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I’m not at all surprised.  It would take the intelligence of a prune to think that any of this Saint Cindy Roadshow had anything at all to do with Casey.

Class shows.

The Legion Brothers have been discussing this. Don’t be surprised if that soldier has a stone by Memorial Day. Wish I lived closer, I would do it myself. Screw that BITCH.

Isn’t he entitled to a veterans stone?  Not sure how all that works, but doesn’t she just have to put in a request for the white stone we know?

What’s the point of a headstone anyway? It’s not like Casey’s gonna mind.

Symbolism, Davey.

Thins like that do matter. 

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Not to his mother, apparently.

Call me crazy conservative, but I think all the money we spend on funerals and burial is rediculous.  Now, that’s just me.  When I die I would like a very simple coffin and marker.  I think a small granite marker with a name, birth and death date and perhaps some sort of Biography should be enclosed in the stone for historical purposes is necessary.  

I do believe that the very most respect should be given to the dead. A proper and prayerful send off is the most important.  

This is really about the hypocrisy of Cindy Sheehan in using her son’s death to promote herself as an antiwar activist.

Where’s the "hypocrisy"?

Dave: You really don’t see it?  She uses Casey’s death in Iraq to promote herself as a caring mother, asserting that she has some moral superiority, and doesn’t even honor him.  You really don’t get that?  Unbelieveable!!

davey gets it, he just likes playing circular wordgames. Michael W, you are correct,and she has said she will not make the request. A little fact that was stepped over during her bitch-in-the-ditch campaign last August. She was asked about this when they were doing the cardboard crosses with the names of war dead on them. Remember, the cosses that family members went and ripped down because their sons and daughters were not anti-war protestors.

It is understandable to me. Cindy is not well. She really is a sick-o! BUT, Why didn’t the Father take care of that? Cindy Sheehan has been so busy with Hugo Chavez, Al Sharpton, and with all of her camping trips?

Because she has had herself set as the executor of Casey’s affairs. His father has tried to take care of this, she has block him from doing anything concerning his sons disposition, burial and property. He has moved to have her position abrogated, but in California that is a long and expensive proccess.

She uses Casey’s death in Iraq to promote herself as a caring mother, asserting that she has some moral superiority, and doesn’t even honor him. 

I don’t know about Cindy setting herself up as a "caring mother" so much as she’s "set her self up" as an anti-war activist. From that view, she’s made a noble sacrifice: rather than spending money selfishly on a headstone, she’s instead decided to spend it in pursuit of peace. If I opposed the war, I’d be furious if our "leader" wasted precious finances for something so selfish as a headstone.

But, then again, Cindy Sheehan=BAD!, so I can understand your outrage.

So she "honors" the other war dead with cardboard crosses, but she won’t even spring for the cardboard for Casey, nor will she let his father honor him. Again, I say, "What a class act!"

dave, she doesn’t have to spend a penny if does not wish to. There are several organisation, other than VA, who will gladly place the marker. She has put blocks up to stop it from being placed. No matter. The marker will be placed. She will then go to court to have it removed. We are looking forward to that. American Legion and VFW are seeing to it that service markers are being placed for all those kill since 9/11. Screw the VA and National Cemetary Assoc., they ain’t moving fast enough.

How is it that, although Casey Sheehan’s parents were married at the time of his death (going through a divorce now), only his mother has the right to decide whether his grave gets a government issue (or other) tombstone?

2Hotel9, perhaps you can elucidate here?  I might like to hear more from Casey’s dad on this kind of thing, to be sure.

She is the executor for her son’s affairs. The father is not going public, he is working to be made executor. Different states handle this in different ways, the usual method is a single person acts as the executor. A man I work with is going through a drawn out legal battle with his ex-wife over her failure to properly handle their oldest son’s estate. She took the insurance and burial policy money from his employer supplied insurance, never paid for the funeral, never had the headstone placed, took all the money he had in savings and checking accounts, sold his 2 vehicles and 4wheeler and never paid off any of his bills. His father began recieving collection notices on a car loan he cosigned on, the funeral director disscreetly asked when payment would be forthcoming. That is how all this came to light. No the court has to find where all the money went and K. has had to pay for the funeral and burial plot, so that they won’t disinter his son’s remains. A sad, though not uncommon, affair.

Cindy does have a monument…   

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Cindy does have a monument… to herself!

So Cindy is a selfish hypocrite. Will her 15 minutes never end?!

You are all carrying on and on about someone elses life.  Do you all know what was said in casey’s will?  there are so many maybes to this situation.  He might have said dont give me a huge stone…no one knows better then her and caseys father what is really being said or not, she is winning this whole situation just because she has got  each and every one of you continually discussing it.  One, its her son, its her life, you were not in it for the any part of and you need to leave it alone, everyone would do something different cause everyone has that right.  I neither agree or disagree because  i dont have every single fact of this familys life and all the desisions they have made throughout it to even make assumptions or an anylisis.  They are not hurting you, or your family or your friends, she is just speaking out, turn away, flip the page or turn the tv off if you really dont like it. You dont even Know any of them.

carrie: Maybe you should take your own advice.

carrie my dear, don’t you understand that other people’s lives are REPUBLICAN’S business? the same crowd that made total fools of themselves and the state of florida during the terri schiavo fiasco are now dumping on a mom who’s son threw his life away for lies and war games for big business. i am very glad they have followed up on mrs.sheehan’s "news" and i will be watching to see the updates on the SCHINDLER family this spring to make sure all the money they collected as "donations"(rumored to be well over $575,000)is fully reported as TAXABLE INCOME! i would hate to see HANNITY AND COLMES have them on again,this time claiming they didn’t know the tax laws of our country. april 15th is coming DONT FORGET those "donations"! (mostly from the very same people who couldn’t wait for the return of jim bakker)

hugh: Your disjointed and nonsensical thinking brands you as a borderline personality disorder sufferer.  Please get help.

Hugh, spare us with your anti-Republican diatribe. 

hugh kennsukkit vomits, carrie my dear, don’t you understand that other people’s lives are REPUBLICAN’S business?

That’s funny.

the same crowd that made total fools of themselves and the state of florida during the terri schiavo fiasco…

Yes. Those fools who didn’t want a woman to die by order of a husband who stated his intentions and blew her money on himself and by a judge who was bought off. Those fools.

...are now dumping on a mom who’s son threw his life away for lies and war games for big business.

What was that son’s name? We’re talking about Casey here. You should stick to the story.

april 15th is coming DONT FORGET those "donations"! (mostly from the very same people who couldn’t wait for the return of jim bakker)

Do you really think this way? You have to be a joke, right?

Speaking up for those who can’t speak for themselves when it comes to life or death decisions is honorable and noble. Making a decision for an innocent person who can’t speak for themselves is self centered and irresponsible. Michael Shiavo had his wife executed because she was an inconveniance and that is what abortionists do too! Call it meddling or what ever you like. That is the liberal rant…The fact that there are still people who care enough about innocent lives being slaughtered makes me have faith in the human race! As far as Cindy Sheehan goes she disrespects her childs decision to fight for his country. She is hardly a grieving mother any longer. She is a shameless old hag who has not even taken the time to make sure her son has a tombstone. Hugh and his anti war anti republican BS is typical.

It is a fact that Casey Sheehan has no headstone.  How do the lefties explain that?  Everything else here is BS.

Sorry LIKWIDSHOE I forgot about the "bought off judge",although the facts are there were 4 judges. And surely the coroner who perfromed the autopsy was also "paid for" since he reported she hadn’t seen,heard or felt anything for the past 9 years. It is a known fact that a man who peformed over 350 autopsies and has been a coroner for 15 years cannot be as intelligent and truthful as a hoard of loonies who believe in levitation,THE VIRGIN BIRTH(i think an IQ of 15 is required for this one),MOSES(lol another good one)and the HOLY GHOST! But hey far be it for "christians" to SHUT DOWN and block out reality and science based facts especially when they destroy all your fairy tales! But then again what happened in Florida was kinda like AUSCHWITZ wasn’t it? LOL Remember that one? All the little clones that were holding up the nazi signs. THE OFFER still stands $1000 cash to the person who can produce that sign. It’s been a year so it is probably in some CHRISTIAN HALL OF FAME by now but if anyone gets their hands on it,$1000 cash!

AS for your other question. Am I really serious about the reporting of all the "DONATIONS". WE ARE DEAD SERIOUS and you would be wise to pass the word on to bobby boy,the sister,lunatic mom and papa that all four of the SS#‘s are going to be double checked for the year 2005. Every penny that was sent to them from their "supporters" is reportable. I really hope they don’t FORGET as it would be very unfortunate. Don’t belive me? Simply check with the IRS or any accountant you might know. Bye now and remeber $1000 cash for that sign so go get it.

Hugh is obviously off his meds… I’d be willing to bet that a LOT of folks would make donations to the Get Hugh Some New Meds relief fund!

Remember! Incoherency strikes someone every twelve minutes!

Correct me someone if I’m wrong, but dosent the VA give to veterans a free marker? All the family has to do is apply I think, the least this worthless excuse of a mother could do is check.

It’s a real shame Casey does not have a headstone.

Cindy did not raise Casey - he grew up wiht his Dad and step-mom by his own choice. That Cindy ended up as his executor is fishy to say the least.

She obviously has no intention of honoring her son or the sacrifices he made for his country.

The American people had her figured out a long time ago - that’s why so few have any respect for her.

hugh kennsukkit vomits, But hey far be it for "christians" to SHUT DOWN and block out reality and science based facts especially when they destroy all your fairy tales!

I’m agnostic. Where is your argument now?

You ASSume too much hugh.

Kyla,

You are correct.  However, the "family" must request it, and in this case, tragically, Momma Moonbat, as executrix of Casey’s estate, is considered legally "family."  

I’m willing to bet she didn’t put a marker so that it’s harder for people to find his grave and honor him and his sacrifice for a cause he truly believed in. She’s pathetic

sorry LIKWID i thought AGNOSTIC meant "one who is NOT COMMITTED to believing in the existance or non-existance of god or gods".......so apparently you have your own meaning for the word! Since surely an AGNOSTIC would never react or get pestered by any RELIGIOUS COMMENTS regardles of what cult or groupthink they were aimed at. As for calling you a "christian",once again an event that NEVER OCCURED. please go back and read the post and note the reference to the persons that were outside the hospice. i did notice that you skipped over the part about THE AUTOPSY,give ya credit at least your consistent. the coroner was "probably paid off "too,huh?

Uh oh,hold up! seems you might be right….i just looked up AGNOSTIC in the LIBERTY BAPTIST DICTIONARY and seems they too have a different meaning.(surprise surprise)

AGNOSTIC: christian or catholic who believes in bullshit and fairy tales when in the company of other dreamers. once out in the real world claims to be agnostic.

find that sign,,,,,,,,$1000 as soon as ya get it

This headstone business is all a puzzlement to me. A lot of rumors are floating around and none of us really know what is in Cindy’s heart or mind. We haven’t read Casey’s will and we don’t have any legal standing. She’s right. This is no one’s business. B

But Cindy opened the door to public criticism by her actions, demands and inconsistencies. The bottom line is that she put herself into the public eye and once there people will ask questions. Seems that she expects others to have tough skins when she attacks them, but now when asked a tough question, she dodges and ducks. 

The big news story here is that Cindy was asked about the headstone and she had to defend her actions or inactions. My guess is that her handlers have prevented anyone from publicly asking a question like that. Kudos to Michell Malkin!

From listening to her response to Michelle Malkin’s questions and her response later, my guess is that this is not a priority or it would have been handled. The question seemed to really fluster her. It was obvious that she was not prepared to answer.

She’s a strange and very sad caricature. She has little, if any credibility. She’s become a buffoon. My guess is that most folks just look at her as odd. I do. Frankly, I am glad that I don’t live next door to her or share a work space.  

Hey did you here they are in the process of getting a movie about this whole story?  And one last comment.. i am in the military, i am not under any assumtion to why i am here, no one has lied to me or my family to keep me in the military for the last 10 years and my husband for the last 11, i know most of you might or might not know about the military, but its a different world, and each one of us know why we stay and what we are used for and each one of us make that sole choice to do it, we sign up for the right to die to protect every word that and every person here in this country.

Nothing would give me as great personal pleasure as to take on people like ‘Hugh’ in debate, really in any category at all, who boast their wannabe social vigilante ramblings on blogs such as these, and ramble unconvincingly and rather incoherently, and capitalize words and do the best they can using punctutation to passionately express their uneducated soliloquies. 

Look, if it was worth my time to tell you in great detail how wrong you are, and the bizarre emotional attachment to your postings that indicate a deeply seeded unappreciated scholar sort of mentality (no one appreciates you b/c you probably don’t have anything interesting or intelligent to say), I really would.  But judging from your previous posts, you are quite convinced of the correctness of your blatantly ignorant commentary, and it would do no good to you except to probably cause you to defend your ignorance with even greater tenacity and simply gratify and entertain the other more educated individuals who post their opinion here.  I may change my mind later and write a more thorough dissection of your blogs; however, a salad beckons me at the moment, and it is far more interesting than calculating a response to things like, "surprise surprise…" you looked up something in the dictionary and realized you were wrong so you insulted the competence of the dictionary.  And something about a sign that you brought up and coyly offered "$1000 as soon as ya get it" in reference to supposed collectively deceptive Christians?  My guess is that no one would give you a job that would allow you to spare $1000 anyway, and offering money to prove your point is awfully desperate.  Is my opinion of collective atheism based on some random action of an individual or opinion of a single incident?  Like your starkly misguided opinions?  I hope not.  Can I speak for everyone when I say wtf are you even talking about anyway?

Lastly, a point to remember, Hugh.  Intelligent, engaging, and persuasive people are able to express their opinions on social issues by using fact and example, without getting personal.  I just don’t like you very much or the way you haven’t actually argued anything, but rather insulted communities that are irrelevant to this topic, so I am being intentionally personal here.  I don’t suppose all atheists, or whatever you claim to be, are as ill versed and impolite as you are, thank goodness.  You obviously don’t know much about Christianity, and likely not too much about biology either.

I apologize for diverting attention away from the real issue at hand here; but really it is an issue to me when people sign up to post a comment and start spouting hateful ignorant things.  People do it all the time but this guy seems dangerously impassioned about some really psychotic things.  People like that contribute to the disintegration of a harmonic and yet spiritedly diverse society, and I really just give up and think they all need to be slapped.  Yes, take some meds, Hugh.  You don’t have to be angry!

One more definition to add to your list: YOU = PSYCHO.

Cindy told Michelle Malkin (about the lack of a grave marker): "It’s none of your business!" That might have been true if she had kept her grief private. But she paraded her "grief" and her anti-war credentials based on the fact that she was Casey’s Mom and she put herself in the public eye.

When anyone tries to examine her credentials as a Mom, (i.e., could she give a damn long enough to stop the Look At Me, I’m Cindy And Dictators Love Me world tour, and pay a minimum of respect to the son she claims she loved) it suddenly becomes private.

Please, Cindy! Keep your grief and your moonbat opinions and your pixelated belly fat to yourself if you want! But if you want to step into the public arena of ideas, perhaps you could stop hiding behind your dead son every time you run out of them.

hugh kennsukkitt continues his immature rant, sorry LIKWID i thought AGNOSTIC meant "one who is NOT COMMITTED to believing in the existance or non-existance of god or gods".......so apparently you have your own meaning for the word!

No. I don’t have my own meaning for the word, "agnostic". It means what it means.

Since surely an AGNOSTIC would never react or get pestered by any RELIGIOUS COMMENTS regardles of what cult or groupthink they were aimed at.

Why would you assume that I wouldn’t defend some religious groups against your hateful and baseless attacks? You’re assuming again.

As for calling you a "christian",once again an event that NEVER OCCURED. please go back and read the post and note the reference to the persons that were outside the hospice.

You addressed me personally hugh. Don’t bullshit your way out of it now.

Uh oh,hold up! seems you might be right….i just looked up AGNOSTIC in the LIBERTY BAPTIST DICTIONARY and seems they too have a different meaning.(surprise surprise)

AGNOSTIC: christian or catholic who believes in bullshit and fairy tales when in the company of other dreamers. once out in the real world claims to be agnostic.

sigh…you’re just a jackass. I’m going to start treating your comments as spam. You’re selling bullshit that nobody is buying.

Likwidshoe…You can say that again!...

Hugh:

What is your plan to fix the mess in Iraq ...Step 1, Step 2, Step 3….Step N, Done?

You’re either part of the problem, part of the solution, or part of the landscape.   

joeb: His plan is probably to cut and run;  in other words, defeat for the evil US.

still no answer on that autopsy huh? oh thats right,it doesn’t fit into what you wanna believe so simply IGNORE it or dismiss it. damn that coroner anyway for taking part in the "cover up"

as for "christianity"LOL that’s a good one. since you would never wanna hear my opinion maybe these gentlemen can help ya.

let’s start with THOMAS JEFFERSON since sean hannity likes to brag about how smart mr jefferson was we will lead off with him    "i have examined all the known superstitions of the world,and i do not find in our particular superstition of christianity one redeeming feature. they are all alike founded on fables and mythology. millions of innocent men,women and children,since the introduction of christianity,have been burnt,tortured,fined and imprisoned. what has been the effect of this coercion? to make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites,to support roguery and error all over the earth"

hhmmmmm let’s see how about JOHN ADAMS another "great founding father who was an inspirational lightning rod" (as described by jerry falwell) one of the few times i would agree with mr falwell’s opinion but i wish he had REALLY read what mr adams had said, so here it is     "the government of the united states is not in ANY sense founded on the christian religion"  and also "the doctrine of the DIVINITY of jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity"

JAMES MADISON was a great man,wouldn’t you agree? ok let’s check his opinion and see what he thinks.    "religion and government will both exist in greater purity,the less they are mixed together" wow it doesn’t look like franklin(god sent the tsunami)graham has ever been exposed to that quote. not that it would matter he would simply do what most inspired "christians" do,IGNORE IT because it doesnt fit.

one need only go to the LIBRARY(sorry for including that thought on here,i realize that libraries are probably just places where the liberal media stacks the shelves with propaganda)to find more of what the FOUNDING FATHERS actually said and felt and not what religious HIJACKERS want you to think they said. especially attractive are the quotes from THOMAS PAINE! here is a sample i think you will find enlightening    "i would not DARE to so dishonor my creator god by attaching his name to that book(the bible). among the most detestable VILLIANS in history,you could not find one worse than MOSES. here is an order,attributed to "GOD" to butcher the boys,to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. i would not dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by attaching it to this filthy book(the bible). it is the duty of every true DEIST to vindicate the moral justice of god against the evils of the bible. accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins,and you will have sins in abundance. the christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person(jesus)who lived a life of poverty."

so i guess pat robertson will soon be selling his $350 million a year cult and moving in with ordinary folk so he can be more like jesus himself? NOT QUITE.

hey maybe we can ask someone who i KNOW you will agree with. maybe we can ask BILL FRIST his opinion on the matter since he is such an EXPERT.   "well,ill tell ya what i learned from it,which is OBVIOUS. the american people DONT want you involved in these decisions" (bill frist jan 2006)     not too sure if he actually has opened his MIND and actually cares about "the american people" or perhaps he sees the tidal wave coming in november. (based on his past record i have to guess TIDAL WAVE.)

one more,how about mel martinez? pretty intelligent wouldnt you say? let’s hear his take      "if i learned anything,it is perhaps decisions of this nature really BELONG in state courts NOT federal courts. perhaps this was not in the realm of federal concern. it may have been left to state courts to deal with it."  (mel martinez FEB 2006) NO! ya think mel? see even the thickest of logs gives way to reason once the storm brews

but no problem…..the offer still stands   $1000 for that sign AUSCHWITZ FLA      if having trouble locating it maybe you can contact the governor down there,he seems to be an expert on OTHER PEOPLE’S BUSINESS

oops almost forgot to answer the question about iraq…...i think we should do exactly what ronald reagan did in beirut when our troops were in harms way and he IMMEDIATELY removed them…...see,so you were wrong im not a CUT AND RUN. but hey if you wanna stay,GO FOR IT! you pay for it,NOT ME      

HughK…The irony of your sermon, preaching against christianity is humorous. Your arrogance and self importance is typical of individuals like yourself. You lash out and cast your opinions as if you know. Apparently you are so impressed with yourself that other people don’t really matter to you? Obviously you find your self so appealing you don’t need faith. It is good that you like yourself so much because I really doubt other people can stand you…You have elevated yourself as though you think you are God himself. Hmmmm! That sounds like someone the Bible speaks of???

Hugh: Two points… One, are you under the impression that bloggers get paid by the word??? (Brevity being the soul of wit, would it be fair to say long-winded folks are witless souls? Feel free to debate the existence of either wit or souls…)

Two: Was ANYTHING in your latest rant even vaguely on topic to the hypocrisy of Cindy Sheehan and the lack of simple courtesy (regardless of your religious beliefs) that she has shown towards her son?

(I know I used some three and four syllable words here, but with your familiarity with dictionaries and libraries, I figured you could handle it!)

The irony of your sermon, preaching against christianity is humorous. Your arrogance and self importance is typical of individuals like yourself. You lash out and cast your opinions as if you know.

He appeared to just research quotes by our Founding Fathers; rather, by our "arrogant and self-important" Founding Fathers.

Here’s the problem with Sheehan and all those like her.  They protest against those that fight for the right to protest.  I’ve never understood (no, I refuse to acknowledge) those that criticize the actions of our troops.  There is nothing anyone can say to skirt the fact that anyone in this country can speak their mind and not get arrested for doing so.  Despite the display of complete ignorance and lack of class, these protestors do offer amusement to those of us with even the slightest bit of common sense.  Although Sheehan has drawn some attention from the lib crowd, she’s out of the picture now for the most part - like a cheap novelty item she’s lost her lustre.  And yet her son, the person whose death started her on a rampage remains without proper memorium.  Where’s the justice?

Dave… HughK comes off as a know it all. He seems like he really likes himself alot! He preaches his sermons on what our founding fathers said and acts as if it is the only truth. I am feeling a perpetual arrogance about him that I have a low tolerance for. It is one thing to be ignorant. BUT, it is quite another to listen to attacks by someone who tries to come off like a know it all. He is no better than a Sunday morning at a Pentecostal church. He is rude and annoying! That is my perception of him. I could be wrong about him. BUT, I doubt it.

Hugh is doing the typical American atheist thing.  He claims belief that all religions are false.  Yet he has espoused ANTI-religion as his own belief system.  He treats atheism as a religion in itself.  That smacks a bit of hypocrisy, don’t you think?  Earlier he asked Likwidshoe why comments about Christianity would get her so riled up.  Seems the only one getting riled up about comments about religion here is Hugh.

Back on topic, I think the case has well been made that Cindy Sheehan is a self-serving hypocrite.  Personally, I hope she continues her dog and pony show for another ten years.  Of course, if a Dem wins the next Presidential election, she won’t have any problem with the war continuing.  All of a sudden it will be just and good.  You know, the same opinion Hugh will have. 

Dave appears to be one of those tree hugging piece of shit hippies. Case closed. Fuck you Dave and the rest of your wanna-be activists. You wanna do something about the war? Get your ass up from your latte and go fight so the rest of our boys can come home. Oh yeah, and take a shower, you stink of patchouli.

sorry ZSA ZSA wasnt "preaching against christianity" i was simply supplying quotes from the founding fathers. but i am quite sure it HURTS seeing what they ACTUALLY wrote instead of what you and others have been told they might have SAID. if you choose to believe in virgin birth,foghorn leghorn,invisible friends and ghosts that’s your choice. personally ill continue to believe in SCIENCE and FACTS and when these sources prove the existance of a GOD then ill accpet it. so as you can see that makes me AGNOSTIC! kinda what the word really means.

noticed how ya skipped the autopsy and the bill frist quotes. TYPICAL

as for not having a headstone,i have no idea what her thinking is. (since it is none of my business) but when dealing with "people" who think nothing of blowing up medical buildings and planned parenthoods maybe she is smart not put one on the grave sight. she would hate to go there some morining and find it coverred in swatstikas or blown apart. (IN THE NAME OF THE LORD of course)

Since I’ve never talked to Mike on this blog before, I’m going to have to assume that everything he wrote was based solely off that picture of me. Bravua!

Zsa Zsa wrote:

(Hugh K) seems like he really likes himself alot!

It’s called self-esteem, and it’s a virtue.

Dave ... Hugh and the word virtue don’t really go together. To be virtuous don’t you have to be modest, honorable, moral, nobal, decent, ethical, and righteous???? He doesn’t really seem to have regard for anyone other than himself to me? I will try real hard to see Hugh in a different light. I really think there is good in everyone. I just haven’t been introduced to Hugh and his virtuous side yet??? His arrogant side keeps showing up! I agree self esteem is a virtue. BUT, I don’t think Hugh is displaying self esteem. I would call it arrogance. Silly me! What do I know? ...

Hugh, hush you don’t make any points related to this post so you come across as just a ranting crazy lib and that doesnt help your case or hinder anyones who disagress…

Now about the cindy sheehan…well i admit i was against this war from the begining i do not go with the thoughts of damn the troops or anything remotely similar. I have family who has now served 2 tours and has a purple heart to show for it. When we first got word that he was wounded and it might be serious all of my family got together and went over the worst case scenario. We knew how he wanted to be memorialized and if he did die we were going to follow his wishes. This included just a plaque by his grave. He, a lifer in the army, did not want a public memorial or a headstone. As others have said there is no way we can know what caseys wishes were. As so often happens when two parents arent together there always seems to be disagreements on how to proceed. One only has to look at the Terry Schiavo fiasco or even the Ted Williams cryogenic problem.   While Cindy Sheehan has pushed herself into the spotlight and has done whatever she can to stay there, most people have ignored her or pushed her to the back burner. That being said with just about the only time she makes news is when people criticize her and belittle her entire system of beliefs. When that happens and you get dozens and dozens of hate comments towards her is that everyone has to make thier comment echo and the hate amplifies which makes everyone sound a bit like hugh only on the other side of the aisle.

Dan,

You make some very good points.

Every time Cindy Sheehan’s name comes up on this forum or any other right-wing site, it’s following by a constant barrage of criticism and personal attack against her.  Righties intensely hate this woman. 

I’ve read these accusations regarding the grave marker for quite some time and noticed one important thing - nobody’s been asking Cindy or the rest of Casey’s family about it.  So, I sent an e-mail to an organization closely tied to Cindy, asked the simple question, and explained that I’d like to report the answer on my blog.  The response I received was quite enlightening.  One part of the letter, I’ll quote for you:

I can understand that after reading a lot of attacks against Cindy on LGF or the like, you would be concerned enough to want to counter some of the venom, but I think that would be a wasted effort. To those making or buying into such accusations, neither reason nor empathy is likely to be appreciated.

She also went on to discuss the hundreds of death threats and the countless profane attacks they get from people on a daily basis.

I’m satisfied with the answer I received and believe that there are a couple of valid reasons that Casey currently has no headstone.  I’m also satisfied that Casey will have a headstone eventually.  I also agree with them that it isn’t appropriate to discuss these reasons publicly and that it woouldn’t stop the venomous attack even if I did.

So, they avoided answering the question.  It’s Cindy who is the hater, btw.  Of course, it’s typical of lefties to accuse conservatives of what they do themselves.

Robert, are you saying that death threats and profanity aren’t a sign of hatred?

(I never said they avoided answering the question, by the way.  You did.) 

I assume if they had answered the question, you would have included that in your quote.  My reading of it is that they wouldn’t answer it because of the hatred from the other side.  Weak.  I think when Cindy takes responsibility for her death threats and profanity, we might be able to have a discussion.

At this point, Robert, I’m withholding an answer.  And, I’m not weak.

Thank you Casey for your service, rest in peace.

No thank you Hugh for your self-service, give your piece a rest.

First off HI

Secondly, from what I understand Cindy the ditch bitch has been divorced from Casy’s dad for years and Casy was raised by his dad and step mom, Cindy dove in looking for attention when Casey was killed.

Third, Hugh get a clue

and last but NOT least Carrie, thank you for your service and I know exactly what you mean 

"At this point, Robert, I’m withholding an answer."

And so, apparently, is Cindy Sheehan.  Over the weekend, Michelle Malkin managed to get a few minutes interview with Granny Peacenik, and again Cindy would not answer to son Casey’s lack of a headstone.  Later that evening, at the "Peace rally" in NYC, Sheehan was quoted as follows,

"Then she said that a certain right-wing journalist "from Fox News" (loud boos) had asked her earlier that day about Casey’s tombstone, and that she had two responses to that: (a) it’s none of your business, and (b) there are people lying in swamps in America’s gulf states (because of Katrina) who will never have tombstones, there are people who died on 9/11 who will never have tombstones—"all because of George Bush."

It is a very good thing indeed that Saint Cindy is provided with handlers by George Soros’ looney libs who are manipulating her, ‘cause, folks, this just ain’t a very smart woman.  Her ability to generate her own rational thoughts, put them together in a modestly coherent sequence, and express them in a rudimentary form of English is on a par with that of a rural, south Louisiana 12 year old.  (I could have used Georgia or Alabama, but both of those states are blessed with Republican Governors who are active in upgrading their states’ educational standings.)

Point is, Sheehan’s won non-answer amounts to, "I can’t be bothered with that right now.  I’m on a mission.  Don’t bother me with stupid details."  Godspeed, Casey Sheehan.  You deserved better of your sacrifice. 

Rick: I mean Cindy and her organization not answering the question is weak.  It’s not all about you.

Bat One,

Please refrain from using the excluded middle in your arguments.  Bifurcation intentionally leads to worst possible conclusions and, as you should be aware, there are a myriad of other possibilities.

Robert:

I think when Cindy takes responsibility for her death threats and profanity, we might be able to have a discussion.

So, you are arguing that two wrongs make a right. 

1500 nude people in Venezuela recently took part in an art project in front of the Simon Bolivar memorial. When they bent over, 1499 had the mistaken impression they had come face to face with Cindy Shatcan, Hugo Chavez’s favorite hand puppet. All immediately realized their mistake when the other participant turned around, the group immediately started chanting, "Hugo, Hugo, Hugo".

No, not at all.  I was pointing out the hypoocrisy of Cindy and her people accusing those who dissent from her as haters, when she is a purveyor of hate herself.

At the risk of getting wittyand cruel nicknames I just must ask what Democrats George Soros have to do with this topic. When you cant make a contribution without saying loony libs or ditch bitch you argument is been reduced to nothing but partisan rambling. You become one of the talking head lackeys you see and ridicule on tv)the network depends on your view). It would be nice if just once people could rely on thier arguments and not have to use petty and cruel banter. This of course seems too much to ask due to the fact that people dont know the facts so they have to pad thier arguments with the usual blather.

Dan:  So, Casey really does have a headstone?

No, Robert.  You were using the Two Wrongs Make a Right argument style.  You refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem with vitriole and death threats because you assume that Cindy hasn’t taken responsibility for her own actions (profanity and death threats, I’m assuming - who is she threatening to kill, by the way?).  You argue that she has it coming, thereby excusing behavior coming from your camp as justified, and therefore not bad.  This is a classic example of the Two Wrongs Make a Right argument and for you to deny that in your next post either points to a lack of understanding of basic logic, or intentional obfuscation.

to my knowledge no…but having to dennouce cindy and the with no real reason expanding it to democrats or liberals a) doesnt add to the discusion and b) has nothing to do with whether or not theres a headstone. thats all this has to be. im saying to turn the comment board to shes a bitch and so is soros and loony libs doesnt do anything to discuss the matter at hand. we cant just say thats not right that he doesnt have a headstone, we have to invoke death to a political party or the religious right or something similar.

Rick: Wrong again.  I never approved of anyone spewing hate.  Blaming one side for doing what you do yourself is hypocrisy, no matter who does it.  Cindy did it first, but that doesn’t excuse the other side for doing it.  I never argued that she had it coming, btw.  She is merely one of a group of haters, IMO.  I think she is pathetic.  I don’t hate her at all.  I think she is a stupid person who is neglecting her other children to try to be famous, and is being exploited by the Soros crowd.

Robert, just saying that someone is wrong doesn’t make it so. Now, if you’ll please stick to reasoned discussion you might have more of a chance of making a valid point.  I’d suggest cracking open an introductory-level Philosophy Text.

Dan…I agree with you about the petty cruel remarks. Partisan politics is what continues to divide our country in a time where we should be united! Cindy Sheehan is a divider. She represents disrespect for the troops and what our country is doing to secure democracy and freedom. At first I thought she was a grieving mother upset about her son who died. Now I see her as a raving anti-war protester using her son as an excuse to gain attention??? The disrespect for her sons decision to go to Iraq is sad and disturbing.

People. Too much babble. Not enough honor for our fallen soldiers and support for our troops. Get off the soap boxes and get with reality.

 Cindy Sheehan is and will always be an idiot. Her son needs a memorial.

 I’ll drink a beer for her son tonight. Everyone else on this board should too. It might suppress you from writing too much about nothing.

and i agree about cindy…i think while her message matches many of the anti-war ones…her actions not only dishonor her son but damage the message of those who feel similarly. While i agree with her point that we should leave iraq, i wholly disagree with her meeting people like hugo chavez. not because hes evil or anything silly like that but because it makes it so easier for her to be called the anti-american and thus take everyone of her points and call it anti american. Her actions make it tougher for those who agree with a point or two of hers. As another example its like saying because hitler created jobs in germany anyone who fights against layoffs is a nazi…obviously thats ludicrious and slightly extreme for my points sake but thats what happens when she goes and makes outrageous claims or meets unfriendly heads of state

Rick:  non sequitur  Casey still has no headstone.  Is it your contention that Cindy is right?

Planker you are right.. I will tip one for the young hero myself.. I just cant help but wonder what he would think about all this

S.

Robert, what exactly do you think I’ve said that is non sequitur?

To your question.  There are many more possible reasons for Casey not having a headstone than the only one you and the rest of the right-wing have suggested.  There is also the possibility that it’s currently out of Cindy’s hands. 

The bottom line is this Soldier deserves the respect that he earned in the defense of his country. I get out of the Army in two months and have fought in Panama, the first Gulf War, and in Operation Iraqi Freedom. He was a young warrior and should get the just recognition for the ultimate sacrifice he made. His mother has no say over his choice to serve so she should quit her whining. He made a choice and enters the hall of warrirors. This bitch needs to shut up and respect her son. Freedom insn’t free!!!!

Zsa Zsa wrote: 

 Partisan politics is what continues to divide our country in a time where we should be united! Cindy Sheehan is a divider.

She’s also a "ditch bitch."

Rick:  "Robert, just saying that someone is wrong doesn’t make it so. Now, if you’ll please stick to reasoned discussion you might have more of a chance of making a valid point.  I’d suggest cracking open an introductory-level Philosophy Text."  Nothing in that post has anything to do with anything I wrote, nor with anything reating to me.  non sequitur=does not follow

I’m not a member of the "right wing".  Wrong again. The only reason for speculation about why Casey has no headstone is Cindy’s lack of being forthcoming about it.  She is quite enthusiastic about using Casey’s death to get her spot in the limelight, but won’t tell us why he has no headstone.  She can clear it up in a moment with some honesty and straightforwardness. 

Dave… you are a brat!...

I meant "relating", not "reating".

CV Rick writes "Righties intensely hate this woman."  I consider myself right-of-center and I don’t hate her, intensely or otherwise! Mostly I pity her for allowing herself and her son’s memory to be used as a political football.

But her 15 minutes of fame have passed. Let Cindy take her place with Nehru jackets, disco and "Where’s the Beef?"

BTW let her son take his place among the honored dead. He chose to serve his country. He paid the ultimate price. The moonbats should let him RIP.

PS Dave: I’m not mike!  -Mike

Dave… you are a brat!...

Dave’s just mad because somebody made fun of his haircut. 

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Thank you Stubbe

Robert, it quite easily follows.  I made a cogent point about a fallacy in your argumentation style and advised you to brush up on simple rhetoric.  It’ll help you a lot.

What is more ironic is that the US Government will provide a headstone FREE for her son just because he a vetern of the US Military.

Who cares he’s dead

Who cares he’s dead?  Ask not for whom the bells toll, it tolls for thee!

THIS IS A LIE, HE HAS A GRAVESTONE…..SO SAD TO SEE THE RIGHT HAS TO TAKE HER SON, AND NOW HAS TO LIE TO MAKE HER LOOK LIKE THE BAD PERSON

This is for Al Cocksucker (Cohalic)

Obviously your sorry ass has never serverd his county in a time of war. This Soldier gave his life like the thousands before so you can be a a dumbass and have the freedom of speech to post such a message.

How dare you disgrace a fallen hero. If you feel so strongly then come here to Ft Bragg and please hold up a sign saying what you feel.

I’m sure the my fellow troopers in the 82nd Airborne, Special Forces, and Delta Force stationed here will be glad to curb stomp you at the gate.

Your a loser!!!!!!

"The Right took her son…"   Yes! And then we "took" the Left’s dictionaries, so they could never make sense again!

Dan,

The reason that George Soros is mentioned is because it was groups funded by him that in turn provided funding and management support and media guidance to the Cindy Sheehan road show last summer.  The media production facilities, the buses, the crosses and the protest signs, the tents, the food, right on down to the port-a-potties, all had to be paid for.  Certainly no one here is naïve enough to think that all that stuff just appeared magically all on its own.  The white production truck, for example, rents for $2600 per week, plus fuel, supplies, technician salaries and driver.  I know because I called and asked.  The buses were similarly priced.

The two biggest supporters of the Crawford camp-out were United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ), an umbrella group of leftist organizations founded by Castro admirer Leslie Cragan at the offices of People for the American Way, and MoveOn.org, the same group that announced little more than a year ago that they had “paid for” the Democratic Party and now “owned” it.  Both groups are supported by both Soros’ and Teresa Heinz Kerry’s TIDES Foundation.

Her media consultants, hired by the “True Majority” anti-war group, are a firm named Fenton Communications, whose clients include MoveOn.org, Air America, NAACP, and Common Cause, and the Santa Monica political consultancy of Zimmerman and Markham, whose chief causes are leftist anti-war zealotry and the repeal of all drug laws.

CV Rick,

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