Can We Stop For A Moment And Remember That Roman Polanski Raped A Child?

That’s what Kate Harding, writing at Salon, would like us to do. And as the fight over Polanski’s arrest seems to be turning political (which I don’t understand because to me it’s not really a political issue) the points she makes are worth shining a light on.
She gets a little graphic, but maybe this is what the people rushing to Polanski’s side in this need to read.

Roman Polanski raped a child. Let’s just start right there, because that’s the detail that tends to get neglected when we start discussing whether it was fair for the bail-jumping director to be arrested at age 76, after 32 years in “exile” (which in this case means owning multiple homes in Europe, continuing to work as a director, marrying and fathering two children, even winning an Oscar, but never — poor baby — being able to return to the U.S.). Let’s keep in mind that Roman Polanski gave a 13-year-old girl a Quaalude and champagne, then raped her, before we start discussing whether the victim looked older than her 13 years, or that she now says she’d rather not see him prosecuted because she can’t stand the media attention. Before we discuss how awesome his movies are or what the now-deceased judge did wrong at his trial, let’s take a moment to recall that according to the victim’s grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, “No,” then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm.
Can we do that? Can we take a moment to think about all that, and about the fact that Polanski pled guilty to unlawful sex with a minor, before we start talking about what a victim he is? Because that would be great, and not nearly enough people seem to be doing it.

Again, there seems to be a left vs. right battle emerging over Polanski’s arrest and I really don’t understand it. This isn’t about anyone’s politics. This isn’t limited government vs. big government. This is about a man who had non-consensual sex with a minor he drugged and fed booze to and who subsequent fled authorities when charged with the crime and whether or not that man should finally be brought to justice.
This is about the rule of law. It is against the law to have sex with minors. It is against the law to rape people. It is against the law to flee your indictment to another country. Roman Polanski is no victim, and he is not above the law.

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  • http://Array carrick

    Well Lioncourt, I’ll admit I’m using the wikipedia entry, but here’s what it says:

    Under the terms of the plea agreement, according to the documentary Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired, the court ordered Polanski to report to a state prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation, but granted a stay of ninety days to allow him to complete his current project. Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad. Polanski returned to California and reported to Chino State Prison for the evaluation period, and was released after 42 days. All parties expected Polanski to get only probation at the subsequent sentencing hearing, but after an alleged conversation with LA Deputy District Attorney David Wells, the judge “suggested to Polanski’s attorneys that he would send the director to prison and order him deported”.[45] In response to the threat of imprisonment — “court sources said the film director, imprisoned in Auschwitz by the Nazis during World War II[dubious -- discuss], was repelled by the thought of possibly serving more time behind bars”[46] — Polanski fled the United States.

    I think that I, and others, mentioned that the sentencing hadn’t been done, here or elsewhere.

    You have a link substantiating your claim that the judge threw out the plea agreement?

  • mnconservative

    Lock him up and throw away the key. Liberals only care about what gets them elected, it’s all lip service. This is about a child getting raped and that is it! He fled and that added to his offense.

  • carrick

    Suite:

    If she was pushing to get Polanski back, fine. But she’s NOT. She wants it to go away and be over with. This is being done AGAINST HER WILL.

    It’s got nothing to do with her at this point..

    That phase is long over and ended with a conviction.

    The only thing we are dealing with legally is an international fugitive from justice, and possibly sentencing for the original conviction. This touches on much larger overarching issues than forceable rape against a child.

  • robert108

    This is right vs. wrong.

    Absolutely! It’s good to know that difference.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

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    Is that really the sparkless one?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Hanjob:

    But..but….this guy is not a minority?? How could it be possible that he raped a child???

    More racism from the left?

  • ellinas

    Again, there seems to be a left vs. right battle emerging over Polanski’s arrest and I really don’t understand it.
    By Rob on September 28, 2009 at 03:18 pm

    Who said it is a left vs. right battle?
    Why would you conclude this?
    Any sane person would want justice served.
    That justice is Polanski’s nuts on a platter.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Is little aparkie on glue or crack? So hard to decide…

    I’m pretty sure that glue explains the wild swings of rationality that he exhibits.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Glue sniffer, it’s about respect for due process. That wasn’t followed in the “cult” case.

  • robert108

    BTW, both Glenn and Rush know the difference between right and wrong very well, which is why they are conservatives. That knowledge goes with the territory.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

  • jimmypop

    I think we’re really seeing the liberal elites souls on this one. They don’t give a crap about “the children.”

    sure they do… if they are good looking or really drunk.

    You rightwing f**knuts love it when Christian culters rape kids in Utah. What gives? If Polanski was a luddite, inbred Christian from the Utah backwoods, you f**kers would be spitting and tripping over yourselves to defend it.

    Lick your finger… which way is the wind blowing today ladies?

    i agree. the people who would protect kid rapers are crazy. im not sure it the right wing that protects the nambla crew, is it? do you know which side that is?

  • Guest

    That’s what you get for going with sparkless-pig-fuckin-buckle’s nics.

  • DINO

    I don’t care one way or the other what happens to this guy. I just think you people are whacked out and in some weird outrage overload. You’re so used to freaking out over current events, you fly into angry fits over everything. I even saw that you people are upset with Obama wanting the Olympics in Chicago!

    On the Polanski thing you have begun writing your own fantastical narrative to feed that outrage.

    There’s no proof that he drugged her- many people back then took ludes and used drugs to enhance sex. Even young people. There’s no proof that he got her drunk. There’s no proof it wasn’t consensual.

    Even 13 year old women can consent to sex and want it, without even going in to the fact that she was POSING FOR NUDE PICTURES IN SOME OLDER GUY’S HOUSE WITH A MAN.

    I suspect what you’re doing is setting yourselves up for your next outrage when he is let go. Not only will you be cheated out of your insatiable thirst to see someone punished, you’re all ready to stitch it to “the permissive society” or “the Obama effect” or some bullshit.

    See, Clinton provided you plenty of puritanical outrage and fodder for your scandal-hungry psyches. Obama isn’t delivering since the scandals you’ve tried to create- Ayers, his wife’s old job, ACORN, Kenya, his brother, his aunt, his big black penis (oops, that one was mine!)have pretty much flopped. But you’ll keep trying because as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, your side will remain devoid of any real ideas and your only hope of regaining power lies in tearing down others and hoping for Obama’s failure.

    It’s the mark of small intellects that define the conservative movement these days.

  • carrick

    Rob it is the strangest interlude of the season.

    Had it been a conservative like Rush Llimbaugh or Glenn Beck who purportedly performed these sexual act, the liberals would have been all over him about what kind of monster he was.

    Apparently they think the law doesn’t apply to them.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Well dino, it’s like this.

    -suitepotato- appears to be arguing from an honestly held (if poorly supported on the facts) belief that the interests of the victim should have more weight than the interests of the state in a matter of law enforcement.

    You, on the other hand, have demonstrated your depravity here often enough that no regular here would accuse you of being motivated by anything other than depravity.

    Here endeth the lesson.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    And what Kenny says three times he really, really, really means!

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Wow.

    A mere 8 days after r108 posted

    The Wisdom of Irving Kristol

    [blockquote]“A liberal is a person who sees a fourteen-year-old girl performing live sex acts onstage and wonders if she’s being paid the minimum wage.”
    –Irving Kristol [/blockquote]

    which whipped several of our leftards into a froth of denial…

    Our leftards now pop up here to support:

    Statutory Rape (the child was 13 at the time)
    Forcible Rape (of a minor)
    Forcible Sodomy (of a minor)

    Further, note that Polanski pleaded guilty and fled while awaiting his sentencing hearing. He has been a fugitive ever since.

  • sayanything-4625

    Hey, the geniuses are working on a collective thought that statutory rape is bad.

    Good job nutters! What’s next??? You going to take on murder?

    What a bunch of really smart thinkers.

    Boo hoo hoo, no one’s paying attention to me. I’ll call them nutters.

    If this is all you got, go away.

  • Hannitized

    But..but….this guy is not a minority?? How could it be possible that he raped a child???

    PP????

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Where’s sparkie gets his facts:

    It’s called the due process of law glue sniffer. Your hero Roman was given full due process. Then he skipped the country.

    That glue has really screwed up your brain idiot.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Who’d a thunk our local NAMBLA representative would try to explain away Polanski’s confession of statutory rape, rape, and sodomy as somehow consensual…

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Rob,

    I somehow doubt he’ll make bail this time before sentencing…

  • Hannitized

    This is about the rule of law. It is against the law to have sex with minors.

    Has anyone watched a to catch a predator on MSNBC?? This is happening all across our country at an alarming rate.

  • carrick

    Sparkie:

    You rightwing f**knuts love it when Christian culters rape kids in Utah. What gives? If Polanski was a luddite, inbred Christian from the Utah backwoods, you f**kers would be spitting and tripping over yourselves to defend it.

    Go eat shit and die.

  • robert108

    Little sparkie continues to try to push his crackhead false equivalences. Polanski is a rapist; get over it.

  • carrick

    Rob:

    I think Polanski should get due process too. That’s why I support his arrest and extradition to America to face trial.

    As far as I know, the trial is over and ended with a plea bargain conviction.

    The issue is that he fled the country while on his on recognizance (supposedly in order to get a mental evaluation). That is the basis for any new charges he is facing, and the fact that he fled is undeniable so there’s not much due process left.

  • JohnInMontreal

    Even 13 year old women can consent to sex and want it, without even going in to the fact that she was POSING FOR NUDE PICTURES IN SOME OLDER GUY’S HOUSE WITH A MAN.

    Yes it’s the 13 year old child’s fault she was anally raped… Dino you are one sick f*ck…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Glue sniffers make up stuff

  • robert108

    Is little aparkie on glue or crack? So hard to decide…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think Polanski should get due process too. That’s why I support his arrest and extradition to America to face trial.

    Um, he pled guilty. No need for a trial on the sex crimes. However he is in deep doo doo for fleeing the country.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    Polanski committed statutory rape, there’s NO dispute of this, he admitted his guilt. The victim’s opinion? As in all statutory rape cases, it really doesn’t matter. The State brings the charges against the criminal… and in this case, he was found guilty. He then committed more crimes by fleeing from justice. The law is the law. PERIOD.
    I don’t believe a single one of his supporters would find it acceptable if some guy in his forties manipulate their daughter, niece, or grandchild with booze and drugs then raped the child.
    (Regardless of ones political affiliation), it’s atrocious that anyone could think what Polanski did is acceptable and should go unpunished!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think we’re really seeing the liberal elites souls on this one. They don’t give a crap about “the children.”

  • sayanything-5371

    But..but….this guy is not a minority?? How could it be possible that he raped a child???

    Duh………because he is a liberal?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I see sparkless is sniffing glue again.

  • carrick

    Dino, nobody is in enraged overload here, Sparkie maybe an exception, who seems in need of an immediate medication adjustment.

    I just think this is just bizarro world watching liberals try and spin an obvious sexual assault case like this as something that it isn’t.

    Why the fuck do you guys do that?

    It just makes you look totally unhinged.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Carrick.
    You know its true. You were all screeching when the govvy wanted to rescue 12 year olds from “consensual marriages”. But when Polanski does it, my god! That’s unspeakable!

    Even assuming that anyone here defended that, that doesn’t make Polanski right, and you know it. There’s the whole part about:

    Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, “No,” then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm.

    Let’s point out that she KEPT saying no and he did it anyway. It doesn’t matter whether she’s 13 or 30, that’s rape and it’s wrong. That you’d defend it is dispicible.

  • J.L.

    They`re just pissed Polanski might do time and Limbaugh didn`t.

  • gilbyguy

    I don’t know … Polanski has had to live 30+ years in France … maybe that’s punishment enough?

    NAH!!!!

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Please show me any instance of myself defending Polanski. Please. Until then, shut the fuck up. DA WIZ suggests it and away you go. You righties feed upon lies and blow them up so quickly I’m surprised you can still tell your head from your ass.

    Um, when you started the “you guys did it too” crap, and suggested everyone supported forced marriages. That’s a common tactic of defense.

    My thoughts are not connected to the Wiz, and you’re stil lwrong, even if they were.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Please show me any instance of myself defending Polanski. Please. Until then, shut the fuck up. DA WIZ suggests it and away you go. You righties feed upon lies and blow them up so quickly I’m surprised you can still tell your head from your ass.

    Um, when you started the “you guys did it too” crap, and suggested everyone supported forced marriages. That’s a common tactic of defense.

    My thoughts are not connected to the Wiz, and you’re stil lwrong, even if they were.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Please show me any instance of myself defending Polanski. Please. Until then, shut the fuck up. DA WIZ suggests it and away you go. You righties feed upon lies and blow them up so quickly I’m surprised you can still tell your head from your ass.

    Um, when you started the “you guys did it too” crap, and suggested everyone supported forced marriages. That’s a common tactic of defense.

    My thoughts are not connected to the Wiz, and you’re stil lwrong, even if they were.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Sorry for the triple post.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    In the name of YOUR moral outrage, you’re willing to shove HER through the meat grinder again. YOU’RE willing to shove HER into that melange of bad memories. YOU are willing to FORCE HER into a second rape.

    What Rodney said. The trial phase is over. Polanski fled before sentencing. The victim need not be present or relive anything more (as long as she can evade the paparazzi!)

  • ellinas

    Because liberals are generally supporting Polanski and conservatives generally aren’t?

    That’s how things have been breaking down as I observe them. And yes, Ellinas, I’m going to believe my own observations over your nonsense.
    Rob on September 28, 2009 at 04:04 pm

    How can you observe wearing those dark glasses?
    No things are not breaking down the way you observe them.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    -suitepotato-

    Polanski entered a guilty plea which was accepted.

    Polanski violated his bond and fled the jurisdiction prior to sentencing.

    Polanski paid the victim and her parents an un-reported but no doubt substantial amount.

    The last does not obviate the first two. Nor do the wishes of the victim of STATUTORY RAPE override the state’s interest in prosecuting the perpetrators of STATUTORY RAPE.

    QED

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Suite goes way off the deep end here. Again THIS is what matters:

    according to the victim’s grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, “No,” then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm.

    In case we missed it, the key words are “She said no and asked him to stop.” Whether she was 13 or 30 is irrelevant. It was rape. It was forcible sodomy. He was convicted and he fled.

    Now, because the victim wants to live a normal life, and because she forgave him so that she could live without hate and anger…we are expected to let him live free? Sorry, pass. That’s a weak argument. Let’s substitute anything for rape here…

    RP murders someone in gruesome fashion. He is convicted and flees before sentencing. He lives a wonderful life in a foreign country for decades. Eventually he is caught, but the victims family have forgiven him and pray for his soul. Do we let the murderer go?

    What nonsense is it that because he’s been free so long we must continue to let him go free? This kind of circular logic can’t be argued with because it goes nowhere.

    You know, here’s the idiotic part. When I say consent is possible based on puberty, Suite talks about how teenagers need to understand society isn’t ready for them to have sex. When a teenager says no not once, but repeatedly, we get a lecture about how teens can say yes. That’s not an issue here. She said no. It was RAPE. Not statutory rape, but the actual kind. She begged him to take her home. Begged him not to touch her below the belt. Begged him not to have sex with her. And begged him not to shove it up her ass. And he ignored her and did it anyways.

    So all one has to do if convicted of a horrible crime is to run away and come back a few decades later? This aint shoplifting. This aint jaywalking. This was cold calculated rape. One that left perminent mental and longlasting physical scars.

    Nonsense on every level.

  • Hannitized

    Hey, the geniuses are working on a collective thought that statutory rape is bad.

    Good job nutters! What’s next??? You going to take on murder?

    What a bunch of really smart thinkers.

  • http://guywithguns.blogspot.com/ Chris

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

    36 pages of the victim’s testimony. She was given alcohol and a quaalude.

    Additionally, he admitted under oath that he knew she was 13 when he had sex with her.

    He plead guilty to avoid a harsher sentence. Then he fled.

    He will probably return and be sentenced for the rape and then prosecuted for fleeing (a totally separate crime)

  • 2Hotel9

    “Can We Stop For A Moment And Remember That Roman Polanski Raped A Child?”

    I never forgot. And I want him thoroughly interrogated so the courts can charge him for all the other little girls he has raped during his life.

  • southernsue

    i’m amazed how you lefties think. you make a political case out of everything.

    it is so simple, the guy drugged a thirteen year old girl and raped her. he should go to jail.

    the kick with this story, there is so much freebie out there why did he pick a thirteen year old girl? oh i know, because he is a child molester.

  • DINO

    Potato and I agree on this! WOW! He said practically the same thing I said.

    How come nobody calls him a pedophile pervert sodomite criminal communist?

  • 2Hotel9

    Maybe cuz Tater does not routinely defend child molesters, as you do. Or perchance cuz Tater does not call, on a regular basis, for the destruction of America, the deaths of all Americans in “camps”, and the imposition of communism/socialism/fascism, whatever you are calling it today.

    Think that might have something to do with it?

    Lots of Libertarians are on the, “just drop it and it will go away” band wagon, many of them oppose law enforcement/judicial systems pursuing prosecution after a victim recants. Amazingly, it was leftards like you who pushed to give law enforcement/judicial systems the authority to do this. All based on the large number of domestic violence cases in which the victim would drop the charges, then end up dead. Then again, you never had a problem with women ending up dead. Did you?

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

    Suitepotato, the point of punishing crime is not merely for the victim’s sake. It is to remind those who would also do that kind of thing that there will be punishment.

    And a list of crimes committed by Roman Polanski, in the order they were committed:

    1. Encouraging a minor to disrobe before adults not related. Reckless endangerment of a minor.

    2. Photographing minor in that state. It’s called “child porn.”

    3. Providing alcohol and drugs to a minor.

    4. Statutory and forcible rape of a minor. Keep in mind that a 13 year old cannot legally give consent, nor can anyone who is intoxicated.

    5. Forcible sodomy of a minor.

    6. Fleeing from lawful incarceration orders.

    Given that quite a lot of liberals are saying that we should tolerate these, I infer that those who do so are tolerant of pedophilia.

    I also infer from Dino’s comments that he’s OK with it if someone assaults or rapes someone if they’re immoral or foolish. Given that most of us think homosexuality is immoral and foolish, I personally think Dino should be **** glad that most of his neighbors don’t think the same way.

  • Jay

    This should have been taken care of long ago. It wasn’t. Dude entered a guilty plea 30 years ago and he most certainly fled the jurisdiction. But don’t tell me this is akin to Sara Jane Olson either. He isn’t some “fugitive of justice” that was outside the grasp of an unknowning international criminal justice system. Everyone knew where he was, what he was doing and where they could get him for decades. They didn’t do anything about it. Now, all of a sudden I’m supposed to condone/believe their newly-found concern? Fuck that.

    He’s a dirtball for sure. The continued adoration poured upon him by the hollywood goons is beyond distasteful. But this is by no means “due process”. It’s a flippin’ sham.

  • Lioncourt

    That phase is long over and ended with a conviction.

    I don’t think this is procedurally correct.

    The way I understand the case is that Polanski was charged with 6 felony counts.

    He pled to one count of having sex with a minor in exchange for 42 days in jail.

    The judge, being rightly offended, rejected the plea.

    While I am not an expert on California law and am not sure what the effects of fleeing the jurisdiction are, I believe that the effect of the judge rejecting the plea is that a trial must be had if he is to be convicted. And the plea cannot be used as evidence.

    So what the prosecution must decide if it is worthwhile to go forward. Some considerations are:

    1. Can they get the victim to testify. Without her there is no case and if she refuses from Hawaii, what can they do?

    2. As divided as many people are on this case, is it possible to get a conviction in Los Angeles? All the defense needs is one Dino on the jury.

    3. Does the LA DA’s office want another high profile loss?

    4. Is the case so notorious that Polanski cannot get a fair trial? Is the fact that he pled guilty, even though it was to a lesser crime, so well known that he cannot get a impartial jury?

    Should be interesting.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

    Lioncourt, he’s been convicted, but fled before sentencing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#Sex_crime_conviction

    Not much that even an LA jury can do on this one, and I would hope that even an LA jury would pay attention to the fact that he enticed, drugged, raped and sodomized a girl against her will, were the matter to come before a jury again. Hopefully the evasion of lawful incarceration will put him behind bars for a good long time.

    The only shame is that we don’t have caning for perverts like Polanski.

  • robert108

    RG: You know very well that we don’t “do” reasoned debate here at SAB; it’s just a matter of who can produce the largest volume of lying smear against those who disagree; it that fails, pull rank.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    It’s like freekin clockwork — as soon as one of the Darlings of the Left get caught with their pants down, or with their hand in the till, or selling secrets to America’s enemies, the paid Leftard trolls come out with the same exact methods they have used over the past 50 years or so… divert, distract and insult, and whenever possible, use the false equivalence defense.

    Polanski’s guilt is beyond doubt in this case. What he did is clear and indefensible. So what do the knob-schlobbing Left have to say about it?

    Nothing.

    Best to attack an esoteric group of the ultra-religious.

    But, of course, in the midst of that attack, turn a blind eye to the horrendous Constitutional abuses of government in the process:

    The state’s witness has since retracted her accusation

    Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists’ children

    The state alleged that 31 women ages 14 to 17 were pregnant, mothers or both, a count that included 26 mothers whose ages were disputed. As of noon Thursday, just eight mothers remained in the disputed category

    comment: (The government) KIDNAPPED 400 Children, LIED about it, and now at the end of it all, they MIGHT have 7 potential cases of young women under 18 being married and having given birth?

    – comment to Number of underage mothers claimed by Texas continues to dwindle

    FLDS mothers say Texas officials lied to them

    SAN ANGELO, Texas — Texas authorities entered the YFZ Ranch April 3 armed with a search warrant, automatic weapons, SWAT teams, helicopters, dozens of law enforcement vehicles — including an armored personnel carrier — and were met with no resistance from the more than 600 residents of the polygamous community.

    “They first got under the gate under false pretenses,” said Isaac, a 33-year-old FLDS man who did not want to be identified because he has several children who are now under state custody. “They had police cars box in the whole property.”

    Officers in full SWAT gear positioned themselves behind massive limestone rocks carved out of a quarry on the YFZ ranch during the search. Locked gates were forced open, doors were broken in, safes were ransacked and homes were searched many times, Parker said.

    “They went onto the ranch under one phone call that was a pretext,” Parker said. “It seems obvious to me they came prepared to do much more than take one girl out of there.”

    So the Left have established a couple track records here:

    1) Divert and distract from whenever one of their protected ones gets caught red-handed;

    2) Throw out the false equivalence;

    3) Use the appeal that it’s all for the children;

    4) Tacitly applaud vast governmental usurpations of the Constition, using overwhelming, brutal and lethal force;

    5) Kill as many children as you can in the process (e.g. Waco and Ruby Ridge) ;

    6) Bury any further mention of governmental lies, murder and other wrongdoing (e.g. the aftermath coverups in previous governmental attacks on civilians)

    The Salt Lake Tribune and KSL news are now reporting that Texas authorities have forced the FLDS mothers and children who were together since the raid last week, involuntarily apart. KSL reports that the Texas CPS authorities apparently lied to the mothers and children claiming they would simply be moved to another shelter. Rather, they dropped the mothers back at the FLDS ranch, and they are now separated from their children

    Tex. CPS Lied

    Let’s face it. Leftard trolls are, at bottom, hateful cheerleaders for tyrants and perverts, and not necessarily in that order. They hate America and religion, and use their so-called concern for children as a smoke screen to justify brutal governmental abuses of power.

    These are the same folks that called our returning Nam Vets baby-killers and who champion the woman’s right to kill their baby.

    Go figure.

  • tothestars2

    actually, the damn pedophile molested,and raped her. good thing he wasn’t a catholic priest or he would have been crucified by the press and the general public.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    You rightwing f**knuts love it when Christian culters rape kids in Utah. What gives? If Polanski was a luddite, inbred Christian from the Utah backwoods, you f**kers would be spitting and tripping over yourselves to defend it.

    Lick your finger… which way is the wind blowing today ladies?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Carrick.
    You know its true. You were all screeching when the govvy wanted to rescue 12 year olds from consensual marriages. But when Polanski does it, my god! That’s unspeakable!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    If Roman Polanski was arrested with the use of an uparmored John Deere 6-wheeler by the local police force, would you post an image of it to gin up some sympathy for him?

    That’s exactly what Rob did (calling it a ‘tank’) when the govvy wanted to take out the 12-year-old raping Christian culters in Utah (or was it another of the four-corner states?).

    Why isn’t Rob ginning up sympathy for Polanski?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Can we get the graphic testimony of the unconsensually married and raped youngsters of the Utah culters?

    No, just a picture of the cops’ John Deere?

    Oh.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Toot.
    Do you not remember when Rob was posting distracting sympathy posts on behalf of the Utah kiddie rapists?

    I sure do.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    I think what Polanski did was wrong and I also think its wrong to rape 12 year olds, even if you are a Christian culter. You fellas, unfortunately, have a politically motivated asymmetry in your position. You have sympathy for the culters but not for Polanski.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Do you remember or even care about how many of the allegations in that case, the ones the warrants were based on, turned out to be false?

    Not false, it’s just they had a hard time corroborating them because all of the victims were too afraid of beatings and increased abuse. Polanki’s victim was able to testify in an uncoerced situation so that makes this rape so much worse. Uh huh. Yea right.

    BTW, I bet those kids are still getting raped out there. Congrats on your sympathy campaign.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Um, he pled guilty. No need for a trial on the sex crimes. However he is in deep doo doo for fleeing the country.

    I guess I wasn’t aware he’d plead guilty. But even so, I imagine there are sentencing hearings and what not which need to take place.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    But yeah, I guess I’m kind of a stickler about the constitution and that whole “due process” thing.

    Over here you are for due process and the Swiss authorities cooperating with American laws, but over there you laud their non-cooperation, indeed their lawbreaking, and all of the lawbreakers who they aid and abet. Yea. You selectively support due process. You selectively support extraditions.

    Mr. Principles! Send me some of those waffles you have been making; I see you have quite a surplus and they must be quite cheap.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Our leftards now pop up here to support:

    Statutory Rape (the child was 13 at the time)
    Forcible Rape (of a minor)
    Forcible Sodomy (of a minor)

    Thanks DA WIZ, for an inaccurate ad hominem.

    Notice that you have not found an inconsistency, even if we lend your false accusations temporary assumptions of truth. Kristol said a 14 year old woman and Polanski raped a 13 year old child. For those interested in some quick line drawing, your bogus accusation could be avoided. Let’s not resort to that.

    Please show us where, in the comments occurring before your accusation, anyone you disagree with has supported any of the following:

    Statutory Rape (the child was 13 at the time)
    Forcible Rape (of a minor)
    Forcible Sodomy (of a minor)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Kenny

    That you’d defend it is dispicible.

    Please show me any instance of myself defending Polanski. Please. Until then, shut the fuck up. DA WIZ suggests it and away you go. You righties feed upon lies and blow them up so quickly I’m surprised you can still tell your head from your ass.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    That is the basis for any new charges he is facing, and the fact that he fled is undeniable so there’s not much due process left.

    I guess I’m including in “due process” the hearings he’ll be facing when he comes back to the states on new indictments and on being remanded to jail for his past conviction (i wasn’t aware of how far the original proceedings had gotten before he tucked tail and ran).

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Will you stop for a fucking second and think?

    What you want is not justice. The victim herself has repeatedly refused to cooperate further, publicly as much as forgiven him, and publicly stated many times she doesn’t want to deal with this any further.

    In the name of YOUR moral outrage, you’re willing to shove HER through the meat grinder again. YOU’RE willing to shove HER into that melange of bad memories. YOU are willing to FORCE HER into a second rape.

    If she was pushing to get Polanski back, fine. But she’s NOT. She wants it to go away and be over with. This is being done AGAINST HER WILL.

    Justice would have been taking him in decades ago. Oh but wait. Did we all forget that the world was different back then? When the news of this was fresh, the outrage was actually less than the outrage about his acts now.

    Of course back then we weren’t living in a paranoid distrustful society where child molesters are imagined under every bed. In fact, at the time of this incident, child pornography had only just been outlawed in Copenhagen, Denmark where before that it was legal and regulated by the Danes. (Fun fact: It was actually Jimmy Carter and NOT Ronald Reagan who was responsible for the US’ pressure brought to bear behind the scenes on that front.)

    Drugs and teen sex were not so shocking in the late 70s. Louis Malle directed very much young girl Brooke Shields in her first NUDE scene in Pretty Baby.

    It was a far different time and the people of that time had every opportunity to enforce the law back then and fumbled it, treating it with all the importance they today place on a minor assault case.

    Can you imagine ANY director in ANY western nation TODAY directing any ten year old actress in a nude scene? Clearly, most of you are totally unfamiliar with the late 70s and remembering it through the lens of right now in 2009. I repeat, this case was not a secret from the public back then and the public was not nearly as outraged as all of you are today.

    A different time doesn’t change the acts, but what does that say about the America of then? Doesn’t it say tacitly that you’re claiming moral supersession? Doesn’t it also say that you’re finding fault with your predecessors? Finding fault with their sensibilities and their time? If you say no, then how do you justify putting more effort into going after Polanski now than your predecessors did back then?

    Since when is justice entirely variable and subject to the time? The ex post facto rule is not just a rule but a principle that if you do not act when the time of action is called for, you have precious little moral ground to claim later.

    Furthermore, you’re grossly ignorant of the cultural attitudes towards sex and age over in Europe. If you think American values are the world’s values, you’re retarded. Go back to what I said about child pornography once being legal and government regulated. Their ages of consent have all traditionally been under 18 and it is only in recent times that they’ve bowed to pressure from the US to try to raise them. They also have a greater tendency to have a laissez-faire attitude towards sexual peccadilloes and especially over this many decades. Italy, France, etc. are vastly different from the USA culturally.

    Are our values of today inherently better than those of the 70s? Are they better than those of the Europeans? Go ahead and try to make that argument without sounding selectively judgmental.

    Out of your outrage now, you want to make up for all those years. Out of your outrage now, AND NOT FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIM, you want to go after Polanski.

    Fine. DO NOT pretend that this is justice. The time for justice was thirty years ago and we fucked it up. The victim herself has told the world to leave her the hell alone and stop. If you don’t, you’re as bad as Polanski. What he did for his jollies, you’re doing for your own emotional needs. NOT FOR HER.

    I should not have to say I am not defending his actions, but entirely too many people are too stupid to leave without saying it to them. Suffice to say, being against this late in the game attempt to assuage our collective guilt for not acting thirty years ago does not mean being automatically in favor of the act. If you want to paint it that way, fine, whatever.

    But you’re not looking for justice. Just revenge. Like they say, we don’t mourn for the dead but for ourselves. Similarly, you don’t want justice for the victim. In going against her wishes, that is blindingly obvious to everyone but you.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    It’s got nothing to do with her at this point..

    That phase is long over and ended with a conviction.

    Quite right.

    Also, what are her motivations for wanting it to go away? That she doesn’t want the stress of the media hoopla involved with it?

    That’s not a very good reason to refrain from bringing someone to justice.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Not false, it’s just they had a hard time corroborating them because all of the victims were too afraid of beatings and increased abuse. Polanki’s victim was able to testify in an uncoerced situation so that makes this rape so much worse. Uh huh. Yea right.

    Uh, no. Pretty sure the stories turned out to be false.

    But yeah, I guess I’m kind of a stickler about the constitution and that whole “due process” thing.

    I think Polanski should get due process too. That’s why I support his arrest and extradition to America to face trial.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think what Polanski did was wrong and I also think its wrong to rape 12 year olds, even if you are a Christian culter.

    I agree.

    Want to link to where I ever said it was ok for anyone to molest children? Or maybe you’d like to apologize for being an idiot instead.

    The latter would make more sense.

    By the way, a word of warning Sparkie:

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think what Polanski did was wrong and I also think its wrong to rape 12 year olds, even if you are a Christian culter.

    I agree.

    Want to link to where I ever said it was ok for anyone to molest children? Or maybe you’d like to apologize for being an idiot instead.

    The latter would make more sense.

    By the way, a word of warning Sparkie:

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Yeah, Sparkie, I have a problem with the militarization of law enforcement and the way the raid on that polygamist compound was handled.

    Do you remember or even care about how many of the allegations in that case, the ones the warrants were based on, turned out to be false?

    I’m not condoning rape, but it seems to me that I can be against rape and child molestation and also against law enforcement abuse.

    Dino, sorry pal, but 13-year-olds getting molested outrages me. I don’t think there’s anything all that unreasonable about that.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Who said it is a left vs. right battle?
    Why would you conclude this?

    Because liberals are generally supporting Polanski and conservatives generally aren’t?

    That’s how things have been breaking down as I observe them. And yes, Ellinas, I’m going to believe my own observations over your nonsense.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    If Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or some other prominent conservative had been responsible for this hell I’d be all over them.

    Like I said (and as I’m sure you’re saying too) this isn’t a political issue.

    This isn’t right vs. left. This is right vs. wrong.

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