread are making me out to be a pedophile.

It’s enough to make a guy wish he’d started blogging anonymously.  But whatever.  I wouldn’t change a thing, and you get the most flak when you’re over the target.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

I do work very closely to conservatives because I work a lot with the military.  I am completely honest when I say how much I admire these guys.  Particularly the older gents who come from and are a part of the greatest generation.

Vets are always fascinating to talk to. I wish they would get over their humility and open up more, though.

Buy’em a drink.

I wish they would get over their humility and open up more, though.

I enjoyed a group of Navy guys who were from a destroyer.
They told me:
“Any plane near them was the enemy.”

Rob,

If you are going to tell me that the explanation for your misinterpretation is one of opinion, I am reluctant to believe you.

You merely need to read what Obama said.  It was clear, at least to most of the country, what he said and what he meant.  I still haven’t seen anyone aside from you who makes the same claim you have.  You certainly didn’t support your “opinion” with a link or similar post.

Obama communicated that he wore his pin, but as the discussion about Iraq moves forward people are substituting the flag for patriotism.  Those who make an effort to use the flag as a backdrop for their patriotism, while challenging others patriotism, fail to live up to the real acts of patriotism.  That was the message.  Liberals see this.  This is why MY FATHER, since were talking about fathers email addy is “itsmyflagtoo”. 

The fact that my father has that as a handle is just another example of how Democrats feel about how the Republicans use the flag.

Obama isn’t saying he opposes the war and thats why he isnt wearing the pin, he is saying he doesn’t want to act like those people who wear it and question others while failing to demonstrate what he terms “real patriotism”.  This was clarified by Obama in the link I provided.

Howard Zinn, of all people, told me that he was a B-17 waist gunner during WWII, and that the Air Force had all these complex patterns they were supposed to follow when the enemy approached, in order to maximize their guns’ effectiveness.

He said it all went out the window when the Messerschmidts approached, and they all said “just . . . fire! He’s over there!!!”

Zinn was one of the few vets I met who was quite open about all of his experiences. I used to drink coffee with a lot of vets who would clam up whenever you asked them a thing about the war.

If you are going to tell me that the explanation for your misinterpretation is one of opinion, I am reluctant to believe you.

You merely need to read what Obama said.  It was clear, at least to most of the country, what he said and what he meant.  I still haven’t seen anyone aside from you who makes the same claim you have.  You certainly didn’t support your “opinion” with a link or similar post.

I wasn’t aware that my opinion needed supporting links or posts.  It is what it is.  I tell you what it is, and you take it or leave it.

I really don’t know what you’re so exercised about.  I stated, in the post, that I don’t find Obama to be unpatriotic.  I also said that I don’t care much about whether or not he wears a pin.

I did state that I understand my father’s opinion on the subject, but understanding doesn’t imply agreement.

And I do find Obama’s decision not to wear the pin, and his explanation for it, to be divisive politics.  For all Obama (and yours, apparently) chafing at Republicans defining what is and is not patriotic he certainly doesn’t shy away from doing the same thing in reverse.

But whatever.  This is what I think about the subject.  It certainly doesn’t make me a liar, just someone who sees the issue differently than you.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Vets are always fascinating to talk to. I wish they would get over their humility and open up more, though.

Ken,

Its not just humility.  Not exactly.  There’s more to it.  Most vets I know will open up unconditionally to another vet, that is, someone else who has shared the same or similar experiences… even if that other guy is a complete stranger.  I’ve done it myself, discussing my experiences with other Vietnam vets I barely knew, when I would not have ever considered sharing those same experiences with my family.  Except my Dad who is a WWII vet and served in the Philippines.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

I know Bat, ‘humility’ is just the one word I could think of to describe it. Humility is part of it though, more than one vet told me they don’t discuss things because they don’t want people to think they were Rambo, or that they fought for any reason other than duty.

This reminds me of a story.

I was at an honor guard and after we were done with the funeral their was a reception.  The deceased was WWII so their were quite a few vets.

On of the ignorant young specialist was bragging about all of the “jumps” he had made asked one of the veterans who had combat wings how many jumps he had.

The answer was three.  I beliee one was Avinonge, but I am not sure.  They were all in combat.  He than stated he was pushed out all three times and would never be stupid enough to jump out of a perfectly good plane.  Some of this was in jest, I am sure he jumped.

But I believe most of their attitude is humility.  They really don’t think what they did was out of the ordinary.  Most of them were draftees and they didn’t run.  Which is to their credit.

Rob,

Your post doesn’t state it’s your opinion, it presents Obama’s meaning as fact.  You didn’t link to what Obama actually said either.  That looks intentional, when your opinion is so far off the mark.

And in regards to his statement being divisive, I see how you might think that.  To me it seems that he is walking away from the divisive nature of those who are wearing it.  To me, he is saying to them that he is not going to play the game and follow their lead and be guilted into wearing it to show patriotism, he is going to let his actions speak to his patriotism.

Its the same reason I dont dress like a surfer sometimes.  I don’t need to dress like one to be one.  So many guys pose as surfers and play the role to impress chicks but don’t surf well, or commit their life to it.  It’s not divisive to not wear surfing clothes at times, it’s a statement to myself that I don’t need to wear them to impress anyone.

Your post doesn’t state it’s your opinion, it presents Obama’s meaning as fact.  You didn’t link to what Obama actually said either.  That looks intentional, when your opinion is so far off the mark.

I presented Obama’s stance on this as I see it, and I linked to an ABC News (hardly a bastion of conservative sympathy) article which quoted Obama at length on the issue.

I’m not a liar, merely someone who disagrees with me.  That you cannot disagree with me without stating (as though it were a fact, to throw your own criticism back at you) that I’m a liar is too bad for you.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Lestat,

Your story rings true.  They were an extraordinary generation of “ordinary” men.  And there are so few of them left, and we owe them so much.  It is a debt of honor that can only be paid by passing on the honor to those who follow.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

You did link to his comments on the matter.  I owe an apology for that.  Im sorry for saying you didn’t.

With that in light, I don’t know how you could arrive at the conclusion you have.  It’s clearly something completely different than what he actually said.

It’s clearly not that clear at all…but to each their own.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Celebrating Diversity…......

This from the disciples of the Savior of the World:

There’s mounting evidence that at least some of Obama’s faithful intend to see a black American president sworn in next year—no matter what it takes. 

Earlier this month, popular black author and talk-show host Tavis Smiley disclosed death threats he’d received from those accusing him of blasphemy against their black prophet. 

Then, at Saturday’s Smiley-hosted State of the Black Union forum, Congressional Black Caucus member Stephanie Tubbs Jones lent credence to Smiley’s claim by suggesting that many black elected officials not swearing allegiance to Obama have also been the target of violent threats….

This is a stunning revelation for those of us who live in the spiritually vibrant “flyover country.”

We wore our pins and flags with pride! It meant we supported our troops, our veterans and our country.

wearing the pin is shorthand for “I support and honor our troops and I love America.” For a politician to make a calculated decision to refuse to wear it is to slap our brave soldiersin the face and to to say the America they fought to defend is not worth them wearing a symbol of their affections and support.

And I do find Obama’s decision not to wear the pin, and his explanation for it, to be divisive politics.  For all Obama (and yours, apparently) chafing at Republicans defining what is and is not patriotic he certainly doesn’t shy away from doing the same thing in reverse.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

How can Americans possibly consider a presidential candidate that is not patriotic?  We are just asking for trouble if we elect this guy.