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Thanks.  I enjoyed the replay of a great speech by an icon.

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Remember when Warner Bros. threw out all the electronic media before he read the words to “cop killer”?  I heard this repeated today on the radio and remembered the news story after he revealed The Truth to the stockholders.  Funny how simply reading the vile, nasty, disgusting, racist words of the rappers they were making money off finally did the trick.  I wonder why certain people never denounced Time Warner for their millions of dollars profit or the CEO’s salary?  Liberals.  It is so easy to reveal their dirty lies.

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I remember thinking he was a pandering lame-ass after this speech.  If he had any guts he would have held up an uzi or an AK…

If he had any guts he would have held up an uzi or an AK…

The difference between a “marksman” and those who “spray and pray”!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

That’s funny brad.  Why not a Stinger missle launcher he mentioned in the speech..?

But, he was just handed the weapon he held up. 

From my cold dead hands

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I am no fan of the NRA. They use cheap scare tactics.  They mislead and twist information.  Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of the right to bear arms.  I am a gun owner and recently obtained my conceal and carry permit. (which they pretty much just give to anyone that can sign their name...you don’t have to fire a round.  It is slightly harder than obtaining a fishing license)

I just feel that there is a significant faction of the NRA that is just as ‘whacko’ as any on the far left.

I just feel…

Great methodology! As a Life Member of the NRA, I “feel” that maybe you are misinformed, leading you to “twist information”.

I have seen no evidence in the thirty or so years I have been associated with the NRA that there is a “significant faction” of whackos there. Perhaps you have some that you would like to share with the rest of the class?

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I was dissapointed at their stance on the “Black Talon” issue.

I find the phone solicitations to be full of scare tactics. ie.....liberal-tree-huggers coming into my home and taking my firearms

The stance on assault weapons and the “slippery slope” that will then make me give up my 12 ga.

The fight over the ‘waiting period’.

The fight over the ‘plastic gun’ (non-metal firearm)

I also think that it should not be so easy to obtain a conceal and carry permit. (I don’t think this is an NRA issue) My ND test was an open book ten multiple choice questions, send in $25, get fingerprinted and I am carrying.  I have had guns my entire life and enjoy shooting and hunting and practice safety at all times.

I was dissapointed at their stance on the “Black Talon” issue.

I think they were trying to keep the camel’s nose out of the tent.  The anti-gunners want to prohibit, tax or regulate every firearm and round of ammunition out of existence (at least in private hands). The Black Talons I bought back in the day, I bought as defensive rounds. I never shot any cops or any other human beings. Banning them was bad on principle.

The fund raising stuff? Yeah! They probably get a little carried away there, but I mostly ignore that stuff. Fundraisers from anybody tend to view the worst case scenario that can only be stopped with your hard earned dollars. Unfortunately, some of their stuff about “jack booted thugs” was true!

...the “slippery slope” that will then make me give up my 12 ga.

Look at England and Australia or Massachusetts or NYC or Washington D.C. and then tell me how slippery the slope isn’t!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

sorry....I was interupted before I finished the last post.

Are all who seek to “carry” folks of the same practicality?

I was always taught that gun ownership is a responsibility.  Safety was the ultimate. From the time my brother and I had bb guns, to having my grandfather teach us how to shoot a 22 and a shotgun.

We have “The Right to bear arms” which is great.  We also have a responsibility with those arms.

To me the NRA is staunch.  There is no “gray” only “black and white”.  However there is “gray”.

Not everyone should have guns.
Not everyone should be allowed to be concealed.
Not everyone should have access to assault weapons.

and yes, I understand the argument that we already have laws on the books that are not being currently upheld.  I just think that the NRA would have more credibility with those of us in the ‘middle’, if they would make even some philosophical concessions.

Americans, unlike any other country, like to shoot each other.  Why do we shoot each other so much?

(Proof:  it was the fund-raising phonecalls that I kept getting that made me drop my membership)

Never got phone solicited by the NRA, so I can’t speak to that. It was the liberals that drove me to NRA membership. Out in California, David Roberti would introduce some draconian ban on all handguns, and I’d join the NRA for a year. Then I’d let it lapse, and sure enough, a couple years later, Roberti would be back with the same song and dance. After a while, it just got cheaper to become a life member, knowing that the Robertis and Feinsteins and Bradys of this world were not going away!

I don’t believe everybody should own a gun. Not everyone is willing to accept the responsibility that goes along with gun ownership. Of those who own guns, not everyone is prepared to take another person’s life, not even in self defense. For those people, a firearm should not be their primary means of self defense.
But, if the government is going to deny someone the ability to defend one’s self or one’s home, they’d better have a pretty darned good reason for it, better than “Dianne Feinstein dislikes ugly guns!”

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

brad, I agree with most of what you say.  The NRA does not want felons to have CWP.  The instant background check is endorsed by the NRA as well as penalties for falsely signing the form.  Law-abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns and have CWP, just like owning a car, a sword, or bow and arrows.
More people are killed with cars than guns.

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and yes, I understand the argument that we already have laws on the books that are not being currently upheld.  I just think that the NRA would have more credibility with those of us in the ‘middle’, if they would make even some philosophical concessions.

The problem is then with the middle. Making a concession cause it “seems nice” is a foolish reason to concede. This is not a marriage, it’s politics. The NRA understands that all “reasonable concessions about firearms” are a way to slowly ban firearms so the average Joe can’t get them. As Proof pointed out, the slippery slope is very real, and has taken gun owners rights away in several places (always with disasterous results).

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Kenny-
I think that concessions can logically be made without fear of a constitutional ammendment.  I do believe that when the constitution was written they could not imagine where we were 100 years ago, let alone today. 

I think that it was purposely left, somewhat, ambigous so that we have to ‘deal’ with it. (I have been enjoying the John Adams HBO series) The problem is that we don’t ‘deal’ with it.  The far left wacko’s and the far right wacko’s wreck everything for the middle majority....

no one wants idiots shooting up schools.  So do we ban all guns, no.  Do we make everyone carry?, no....
the answer is with the political process and we have had far to many years of a *#%$&# ‘ed up political process.  The right and the left are supposed to work together for a common good.

I ask the question again.  “Why do Americans shoot each other so much?”

I ask the question again.  “Why do Americans shoot each other so much?”

For one thing we’re overall a much more violent culture than others.  Rates of non firearm murders are also higher than other countries. 

Also you have to look at demographics.  If people in ND have a lot of legal guns and low crime and Washington DC has few legal guns and tons of crime you can’t blame the guns.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I wonder what you’d find if you worked out a murder rate/gun ratio and compared America to other countries.

Probably that our murder rate is very low compared to the number of guns we have.

And Whistler’s right: It’s a societal thing, not a gun thing.  American society is still very pioneer in nature.  We’ve only been a nation for just about two and a half centuries.

As compared to societies in Europe which have been organized a thousand years or more.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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brad.  Because in other communist countries, they have killed all the freedom lovers.  Stalin killed over one hundred million people.  The CHICOMS have killed about the same.  Same for Cuba, N. Korea and several other countries.  Ever tried to get reliable “FBI” statistics from a majority of the countries in the world?  NO?
Why not.  Maybe the don’t tell The Truth.  Just look at the Chinese killings in Tibet.  We don’t kill others as much as in England, Australia and many other countries.  Another difference is that we don’t punish felons, rapists, murderers like other countries do.  I will be glad to supply more, real examples to any rational adult here.

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Not everyone should have guns.
Not everyone should be allowed to be concealed.
Not everyone should have access to assault weapons.

That’s funny.

The Second Amendment of the US Constitution says otherwise:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Thus, the default setting is that of the free exercise of that right.  Like other rights, it can be abused and thus lost, such as felons losing the right to vote.  Government is under a due process burden to show why someone should not exercise that right, before that right can be denied.

That, Constitutionally, is how it should work.

Using the Constitution as a slalom gate rather than a guide, federal, state and local governments have arrogated the power to themselves to deny that right to millions of Americans without reason and without due process.

I can understand that some folks are too irresponsible and / or violent to allow them guns. 

That’s fine.  Look to the Constitution and follow due process. 

Don’t resort to Unconstitutional means to achieve a given end.

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