Clarence Thomas: Liberal Progressives Are As Bad As Old South Racists

If you cup your hand behind your ear you’ll hear the beginning of the much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left on this one. It’ll get louder as the day goes on.
In one of a series of interviews with ABC News Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas flatly states that liberal progessives are as bad as the old southern racists when it comes to their view of him. From the interview:

Thomas’s most deeply felt opinions are about race, and he pulls no punches. For Thomas, the menacing racists who donned white sheets in the segregated South of his childhood are as bad or worse as the northern liberal zealots in suits and ties.
“These people who claim to be progressive … have been far more vicious to me than any southerner,” Thomas says, “and it is purely ideological.”

Hear that gnashing yet? He goes even further:

“People get bent out of shape about the fact that when I was a kid, you could not drink out of certain water fountains. Well, the water was the same. My grandfather always said that, ‘The water’s exactly the same.’ But those same people are extremely comfortable saying I can’t drink from this fountain of knowledge,” Thomas says. “They certainly don’t see themselves as being like the bigots in the South. Well, I’ve lived both experiences. And I really don’t see that they’re any different from them.”
He says his critics — the people who question whether he is smart or qualified to be on the Court or who suggest he merely does what a white Supreme Court colleague dictates — are as also as bigoted as the whites of his childhood in the deep South. (Emphasis mine.)
“People feel free to say about me what they think about lots of blacks,” Thomas said in an interview in his chambers at the Supreme Court. “Because of the heterodox views I’ve taken, they have license to say it about me with impunity.”

Being called on the arrogance of their views is not something our progressive community is used to. It will be interesting to watch their reaction and the reaction from the media guard dogs who keep them safe from all harm. Will they scream and kick their feet in one of their juvenile tantrums as they often do when challenged, or will they slink into a quiet, dark corner and lick their wounds when they realize that this opponent may be of a stature that at this point they cannot impune? I think they’ll howl and thrash and throw anything they can at him to make his statements mean less, even if they are the very painful truth. It’s what they do best.
They can’t destroy him. They can’t tear him down. Too late, libs, he’s there to stay. And he’s got much, much more to say.

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    WOOF – Thomas can’t see the difference between those who disagree with his ideology…

    Calling him “Uncle Tom” working for a white “massa” falls under the category of differences of ideology?

    Well, I guess it does! You called it WOOF!

    The same liberals who support “affirmative action” turn around and use it as a weapon.

  • jordanb27

    I think we have come a long way since these times. We have still a long way to go in a lot of regions in the world, but i think big strides are being made. Hopefully this trend will continue.
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  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Clarence is an intelligent, independent thinker who earned his education on his own. I respect people like that. His skin tone has nothing to do with it for me.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    vasmosn has his head stuck up his ass, It is not true that the only reason Thomas is disliked by blacks is because he’s black and liberal.

    You mean conservative. But thanks for admitting that part of the reason is because Thomas is black!

    He enforces the law against sexual harassment and then practices it.

    Do you have proof of that?

    Oh, and if you’re going to compare what Thomas allegedly did to what Clinton did in the White House, remember that what Clinton did was not a crime, while potentially sexual harassment is. Oh, and Clinton got IMPEACHED!!!!!

    What did Clinton get “IMPEACHED!!!!!” for? You probably don’t even know.

    Further, it’s funny how so many conservatives will listen to the few black conservatives but not to the overwhelming majority.

    Conservatives don’t pay attention to the overwhelming majority of other conservatives? Um…weird claim there.

    No one is actually trying to LYNCH him because of his politics except in his imaginary “let me play the race card now and get out of this jam” world.

    This is moving the goalposts. When there is real racism, you sit there and say, “no one is actually trying to LYNCH him”.

    Think about what you’re telling us there. That this is okay because he isn’t being lynched. It’s all a “card” to you.

    Imagine what they would have brought up had they had $30 million to spend for an investigation.

    They probably would have found a bunch of hypocritical clueless people like you who are willing to overlook racism as long as that racism isn’t lynching.

  • Pilgrim

    If you paid attention, and compared what Thomas was alleged to have done with Hill, comparing it to what Clinton actually did in the Oval Office, it’s a little bit ridiculous.

    Great point.

  • Jay

    At least you showed us that you don’t pay too much attention Jay. It’s all a “card” to you.

    And you’ve shown that you can disregard all else and implicate race instead of seriously considering why liberals may not agree with him.

    He’s a conservative. Liberals disagree with conservatives. It’s not race…it’s ideology.

    What’s the converse? You don’t care for Barack Obama’s politics…is that because he’s black?

  • robert108

    NBC already tried to put out a “hit” on him by resurrecting Anita Hill. If you paid attention, and compared what Thomas was alleged to have done with Hill, comparing it to what Clinton actually did in the Oval Office, it’s a little bit ridiculous.

  • Bat One

    H&C ran about 20 minutes of Hannity’s interview with Justice Thomas last night. The rest of the interview, nearly and hour and a half is to run Sunday night on FNC’s “Hannity’s America.”

    Clarence Thomas is a remarkable human being and an American treasure.

  • 2Hotel9

    Golfman, that was the best radio I done been listened to in a long time!

    I figured they could do 1/2 hour episodes, twice a week. A rotating quay of left and right guests, perhaps some location work, crash some public schools and Ivy League colleges, for starters. Maybe once a month do an hour long on a different network or perhaps History Channel or Comedy Central. Maybe get Dennis Miller to do man in the street spots. Chris Rock to do the Congressional Report, go into Congress Critters working offices and see exactly what the racial mix is. And who is doing what for how much. That sort of thing.

    Just a thought.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    It has nothing to do with his race, and everything to do with his politics.

    Where do you live? Here in America, blacks aren’t allowed to be conservative according to the liberals. Any black who is a conservative is an “Uncle Tom”.

    At least you showed us that you don’t pay too much attention Jay. It’s all a “card” to you.

  • Pilgrim

    Thomas can’t see the difference between those who disagree with his ideology and those who would summarily crack his head open for drinking

    Told you listen for the wailing and gnashing, not to mention the attempts to tear him down, to begin….why – there’s one now!!!!!

  • robert108

    Jay: Do you really hold the racist view that blacks are entitled to make racist remarks? Please enlighten us on that one.

  • Vasmosn

    “vasmosn has his head stuck up his ass, It is not true that the only reason Thomas is disliked by blacks is because he’s black and liberal.

    You mean conservative. But thanks for admitting that part of the reason is because Thomas is black!”

    Thanks for the correction. No thanks for the derogatory comments so common from people who can’t stand ideas other than their own.

    “He enforces the law against sexual harassment and then practices it.

    Do you have proof of that?”

    No, but that is part of the popular perception. And we ARE talking about perception here.

    What did Clinton get “IMPEACHED!!!!!” for? You probably don’t even know.

    I certainly do know why he was impeached. Of course it was after a $30 million investigation into actual crimes that came up with nothing. And I’d bet there are few people in the WORLD, much less in political life than won’t lie about SOMETHING if put under oath and asked personal questions like that. I’d bet you would. I’d bet George Bush would.

    “Further, it’s funny how so many conservatives will listen to the few black conservatives but not to the overwhelming majority.

    Conservatives don’t pay attention to the overwhelming majority of other conservatives? Um…weird claim there.”

    Sorry you didn’t understand me here. Poor phrasing, again, on my part. Funny how so many conservatives listen to the few black conservatives but not to the overwhelming majority of black people.

    “No one is actually trying to LYNCH him because of his politics except in his imaginary “let me play the race card now and get out of this jam” world.

    This is moving the goalposts. When there is real racism, you sit there and say, “no one is actually trying to LYNCH him”.
    Think about what you’re telling us there. That this is okay because he isn’t being lynched. It’s all a “card” to you.

    Huh? By pointing out the fallacy of his statement I’m moving the goalposts? Even metaphorically, he’s not being lynched. Your argument escapes me here. It sounds like when I hear someone say “White Christian males are the most persecuted people in the country” and then I say “not really, very rarely does anyone get shot, lynched, beat up, etc., because they are white Christian males” and then you say “oh, just because none of that stuff happens, they’re not being persecuted?” Further, I never said that racism was ok. Doubt if I ever will. But it is hypocritical for a man who up to a certain point basically claims that racism no longer exists and that black people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps like “he” did, to then turn around and start accusing people of, I guess, reviving racism. I guess racism only exists when you’re trying to get appointed to the Supreme Court huh?

    They probably would have found a bunch of hypocritical clueless people like you who are willing to overlook racism as long as that racism isn’t lynching.

    Hmm…just as an aside, I do notice that so many conservatives love to engage in personal attacks. Is that part of the philosophy or just a general lack of ideas? Or maybe you can explain where I’ve been hypocritical? Or where I said or even implied that racism was ok? Or where I attacked you personally, despite what I am growing to think of you?

  • FlyOnTheWall

    Woof,

    It’s called political bigotry.

    Wow, great picture to go with the statement. (Excuse me, got to clean green tea off my keyboard.)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Jay – And you’ve shown that you can disregard all else and implicate race instead of seriously considering why liberals may not agree with him.

    No. I listen to what they say Jay. For some liberals, the disagreement is ideological. For others, it’s because he’s a black conservative. You can’t sit there and claim “Uncle Tom” was said strictly because of ideology. That’s just not going to wash. YOU are the one disregarding all else by ignoring such statements.

    What’s the converse? You don’t care for Barack Obama’s politics…is that because he’s black?

    Black, white, the guy is both, isn’t he? It doesn’t matter to me. I’m not the type of person who cares. Your “converse” is nothing more than a lying tit-for-tat.

    The problem with your argument is that almost all of the people who have made derrogatory comments about Justice Thomas are black themselves.

    Oh. Well now I see the source of your confusion Jay. You’re the type of racist I was talking about. You don’t even realize it.

  • vasmosn

    It is not true that the only reason Thomas is disliked by blacks is because he’s black and liberal. He is also hypocritical. I cannot recall hearing anyone black say very much derogatory about Colin Powell and it is mostly because he is at least consistent. Thomas, on the other hand, uses affirmative action and then condemns it. He enforces the law against sexual harassment and then practices it. Oh, and if you’re going to compare what Thomas allegedly did to what Clinton did in the White House, remember that what Clinton did was not a crime, while potentially sexual harassment is. Oh, and Clinton got IMPEACHED!!!!! Further, it’s funny how so many conservatives will listen to the few black conservatives but not to the overwhelming majority. Most blacks that dislike Thomas dislike him for the same reasons they disliked Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and the like. Their politics. At least on this Thomas was correct but isn’t that the point? No one is actually trying to LYNCH him because of his politics except in his imaginary “let me play the race card now and get out of this jam” world. Everyone was so scared that the hearings ended there. Imagine what they would have brought up had they had $30 million to spend for an investigation. There WERE people attempting to keep him from the Supreme Court by following our Constitutional procedures. They’re SUPPOSED to do that.

  • Jay

    black conservative doesn’t fit into that ideology

    I studied law school in Oregon. It was a VERY liberal environment. Thomas was criticized for his absenteeism as a Justice, his conservative views, and his downright creepiness…not his race. It had nothing to do with it.

    This “racism” scenario was created by Clarence because he feels he’s being picked on for his politics. It’s convenient and easy to do. I would expect nothing less from him…saying the easy thing (or nothing at all) is CLarence’s MO.

  • Bat One

    Thomas can’t see the difference between those who disagree with his ideology and those who would summarily crack his head open for drinking from the fountain where “the water was the same.”

    It would be far more correct, and honest, to say that prominent Democrat bigots like Senate Majority leader Harry Reid have more difficulty with that distinction than does Justice Thomas. Reid referred to Thomas as “an embarrassment” and stated that Thomas’ opinions were “poorly written” and when pressed later for an example Reid offered,

    You take the Hillside Diary case. In that case you had a [dissent] written by Scalia and a [dissent] written by Thomas. There — it’s like looking at an 8th grade dissertation compared to somebody who just graduated from Harvard.

    Scalia’s is well reasoned. He doesn’t want to turn [stare decisis] on its head. That’s what Thomas wants to do.

    But Justice Thomas’ opinion in Hillside was a succinct two sentence paragraph which was the epitome of concise, and accurate legal writing.

    I join Parts I and III of the Court’s opinion and respectfully dissent from Part II, which holds that §144 of the Federal Agriculture Improvement and Reform Act of 1996, 7 U. S. C. §7254, “does not clearly express an intent to insulate California’s pricing and pooling laws from a Commerce Clause challenge.” Ante, at 6-7. Although I agree that the Court of Appeals erred in its statutory analysis, I nevertheless would affirm its judgment on this claim because “[t]he negative Commerce Clause has no basis in the text of the Constitution, makes little sense, and has proved virtually unworkable in application,” Camps Newfound/Owatonna, Inc. v. Town of Harrison, 520 U. S. 564, 610 (1997) (Thomas, J., dissenting), and, consequently, cannot serve as a basis for striking down a state statute.

    Furthermore, contrary to Harry Reid’s make believe analysis, Justice Scalia didn’t write any opinion in Hillside at all.

    The real tragedy is that Justice Thomas is subject to the most insidious racism from liberal bigots (and blatant liars) like Reid. There really is no other excuse for Reid’s systematic lies about Thomas and his work on the Court.

  • Neiman

    Sorry, a typo, I meant to say:

    I don’t see how any rational person can honestly claim that the hatred by the Left for Justice Thomas isn’t solely because he is black and he isn’t a liberal

  • 2Hotel9

    Jim Quinn ran about 5 minutes of this audio this morning, around 06:30. Clarence rocks! Him, Walter Williams, and Bill Cosby need to do a series of primetime dissertations upon racism and culture in America.

  • 2Hotel9

    Jon Swift, Grand Cleagle of the KKK. Why do you hate blacks so much?

  • 2Hotel9

    The Senate will shift their character assassination campaign to Justice Thomas this week. Just watch, they are winding up their mouthpieces Reid and Pelosi as we speak.

  • robert108

    Jay, I agree with you that it’s ideology, and a black conservative doesn’t fit into that ideology, therefore he has to be demonized and denigrated for not following the party line. It’s ideology based on an ideological view of race.

  • gilbyguy

    I saw a Thomas interview on “60 Minutes” last night. It was very interesting. I gained even more respect for the man.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Clarence Thomas: Liberal Progressives Are As Bad As Old South Racists

    Worse. Old South Racists could fall back on the excuse that they were merely ignorant. Our “enlightened” Liberal “Progressives” have no such excuse, and are therefore more blameworthy.
    (Lame apologists like WOOF, notwithstanding!)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    WOOF – People say mean things about
    a Supreme Court Justice?

    Things that are said reveal a mindset. Many aren’t merely against Thomas because of differing ideology, they are against him because he is black. That was the point.

    You can flippantly throw that away if you like. I don’t blame you, after all – we’re talking about your fellow libs here. It’s not a pretty picture.

  • Bat One

    Jay,

    If the disagreements with Justice Thomas are strictly ideological as you say, then why would Harry Reid feel compelled to lie about Thomas’ written opinions, but endorse those of fellow conservative “originalist” Antonin Scalia?

    If it was only ideology, perhaps you could provide a list of liberal Democrats who have disavowed Reid’s racist remarks, or those of Ted Rall, Pat Oliphant, Gary Trudeau, Daryl Cagle, and Matt Davies toward Secretary of State Rice, including Rall’s reference to her as “Bush’s house nigga”? And what liberal has disavowed the racist treatment of former Lt. Governor Michael Steel in 2004?

    Fact is, Thomas is right. The racist bigotry is still alive and well on the left.

  • docdave

    He’s a conservative. Liberals disagree with conservatives. It’s not race…it’s ideology.

    It’s ideology alright but not as you say it, liberals vs conservatives. That would only be true if you equated liberals to fiction and conservatives to facts.

  • robert108

    This “racism” scenario was created by Clarence because he feels he’s being picked on for his politics.

    So, when they called him an “Uncle Tom”, and when they called Condi Rice “Aunt Jemima”, and when they both were referred to as “house niggers”, that wasn’t racist, Jay?

  • Jay

    “So, when they called him an “Uncle Tom”, and when they called Condi Rice “Aunt Jemima”, and when they both were referred to as “house niggers”, that wasn’t racist, Jay?”

    The problem with your argument is that almost all of the people who have made derrogatory comments about Justice Thomas are black themselves.

    Joycelyn Elders, Joseph Lowery, Julianne Malveaux…all these people are african americans.

    And I’m not about to get into that shitstorm.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    So, when they called him an “Uncle Tom”, and when they called Condi Rice “Aunt Jemima”, and when they both were referred to as “house niggers”, that wasn’t racist, Jay?

    Don’t forget Colin Powell! He’s had his share of abuse heaped upon him for leaving the liberal plantation!

  • http://www.wethepeopleforum.com/forum/forums.asp golfmann

    Him, Walter Williams, and Bill Cosby need to do a series of primetime dissertations upon racism and culture in America.

    That show would draw 100 million people!

    Rush has 90 minutes with Justice Thomas starting NOW!

  • robert108

    The problem with your argument is that almost all of the people who have made derrogatory comments about Justice Thomas are black themselves.

    They are black Dems, Jay, which is the exact point Thomas is making. Wake up.

  • robert108

    Pil: All of Hill’s accusations against Clarence Thomas boiled down to the claim that he “talked dirty to her”.

  • Neiman

    I don’t see how any rational person can honestly claim that the hatred by the Left for Justice Thomas is solely because he is black and he isn’t a liberal. These two things are tied together: The Left feels it is the worst form of treason for any black not to support their party and agenda.

    Justice Thomas seems like a decent, honorable and intelligent man and is a very competant Justice of the Supreme Court.

  • http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/10/clarence-thomas-angry-black-man.html Jon Swift

    Clarence Thomas seems like such an angry black man. I wonder why for him everything is about race.
    http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/10/clarence-thomas-angry-black-man.html

  • Jay

    If the disagreements with Justice Thomas are strictly ideological as you say, then why would Harry Reid feel compelled to lie about Thomas’ written opinions, but endorse those of fellow conservative “originalist” Antonin Scalia?

    Without knowing what opinion you’re talking about, I have no idea really how to respond. But perhaps because Scalia isn’t your run-of-the-mill conservative and he’s not a neocon. More than anything, Scalia is an originalist. And although 9 times out of 10 this originalism provides for a conservative outcome (which is why he is despised by a good portion of the left), sometimes his “originalist” ideology provides for a somewhat “democratic” end result. That and maybe because members of the different party sometimes agree on things. LOL.

    If it was only ideology, perhaps you could provide a list of liberal Democrats who have disavowed Reid’s racist remarks, or those of Ted Rall, Pat Oliphant, Gary Trudeau, Daryl Cagle, and Matt Davies toward Secretary of State Rice, including Rall’s reference to her as “Bush’s house nigga”? And what liberal has disavowed the racist treatment of former Lt. Governor Michael Steel in 2004?

    I’m not disagreeing that racism may, in fact, be alive and well. However, my OP had nothing to do with Rice. Instead, I was reflecting on how I believed that some liberals disagree with Thomas for something OTHER than his race and that Clarence simply uses this as an excuse because he’s it’s convenient for him to do so.

  • Jay

    Playing the race card is so passe. It’s lazy. On either side.

    It has nothing to do with his race, and everything to do with his politics. If he can’t see that…well…I’m not surprised. This coming from a man whose opinions normally entail “yeah…what he said.”

    He’s still pissed off that people bothered to care about the whole “long dong silver” thing? Imagine that.

  • http://www.kneejerkcity.com/ Brandon

    Woof,

    It’s called political bigotry.

  • Bat One

    Without knowing what opinion you’re talking about, I have no idea really how to respond.

    Jay,

    Perhaps if you had read my previous comment, several entries above, you’d know that the opinion excoriated by Reid was

    Hillside Dairy v. Lyons

    . Note too, that a thorough discussion of Harry Reid’s idiotic remarks are at the provided bookmark.

    Your suggestion that Thomas is “inventing” the charge of racism because of his politics would likely be as offensive to Thomas as Harry Reid’s documented idiocy. Besides, those of us on/in the Right have listened to far, far too many accusations of racism from the left when our critiques of black politicians were ideologically based, to fall for that feeble argument now.

  • WOOFX

    Thomas can’t see the difference between those who disagree with his ideology and those who would summarily crack his head open for drinking from the fountain where

    the water was the same

  • WOOFX

    People say mean things about
    a Supreme Court Justice?

    SOP.

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