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Friday, July 20, 2007

Canadian Court: You Can Be Charged With A Gun Crime Even If You Don’t Actually Have A Gun

Wow...

Threatening someone with a gun may be enough to warrant being charged with a firearms offence, even if one isn’t being carried, Canada’s top court ruled Friday.

In a unanimous ruling, the nine-member Supreme Court of Canada upheld a court decision in B.C. that convicted a man of gun possession, even though he argued he never had the weapon on him during a break-in four years ago.

Sure.  Why not.  Forget that these men were already guilty of breaking and entering as well as robbery.  Let’s go ahead and slap a gun charge on them too, because they pretended to have a gun.

This reminds me of a case in Michigan where a man was charged with criminal sexual conduct, carrying a sentence of life in jail, after having consensual sex with a cocktail waitress.  See, in Michigan, if you engage in sexual activity during the commission of another crime (in this instance the man was selling drugs illegally to the waitress) that sex is automatically criminalized.

This set up a situation where adultery in the state of Michigan (considered a felony) is also a sex crime and can be punished by life in jail.  Sound absurd?  It is.

But that’s what happens when we allow legislators to essentially make up new criminal charges to pile on defendants.  Prosecutors routinely use a tactic called “overcharging” where they pile all sorts of criminal charges on a defendant in order to bully them into plea bargains.  A person just facing a robbery charge might be willing to take his chances in a jury trial, but a person facing robbery charges along with a myriad of other charges (like maybe a firearms charge for pretending he had a gun) all for the same incident, thus risking a lot more time in jail, isn’t as likely to take the chance.  Which may sound like a good thing to some people, but it’s resulted in fewer trials (thus fewer reviews of police/prosecutor practices and procedures by vigorous defense lawyers) and a ballooning prison population.

Plus, I often get the feeling that many of these prosecutors would nothing more than to see nearly every aspect of our lives be susceptible to criminal charges with the only thing keeping most of us out of prison being their discretion.

Regardless, it seems to me that people should only get charged with one crime for every criminal act they make.  For instance, if you mug a guy for his tennis shoes you should be charged with that crime only.  Not some additional “hate” crime because you’re white and your mugging victim happens to be white.  Also, if you’re dealing drugs and you get caught you should be held responsible only for dealing the drugs, not for an additional crime because you happened to be within 1,000 feet of a school when you did it.

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Remember, in the Michigan case, that the guy was actually trading sex for drugs, so the sex was part of the crime itself.  To be honest, I’d have charged the waitress in question with prostitution and him with being her “john” as well.

Rhymes With Right on July 20, 2007 at 04:19 pm
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Fair enough, but that’s a different thing than what he was charged with, which is the equivalent of rape.

I think we can agree that hiring a hooker is a much different thing than raping a woman, no?


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Rob on July 20, 2007 at 04:44 pm

Let’s go ahead and slap a gun charge on them too, because they pretended to have a gun.

The guy told the victims he had a gun. The guy was arrested minutes later in a car containing a gun. The Court ruled that having ready access to a gun is essentially the same as having a gun in one’s physical possession. You can argue against multiple charges arising from the same incident but I think your accounting distorts the facts a little bit.


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MikeAdamson on July 20, 2007 at 04:55 pm

the guy was actually trading sex for drugs, so the sex was part of the crime itself.

How is that different from trading Lobster and the Ballet for sex?


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The Whistler on July 20, 2007 at 04:57 pm

Several years ago I was charged with:

Brandishing a deadly weapon; threatening or causing breach of the peace; with intent of producing death or serious bodily injury

These charges arose from me driving alone on a secluded state highway and 21/30 miles to the nearest town, (one was a unattended campground). After passing three Mexican males, they began to harass me. They would pass me and slow down and make me pass. After several times at that, they tried twice to make me pull over. I removed my gun from its case and while making sure they were watching I shoved the clip in and told them to @#$&-off. To be honest I don’t remember their reaction. I was so pissed and scared. Anyway, before I got home I had been pulled over by the state patrol and told what I would be charged with. My word against three that said they weren’t doing anything and accused me of harassing them for “not being white like her”. Such is life ... such is the law.

Oh, would I have shot them?  Damn right I would.  And, if I knew what I do now, I would have shot them again so their word against mine wouldn’t put me in jail for being white.


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Anna on July 20, 2007 at 06:50 pm

It seems that she may have been paying for her drugs with sex and should have been charged with prostitution.

ews48 on July 20, 2007 at 07:29 pm
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I have seen alot of “overcharging” here in my community.  In a recent road rage incident a man brandished a gun at another vehicle with 4 people in it.  He was charged with several offenses as he should, but then each charge was multiplied four times...one for each person in the other car.

G. Scott on July 20, 2007 at 10:21 pm
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