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Saturday, July 30, 2005

Carter Disparages Gitmo, War In Iraq

BIRMINGHAM, England - Former President Carter said Saturday the detention of terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay Naval base was an embarrassment and had given extremists an excuse to attack the United States.

Carter also criticized the U.S.-led war in Iraq as "unnecessary and unjust."

"I think what's going on in Guantanamo Bay and other places is a disgrace to the U.S.A.," he told a news conference at the Baptist World Alliance's centenary conference in Birmingham, England. "I wouldn't say it's the cause of terrorism, but it has given impetus and excuses to potential terrorists to lash out at our country and justify their despicable acts."

Carter said, however, that terrorist acts could not be justified, and that while Guantanamo "may be an aggravating factor ... it's not the basis of terrorism."


Carter's premise is a canard.

The terrorists hate us for many, many reasons. They hate our culture because we treat women as equals, don't murder gays for being what they are and refuse to live under Islamic rules. They hate our government because for decades its done little else in the middle east outside of look after its oil needs. The goings-on at Gitmo are, if anything, a footnote in all of this.

And if we close it down its not going to make them hate us less (they're going to hate us regardless of what we do at Gitmo), its just going to further entrench in their minds the idea that America is a "paper tiger." That we can't even be tough with our enemies without the bleeding hearts in our society wreaking havoc.

Which means that Carter's whining about Gitmo is not part of the solution here but rather part of the problem.

Comments

Avatar for Chad Evans

In Al Qaida in Iraq’s latest propoganda video they included documents and quotes from people who are saying Guantanamo Bay is a disgrace.  President Carter may have just made himself be a star in the next video.

Chad Evans on July 30, 2005 at 06:07 pm
Avatar for Gekkobear

Be fair, this makes perfect sense.

The hate us for what we’re doing at Gitmo, so they attack the British and Egyptians… wait a second, that doesn’t make a damn bit of sense.

Carter apparantly can’t tell USA from England either…

Gekkobear on July 30, 2005 at 10:08 pm
Avatar for The Whistler

Let’s not forget what Jimmy Carter’s been doing the last 25 years since the voters kicked him out.

He’s been “certifying” elections for the UN of any anti-American communist thug he can find.

Ortego, Chavez and Arafat are the ones that come to mind.

Jimmy Carter is always wrong.

The Whistler on July 31, 2005 at 05:07 am
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Carter picks some strange hills to defend and die on, doesn’t he? Gitmo has been inspected, investigated, and probed by more people than Parris Hilton’s crotch. Once you get past the spin and hoopla, nothing special there, in both cases. Without a doubt,the most ineffective President of the twentieth century and the worst ex-president ever.

Eneils Bailey on July 31, 2005 at 05:07 am
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"Carter’s premise is a canard.”

Yeah, sure. How many of these supposed dangerous terrorists have already been released?

Carter’s point is obvious: Whatever process is going on there appears to be at a snail’s pace—many of the jailed have been there for almost 4 years, which any reasonable person would say is more than enough time to put together some sort of fair, adversarial procedure that gives the jailed the chance to defend themselves and which could be used to determine who has committed some crime and/or deserves to be kept behind bars; this is nothing more than basic fairness, not to mention rockhard American legal tradition (e.g. the right to a speedy and fair trial). As an expedient during the chaotic beginning of the `War on Terror` GB was acceptable, but it no longer is.

Sometimes I think if Bush et al proposed castrating all there so they couldn`t breed more terrorists this would also be greeted with cheers by some.

Pathetic.

eh on July 31, 2005 at 06:07 am
Avatar for The Whistler

You mean we actually haven’t released the prisoners at Gitmo BEFORE the war is over so they can go back and fight us again.

Shocking. 

By the way, the normal due process due of enemy combatants during war have been observed.

The Whistler on July 31, 2005 at 06:08 am
Avatar for Sluggo

Carter was, and still is, a Useful Idiot.

Sluggo on July 31, 2005 at 07:07 am
Avatar for The Whistler

"there might be a connection between foreign troops occupying Muslim countries and terrorism.”

Umm, what about the terrorism, BEFORE they were occupied?

The Whistler on July 31, 2005 at 07:07 am
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I wish we could count on US judges being somewhat un-neutral in our favor when we are war.

By the way didn’t John Roberts on the DC Court of Appeals rule that military tribunals were due process of law for enemy combatants.

I would like the liberal’s to show us when a foreign national fighting the US during a war, captured on foreign soil was ever due access to the US court system.

The Whistler on July 31, 2005 at 07:08 am
Avatar for WOOF

There might be a connection between foreign troops occupying Muslim countries and terrorism.
Gitmo exists to keep prisoners away from the US court system, SCOTUS says they are entitled to access to the courts.

the government is resisting intrusion by neutral judges

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-woguan0615,0,4368177.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

WOOF on July 31, 2005 at 07:08 am
Avatar for Sluggo

According to Al-Qaeda, the US and the World are all part of the Muslim nation.  How would you reconcile that WOOF?

Sluggo on July 31, 2005 at 07:08 am
Avatar for WOOF

In Rasul v. Bush, the high court ruled that the “United States courts have jurisdiction to consider challenges to the legality of the detention of foreign nationals captured abroad in connection with hostilities and incarcerated at Guantánamo Bay.”

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506230006

WOOF on July 31, 2005 at 08:07 am
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Umm, what about the terrorism, BEFORE they were occupied?

US troops in Saudi Arabia. We withdrew them.

According to Al-Qaeda, the US and the World are all part of the Muslim nation.

Who the hell is Al-Qaeda?

WOOF on July 31, 2005 at 08:07 am
Avatar for The Whistler

First of all Saudi Arabia has never been occupied.

Secondly your point is invalid because there was muslim terroism before the US went into Saudi Arabia to protect a religious monarchy from a secular threat (Saddam) to the whole Persian Gulf.

The Whistler on July 31, 2005 at 10:07 am
Avatar for Chad Evans

You see this is why there needs to be a large education on radical Islamic terrorism.  Woof is the perfect example and I don’t mean to just pick on you; I really don’t.

“There might be a connection between foreign troops occupying Muslim countries and terrorism.”

Yes, and there just might be a bridge between Japan and Hawaii.  Radical Islam is the root of this terrorism we are facing today.  It started around 500 A.D. and continued even when the first, and only, Caliphate was around. 

Osama Bin Laden has clearly stated numerous so-called objectives.  One of which is to remove U.S. soldiers from the Middle East.  He was furious in 1991 because Saudi Arabia did not let the Mujihadeen fight Iraq then.  He has also stated as far into Europe is the direct Caliphate state he wishes to govern.  That included as far west as France.  Are French people going to work the cause for terrorism?  He has also stated numerous times he wants to the the United States into an Islamic state.  Am I, sitting at my computer responding to a comment, the cause for terrorism?

Simply put, the ony cause for this kind of terrorism is the religion they practice and their desire for world domination.  They believe Allah calls for it. 

“US troops in Saudi Arabia. We withdrew them.”

That is not true at all.  There are still U.S. soldiers in Saudi Arabia, I know the father of one for instance, but it is true there are far less.  Saudi Arabia though could hardly ever have been called occupied even under the most liberal definition of such.

Chad Evans on July 31, 2005 at 11:08 am
Avatar for WOOF

The bombings of late have been in nations with troops in Iraq. Spain, England, Bali(directed against Austrailians) in an attempt to coerce withdrawl.

OBL is a messianic religious leader, a threat
to Muslim more than Western leaders.
He may want a Global Islam but his actions are concentrated on the Muslim world.
The 700 Club converted into a military force.

WOOF on July 31, 2005 at 02:07 pm
Avatar for Say Anything » Aiding The Propaganda War

[...] Jeff Goldstein on Jimmy Carter’s recent comments regarding Gitmo and the war in Iraq. As to whether or not Carter’s comments provide rhetorical cover for the terrorists—of course not! Carter is simply voicing his dissent, and if a former US president can’t openly criticize his government—publicly, overseas, during wartime, and on the basis of a narrative of events that an investigative panel has already concluded simply does not represent the facts on the ground—well, then the terrorists have already won. After all, aiding the enemy in their propaganda war IS the highest form of patriotism, and nothing says “I love my country” more than “I love my country provided its run by people like me; otherwise, I don’t really much like it at all—or rather, I like it, I just don’t like all the stupid rubes who keep ruining it by voting for evil assholes.” [...]

Avatar for Sluggo

By the way Woof, the Bali bombings happened BEFORE there was any invasion of Iraq.

Sluggo on July 31, 2005 at 06:07 pm
Avatar for Sluggo

Woof, you need to read an English translation of Milestones by the Egyptian Sayid Q’tib.  This will give you an understanding of just what kind of evil ideology that al-Qaeda (the organization run by Osama bin Laden for those who don’t already know) believes in.  The book is a mixture of Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, and fundamental Islam.  You need to understand what is going on before you make comments.  Read and learn. 

WAKE UP!

Sluggo on July 31, 2005 at 06:08 pm
Avatar for LoadTheMule

Oh c’mon, Sluggo.  No need to ruin a man’s perfectly good rant by tossing in a fact or two.  Shame on you.

Regards…

LoadTheMule on August 1, 2005 at 08:09 am
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