Now if he would just pen those Executive Orders to open drilling in ANWR and in the Gulf we would be making some damned progress.

I will not claim that torture is never warranted. But it has to be when we are losing the war, when we are fighting for our very existence.

I think you’ll find your position is at odds with others on the left, Lestat.

That we should wait until we are losing is a bit unsettling. That’s not much of a defensive posture.

2H9: todd correcting your English is like Stevie Wonder critiquing your watercolors!
And for sheer amusement, todd speaking about “intelligence” of any kind is simply overflowing with irony!

Don’t know if it counts for anything, but we have observed in Iraq that our enemy is a learning and flexible enemy, ready to adapt their tactics to our defenses.

Now that the Leftards have made such a show of the fact that we use Waterboarding as an intelligence-gathering icebreaker, I wonder if now that the Immam’s Training School for Boys will now include courses in preparing for and withstanding waterboarding, as the Cuban DGI agents were trained to defeat polygraph examinations?

This is a big reason that intelligence-gathering and investigative methods are deemed sensitive if not outright secrets. Once the enemy knows of a technique or effort, it can be countered.

Damn [strike]terrorist sympathizer traitors[/strike] Democrats.

I gather you are a big John Lennon fan.

Sally: I really torqued off one of my friends who was a big John Lennon fan, when I changed the words to the song slightly (to illustrate its stupidity!):

Imagine there’s no gravity…

r108…I thought it was funny.

This,” My whole point is that certain tactics are allowable based on the level of war you are at.”, is a lie. Spewed by terrorist defending, America hating shitbags like lestupid. sannitized, the racebaitingpovertypimp Democrat spews lies like this, also.

lestupid, your conitnued defense and support of terrorists shows you for what you are. Now blahblah for us some more.

Mike,

This is one of those problems that come up from time to time in which there are no easy answers.

In all conflicts since the Geneva Convention our POWs have been tortured. I’m not using this as an excuse to torture, just pointing out that we have already taken the moral high ground in not committing the same atrocities which were perpetrated on us.

Water boarding, as I believe Rob pointed out in a blog a few weeks ago, would hardly constitute the same traumatic experiences as amputation and such. The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are better fed, cleaner and given far more rights than US soldiers ever encountered in other situations.

Many believe that this technique has saved lives. And to not use it when warranted would itself be criminal.

Well, imagine this, water boarding ain’t torture.

Everybody I have ever heard testify who actually took part in water boarding had no doubt it was torture.

Last weeks testimony was very enlightening. I learned that we did not use the Spanish Inquisition style, but instead used the Khmer Rouge style. That is great company to be put in.

I will not claim that torture is never warranted. But it has to be when we are losing the war, when we are fighting for our very existence. As long as we are in a position of strength it is our obligation not to torture.

But we are no where near total war at this point.

Your denial doesn’t make it so. We are all affected by this war on our way of life by radical Islamic terrorists, even though you refuse to admit it. Even so, your premise is wrong. Gathering intel from those who seek to destroy us is the right thing to do. It’s your construction to demand “total war” as a condition, and then to deny that it exists, thus fulfilling your desire to weaken the US, and produce our defeat.
Nice try, though.

If making a person feel like they’re going to drown can get us actionable intelligence on terrorists (and there is a debate to be had about whether or not it does work I think) why shouldn’t we do it?

First, speak fucking English.

Second, if executing a someone’s entire family Jack Bauer-style can get us actionable intelligence on terrorists, why shouldn’t we do it? If immersing someone in slowly boiling water can get us actionable intelligence on terrorists, why shouldn’t we do it? Or, my personal favorite… if scaphism can get us actionable intelligence on terrorists, why shouldn’t we do it?

Just because you take your talking points from your masters on the right does not mean that I have to agree with every position on the left.

I will not take that from you lestat. I made a reasonable comment and you come back with that.

Now calm down and answer my question. Don’t you think that is defensive posturing? Waiting for something worse to happen? Clintonesque?

It is not an ad hominem attack to ask you how you have sacrificed for this war.

Robert, how have you sacrificed for this war?

If I told you, I’d have to kill you.

You would actually have to sack up and back up your talk. I’m not worried.

I think you’ll find your position is at odds with others on the left, Lestat.

So?

Just because you take your talking points from your masters on the right does not mean that I have to agree with every position on the left.

What you fail to understand that when you are in a position of strength you don’t fight wars for the short term. You try to gain long term victories. Torture is so anathema to the civilized world that it does not help to attain long term victories. Torture is a short term solution.

Refusing to fight terrorism isn’t a “moral principle”; that’s just another one of your leftie lies. You twist words, like a typical leftie.

I agree with his veto, waterboarding capabilities should be intact at all times.

In less than 5 minutes we have obtained important information from Al-Queda’s #2 man through waterboarding.

Yet, the torturing capacity could be abused. Gladly, this will incur more pain upon Muslim extremists and sadly this may hurt more innocents.

God bless.

P.S. McCain is against waterboarding.

Concerning the war on terror, what have you been proud to give for your country?

1sac·ri·fice Listen to the pronunciation of 1sacrifice
Pronunciation:
\ˈsa-krə-ˌfīs, also -fəs or -ˌfīz\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin sacrificium, from sacr-, sacer + facere to make — more at do
Date:
13th century

1: an act of offering to a deity something precious; especially : the killing of a victim on an altar
2: something offered in sacrifice
3 a: destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else b: something given up or lost 4: loss
5: sacrifice hit

Wrong again, commie.

I don’t consider what I have done for my country to be a “sacrifice” in any way.

That is because you are so self centered you think sacrifice is a bad thing. Sacrificing for a cause is a good thing.

But I will rephrase.

Concerning the war on terror, what have you been proud to give for your country?

Lefties=no sense of humor.

My whole point is that certain tactics are allowable based on the level of war you are at.

Your opinion is not shared by anyone else here. We defend ourselves against threats to our liberty by whatever means necessary. Anything less is simply stupid.

Robert what you fail to understand is that adhering to our moral principles makes us strong, not weak. You are the pussy, not me.

Robert, how have you sacrificed for this war?

I don’t consider what I have done for my country to be a “sacrifice” in any way. I feel privileged to have been able to do what I have done. The fact that you think what you have done(if anything) is or was a “sacrifice” is very telling. I think defending our country from those who would destroy our way of life and enslave us as the duty of every citizen, and no sacrifice at all. Your premise is wrong, as usual.

The idea that “everybody” sacrifices to some degree in every war is a false one. Some people sacrifice everything, most sacrifice something, others suffer to no degree at all. Your categorization of conflict based on some ethereal metric is nothing more than a liberal thought process that centers on feelings and emotion.

Mike,

Don’t tell me you buy into the if-we-do-it then our-enemies-will-do-it line?

This administration brings shame on America.
I know it, you know it. Every single American knows it. The Right is in shambles because of it. Millions used to be conservative. They have not stopped being conservative…the republican party stopped being conservative! To deny the truth only weakens your own stance. So much of what you preach on this blog is not true conservatism……you are merely behaving like minions…until the right realizes this you will be marginalized…..and the amazing thing is that you know this is true and refuse to speak the truth…..

Yawn, boring.

Noticed lestupid has never “sacrificed” for America. If it had it would be crowing it to the roof tops.