Hey one and all, here is a bit of a history lesson.

It comes from a site that is probably sympathetically right, but it’s accurate and fairly well written. The Oswaldo’s and Kimberly’s of the world can take comfort in the knowledge their registration/vote fraud is an age old feature of their party. Just think what the world may have looked like had this massive voter fraud not be perpetrated by the Democratic Party.

Individuals encouraged to take part in this should not give in to the temptation to “stick it to the man“.

It further illustrates the deep level destruction of character that has taken root in our society.

When any particular group is allowed to be elevated above criticism, it will act in any fashion it sees fit. This has created the situation we have now, where critics and dissenters are called “racist” for wanting to hold them responsible for their actions.

Weakness and timidity of the right-wing allows this to continue. By letting themselves be censored and intimidated by name calling from the left they do us all a disservice. It also encourages, and indirectly supports the actions imposed upon them.

Plenty of fault to go around….

engaging in the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

“cadres of aggressive organizers” to use “demonstrations to create a climate of militancy.”

Those wouldn’t be community organizers by any chance, would they?

Proof, that example has nothing to do with voter fraud.

Osweirdo: Turn away from the shiny objects! Try to concentrate for two or three seconds! My comment was on “200,000 problematic registrations”. Hello! McFly? What part of problematic registration didn’t you understand?

That was a comment prompted by your ass-ertion that

Duplicate or multiple registrations are eliminated by vote officials in charge of registrations and voting.

How can they be eliminated (for the purposes of preventing voter fraud) if there is no communication to the local boards by uber-partisan hacks like the Ohio Secretary of State?

I was pointing out the fallacies of the tripe you were spouting. Thanks for trying to change the subject to something else whenever you are called on for being incorrect. Can’t you keep track of the arguments you yourself make from one minute to the next? (Not that they’re worth remembering, I’ll grant you that!)

will probably result in the prosecution of right-wing agents deliberately attempting to create havoc in the election process.

Is this your first visit to our planet, or have you been here before?
Either that, or your valium has worn off or your stand up needs work!

Obama’s now making slick Willie look like a boy scout.

Duplicate or multiple registrations are eliminated by vote officials in charge of registrations and voting. -Osweirdo

Like in Ohio, where the Secretary of State (D-OH) is withholding information from local election boards of discrepancies on 200,000 problematic registrations?
Oh, yeah! That’ll eliminate ‘em!

Keep sticking your head in the sand, ‘Weirdo! Or are you merely providing cover for your fellow travelers?

No one wants to suppress votes.

Not legal votes! But I sure as hell want to “suppress” illegal votes! Which starts by “suppressing” illegal registrations!

One man – one vote!
One man – ONLY one vote!

More importantly, CNN is now reporting that Palin was warned about her unlawful ethics in using her power as Governor to play a vindictive game against subordinates who didn’t bend to her pressure.

THIS is what voters are really concerned about, dontcha know. This, and the fact that Palin and McCain are the least trustworthy candidates, especially since degrading their campaign to the lowest common denominator. The result of lowering the discourse to the sledge beneath our feet is that sites like this one will allow postings that feature the opponent with a picture of a noose and the words: “The F**king solution”.

Amazing that the author of this site isn’t being investigated yet. Bush will no doubt give him a medal of freedom….

Stomping on Democracy is not good. Anyway you look at it voter registration fraud is Wrong. It takes time and money out of the tax payers pockets. Denying individuals the Right to vote is what should result in the techniques and tactics ACORN chose to use. It is so sad these individuals were encouraged to take part in illegal behavior that threatens democracy. BUT more importantly maybe it will put a stop to voter fraud in general?

Do you really believe that this is the only case that has happened?

There have probably been other cases, just like there have been similar cases involving Republican fraud.

Attacks against ACORN and similar organizations in the past, as in 2004 and 2006, are well known. Is it a simple coincidence that they were all initiated by the Republican Party?.

If ACORN’s activities are so nefarious, how come there have been no broad scale prosecutions? Have you ever wondered?

All those crazy accusations against ACORN, based on voter registration irregularities committed by its canvassers, are blown up by the media and especially by Republicans, and end up getting blown up in their faces.

kimberly – THIS is what voters are really concerned about, dontcha know.

Yeah, the voters do not care about voter fraud.

Good thinking, kimberly.

Oswaldo – It is quite evident that Republicans are frightened by the fact that ACORN could bring over a million (Democrat-leaning) people from low-income communities to the polls.

Democrat leaning and nonexistent! Or dead!

Stupid Republicans, worried about voter fraud. They need to get with the Democrat program of theft and fraud.

Way to give away your hands, kimberly and Oswaldo. You guys cheer on third world tactics.

Let’s see if I got this right, Oswaldo.

You say that someone being arrested for voter fraud proves your case that voter registration fraud doesn’t equate with voter fraud?

Is that your asinine reasoning?

That’s the kind of stupidity that could only come from a Liberal. Like you.

ACORN is a Path that leads people into the Land of voter fraud. To tolerate or condone fraudulent behavior touches the very nerve of our core values. Voter fraud stomps on Democracy which is at the very core of our Country. I encourage Everyone to register to vote! BUT allowing ACORN to take tax payers money (not to mention $800.000 from the Obama campaign) and expect us to look the other way & allow this kind of behavior is wrong! Why is Acorn getting special treatment when they have been caught red handed?

Remember the illegals marching in our US cities while chanting, “today we march, tomorrow we vote”?

We’re seeing it.

So, Flamer, aside from pretending that Democrats have not spent the last 45 years stripping the banking, investing and mortgage industry of its legitimate controls and regulations, now you want all the fraudulent voter registrations that have been added to the voter rolls in America to remain there. The substantially lower temperature worlwide have fucked up your brain.

Care to revisit all those “registered voters” who were “removed” from electoral rolls? And are you going to ignore the Democrat Party’s orchestrated effort to deny military personnel from casting their absentee ballots?

The kind of registration irregularities which, I repeat, ACORN has itself reported to authorities in neat stacks of documents, will have absolutely no effect on elections in November.

You were absolutly right. It has no effect on the elections in November, unless of course you count that the case I cited was in October and by no effect you mean that at least one case of voter fraud is no effect.

Do you really believe that this is the only case that has happened?

Dp you really expect us to believe that this isn’t going to happen many times again?

Youi Marxists can continue to support Obama and keep on lying to justify your support of Obama, it makes no difference to anyone legitimate. Nobody that knows how dishonestly you and your comrades operate believe anything you have to say. You and your comrades are all pathological liars.

If there’s a word of truth to support what you are saying why do lie so much?

You lie, Hotel.

I only suggested that this voter fraud could be compared to a prior voter fraud. I did not suggest that anyone should escape prosecution, nor that illegal registrations should be allowed to remain on the electoral register. Nor, come to that, should any other manipulation of electoral rolls escape scrutiny and even prosecution. You are just constructing a straw man to deflect from my valid comments.

aside from pretending that Democrats have not spent the last 45 years stripping the banking, investing and mortgage industry of its legitimate controls and regulations

Where was this? Another straw man? The Dems are for deregulation, are they? So the Reps must be the ones who are for more regulation?

Have the Reps been trying as hard with the banking and investment markets? Didn’t Reaganomics involve massive deregulation of those markets?

Truth be told, it was regulation of the wrong kind that precipitated the credit mess. You may downtalk the role of the CRA in this sordid mess, but you can’t deny that they perverted the market and increased the market risk. The entire point of the CRA is to treat lower income people as one would higher, i.e. the definition of a riskier loan. This one act alone then perverted the market and created an unlevel field. Add in the fact that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac together either owned or secured 51% of America’s $12 trillion mortgage market, and you can see that we have a problem of too much government, not one of not enough government.

Hey Oswaldo – I see you asked for some clarification on my cryptic note. I suppose it was kind of cryptic. Just saying that a simple question, by a plant, by a simple guy, who ever, should not result in the wholesale attempt to slaughter him. What if that happened to you? You may be as clean as rain, but, damn man, the MSM, Obama, Biden, and who knows who else just rained down on this guy. And all he did was ask a question. Got an answer that wasn’t liked, that’s obvious. But it was just a question.

Does that help?

Oswaldo – Found that clip yet?

Exactly what are you implying? Are you suggesting someone is deliberately trying to discourage and surpress votes. Where do you get that? Back up your implied accusations.

Oswaldo – Objective. Let’s see. Your first video is from Fight the Smears, Obama’s site. Hm, “we never hired him to….” Oh, he worked there, it’s in the record, but they never hired him. OK, sure. Real objective.

And the second video. So when the bad guy vote rigger says “using tactics – legal – tactics” that means what to you?

I note that earlier in this thread, you ignor the guy, Nash, who was arrested. ACORN connection, and true voter fraud. Oh, I’m sorry, it was only one guy, no indicator of what may lie ahead.

Oswaldo – Here is another. Have not found any specific video with the reference you have made.

Typical Liberal, just sitting around waiting for someone to do the work for you.

Oswaldo – Found that clip yet?

Nope. The reason is that it was Megyn Kelly and not Laura Ingraham who made the comment. I’m working on it. In the meantime here’s something I’ve posted more than once in another thread just in case you haven’t seen it yet:

Republican Voter Registration Fraud in San Bernadino Further Exposed
http://calitics.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=5BFA61C428AF47AC19D1E6E8996CC924?diaryId=6962
RNC TIED TO MULTI-STATE REGISTRATION FRAUD
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Voter_Registration_Fraud_Clearinghouse
Investigation into Republican Trashed Voter Registrations
http://www.klas-tv.com/global/story.asp?s=2421595
Republican Voter Registration Fraud
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/08/15/on_fox_voter_registration_fraud_most_newsworthy_of_election_rigging_techniques.php
Knappster: Voter registration fraud linked to GOP operation
http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2004/MERC-Oct-14-Thu-2004/24974845.html
Employees at a Republican voter registration group called Voters Outreach claim a supervisor destroyed completed Democratic voter registration forms, Vince Gonzales reports
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml
National GOP Tied to Voter Registration Fraud in Tennessee
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3582
Republican Voter Registration Fraud, Lies and Gimmicks
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/why-the-debates-wont-matt_b_130104.html
The Republican Party has a new voter registration project in Fresno. It involves luring people to sign a LEGALIZE MARIJUANA petition and then re-registering them as Republicans
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/03/18294421.php

You have that right LWS. I can report that here in the Socialist State of California, at ground zero in Southern California, the Get Out the Vote drives across illegal land were in high gear.

Election Results: Officially Finalized by what date?

As I stated earlier, there is a very obvious difference between “voter fraud” and “voter registration fraud” and the Republican Party is deliberately distorting the issue in order to suggest that if Obama wins the election it will be because of fraud.

Duplicate or multiple registrations are eliminated by vote officials in charge of registrations and voting.

Even die-hard rightwinger Laura Ingraham of FoxNews, author of the recent book “Power to the People,” did a closer study of the issue and explained publicly to Bill O’Reilly on the Factor on Oct 14 that ACORN might be guilty of financial transgressions but not of voter fraud.

I would appreciate if somebody could find the video (Oct 14 2008) of her statement. It was towards the end of the show, where O’Reilly wraps up the discussion summarizing and nodding as if understanding what Ingraham said.

Americans were duped into supporting Bush’s wayward policies, his preposterous war based on WMD hype and his re-election, so now the Republican Lying Machine, desperately grasping at straws to rescue its faltering campaign, thinks we can be duped again into doubting the legality of votes in favor of Obama because of irrelevant duplicate or multiple registrations. They keep using trumped-up expressions like “ACORN under investigation” “massive voter fraud” to spread their lies.
Those lies will work on some brainwashed voters already convinced that liberals are bad, Obama is a Muslim and does not support the troops, Saddam was behind 9/11, etc. but not on objective thinking Americans, whether liberal and true-conservative, who will not be taken for fools.

This GOP-fueled anti-ACORN sham

Yea. Ok.

How about this from MSNBC

I could find more, but it really doesn’t matter does it. Not National Media articles about people arrested, in jail, previous election cycles. Not references allowing you to read from direct annual reports from ACORN, or Woods Project. Nothing matters.

By all means, keep sticking to your logic.

Just keep dancing, perhaps you won’t cast a shadow under the light of truth.

Have you noticed that most of the references to points made are not coming from McCain HQ, or the RNC?

McCain ad attacking Obama and ACORN:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/radical-acorn-community-organizer.html

Here’s the thing O, facts here are backed by unedited video, references to actual documentation, etc

Gary, 2Hotel9,

Save your breath.

What do you expect? You can’t reject sources like the citizen groups I cited who expose Republican wrongdoing, while the Republican Party is itself involved in officially going after ACORN with distortions and help from rightwing and news-hungry media and sites.
Using your logic, I’m supposed to regard as a valid claim against ACORN only rightwing sources?

This GOP-fueled anti-ACORN sham emerges during each election cycle, 2000, 2004, 2008, and is debunked each time. If there was even the slightest grain of truth to GOP distortions, don’t you think that after 8 years and three elections there would have been mass arrests and prosecutions by now? Or are you saying Bush’s Justice Department is asleep or biased? Let’s see, 1 million fraudulent voter registrations, that would make 1 million arrests or prosecutions. Sounds like a lot doesn’t it? So let’s take only half as fraudulent; that gives us 500,000 arrests or prosecutions. Where are they? How about assuming that even 1 percent or even half of 1 percent of those registrations are fraudulent, that would give us 10,000 or 5,000 arrests or prosecutions. Where is your “actual documentation“?

I’ll stick to my logic and my right to repeat it as long as the media and rightwing liars continue their distortions.

HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES
HOW REPUBLICANS DISTORT OUR VOTES

More fraud that won’t effect the election, according to Oswaldo, because voter registration fraud won’t ever become voter fraud. Yeah, right.

http://media.palestra.net/videos/ae2/d3d/d29/b57/67d12a95156104c5012a.flv

Oswaldo, No one wants to suppress votes. ACORN’s tactics are clearly fraudulent and have cost taxpayers Money and confusion. Obama and his affiliations lack good judgment and that entire ACORN group IMO needs to be stopped. Encouraging fraudulent voter registration is not the American way and I don’t believe you want to encourage fraud that would put democracy in danger?? We may not see eye to eye politically. BUT I do believe you enjoy having your vote count and want to see Democracy continue. Understanding ACORN has used and abused the system and has jeopardized democracy and each individuals right to vote. There is no way of getting around that fact. Somehow the people who registered legally with ACORN should be able to vote and prove their identity.

More than 200,000 registered Ohio voters may be blocked from casting regular ballots on Election Day because of a federal appeals court decision on Tuesday requiring the disclosure of lists of voters whose names did not match those on government databases, state election officials and voting experts said.

-NY Times

More than 200,000 registered Ohio voters may be blocked from casting regular ballots on Election Day because of a federal appeals court decision on Tuesday requiring the disclosure of lists of voters whose names did not match those on government databases, state election officials and voting experts said.

Proof, that example has nothing to do with voter fraud. Check this about voter fraud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eicg5A1Qt_U

And this:

Officials in Oregon have launched a criminal investigation after receiving numerous complaints that a Republican-affiliated group was destroying registration forms filed by Democratic voters statewide, Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury told CBSNews.com.

Meanwhile, CBS affiliate KLAS-TV is reporting accusations of similar malfeasance in Nevada.

Both state’s allegations are linked to a Phoenix political consulting firm called Sproul & Associates run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican Party. Sproul & Associates has received nearly $500,000 from the Republican National Committee this election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

I want to get a Conservative fed funded group started that is similar to ACORN and be able to use all the same tactics ACORN uses! Who do I have know to get that idea going?

There is already Voters Outreach of American (VOA) which is funded by the Republican National Committee. Click below for an example of its activities:

Officials in Oregon have launched a criminal investigation after receiving numerous complaints that a Republican-affiliated group was destroying registration forms filed by Democratic voters statewide, Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury told CBSNews.com

What exactly is fraudulent in insuring that any legal candidate’s name appears on a ballot?

My anwser. Nothing. That’s exactly my point. Republicans want to make sure that only Repulican names appear on the ballots. They hope to accomplish this by suppressing all votes from low-income communities reflected in ACORN registrations. They are trying to knock 200,000 Americans off voting rolls.That is the worst possible of all crimes.

Allegations about massive voter fraud are pure hype. Listen carefully:

Disenfranchizing low-income Americans

Like in Ohio, where the Secretary of State (D-OH) is withholding information from local election boards of discrepancies on 200,000 problematic registrations?
Oh, yeah! That’ll eliminate ‘em

You actually believe all the BS spouted by Ingraham on Fox. Have a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eicg5A1Qt_U

John McCain’s campaign has directed $175,000 to the firm of a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states. According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the California Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of ‘registering voters.‘ The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms and even, once, spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots so as to hinder the Democratic ticket.

To insist that low income area tenants/home owners are somehow not intelligent enough to realize that they get to vote once each election is racist & elitist.

Oswaldo, How do you go about finding individuals who only registered once?

I want to get a Conservative fed funded group started that is similar to ACORN and be able to use all the same tactics ACORN uses! Who do I have know to get that idea going?

For starters, you’ll need to know a REALLY good lawyer!
Remember
We’re talking about the “Do as I say, not as I do” party!
We’re talking about the party that had a republican leader thrown out because he tried to let an old man feel OK about himself.
It doesn’t matter that that old man was a prominent democrat.
Trent Lott never saw it coming!

That’s exactly my point. Republicans want to make sure that only Repulican (sic) names appear on the ballots.

Riiiiiight! And Nader* is a Republican now?

Thanks for demonstrating once again, your careful scholarship and attention to details! That’s why we hang on your every word! /sarcasm

Move along now! Nothing to see here!

* Independent candidate for President of the United States in 2004 and 2008 as well as a Green Party candidate in 1996 and 2000

dismissing all its registrations

Thanks for demonstrating once again, your careful scholarship and attention to details! Who exactly (other than the little voices in your head) is asking to dismiss ALL of ACORN’s registrations?

Big O, nice huff post dude. See, the key here, is the term “accused” Do some research, not just the typical emotional “oh boy, I’ll show them” “lookie what I found.” If you had done some checking from unbiased sources, (like most of the people here do) you would find your post to be a waste of time and energy.

Dkos, Huffpo, and indymedia. Wow, you got all the facts. Wrong.

Fraud is fraud, spin and dance all you wish.

And Flannery? Is this the same “constitutional” lawyer who states that the Constitution merely outlines the rights that government gives citizens? That Flannery?

Hey O, just wanted to add something.

I’ll stick to my logic and my right to repeat it

As I wrote, you just keep doing that. At least for now.

Because who knows what might happen in the future. Who knows if fate may one day find you asking a simple question that is important to you, and get it played out in the media. And then perhaps your simple, important to you question will result in all the world learning what you did on your computer last night, when you thought you were all alone.

Zsa Zsa as you say

Somehow the people who registered legally with ACORN should be able to vote and prove their identity.

Nobody is asking for more. The problems is that by attacking ACORN as a whole and dismissing all its registrations is precisely the surest way of preventing the people who registered legally with ACORN from having their votes counted.

spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots

Osweirdo: What? You needed some filler, so you stick random facts on your posts? What exactly is fraudulent in insuring that any legal candidate’s name appears on a ballot? Or have you forgotten the topic of the thread so quickly?
Besides, don’t you believe in “choice”?

Last night I was watching Fox’s Laura Ingraham, so obviously trying to distort the truth about ACORN, get flatly contradicted by constitutional lawyer and former prosecutor John Flannery:

Oswaldo, boy-genius!

Contradicted! Wow. Just wow.

That’s so funny.

ACORN has been perpetrating voter fraud. Spin all you wish.

Flamer. Community Reinvestment Act. Educate yourself.

Oswaldo is ignoring shit like this

I went there. What’s your point?

You directed me to a rightwing site, but that doesn’t matter. Why do you assume those early votes are illegal? Officials have plenty of time to check them out. The time they spend doing so is the least we can do to honor everybody’s right to vote. Like you, I hope they catch anybody voting more than once or illegally. I’m sure you’ll agree that it is also important to catch anybody deliberately trying to discourage or suppress votes in low-income communities.

Oswaldo, you are delusional. Ingram was pointing out that what ACORN has been doing is voter registration fraud, as in pre-vote fraud. Voter fraud would be what the man in Ohio did with his fraudulent ACORN registration when he actually attempted to vote.

You and your clan can parse words all day, but, you can’t escape the light of truth.

One other thing, if you believe GWB is such a lying bastard, why didn’t he just have his shadow warriors plant some WMD, and avoid all the mess? This MWD thing is such garbage. Even your precious Pelosi, Reed, Clinton, and all, after reviewing the available evidence voted to go in to Iraq.

‘hammers’ ACORN. meanwhile, republican campaign officials are being ARRESTED for fraud. m’kay?