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Thursday, April 24, 2008

Chickenhawks And Double Standards

Can we call Hillary and Obama chickenhawks?

Don’t both of them claim to want to keep American troops fighting in Afghanistan? Didn’t “chickenhawk Hill” just threaten to obliterate Iran if it attacks Israel? Didn’t “Barack the chickenhawk” threaten to invade Pakistan?

Yet, how much time has Barack Obama spent in the military? Not one day. But, that’s understandable, right? I mean those barbarians probably don’t even provide soldiers with arugula for their MREs. But still, I guess it would be fair to say, as Senator Lautenberg put it, that Obama shrieks, “like a hawk, but (has) the backbone of the chicken.”

Isn’t it funny how the whole “chickenhawk argument” was such a oft-discussed, “crucial” point back in 2004, but today, now that the shoe’s on the other foot, not a liberal soul who was making that argument seems to think it has the least bit of validity any more?

I’ve always found the chickenhawk argument to be patently absurd, and inconsistently applied by those who employ it.  If it is true that one must have served in the military in order to support deploying our troops overseas into war zones, then Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton (each of whom support the war in Afghanistan) are by definition “chickenhawks” given their lack of any military service at all.

Of course, personally I’ve always recognized that our military is beholden to civilian leadership and that all citizens have the right to a freely-expressed opinion about this nation’s foreign policy.  Military isn’t a prerequisite for having an opinion on foreign policy any more than it is a prerequisite for voting.

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Yes, you can call them Chickenhawks.  Now where are you?  This post was pointless Rob.

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 10:11 am

Pointing out the absurdity of the chickenhawk meme will be seen as pointless by those too dumb to understand the lesson.

likwidshoe on April 24, 2008 at 10:17 am
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Hannitized, do you really want to live in a country where only those who have served in the military are qualified to set war policy?  Because I think you’d find that our foreign policy would become a lot more hawkish, and not at all to your liking.

I mean, I’m generally pretty hawkish on foreign policy and I don’t even want that.


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Rob on April 24, 2008 at 10:19 am
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A chicken hawk is one who supports war, even an immoral one such as the Iraq war. 
These people, however, would never serve, leaving the fighting and dying to others.  Examples are the many members of Congress who support this war but who would not themselves go; their kids, most of whom are not in the military; the Young College Republicans, who are so vocal when it comes to defending the war but so unwilling to do any of the fighting themselves.
Obama is no chicken hawk; he opposes the war; Hillary is too old, and Chelsea probably opposes the war also. If these pro-war people would walk the walk instead of talking the talk, the military would not have to resort to inducting felons.

selenafan on April 24, 2008 at 04:12 pm
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Obama is no chicken hawk; he opposes the war; Hillary is too old, and Chelsea probably opposes the war also. If these pro-war people would walk the walk instead of talking the talk, the military would not have to resort to inducting felons.

Neither Hillary nor Obama oppose the war in Afghanistan.  Are they chickenhawks for that, or do you only get to use that argument for wars you don’t like?


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Rob on April 24, 2008 at 04:39 pm

Selenafan,

I suppose it just escaped your notice, but a substantial number of those you’re so quick to label “chickenhawks” for supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan as well, have already served honorably in the military.  And by your own inestimably childish “chickenhawk” argument we are the ones who ought too be determining US defense and military policy, and not whiny adolescents with no experience… like those children who bandy about stupid Big Bird arguments.


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Bat One on April 24, 2008 at 05:14 pm
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Pointing out the absurdity of the chickenhawk meme will be seen as pointless by those too dumb to understand the lesson.

A chickenhawk, is a chickenhawk, is a chickenhawk. 

Are you going to argue the definition of Chickenhawk now, genius?

Hannitized on April 25, 2008 at 12:28 am
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Hannitized, do you really want to live in a country where only those who have served in the military are qualified to set war policy?

No.  But I expect people who are pushing for wars that are controversial and that create situations where we have to stop loss troops who have done their duty, encourage their children to serve.

Im weird.

Hannitized on April 25, 2008 at 12:30 am

people who are pushing for wars that are controversial

Controversial? Like WWI, WWII, the U S Civil War, the U S War of Independence...wars like that? Hell, birdbrain! They’ve ALL been “controversial”!
Sheesh! What a stupid troll!


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* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

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