Civil Unions Should Suffice For Gays Says…..Elton John?

Proof  •  November 13, 2008

Pardon the expression, but here’s one from from left field that is sort of unexpected:

In December 2005, John and Furnish tied the knot in a civil partnership ceremony in Windsor, England. But, clarified the singer, “We’re not married. Let’s get that right. We have a civil partnership. What is wrong with Proposition 8 is that they went for marriage. Marriage is going to put a lot of people off, the word marriage.”
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“I don’t want to be married. I’m very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership,” said John. “The word marriage, I think, puts a lot of people off. You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships.”

Well, slap my face and call me Sally. Who would have seen that one coming?
By the way, despite his weird flamboyance I still think his first half dozen albums (including Honky Chateau, Madman Across the Water, and Don’t Shoot Me I’m The Piano Player) are arguably some of the best pop albums ever.
So sue me.

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  • http://Array pparets

    Woof barks up the wrong tree again..

    Apparently all homosexual acts are illegal in Florida

    Homosexuality between consenting adults is legal in Florida.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

    Sounds like someone is looking for a new place to live.???

  • pparets

    Danieltj1… I asked for someone to show me a state where it was legal for an adult male or female to have sex with a sixteen year-old of either sex.

    SHOW ME ONE!

  • HG

    Pparets,

    It is both.

    “It’s about removing the moorings of a healthy society so they feel better about themselves and their perversion.”

    Once that is accomplished, I predict they will go after the legal definition of pedophelia, arguing that a 16 year-old is mature enough to make sexual decisions about relations with an adult.

    Bingo!

    That is exactly what they are doing in Holland and in other countries.

  • pparets

    woof, woof… barking up the wrong tree…

    JACKSONVILLE, FL — A 43-year-old man is accused of propositioning sex from a 16-year-old boy at a park on Jacksonville’s Southside.

    DENVER POST — One 16-year-old boy told police that Johnson performed oral sex on him on two occasions and that they had sex once. Another 16-year-old also told police that Johnson performed oral sex on him when she was engaging in sexual intercourse with another teen, according to the arrest affidavit.

    The investigation began when one of the boys told his mother about what happened. Johnson was arrested in December 2004. Johnson told 7NEWS earlier that she was going through a difficult period in her life and that she has apologized to the parents of the teens who are connected to the case.

    Now, Woof, tell me again in what state it is legal for an adult to have sex with a 16 year-old?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Well, slap my face and call me Sally.

    Um, no. Things are confused enough around here as it is.

  • RebTex

    DanielJ1
    In Oregon, is it lawful for a 50 year old man to engauge in sex acts with a 16 year old girl?

  • kbiel

    By the way, despite his weird flamboyance I still think his first half dozen albums (including Honky Chateau, Madman Across the Water, and Don’t Shoot Me I’m The Piano Player) are arguably some of the best pop albums ever.

    Agreed, but Sir Elton is still a prissy queen who would have gone no where without Taupin. ;)

  • di butler

    I was shocked when I read this earlier, but thought that Elton made more sense than anyone else on the gay side. I love all of Elton’s old stuff. My favorite song is not one of the very oldest, but “Someone Saved My Life Tonight,” is numero uno.

  • DanielJ1

    pparets,now your just being obstinate.You asked me to name 1 state where an adult can have sex with a 16 year old.I put 20 down by name and D.C..Is not 16 a minor?If you notice Florida and Colorado are not on the list.Every state has there own laws or are you trying to say what is illegal in Fla and Col.everybody else follows? I live in Oregon and we have assisted suicide here does that mean because other states don”t then the law doesn’t exist here? Your grasping at straws and don’t want to admit your wrong.You can keep bringing up Florida and Colorado all you want it still won”t change the fact that you are wrong.

  • pparets

    Danielj1: Long story short: There is NO STATE where an adult can legally engage in sex with a minor.

  • RebTex

    No.
    I was trying to get to the info that PP had asked for, but in a more direct way.
    More mature women are my style!

  • DanielJ1

    No Reb,in Oregon you could be charged with sexual abuse,sexual misconduct and/or contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor.Ignorance of age can be used as a defense in Oregon though.

  • RebTex

    Homosexuality between consenting adults is legal in Florida.

    I mistakingly took the Family on a beach road trip.
    We ended up on the Gulf side of Florida.
    The beach was crawlin’ with the alternative lifestyle types.
    Turns out, it was some kind of yearly visit they do.
    THey were not bashful at all.

  • di butler

    It may be legal to have sex at 16 in Ga, but I had to sign for my 17 yr old daughter to get married. Her husband’s parent had to sign also. And bring proof she was preggers from the doctor.

  • danielj1

    pparets-actually there are 26 states and D.C. where the age of consent is 16.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    A marriage recognized by the state is a civil union. IF they want their church or synagog to recognize it? Good luck! I doubt that will happen. I still don’t quite understand what homosexuals are asking for? Aren’t they already considered a “Special Interest Group” where they are given special considerations?

  • pparets

    Kenny said:

    He’s told you repeatedly.

    Yes, he has.

    And I have asked him – and now you – repeatedly to name the states where an adult can legally have sex with a minor; a criminal activity not to be confused with age of consent.

    BTW: You need to read the Denver article carefully. The woman had sex with two 16 year-old boys, an event to which they clearly consented. None-the-less, she was arrested for doing so.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    16? Try that in Louisiana and…You. Go. To. Jail. Period.

    Yup, it’s 17 in Louisiana.

  • RebTex

    Mississippi
    16 – [2]If the female is over 12, the status applies only to virgins.

    HA!
    I’m STILL laughin’!

  • DanielJ1

    Wikipedia,age of consent 16-Ala,Alaska,Ark,Conn,Georgia,Indiana,Iowa,Kan,Maine,Md,Minn,Miss,Mont,Nev,NH,NJ,NC,Oh,Ok,Penn,RI,SC,SD,Vt,Washington,WV and though not a state D.C. Are you satisfied now?

  • HG

    Zsa,

    They want everyone to celebrate homosexual partnerships the same way we take joy in and celebrate “marriage”. They want everyone to recognize and celebrate their attempt at a “family”. They want to force everyone to accept their perversion and be happy about it. They want to be seen as normal by the majority of society who mock and laugh at their lisp and attempts to behave as if they weren’t genetically male or female. It’s about removing the moorings of a healthy society so they feel better about themselves and their perversion.

  • pparets

    Woof said:

    That’s the law, most parts of the US.

    I don’t think so… Show us a state where a woman can legally have sex with a 16 year-old girl or boy, or a man with a 16 year-old boy or girl.

  • HG

    It is ridiculous to want more.

    Agreed, but so is their sexual behavior. They have set themselves against marriage and family in their quest for acceptance.

    I think there is a deeper issue here. These same people hate, I mean absolutely hate the idea of a God of judgment. They hate people who believe in such a God. They hate that society to some degree reflects that belief in its norms. They are on a mission to eliminate anything of the sort.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    HG, IF they really want that they shouldn’t assault little old ladies and news casters. That big man jerking his arms, yelling and pointing in their faces is inappropriate for any reason. It is ridiculous to want more. All civil unions are recognized as marriage by the state, are they not? Are they trying to assert their special interest group rights? I want to slap that big man across the face for doing that to that little old lady. He is way out of line!

  • Ennis

    My niece is a lesbian and used to be all gung-ho for gay marriage. She used to whine and cry because she could not marry her lover, how society was being so “mean to her”, etc. All we ever heard out of her was this same whingy crap for about 18 months.

    Her and her lover broke up-it was a nasty breakup, too. My niece moved into a new house that she had bought and she also bought herself a new car. I asked her one day how she liked her new house and she said she loved it. I then pointed out to her that if she had gotten married she would have probably had to pay alimony to her former lover (because she made about 10 times what her lover did) and probably lost some of her most valued possessions because even though she bought them with her own money she had bought them while they were living together.

    We have never heard a peep about the subject of gay marriage again out of her. I wonder why? 8D

  • Pilgrim

    kbeil,

    You’re absolutely right….not selling his music writing ability short – he probably would have succeeded to some degree – but it was Taupin’s lyrics that put him over the top. Great stuff.

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    the majority of society who mock and laugh at their lisp and attempts to behave as if they weren’t genetically male or female.

    Because all gays have a lisp, and love pink, and act flamboyantly. And while we’re at it all women love to cook all day, and all men are failures unless they teach their son to play baseball, and everyone who’s smoked weed is a leech on society.

    Done spouting fifties-esque stereotypes?

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Now, Woof, tell me again in what state it is legal for an adult to have sex with a 16 year-old?

    He’s told you repeatedly.

    You cite two stories that you don’t provide links to, but in the Denver one it sounds clearly non-consentual.

    In Florida, there is a bill pending to lower the age of consent.

    States that have age of consent LOWER than 16: Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Idaho, South Carolina seems to be pending, and Virginia.

    Being not that far removed from that age, I think it’s beyond silly to pretend that many of these teens can’t make a decision about sex. It’s even more assinine to pretend they’re not mature enough to bed, but can DRIVE.

  • pparets

    HG said:

    They want to be seen as normal by the majority of society…

    I think you have it backwards… they want to see themselves as normal. To do that, they need society’s approval in the form of appropriate laws.

    Once that is accomplished, I predict they will go after the legal definition of pedophelia, arguing that a 16 year-old is mature enough to make sexual decisions about relations with an adult.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    It’s a bit more complicated than that. For example Florida as brought up:

    The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits an adult under the age of 24 to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor no younger than the age of 16.

  • http://royjacobsen.squarespace.com/ Roy Jacobsen

    I find myself completely in agreement with Sir Elton here. For me, it’s about what marriage is, and not about who get’s what rights.

    I’m not one who says that gay marriage is “wrong;” to me it’s a nonsensical question, because you can’t have a marriage between two people of the same sex. (And I don’t care what stupid laws anybody passes about it; sometimes the law is an ass.) A man can’t marry a man in the same way that a man can’t marry a horse or an easy chair.

    (BTW: Zsa Zsa, IANAL, but I believe that a marriage recognized by the state IS a marriage. People have been going to the county courthouse to get married for quite some time now, and most of them would be quite offended if you said they weren’t married. The judge would disagree as well.)

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Woof is that in sheep years?

  • Pilgrim

    16? Try that in Louisiana and…You. Go. To. Jail. Period.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    WOOF knows his jail bait!

  • HG

    Pparets,

    You should have said 12 instead of 16. I don’t know that they even want an age limit at all.

  • WOOFX

    Woof is that in sheep years?

    Cattle is chattel Butch.

  • WOOFX

    It’s legal most states

    legal for an adult male or female to have sex with a sixteen year-old of either sex.

    Together and/or separately.

  • WOOFX

    AGE of consent

    Arkansas
    16
    California
    18
    Colorado
    15
    Connecticut
    15
    D.C.
    16
    Delaware
    16
    Florida
    16/18 (bill pending)
    Georgia
    16
    Hawaii
    14
    Idaho
    14
    Mississippi
    16 – [2]If the female is over 12, the status applies only to virgins.

    http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html

  • WOOFX

    Alaska 16 yrs legal for all sex. Think Levi/Bristol

    Apparently all homosexual acts are illegal in Florida.

    http://teenadvice.about.com/library/weekly/qanda/blageofconsentchart.htm

  • WOOFX

    That’s the law, most parts of the US.

    arguing that a 16 year-old is mature enough to make sexual decisions about relations with an adult.

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