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It’s religious intolerance, regularly practiced by lefties against Christianity.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

I bet nothing would have been done if it was a Muslim family trying to adopt a child. What happened to our rights in regards to freedom of religion and isn’t this a form of discrimination, which the liberal left abhores? I dont get it to be honest with you. This only proves that the liberal left talks out out of both sides of the mouth. Besides, who are they to day that a child cant be adopted, everything the liberal left does is backed by the addage of “its for the children”. Well, obviously they dont care about this child one bit and rather let the child have no family.  What about this “tolerance” they speak so much about, and how conservatives don’t tolerate anything. We are forced to tolerate a lot more than we would, but if any of us opened our mouth, phrases such as “racist”, “bigot”, would be thrown to such individual. I just wish people could see how the liberal left is nothing but a bunch of hot air bag hippocrites. That is all they are.

patriot out

This just goes to show that you can’t legislate tolerance without legislating intolerance.  You can’t force tolerance--that’s an act of intolerance in and of itself.

I understand that it can be difficult to be accepting of people who are less open-minded, or who appear to be less open-minded, but if we respect individual freedom and liberty, we can’t legislate that Christian foster parents have to be accepting of homosexuals.  I’m with Rob in that I have nothing at all against gay people, and believe that they should enjoy every right that straight people do.  But that doesn’t mean I think everybody else in the world has to think the way I do!

Isn’t in funny, I posted this story on the Reader Blog, but Rob chose to post it here and not mention my post? Maybe the new baby is clouding his ability to see other posts on the same subject!

I bet nothing would have been done if it was a Muslim family trying to adopt a child.

No bet! They wouldn’t dare, the Muslim community would be rioting in the streets.

Well, obviously they don’t care about this child one bit and rather let the child have no family.

Actually, in Europe there is a widespread attitude growig that Christianity, especially Pentecostal or Evangelical are forms of child abuse and France for instance has taken a few children away from such homes, because such familial indoctrination of their own children into Christian beliefs is child abuse.

What about this “tolerance” they speak so much about, and how conservatives don’t tolerate anything.

Tolerance means to accept and do not oppose in any way the things liberals want tolerated, but they defend your right to not tolerate things they do not tolerate.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Isn’t in funny, I posted this story on the Reader Blog, but Rob chose to post it here and not mention my post?

It is neither the first time this has happened, nor are you the first to whom it has happened.  Most folks, rather than make an issue of it, realize that Rob probably doesn’t keep track of every post and comment, and they simply append a comment to his post to make him aware of the oversight.

He has always been conscientious about acknowledging the mistake, although he’s probably going to be pretty busy for the nest couple days.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Neiman - Isn’t in funny, I posted this story on the Reader Blog, but Rob chose to post it here and not mention my post?

There’s a link to your post. First one. It was there last night when this was posted.

When Rob links to a reader’s post and doesn’t add much of his own commentary, comments to his post are turned off. When he references a reader’s post and adds his own commentary like he did here, the comments to his post are left on.

Nieman, he linked to you; you’ve got credit, if obliquely.  I’ve been honored the time or two that Rob’s linked my posts, for what it’s worth.

Personally, I think this goes beyond mere anti-Christian bigotry, although there may be some here.  Rather, it’s a basic rejection of reality; the fact that there is nothing healthy or “gay” about homosexuality.

For example, the likelihood of HIV infection; the CDC estimates about 400,000 to 500,000 HIV infections due to male-male contact.  The best estimates of the rate of adult homosexuality are 2-3%, or somewhere between 1 and 2 million adult male homosexuals.  Hence, the odds of a specific homosexual male carrying HIV is somewhere between 20% and 50%.

Can you say “playing roulette with a round in three chambers”?

So....these kids can’t have a home because the parents have a belief system that isn’t 100% PC. Hmmmm. But - don’t the gays howl when their opponents resist them adopting children?

Both are stupid, stupid reasons for a kid not to have a home. Yeah, let’s send them back to a state group home or a temporary foster shelter because their potential adoptive parents aren’t politically correct or because they’re gay.

Someone should point out that it’s not about you or your beliefs - it’s about the kids, dammit.

Stupid, stupid people.

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Likwidshoe and Bike Bubba: Thanks so much, I hadn’t realized the words in blue were a link to my post, I ignored them. Well here is another admission of my ignorance, and apology for another one of my not infrequent errors, a sincere mea culpa and a promise to flagellate myself thoroughly, whilst sitting around in sackcloth and ashes! <- To Middle Ages?

Pilgrim, as I said earlier to liberals this is about the kids, saving them from the emotional abuse of religious indoctrination by mentally disturbed religious people.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I forgot to add: This is not my first error here, but I promise it will not be my last!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Umm… what if the children in question were homosexual? Do we know from the story that they are not?

Because, while “I have nothing against” Christians, I do have problem with placing a homosexual kid in a home where he spends the next few years of his childhood berated for his natural urges and told that there is something wrong with him.

Not exactly an environment conducive to the development of a healthy psyche.

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

...I do have problem with placing a homosexual kid in a home where he spends the next few years
of his childhood berated for his natural urges and told that there is something wrong with him.

Assuming facts not in evidence.  Further, it’s not yet established that there is a genetic basis for homosexuality, thus the term “natural urges” is speculative, at best.  Finally, you reveal that you really do have something against Christians, by the way you characterize them in your imaginary situation.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

C’mon people....just how in the name of sanity can any of you think that keeping a set of loving people, gay or straight, Christian or vegan, from getting a kid out of the state run gladiator schools and into a home where he or she would at least have a fighting chance to be something is a wrong choice?

Do you think that this kid would be more psychologically damaged by the people who adopted him or her as their very own child or by being shuffled from foster family to foster family or being kept in some state run home?

Come on.

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Because, while “I have nothing against” Christians, I do have problem with placing a homosexual kid in a home where he spends the next few years of his childhood berated for his natural urges and told that there is something wrong with him.

“I have nothing against Christians,” then you go on to prove you have a lot against them. Try honesty!

First, this was about the foster parents not being supportive of the homosexual lifestyle, not the sexual preferences of the children. The state does not want any child raised in any home wherein there is the slightest risk they might be told that homosexuality is against God’s Word. It is anti-Chistian bias, hatred and intolerance by the state!

As was pointed out the state has no problem with a child being placed where homosexuality may be promoted as a healthy lifestyle choice or that might teach these children that Christianity is a fantasy and that Christians are to be hated, not tolerated. It is anti-Christian bias, official anti-Christian hatred by the state.

This is the natural result of decades of liberal policies of toleration, a most evil word; it must silence the Church, religion must be treated as a fantasy, the opiate of the masses so that the dreams of a socialist utopia will be able to grow unhindered. So, in six decades the world has been turned upside down, once Christianity was seen as normal and homosexuality was, as it should have been, seen as a perverse, unnatural lifestyle choice; now homosexuality is viewed as a normal sexual lifestyle and Christianity is a criminal belief system that is destructive of society.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Do you think that this kid would be more psychologically damaged by the people who adopted him or her as their very own child or by being shuffled from foster family to foster family or being kept in some state run home?

That depends on the family! If a child is brought into a home that is anti-Christian, atheist; I believe that will risk the child being eternally harmed. If they are raised in a home with two mommies or two daddies and are denied the balance to their emotional lives that is produced by a stable, two parent family, they are better in a two parent foster home. I could offer many examples, which I suspect you might all oppose, but I offer these only to say that in most cases, in my opinion, the child will be better off emotionally and spiritully in a stable, two parent foster home.

There is a way that seems right to a man, but it only produces destruction. It may be politically stylish to say even homosexual or other definitions of family are just as good if there is love in the home. But, what kind of love, what will it produce, how will it affect the child’s emotional and spiritual health? In all but stable, two parent Christian families, to varying degrees, the people are in those non-traditional family situations because the people involved were/are totally selfish humanbeings, wanting their own way, deciding they didn’t need any Christian values nonsense, they were going to love other peole their way or else. That is selfish love, it does not sacrifice everything for the temporal and eternal welfare of the children they profess to love, and what kind of love will these children believe is healthy when they grow up? Yep, the selfish, self-centered kind. In a stable, two parent family environment with Christian parents the couple have committed to a life together, no matter how hard at times and to do all they can to give their children healthy emotional and spiritual values, which is selfless love, self-sacrificing love. Which kind of love will these children more likely embrace as they grow up? Yep, selfless love, self-sacrificing love.

So, yes they are better off in the Foster Care system than have their values perverted and their love twisted into getting what they want any cost!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President (1801-1809)

“Christianity ... (has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ... Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers ...”

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Pilgrim, I don’t know how foster care vs. “state home for the brutalized” works out in terms of statistics, but Michelle Malkin, I think, did a series a year or so back that established that one of the most dangerous places for kids, in terms of arrests/convictions for abuse and molestation, is foster care. 

I don’t know whether the issue is more abuse, or people watching more closely, but I can’t quibble with very stringent monitoring of who takes in foster kids.

“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also.” Thomas Jefferson

”God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.” - Thomas Jefferson

“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: ‘that God governs in the affairs of men.’ And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?” - Benjamin Franklin

“I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am perfectly satisfied that the Union of the States in its form and adoption is as much the work of a Divine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testaments.” - Benjamin Rush

“There is not a truth to be gathered from history more certain, or more momentous, than this: that civil liberty cannot long be separated from religious liberty without danger, and ultimately without destruction to both. Wherever religious liberty exists, it will, first or last, bring in and establish political liberty.” - Joseph Story, Congressman and Supreme Court Justice

“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority for that law which is divine...far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.” - James Wilson (signatory of the Constitution)

“(T)he propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained” - George Washington, First Inaugural, April 30 1789

Jefferson despised the perversions of Christianity imposed by a ruling priestly class, by those that used religion as a mask for human mischief, rather than those that submitted to Christ. It is a mistake to believe he was anti-Christian, he was simply anti-religion, to which I whole heartedly agree! Many are the quotations that can be offered and misused; but the letter to the Danbury Baptists, perverted by the former KKK Justice of the Supreme Court Hugo Black, wherein Jefferson made it clear he was no enemy of Christ or the Church, nor would he impose a national denomination of any kind, nor was he disposed in any way to make the Creator and the State enemies.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Bubba:

The thing with foster care is that it’s nearly ALWAYS temporary. It’s not adoption. The kid only stays until adopted - or until a new foster family is found. And the cycle starts again.

That’s why so many cases of delinquincy spring up in foster care situations. The kids know or think that nobody really gives a shit - so why should they?

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Pilgrim--you’re probably right on that count.  What I was getting at, though, was foster parents abusing the children, not kids taking advantage of foster parents not being “on” to them.

(though the two things may be linked)

Or are you suggesting that foster kids may be far more likely to make false accusations?  (again, no big argument from me on that, either)

Well at least I am glad that I am finally informed that I was abused as a child because I grew up in an evangelical Christian home with parents who loved me and did everything they could to raise me the way they saw best.  Am I brainwashed to think they did a good job?  The libs would obviously think so since I am a Christian and believe that God’s word is against homosexuality.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Bubba -

I can’t quoate any stats but I’ve seen instances of foster kids making false accusations against their foster parents because they didn’t like them or they didn’t like being disciplined. It happens.

I have ALSO seen foster kids who had genuilnely been abused - violently and/or sexually - by the foster folks.

One girl tried to burn the house down - at night while the fosters were sleeping. Nice touch.

The whole point of my initial comment wasa that kids need homes. And if a loving, stable, financially secure couple -NO MATTER WHAT THEIR RELIGION OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION - want to take a kid out of that kind of hell, then why should anyone try to stop them?

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Pilgrim, the only thing I can say is that we need to check to make sure the alternative won’t be worse.  I doubt you’d disagree with that. 

(do the background checks and all)

Thomas Jefferson:
If there is a more self-deceived individual in American history I can only think of Jimmy Carter.
Vivian Carter once commented concerning her sons, “I should have stayed a virgin.”

You guys are kind of weird. I guess the topic brought the evangelicals out of the woodworks.

Do you think that this kid would be more psychologically damaged by the people who adopted him or her as their very own child or by being shuffled from foster family to foster family or being kept in some state run home?

Let me reiterate. I have no problem with even a hardcore “Jesus is the only answer” family adopting a kid. I do have a problem if—according to my imaginary situation—the kid were a homosexual and the family wanted to adopt him in order to purge him of his wicked ways. I don’t think that’s good for kid or family. Someone is going to end up in jail at some point. Jail that TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR (my appeal to conservatism ).

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

P.S., I put my “I have nothing against Christians” point in quotations (above) because I meant for it to sound a hypocrital as the “I have nothing against homosexuals” points that everyone seems to be disclaiming here.

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Neiman you constantly amaze me.

Keep up the good work.  I learned more today about Jefferson than I knew.

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Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

I do have a problem if—according to my imaginary situation—the kid were a homosexual and the family wanted to adopt him in order to purge him of his wicked ways.

Do you have any evidence at all that this has ever occurred?  How much of your day is spent in dreaming up this sort of antiChristian stuff?
It’s far more likely that some Muslims would adopt a Christian kid in order to purge him of his wicked ways, but you seem to be focused on people who aren’t terrorists, instead.  Nice.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Do you have any evidence at all that this has ever occurred?

No. I was just asking.

How much of your day is spent in dreaming up this sort of antiChristian stuff?

I dunno. Between confessions I suppose. Then I get my absolution and I’m back to my old anti-christian ways.

It’s far more likely that some Muslims would adopt a Christian kid in order to purge him of his wicked ways, but you seem to be focused on people who aren’t terrorists, instead.

I’m focused on the post. If someone posted a thread about the state denying muslim foster parents the right to adopt a christian kid, I’d ask the same question.

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

I’m focused on the post. If someone posted a thread about the state denying muslim foster parents the right to adopt a christian kid, I’d ask the same question.

Fair enough; thanks for clearing that up.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

The problem here is that they worry for the CHILDREN, because there is a possibility they might be gay.

I wouldn’t want to give children to parents who would reject their foster kids if they turned out gay either. 

This isn’t about the parents, its about the CHILDREN.

I bet not one of you thought of that, did ya?

Hannitized:

Read my above comments, genius.

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Read my above comments, genius.

Pilgrim: Hannitized can’t even be bothered to read everything that he posts, why should he read yours?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof,

Good point, sir.

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So to avoid a 2% chance that Christian parents might reject a child because he’s gay, we risk a 25% chance that gay parents might reject a child because he’s an evangelical Christian--or a 90% chance that gay parents might reject a Christian child of any type.  We also riak a 100% chance that reducing the pool of adoptive parents will reduce the chances that a child has to get out of the orphanage or foster care.

Got it.  Looks like Hannitized and Hairy need to bone up on Type 1 and Type 2 errors, as does this adoption agency.

Oh, and for what it’s worth, most Christian parents of gay children DON’T reject their own children.  They speak against the behavior, and plead for their repentance, but outright rejection is rare.  So the alpha/beta ratio is even worse than the stats I’ve presented above.

I wouldn’t want to give children to parents who would reject their foster kids if they turned out gay either. 

This isn’t about the parents, its about the CHILDREN.

That is what I said, liberals will insist this and everything else they want to ptomote is for the children. It isn’t, but it sounds so sweet.

If it were about the children they would want that child to benefit by being in a Foster Home or being adaopted into a stable, two parent family; which means many of them will have Christian beliefs. Or, you can make sure they are placed into a home wherein the two mommies or two daddies have selfishly denied their children the emotional and spiritual benefits of having a mother and father, in a stable family relationship; and wherein they will be encouraged to explore perverse sexual realtionships, deny their heterosexual tendencies and wherein they are taught that Christians are criminals (hate thought crimes), narrow minded and that by believing in Christ they abuse their children.

Yeah, it is all about the children. Horsecrap! It is about liberal indoctrination and anti-Christian bias and the children are just socialist fodder, expendable human beings (abortion) and at the end of the day, most liberals don’t really love these children at all. If they are inconvenient, liberals just kill them anyway!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.