CBO Report: Top 20% Of Wage Earners Paid 68% Of The Taxes

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The left tells us that we shouldn’t cut taxes for the rich because the rich not only don’t need tax cuts, they’re not paying enough in taxes. The problem, based on the facts, is that it’s almost impossible to cut federal taxes for anyone but “the rich” given how lopsided the federal tax burden is distributed:

The top 20 percent of earners — the top quintile — bore 67.9 percent of the federal tax burden in 2009. The middle quintile paid 9.4 percent, while the lowest paid .03 percent of the federal tax burden.

This is not simply an ideological issue about tax rates and who should pay what. This is a societal issue. If a majority of the population is able to vote themselves larger government – more services, more goodies, etc., etc. – at the expense of a minority of the population we create a moral hazard whereby government spending grows irresponsibly.

Everyone needs some skin in the game. We might not see such enthusiastic support for bigger government if more citizens were carrying the burden of that government.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    1,2,3… Some Liberal Troll will come one here and say something stupid about how the Rich need to pay more.

    • ellinas1

      You know what Goon? I do not want you to be disappointed, therefore I will make your prediction come true:
      The Rich need to pay more taxes.

      • BBantam

        More? How much more? All of their sweat should be yours/

        • ellinas1

          I never knew a rich person that “sweated” for their riches, nor do  I want their sweat. Why would you ask such a thing?
          Having said that, they should pay in proportion to their income.

          • tony_o2

            “they should pay in proportion to their income”.  Define “they”.

            Are you talking about a flat tax in which everyone pays an equal rate?  Or just everyone who makes over a certain amount?  I don’t think those who currently pay no income tax will like the idea of paying the same rate as the rich.

            Which is why we currently have income brackets with different corresponding rates.

          • ellinas1

            Definition of “they”:  The ones with the dough.
            No I am not talking about a flat tax. 
            The poor may not pay income tax, but they sure pay other taxes.

          • robert108

            And those taxes are paid by everyone else, and at the same tax rate.  Are you claiming to have made a point?  Try valid reasoning.

          • robert108

            Their sweat is not for your benefit, you just want to live off of other peoples’ money.

  • Jay

    They’re not paying their gair share, Rob!

    Dakotacyr and Woof should be here to troy out that boring (and ridiculous) left-wing talking point in 3…2…1…

    • ellinas1

      Nah! Forget Dakotacyr. 
      Here you go: The rich are not paying their fair share 

  • Jay

    Fair*

    I despise typos.

    • Roy_Bean

      log in with DISQUS and when you post you get an “edit” button where the “like” would be.  then when you make a typo you can correct it.

  • Dakotacyr

    So let me get this straight, it’s socialism and class warfare to ask the top 1% to pay more but it is not when you ask those at the bottom who are struggling to pay more.

    And just exactly what does “skin in the game” mean? Those at the bottom pay sales tax, Medicare and social security taxes, state taxes.

    So take more from those least able to pay so they can have some skin in the game. That is hilarious!

    • nWo

      What are you, stupid or something?  Unbelieveable!

      • Dakotacyr

        Wow, what a brilliant response.

        • Geoff

          And there it is…….. Dakota, I love the very notion that the rich should pay more simply ” because they can”. Maybe the wealthy would be more willing if our federal government could show just a little restraint when it comes to spending.

          You r as delusional as woofy. Congrats. The poverty level in the US is still twenty to thirty times higher than most other countries.

          Matter of fact I was at a persons residence just the other day who were on welfare and food stamps and here is what I noticed. 2 flat screens, one over 50 inch , xbox360, two bottles of crown, 50 plus Xbox games and a carton of cigs each for hubby and wife…… Don’t tell me they can’t contribute something or at least get booted off food stamps.

          • ellinas1

            Did you ask said person how he/she can afford all those “riches” while on welfare?
            Please ask him/her and report back to us.

        • nWo

          Why thank you!  You are still a dumbass though! Just so you know.

          • Dakotacyr

            Really, another brilliant response. You must have taken a long time to come up with one.

          • Geoff

            And your brilliant respons is “because they can”?

          • nWo

            Thanks for continually illustrating my point that you are a still a dumbass!!  

          • Geoff

            Thanks for illustrating my point.  “Because they can they should”  food stamp day today, run down and get in line.

    • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

      Medicare and Social Security were sold as insurance programs supported by insurance premiums, not taxes.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Its socialism to redistribute wealth, Dakota.

    • Hmmm?

      And what is the percentage of those at the bottom who, after paying SS/FICA, get a big fat check full of credits that make their ACTUAL income tax burden a negative number?

      • Hmmm?

        Getting back MORE than what you paid in on a tax return. That is not “skin in the game.”

    • howiseeit

      So what you are saying is please take all my money so I can get everything for free.  Never mind that the level of government spending is and remains unsustainable. 

    • BBantam

      If that is hilarious, you have no sense of humor. But, you are also lacking in the understanding of fairness. Those less gifted, less able, less diligent, less proficient want what isn’t theirs. Envy comes to mind.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    For all of last year, the economy grew by only 1.7%.
    In the second year of Reagan’s recovery, the economy boomed by a real rate of
    6.8%, the highest in 50 years.
    The poverty rate, which had started increasing during the Carter years, declined
    every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak.
    The Census Bureau reports falling real wages under Obama, kicking median family
    income back over 10 years. Census also reports more Americans in poverty today
    than at any time in the more than 50 years that Census has been tracking
    poverty.

    There is no economic theory under which increasing tax rates promotes economic
    growth and recovery, particularly rate increases on job creators and investors.
    Even under Keynesian economics, such tax increases are contractionary.

    Obama says we tried the Bush tax cuts for “the rich” and they didn’t work. So
    let’s review how exactly they did work out. Bush cut the top income tax rate by
    11.6%, from 39.6% to 35%, and the second highest rate by about 8%, from 36% to
    33%. But he cut the lower rates by higher percentages, including slashing the
    bottom rate by 33%, from 15% to 10%. Then in 2003, he cut the tax rates on
    capital, reducing the capital gains tax rate by 25% from 20% to 15%, and the tax
    rate on corporate dividends to 15% as well.

    Consequently, the Bush tax cuts helped to extend the Reagan boom for 25 years,
    until 2008. By then, the government had induced the financial crisis, through
    regulations looting the banks for subprime mortgages demanded in the name of
    affordable housing for the poor and minorities, and through the Fed’s cheap
    dollar monetary policies, which began the restoration of perverse Keynesian
    economics.

    DUMP OBAMA AND WATCH AMERICA GROW

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/07/11/a-second-term-will-be-terminal/2

  • Caeslinger

    This discussion about rates, is getting away from the real debate of simplifying/doing away with parts of the tax code to ease the overall burden on businesses and individuals in this country.  The corporate tax code especially in this country should be converted wholly to a consumption tax.  A simpler tax code for individual income with lower rates is not that great of a burden that it couldn’t be kept.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Generally speaking, Im for simplifying and flattening the tax code.

  • VocalYokel

    THE  TAX  SYSTEM  EXPLAINED  IN  BEER

    Every day ten men go out for a beer, and the bill is $100.
    They wish to pay the bill the same way we pay our taxes, so it breaks down like this…

    The first four men (the poorest) pay nothing.
    The fifth man pays $1.00
    The sixth pays $3.00
    The seventh pays $7.00
    The eighth pays $12.00
    The ninth pays $18.00
    The tenth man (the richest) pays $59.00

    And that’s what they decide to do.

    These ten men drank in that same bar every day and were quite happy with the arrangement, until one day the owner approached and said, “Since you are such good customers, I’m going to reduce your daily round of beer by $20.00.”
    So now a round of beer cost $80.00.

    The group decided to keep paying their tab in the same manner.

    The first four men were unaffected. They still drank for free.

    But what about the other six…the paying customers?
    How could they divide up the $20.00 reduction so everyone would get his fair share?
    $20.00 divide by six is  $3.33, but if they subtracted that from everyone’s share, the fifth and sixth man would each wind up getting paid to drink their beer.

    The bar owner suggested they follow the principle of the tax system and reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, and they worked out the amounts each would now pay.

    Now the fifth man, like the first four, drank for free… (100% savings)
    The sixth man now paid $2.00 instead of $3.00… (33% savings)
    The seventh man now paid $5.00 instead of $7.00… (28% savings)
    The eighth man now paid $9.00 instead of $12.00…(25% savings)
    The ninth man now paid $14.00 instead of $18.00…(22% savings)
    The tenth now paid $49.00 instead of $59.00…(16% savings)

    Each of the paying customers was better off than before, and now five of the men drank for free.
    But outside the bar, the men began comparing the amounts they saved.

    “I only got a dollar out of the $20.00″ said the sixth man. He pointed at the tenth man and said, “But he got $10.00!”
    “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too…it’s unfair that he saved ten times as much as me!”
    “That’s true,” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10.00 back when I only got $2.00…the wealthy get all the tax breaks!”
    Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all…this new system exploits the poor!”

    So the nine men beat the tenth man up.

    The next night the tenth man didn’t show up, and the other nine sat down and had their beers without him.
    But when the bill arrived, they discovered they didn’t have enough money between them for even half the total!

    And that boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how the tax system works.
    The people who already pay the most in taxes will get the most benefit from a tax reduction.

    Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just might not show up anymore.
    In fact they just might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

    For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
    For those who don’t, no explanation is possible.

    Thanx and ‘Semper Fi’ to Retired_MSgt_Marana_AZ

    ========================================================
    FREE the Leavenworth 10 !

     

    • WOOF

      The rich guy owns the brewery .
      He drinks at his country club.
      One guys a barback, he drinks what the rother guys leave in their glasses.
      Other guys work for the rich guy and drink their labor.
      The bartender works for tips.

      The rich has rarely been in a bar full of people below his class.

      He pulled his V12  Mercedes into a redneck bar in Ga.
      He entered wearing his platinum Rolex and tasseled Gucci loafers.
      Rednecks eyeballed him.
      He  ordered a a dry martini with a twist.
      The bartender asked where he was from ?
      Guy Replied Texas.

      Bartender: What do you do ?
      Guy ” Taxidermy”

      Bartender : What’s that ?
      Guy : “I mount animals.”

      BARTENDER SHOUTS:
      It’s all right .
      He’s one of us.

      • robert108

        Thanks for the primer in discredited Marxist theory.

        • WOOF

          Did Ayn Rand and Ron Paul discredit Marxist theory
           while cashing their Social Security checks ?

          • mikemc1970

            No, the Soviet Union discredited it.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Did Total gop DOOOOOOOSH and on and off again Ayn Rand lover, Paul Ryan, discredit Marxist theory by cashing in his Social Security checks?

            When Representative Paul Ryan was 16 years old, tragedy struck his family. His 55 year old father had passed away from a heart attack. Young Paul Ryan found his father’s lifeless body and
            was burdened by the fact that he had to tell his mother and siblings of this horrible situation.

            After his father’s passing, young Paul Ryan started collecting social security benefits until the age of 18 years old. He took this benefit and saved it for his college education. Representative Paul Ryan is one
            example of the millions of people whose lives have depended on our social contract with the American people. Without this benefit, his mother would have had to make even tougher decisions and representative Paul Ryan may not have been able to pay for his college education. This social contract lifted him and his entire family out of a tough
            situation.

            http://www.politicususa.com/paul-ryan-social-security.html

          • mikemc1970

            No, the Soviet Union discredited it.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            The Soviet Union issued Social Security checks to Total DOOOOOOSH gop Ryan?

          • mikemc1970

            No the USSR proved Marxism is a failed ideology, therefore discrediting it.

          • robert108

            Besides your juvenile namecalling, you make no sense.  Why are you trying to change the subject to Paul Ryan?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            I don’t know. Why were you trying to change the subject to Marxist theory?

          • robert108

            With obama, you, Woof and the other lefties here, the subject is always Marxist theory, as you all relentlessly push its discredited ideology.
            So, I didn’t change the subject.
            Why did you try to change it to Paul Ryan?

          • ellinas1

            “As I said, trying to communicate with you is spitting into the wind, never producing any positive results.”
            Name witheld by request: on 06/29/2011 in reply to robert180

          • Awfulorv

            I have an friend who long ago provided for his  retirement through the following expedient. After watching illegal Mexicans have benefits practically forced on them by overzealous, liberals, intent on giving California back to them, with your money, he decided to, before the money was all gone, do the following. When applying for his Social Security card he professed to be newly arrived from Norway, and with the aid of an expert application of makeup, avowed on the form that he was forty six years of age, instead of the sixteen he actually was. As a result of this chicanery he was able to work for only twenty years, as the firemen, police, and teachers do, and  has been living on the beach, in various countries, last in Portugal, for thirty years and expects to, depending on his health, last another twenty years. 

          • robert108

            Every attempt to force Marxist theory on a population has failed miserably, but it is discredited because it’s based upon false beliefs.  One of those false beliefs is Marx’s labor theory of value, which is not only false, but leads to economic stagnation through suppression of economic growth(profit).

          • robert108

            SS isn’t Marxist; it’s a Ponzi scheme.  Everyone who had their money confiscated for that Ponzi scheme deserves to get it back.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Why shouldn’t they cash THEIR checks?  Didn’t your silly leftist FDR insist it was their money being held for them?  Wasn’t the eco-terrorist inventor of the internet Goracle that said that money was being forcibly removed saved for them was being put in a “lock box” even though we all know it was going into the general fund? 

            It’s their money, if you get all pissed up because they’re taking their money back from the system then perhaps your Marxist program shouldn’t have taken said dollars from them to begin with.

  • Matthew

    Did the top 20% earn 68% of the money?

    That is the question you need to ask before you post something as ignorant as this?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      That question might be relevant if we didnt have a progressive tax code.

      You do know that more income means higher rates, right genius? Have you ever filed a tax return?

      • Matthew

         And we should have a progressive tax code.

        But the question is still relevant.  The way you pose the question you assume 68% is unfair for the top 20%.  As if them paying 20% would be fair.

        You can’t have a serious discussion until you have the real numbers, which you don’t care about.  But that is largely because you don’t want a serious discussion, you want a talking point.

        • robert108

          “And we should have a progressive tax code.”

          Why?  Please explain, using economic reasoning.  A flat tax rate for all Americans still has the achievers paying far more in taxes than the average American.  Why not everybody have some skin in the game, and those who earn more pay a higher amount, but not a higher rate.  It’s really about knowing basic arithmetic.
          Sounds like you want to use the tax code to enforce your sociopolitical ideology, instead of having all Americans pitch in for the basic expenses of limited govt.

  • Dakotacyr

    Yeah, well I ain’t feeling so bad. That same report says that between 1997 and 2007 the top 1%’s income grew by 275% and the bottom only by 18%. So I guess II know who should put more skin into the game.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      That’s because the poor don’t stay poor. Those numbers that break the population into income groups and then measure growth don’t take into account the fact that most people get richer and move into other income groups. The top 1% always look like theyre getting richer because the top 1% are always the top whereas the bottom 1% move up over time.

      If we were to apply your thinking to age demographics, instead of saying “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer” wed say “the old get older and the young get younger”

      Which I’d ridiculous.

      • Dakotacyr

        Not true since the big crash.

        • Matthew

           Not true ever. 

          Statistically, people who change classes are outside the norm.

          • robert108

            Congratulations on your Euro thinking, but we don’t have an hereditary class structure in this country.  We are free to move up or down as we choose, as far as income is concerned.

          • Awfulorv

            Unless you’re a working white male, that is. Should you aspire to the financial heights, but appear too pale of hue, you will find yourself, tax wise, in the old IRS two step. Three steps forward, two steps backward, three forward, two back, three, two. Till, as is quite often the case, you give up the dance, and discover the soothing qualities of liquor…

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Statistically, people who change classes are outside the norm.

            Really?  People don’t generally become more affluent as they age?

            You are divorced from reality, kid.

    • robert108

      Your numbers prove that the achievers contribute more to our economy than the others.

  • mikemc1970

    And why shouldn’t they pay more? How dare they be successful. How dare they try to inspire people in the lower classes through example, to reach for a life they’ll never be able to achieve without mother government giving them the means to do so. /BHO

  • sbark

    Once again, the Dem’cats think they can simply change human nature with one of their “religions”…….big taxation….and then force another of their “religions” (big Govt) with even higher spending—-They lied to Reagan and HW about any intentions of ever cutting spending………

    Historically, what is the figure—approx 21% —that is the limit of taxation a person will put up with.    After that they move (as in Maryland),  they simply drop off non-productive activity ( Going Gault even before Obama Elected),  they find tax shelters,   they dont file ( Dachle, Giethner and 1000’s others in DC)………..or they break the law…….

    The Left doesnt realize the amount of Govt force it would take….ie 16000 IRS agents,  but then again Force and Violence is part and parcel of Dem’o’cat playbook.

  • Curtis

    No need to argue
    political/economic philosophy at this point. We have multiple working models
    which incorporate playbooks from each side of the aisle. A couple of examples-

    Left of center
    California: How are they doing?

    Right of center
    Texas: How are they doing?

    • robert108

      TX is ahead in wealth/job creation, CA is ahead in unemployment/debt creation.

      • Gern Blanston

        …and bankrupt cities.

    • robert108

      There’s only one “playbook” that works, and that’s the American free enterprise system.  Central planning and economic fascism don’t work, and it’s showing.

  • WOOF

    In terms of per capita income , wealth, educaton, health California is ahead.

    Texas is ahead in having more people below the poverty line

    • Patrick R. Pfeiffer

      Yeah other than the fact that California is bankrupt and billions in debt and their largest cities are declaring bankruptcy shit is just going great there!

      • ellinas1

        California’s deficit, is pegged at $25.4 billion through the upcoming budget year.Texas faces a budget deficit estimated as high as $27 billion for the upcoming  budget year.
        You were saying?

        • Onslaught1066

           He was saying that your state is going bankrupt, and it is.

          Are you saying that a $ 25.4 Billion deficit is a good thing?

          Are all greek pederasts as stupid as you or are you a “special” case?

          • ellinas1

            He said that all the while the conversation centered around California and Texas. Like Texas is some economic miracle that is unscathed by the current state of the economy.
            I responded with their respective budget shortfalls.
            Are all american wing nuts  as stupid as you or are you a “special” case?

          • Onslaught1066

             What a cute little pederast you are, why you even feel you have some how made a point all by your little self.

            Why don’t you take a couple of boys out of petty cash and turn in early.

            Your little brain stem must be overheating with your vain effort to appear relevant.

          • ellinas1

            Whatever you say Joe with the dickhead avatar.
            Are all american right wing nuts as stupid as you or are you a “special” case?

          • two_amber_lamps

             Means so much from the Greekling left wing queer nut!! 

            Bahahahahahaahahhaaa!

            Hello Ellinasty!  How are you today? 

          • ellinas1

            Hello 
            mevrouwtje Amber.
            I am fine. Thank you for asking.
             Means so much from the right wing queer nut!!  

          • two_amber_lamps

            Ah, the Stockton Sodomite speaks!  I hear your fair town has filed bankruptcy.  With citizens like you they certainly have the moral bankruptcy market cornered!! 

            BRaahahahahahahahhaa!!

            I have neither the time or the inclination to look up that smack you babble.  Try sticking to English instead of that third world eurotrash, people might actually pay attention to you, then again probably not!

            So you certainly have a fixation with animal mating rituals…  what exactly do you aim to portray with your little “Wild Kingdom” moments?   Please explain yourself so we can get a better understanding of what goes on inside the mind of a twisted pederast.  Is that the picture you have in your head as you the dominant bird as you sodomize some poor 12 year old boy?  Chrissakes, turn yourself in you degenerate…  !!! 

        • robert108

          To paraphrase “God Damn America” Wright:  Unionist greed leaves America in need.

        • Patrick R. Pfeiffer

          Goes to show the propensity of politicans to spend money knows no boundires. 

          However, while Texas is indeed facing a projected deficit at this it’s hardly an apples-to-apples comparison to CA.  First the $27 billion figure is high; second that’s a 2-year number; third TX has no state income tax so it’s not a deficit on top of an ecomony already soaked with taxes and fourth it’s a much lower percentage of their economy.  As always, the devil is in the details.  More here:
          http://www.nationalreview.com/exchequer/256614/no-paul-krugman-texas-not-broke

          • ellinas1

            The devil is indeed in the details.

    • Curtis

      Adjust
      income and wealth for inflation in CA.

      Education is
      great if jobs are available.  But current tax codes in CA are pushing jobs out of state.

      http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-san-bernardino-bankruptcy-20120712,0,2433019.story

    • Morrile4

      Ahead of Texas? Surely you jest. California is even behind Arizona which is why Californicators are flooding into the neighbouring state (and into more than half of the remaining states).

      • ellinas1

        California’s deficit, is pegged at $25.4 billion through the upcoming budget year.Texas faces a budget deficit estimated as high as $27 billion for the upcoming  budget year.
        You were saying?

        • robert108

          Unionist greed leaves the American taxpayer in need.

        • Onslaught1066

             He was saying that your state is going bankrupt, and it is.

          Are you saying that a $ 25.4 Billion deficit is a good thing?

          Are all greek pederasts as stupid as you or are you a “special” case?

          • ellinas1

            He said that all the while the conversation centered around California and Texas. Like Texas is some economic miracle that is unscathed by the current state of the economy.
            I responded with their respective budget shortfalls.
            Are all american right wing nuts  as stupid as you or are you a “special” case?

          • robert108

            “Like Texas is some economic miracle that is unscathed by the current state of the economy.”

            He didn’t say that, you just made it up.  Due to its more conservative economic policies, TX is emerging from debt, while CA, due to its deranged liberal economic policies, is sinking deeper in debt.

          • Onslaught1066

             What a cute little pederast you are, why you even feel you have some how made a point all by your little self.

            Why don’t you take a couple of boys out of petty cash and turn in early.

            Your little brain stem must be overheating with your vain effort to appear relevant.

          • ellinas1

            Hey Joe! 
            Are all american right wing nuts  as stupid as you or are you a “special” case? 

          • Onslaught1066

             Still being a pederast, huh Miss Ogeny?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Pederast is as pederast does….

          • ellinas1

            Mevrouwtje Amber. So nice to hear from you.

          • two_amber_lamps

             So hey little pederast… you dodged my question above.  Explain your little “two birdies screwing” picture.  Tell us exactly what you allude to with your “nature moment”.  Please, give us a little snippet of what goes on inside that twisted greekling little mind of yours!

          • ellinas1

            Hello Joe with the dickhead avatar.

  • Patrick R. Pfeiffer

    Are you sure about that figure?  As recently as 2009, the top 10% of tax payers paid over 70% of the total tax paid, not the top 20%.

  • bottineaubay

    Just to know, what amount of percentage of income did that top twenty percent make? If they, for example, made 80% of the income and only paid 68% of the taxes, would that be “fair”? And for someone like Mr. Romney, what “job” did he do to earn his twenty million dollars last year? As I recall, he’s unemployed.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      You’ve never heard of investments?

      • robert108

        Yeah, investments, which create new jobs and generate income earners who then pay taxes to support the greedheads in govt.  You know, obama’s endless rounds of golf, Michelle’s expensive clothes, all the junkets and meetings the govt employees take, along with the gold-plated health and retirement benefits, all paid for by those who pay net taxes in the private sector, who are unable to afford to play endless rounds of golf, buy expensive clothes, go on junkets and attend meetings, and who can’t afford the gold-plated health and retirement benefits as those who confiscate their earnings.

        • ellinas1

          Class envy/class warfare, both anti american values.
          I thought you were against all that.
          I guess I was wrong.

          • robert108

            Wrong.  No envy, and in the case of the political greedheads, no class, either.  We pay for everything they spend; that’s a fact.  I have smacked you countless times with the truth that the private sector taxpayers pay for EVERYTHING in this country, but you seem to dull to absorb that fact.

          • two_amber_lamps

             He’s too steeped in Greekling euro-socialism to comprehend much of anything beyond that.  You’re wasting keystrokes on him robert….

          • ellinas1

            Not wrong.
            I am right.
            For if it was 12 noontime and I said it was, you would argue it was 12 midnight.

          • Onslaught1066

             Noon is derived from Latin nona hora, the ninth hour of the day, therefore, noontime is 9:00am.

            and not midnight as you suppose.

          • ellinas1

            The word “noon” is derived from Latin nona hora, the ninth hour of the day. As the Roman day started on 6.00 a.m., at sunrise, the first hour would have been from 6.00 till 7.00 a.m and the ninth hour from 2.00 till 3.00 p.m.Noon (also midday or noon time) is usually defined as 12 o’clock in the daytime. However the term midday is used colloquially to refer to a range of time, usually 11-1. The word noon is also used informally to mean midday regarding the location of the sun, as opposed to the middle of one’s day. Although this is a time around the middle of the day when people in many countries take a lunch break. Solar noon is 12 o’clock apparent solar time, or around 12 – 1 p.m.local time depending on daylight saving time, the moment when the sun crosses the meridian and is about at its highest elevation in the sky. The clock time of solar noon depends on the longitude and date.The above compliments of the internet and that darned Wikipedia.

          • Onslaught1066

             Yes, I said that.

            The parroting is strong with this pederast.

    • Spartacus

       Let’s chase your fantasy. So we bill the top 1 % at 100% or more of income earned upon their means of income (investments). When douche bags like you get together and elect fiscally irresponsible people like Pelosi, Reid & ObamA++ and the top 1% has earned nothing to tax, THEN WHERE THE HELL DO YOU THINK THE MONEY WILL COME FROM YOU FUCKING DUMB ASS?

      • two_amber_lamps

         Where will the money come from?  Well of course it will come from Obama’s Stash!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMK9zxb5HyE

        bottineaubay…  yet another sick leftist stooge who seeks to drag us into hell. 

      • ellinas1

        Why, from the remainder 99%

        • Spartacus

           the occutards?

          • ellinas1

            The occutards, the tea baggers, the street beggars, etc. etc.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh look, the pedo-greekling said tea bagger!  Sorry to say it doesn’t make you a constitutional conservative that you tea-bag 12 year old boys….

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