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Friday, July 28, 2006

Byron Dorgan: Big Oil Bribing Their Way Out Of Windfall Profits Tax

What a doofus...

As everyone knows, the way to decrease the price of a product is . . . to raise taxes on it? As contradictory as the notion might sound, it appears to be the Today show's preferred solution to $3/gallon gas.

It was the news of Exxon's $10.3 billion second-quarter profit that gave Today an opening to air its n-th iteration of the 'soaring gas prices' story. In an innovative bit of demagoguery, Today even displayed a clock informing us that Exxon racked up profits at the rate of $1,317.66 per second.

Well, if an American company is making big profits, something must be done to stop it!

Today had no problem finding a lady-in-the-street [at the wheel, actually] willing to weigh in to the effect that it was 'disturbing' that a company could be earning that much money.

NBC chief financial correspondent Anne Thompson, who narrated the segment, informed us "There's a new round of outrage in Washington." Republican Sen. Mike DeWine of Ohio was shown complaining that "there's something wrong when we're paying record prices at the pump while oil companies are making record profits." He didn't tell us just what was wrong, but I guess the message for folks back in Ohio was clear: "I care."

Here's where Thompson started her pitch: "Yet bi-partisan calls for windfall profits tax have gone nowhere."

Byron Dorgan then popped up. The Dem senator from North Dakota bemoaned the fact that 'the oil companies have a lot of friends here in Washington, DC and at the end of the day they pretty much get what they want."


Just another example of how out of touch Byron Dorgan is with economic realities. First he comes out with a book about the outsourcing of jobs when our unemployment rate is at a historically low 4.6%, now he's carping about "windfall profits" that have, in reality, been a boon for his constituents.

Has anyone done a poll of North Dakotans about the windfall profits tax? Because while Dorgan continues of crusade against "wind fall profits" these high gas prices have been a boon for North Dakota's economy. As the oil industry seeks to expand production to meet growing demand they've re-ignited the ND oil industry which had slackened during the low gas prices of the 1990's.

The oil industry has invested in expansive exploration for oil and development of infrastructure in western North Dakota and has been hiring workers to the point where the state's unemployment rate is at a rock-bottom low 3.8%. All this economic movement by the oil industry has also helped the state enjoy whopping increases in tax revenues on both the city and state-wide levels.

Yet if Dorgan gets his way this investment by the oil industry would slow down, if not come to a screeching halt altogether.

What people like Dorgan don't understand is that it is never a bad thing for an American company to make major profits. Sure paying out the nose for gas stinks, but it's not like all the money the oil industry makes goes to a small group of people. The large amounts of money oil industry executives make may be fodder for pandering politicians to ignire some class warfare, but in reality executive pay is a tiny fraction of overall oil industry profits. The majority of those profits are plowed back into this country's economy in the form of jobs, disbursements to investors and other things.

All over the country the oil industry is busy expanding development and hiring new people - just like they are in North Dakota - in order to meet ever increasing demands for gasoline and other oil products. They're exploring for more oil resources and hiring people to do that exploring. They're also hiring people to drive trucks, repair pipelines, drill for oil and all sorts of other things. That is where these "windfall profits" go, not so-called "greedy executives" as some would have us believe.

I simply do not understand the logic that goes behind punishing an American business for performing well. Many of these same people who have it out for Exxon-Mobil are the same people who carp about America's economy being poor. I dispute the idea that our economy is doing poorly (if anything we're in economic boom times), but if the economy truly is bad right now then punishing businesses (which are the economy) isn't the way to go about fixing it.

Comments

Avatar for The Whistler

The largest share of your gas dollar goes to government.

1.  Imported oil is almost exclusively “owned by governments.

2.  About half of US oil production is on government owned land.  I don’t know how much the oil companies pay in royalties, but it’s likely a lot.

3.  If the oil is on private land there is an extraction tax (5% I believe in ND).  Plus the recipient of the royalties pay a large portion of their receipts in income taxes.

4.  Exxon paid I think about 40% of their profits in income taxes. 

5.  How much property tax do you suppose they charge to a refinery.

6.  Not to mention the payroll and income taxes that get charged on what they pay their people.

The Whistler on July 28, 2006 at 07:53 am
Avatar for robert108

And taxes every step of the way from the wellhead to the gas pump.

robert108 on July 28, 2006 at 07:56 am
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Fact: Exxon makes a lot of profit because they sell a lot of product.  Period.

robert108 on July 28, 2006 at 07:58 am
Avatar for The Whistler

I even forgot the roughly 40 cents gas tax.

Exxon makes a lot of money because they offer a product that we want to buy and they do it as efficient as anyone in the market.

The Whistler on July 28, 2006 at 08:01 am
Avatar for Rob B.

Royalty percenteage is usally negotiated. The average for a private party is about 10% before payout and 25% after payout of well expenditures.  I’m not sure what the government land royality cost is but I know it’s normally a little lower.  However, in government drilling you have to bid for lease tracts so that eats up that margin in whole, normallly.

Whats sad is that as a person that works in the industry, it doesn’t take a year of doing it to see how skewed the general publics knowledge of our industry is. It’s as if they can’t gt past the fact that oil companies make a lot of money long enough to figure out that they cost a lot of money to run too.

If you don’t belive that, go look up ARCO on Google. They folded under the weight of their own exploration.

Of course, after a year, you also get used to the other fact: We’re always the bad guy. Always.

Rob B. on July 28, 2006 at 09:11 am
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The average for a private party is about 10% before payout

I want to see if I understand this.  In this case I have oil and the oil company pays me 10% of the gross revenue out of that well?

and 25% after payout of well expenditures.

In this case they pay for their drilling expenses and give me 25% of what’s left?

Of course, after a year, you also get used to the other fact: We’re always the bad guy. Always.

Even when you’re filling up the family truckster?

Actually the oil companies do a good job filling my needs.  Why would I consider them the bad guys.

So of my gas dollar, how much of that money goes to the government?  I spent a couple hours Sunday looking for that as a blog topic.  Apparently there has been no article.  I searched the Energy Department, Google, and Exxon for that info.

The Whistler on July 28, 2006 at 10:23 am
Avatar for Rob B.

I’m sorry, let me clarify. If you own property and the mineral rights and I want to drill on your property here is what normally happens. I’d offer a initial sum of cash, something in the 40k range to secure surface rights for drilling and access right to your property. This covers the fact that I’m going to place a rig, a road, a mud pit on your land while drilling as well as the fact that you’ll have a well head and a pipeline after the well is drilled. This money essentially “lets me in the gate.”
The contract on the other hand says that if we drill and encounter a commercially productive amount of oil, once we begin to produce it you’ll recieve 10% of the sales. Normally, it’s at that amount because your initial sales are used to pay back the cost of drilling the well. It there isn’t enough hydrocabons to commercially produce then it’s game over. You don’t get any additional money, we clean up and go home having lost our investment. However, once a well is “paid out” it’s costs, the percentage will change beacuse you are into profit.

While the percentages will vary before and after payout depending on what is negotiated, most land owners will get paid more after pay out because it smooths the way if you want to work over a well or try another zone for production.

Also another key factor is that the land owner isn’t a working interest partner in the well normally, which mean additional expendatures later may effect thier production dollars in terms of down time from production, but they don’t have to pay the costs of work done on a well.

Rob B. on July 28, 2006 at 11:36 am
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Oil companies based in the United States account for only 13 percent of the world’s production.  What does punishing them by taking more of their 9 cents on the dollar profit accomplish?  Demand is not reduced, but domestic production is.  More foriegn oil is required to meet demand.  We have no control of the price of that oil or the amount of profit being made off of it during production.  The price of gasoline is not reduced.  What was the goal of the windfall profit tax again?

fmp on July 28, 2006 at 02:05 pm
Avatar for Carol Warner

What I find hard to understand is why gas price is not global and, unlike oil, it does not depend on quality and type or distance from markets. Gas price in the United States has always been higher than Europe and average gas price in the world is about 8 dollars per one million BTU. Carol Warner, Arizona Employee Handbook

Carol Warner on September 27, 2007 at 04:18 am

Carol: You are a perfect example of how lefties don’t know squat about economics.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 27, 2007 at 05:00 am
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