Bush Tells Brit Hume: I Asked What Tools Were Available To Interrogate Khalid Sheik Mohammed

• January 12, 2009

Which, of course, prompts the liberals to proclaim: BUSH PERSONALLY AUTHORIZED TORTURE OF KHALID SHEIK MOHAMMED!!!
Here’s the video:

BUSH: One such person who gave us information was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. … And I’m in the Oval Office and I am told that we have captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the professionals believe he has information necessary to secure the country. So I ask what tools are available for us to find information from him and they gave me a list of tools, and I said are these tools deemed to be legal? And so we got legal opinions before any decision was made.

Now, we can argue about whether or not water boarding (which we know KSM was subjected to) is an effective interrogation tactic, but calling it “torture” is just plain ridiculous. Making someone scared, making them feel like they might drown, is not torture. It may be uncomfortable. It may be terrifying. But it’s not torture.
And, frankly, if we’re at a point where we can’t even stomach pouring water on the face of the mastermind of 9/11 as a way to get actionable intelligence from him to protect this country we’re in a lot of trouble.

Tags: Domestic Issues, Politics

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Subbob,

Outstanding!

Would you please give the readership a block of instruction on how to enter this new information into Greasemonkey? (which I have downloaded)

I am about to add a troll or two to the BLOCK list.

Fantastic.

Rob, where have you been all this time?
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

Honestly?

I don’t care anymore.

The Muslims’ handmaidens have cried “WOLF!” one too many freaking times for me to give a rat’s ass anymore. Torture ‘em. Fuck it and fuck them. I’ve got better things to worry about. My compassion on this issue was squeezed and killed by years of bullshit claims and bullshit comparisons.

To the left: congratulations, for you have exacted the exact opposite of your stated intent. Do you guys have any other tricks up your sleeves?
2Hotel9

Just one more reason to name a new Air Force Base after W. Although, I love naming the new sewage treatment plant in SanFran after him, it is a necessity, it is state of the art, and it is cleaning shit out of California.

As for terrorists, they have no rights. Period. Waterboard them, all they have to do is inhale inorder to die for Allah. Then resuscitate them, expalin that they can only have death when we GIVE it to them, and do it all over again. And again. And again,,,,,,,,,,
carrick

Hannitized:

extreme mental distressm &heellip; intense feelings of suffering &heellip;

By that definition, going to a scary movie is torture. Don’t you think being detailed against your will would create “extreme mental distress”? Hell for some of you BDS sufferers, having Bush in office for eight years certainly inflicted “intense feelings of suffering”. Spanking a child under this definition would probably even be torture.

This is a retarded definition of torture and even you must secretly realize that.

I have no problems with including “psychological torture” as long as we can develop an objective standard for measuring it. In the absence of that, it is a totally subjective and meaningless term.

Physical torture as a phrase should be limited to the deliberate infliction of bodily harm, and that’s it. Electrical shock for example does damage you neurologically so it’s covered. Any means of generating enormous levels of pain similarly has long-term effects on the brain and would be covered.

If there is no objective evidence of lasting harm to the individual, I think calling it torture (at least in a legalistic sense) is meaningless.

Add yet another ad hominem to Proof’s tally of 13550.

Uh right. LIke you never engage in personal insults. GMAFB.
http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

Hannitized, I’m still waiting for you to prove you know Texas law. I’m sure that just slipped your mind, right, you Lying Marxist piece of shit?

Don’t make me pull Texas law….i know it.

Takes your Shenis over there and prove it, lying fuktatd.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

6 more comments by Proof that are nothing more than ad Hominem’s (sic). First of all, dimwit, “hominem” isn’t capitalized. Secondly, moron, there’s no apostrophe in the plural of “hominems”. Thirdly, thanks for demonstrating to the world just what a clueless buffoon you really are! Heh.

Pointing out just how ignorant you are, Han-job, isn’t an “ad hominem”, it’s a full time career! Heh.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

This is a retarded definition of torture and even you must secretly realize that.

You’re speaking to Humpty Dumpty. Words mean whatever he wants them to mean!

He’s long been in that “camp”, as much as it pains him to “resolve to admit” it! Heh.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

he is just scared to have to get into another debate with me on what words actually mean?

Ha! Does this ignortant twit actually think he came out the better in one of our arguments? He must be having delusions of adequacy again!
2Hotel9

Wow, posting the law which clearly delineates the conditions under which Texas citizens are allowed to use lethal force to defend themselves, their property, and the persons and property of their fellow Texas citizens.

Way to prove that the citizens of Texas are expressly forbidden to use lethal force to defend themselves, their property, and the persons and property of their fellow Texas citizens. You’re so smart your tiny little head must hurt.
http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

The Leftist apologists say he doesn’t even look like a terrorist*.

Neither did this terrorist. Meet Carlos the Jackal.

*This is the last straw. If Barbara Walters doesn’t fire Rosie O’Donnell from “The View” over comments O’Donnell made on today’s episode, then she never will.

Today, O’Donnell said she feels bad for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM). She doesn’t believe he’s responsible for anything in 9/11 or any of the 26 plots which he volunteered to American authorities. Among the worst of her comments, O’Donnell derided airhead pseudo-conservative Elisabeth Hasselbeck (who is ZERO match for O’Donnell on the intellectual scale) for calling KSM a “terrorist,” saying, “So, calling him a terrorist robs him of all of his humanity?”
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community,

In other words, what YOU do in Rob’s threads and mine! Got it, troll!
2Hotel9

Oh, and terrorists have no other rights than the right to die. Period

Now, tell us again how Muslim terrorists are morally superior to real human beings, we never tire of laughing at that stupid shit. Or you.
Hannitized

By that definition, going to a scary movie is torture. Don’t you think being detailed against your will would create “extreme mental distress”?

Now you have entered the first phase of the argument which is to determine, correctly, that the word torture has been “tortured”, to say the least.

But I think to be intellectually honest in this debate would require that we agree to limit the definitions of torture to the meanings that fit the context. This would force us to narrow our focus to that of the definition of number 5.

Physical torture as a phrase should be limited to the deliberate infliction of bodily harm, and that’s it.

Agreed, however that is two words. There still needs to be definitions for the second word which is causing all the problems. The word tortured is used quite commonly these days an not only in the context of causing physical or mental distress.

For instance; Proof we have often tortured the meaning of the word “camp”, during the campaign season.

This is a retarded definition of torture and even you must secretly realize that.

Only to the extent where I might be in a situation where someone would threaten the life of my child or a family member in order to torture me mentally to get what they want.

If there is no objective evidence of lasting harm to the individual, I think calling it torture (at least in a legalistic sense) is meaningless.

Even certain types of physical torture do not cause lasting harm.
FlyOnTheWall

The primary man behind 911, I’m fine with him missing all his fingers and exterminated when he has nothing left to give.

Some reasonable method needs to be in place to determine actual fighters from civilians but for KSM, I wouldn’t mind if they warmed up the plastic shredders for one last go round.
NoJelly

It is strange that some value the life and well-being of a terrorist but have no problem with abortions, or even late term abortions.

Sanity, you have to understand the mindset of the LemmingLeft; Terrorists, death row prison inmates, illegals from the world over, LSS smuggle-ees, they are all potential voters…Get it?

Babies can’t vote, therefore merit no living status to the Left.

It is that simple.
http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

Rob is there any way to have an ignore option so we can ignore morons like Dino and Ruby reader, they bring nothing to the forum and all they are here to do is troll and ruin threads.
http://boyddrivefollies.blogspot.com/ Good Ol Boy

So I ask what tools are available for us to find information from him and they gave me a list of tools,

As for tools, I would start with a claw hammer under the nails, then a Sawz-all between the toes. Then have him shake hands with a chain saw…
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Rob is there any way to have an ignore option so we can ignore morons like Dino and Ruby reader, they bring nothing to the forum and all they are here to do is troll and ruin threads.

I recently thought the same thing. In fact, I’m learning how to script with Greasemonkey (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748) so that I can write a custom ignore script that would work on this site.
http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

Conservatives don’t have a moral standard. They’d eat their mothers if they thought they’d shit MONEY.

Liberals eat their own young. Excuse me, I meant “kill” their own young … can’t have a big belly during bikini season, you know!
http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

Our current president is a buffoon. Torture is illegal, immoral, an unjust.
carrick

I do believe that at least half of his confessions are nonsensical, and if I’m right, that doesn’t speak well of the efficacy of the technique. That and the fact even the CIA discontinued using the method before Congress officially prohibited its use.

That said I have little sympathy for KSM, and feel not a bit sorry for his treatment. He would have done far worse to any of us if he had the opportunity.
sayanything-2407

It is strange that some value the life and well-being of a terrorist but have no problem with abortions, or even late term abortions.

I think some peoples values are scewed.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Conservatives don’t have a moral standard. They’d eat their mothers if they thought they’d shit MONEY.
http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

I say put â€˜em in a room and make â€˜em watch episodes of BROTHERS & SISTERS over and over until they die.

Nah! I’d want them to suffer more than just a couple of days!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah, I think it’d kill me in less than 24 hours!
carrick

Hey, Rugby showed up to hijack another thread!
carrick

Bullwinkle, it does seem a bit implausible that KSM is guilty of everything that he has admitted too. (I think law enforcement thinks so too from things I’ve ready) That doesn’t mean he’s not guilty of some nasty shit, or is some how one of the “good people”.

If Barbara Walters doesn’t fire Rosie O’Donnell from “The View” over comments O’Donnell made on today’s episode, then she never will.

Cut and paste? O’Donnell left a long time ago.
carrick

Lioncourt:

I’m glad to know who your moral standard is.

Simple enough.

The long version of the Golden Rule is “Treat others as you would like [or expect] to be treated, IF you were behaving as they are.”

KSM is a vile human being who would torture you, not that sissy make you think you are drowning shit, real torture with a blow torch and pliers before he beheaded you on a video for propaganda purposes.

I don’t condone mistreatment of prisoners, not because I give a shit about the comfort of KSM, but to the extent that it harms our country’s interests.

If KSM had a bit of a tough time of it, so sorry for the little fuck. He deserves far worse that I’m sure he received.
http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

I am sick and tired of the left shedding tears for people that want to do our country harm. What are we supposed play nice with them and give them the opportunity to carry out their attacks?
carrick

Well yes I agree definition 5 is pretty close. But even this fails, in my opinion.

5. the deliberate, systematic, or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons in an attempt to force another person to yield information or to make a confession or for any other reason; “it required unnatural torturing to extract a confession”

If you put a person in prison, that person suffers as a consequence. Maybe not allowing them access to their religious texts could be torture by this definition. Clearly the simple act of inflicting “suffering” is not in itself sufficient to meet any meaningful threshold for “torture”.

I’m simply suggesting if we are to give the word real meaning it has to be quantifiable. Substantive harm to a person certainly would be such a measure (e.g. as opposed to breaking a finger nail.)

I’ve never been interned period, let alone in a foreign land where the guards share neither my language nor my culture. This is psychologically devastating to nearly anybody it happens too… yet most of us wouldn’t call it “torture” for a person to be lawfully held against his will.

I don’t think that waterboarding would normally cause any long-term physical harm, and no more psychological harm worse than the simple act of internment itself. So while it’s on my list of idiotic ways to gather intel information (for a number of reasons I’ve listed in the past) I just don’t see any reason, other than political, to try and describe it as torture.
http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

Ah! Problem solved.

skjelv is Rugby Reader

If you want to add any others to the ignore list, just insert another parameter into the blocked_ids array.

This only works with Firefox, and you must have the Greasemonkey addon installed.

// ==UserScript==
// @name IgnoreDino // @namespace http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/* // @include http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/* // ==/UserScript== //this is the list of userids to ignore - edit to your own preferences blocked_ids = new Array('http://sayanythingblog.com/profile/DINO','http://sayanythingblog.com/profile/skjelv'); var allElements, thisElement; allElements = document.getElementsByClassName('comment-wrapper'); for (var i=0; i < allElements.length; i++) { thisElement = allElements; for (var j=0; j thisBlockedId=blocked_ids[j]; if (thisElement.innerHTML.match(thisBlockedId)) { thisElement.innerHTML=''; } } }//

imagine

Things are not black and white.
There is a line between questioning and waterboarding.

In the court of global opinion ,we, as a country, have crossed the line.

If we are fine with that then we continue to move in the direction that more than 80% of Americans do not want to move.

The only thing that would make Jan. 20th better would be flushing the entire Senate and starting over. Flush the House also…throw all the bastards out.

Hannitized

Rob says:

Making someone scared, making them feel like they might drown, is not torture. It may be uncomfortable. It may be terrifying. But it’s not torture.

Princeton University defines torture as;

torture

noun
1. extreme mental distress [syn: anguish]
2. unbearable physical pain
3. intense feelings of suffering; acute mental or physical pain; “an agony of doubt”; “the torments of the damned” [syn: agony]
4. the act of distorting something so it seems to mean something it was not intended to mean [syn: distortion]
5. the deliberate, systematic, or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons in an attempt to force another person to yield information or to make a confession or for any other reason; “it required unnatural torturing to extract a confession”

verb
1. torment emotionally or mentally [syn: torment]
2. subject to torture; “The sinners will be tormented in Hell, according to the Bible”

WordNetÂ® 3.0, Â© 2006 by Princeton University.
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I am putting my money on Princeton, and am resolved to admit that Rob has a limited vocabulary.

2Hotel9

See, according to the leading leftarded moron asking questions is torture.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

I am putting my money on Princeton, and am resolved to admit that Rob has a limited vocabulary.

am resolved to admit? Spoken like a man with a truly limited vocabulary.
Or intelligence. Or both.

FlyOnTheWall

I love naming the new sewage treatment plant in SanFran after him…

Bush, doing the much needed work that others disdain.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

I am putting my money on Princeton, and am resolved to admit that Rob has a limited vocabulary.

am resolved to admit? Spoken like a man with a truly limited vocabulary.
Or intelligence. Or both.

imagine

We must have chemical alternatives to torture!? don’t we?

waterboarding is torture. America Tortures. Thanks to this administration we will bear the cloak of hypocrisy for a very long time.

Are we on the side of human rights or not?

(and yes I think KSM is a sack of shit and should have a 45 slug implanted between his eyes at high velocity)

We are either on the high road or the low road. At this time America is on the low road globally.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

I say put â€˜em in a room and make â€˜em watch episodes of BROTHERS & SISTERS over and over until they die.

Nah! I’d want them to suffer more than just a couple of days!

2Hotel9

imagine, simply asking questions is torture according to leftarded morons. Terrorists have no rights, human or otherwise. The only “right” they have is to death. Period. They have chosen this, it is time to give it to them, right up their Muslim child and woman murdering asses.

Lioncourt

He would have done far worse to any of us if he had the opportunity.

I’m glad to know who your moral standard is.

http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

Slap ‘em silly with pork chops!

HG

Thank you subbob. I ignore Dino for his ignorance and what would get his clock cleaned if his comments were made in the presence of his targets — its the only correction a fool might listen too. It will be nice not to have to acknowledge him.

gustave776

Good Ol Boy,
Forgive me for all I said behind your back.

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I Asked What Tools Were Available To Interrogate Khalid Sheik Mohammed

I hope they considered a full-body Brazilian wax job.

Sure looks he could have used it.

gustave776

I guess I won’t want to piss off Good Ol Boy

FlyOnTheWall

We must have chemical alternatives to torture!? don’t we?

The chemical alternatives are considered torture too.

http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

Please see my post at Ignoring the Trolls for instructions on installing and using the Greasemonkey user ignore script.

http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

Would you please give the readership a block of instruction on how to enter this new information into Greasemonkey?

I uploaded the script and it is available here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/40350

From that page, you can click the Install button to add the script to GreaseMonkey.

Currently additional names must be added by manually editing the script.

1. Right click the GreaseMonkey icon in lower right corner of Firefox window.

2. Choose the option to manage scripts.

3. Select the IgnoreDino script and click Edit.

Edit this line:
blocked_ids = new Array(‘http://sayanythingblog.com/profile/DINO','http://sayanythingblog.com/profile/skjelv‘);

4. Add additional blocked IDs in the comma delimited list.

5. Save your changes.

6. Verify the IgnoreScript is enabled. (There’s a check button to enable/disable scripts)

Caveat: I’m writing the above steps from memory as I do not have Firefox & GreaseMonkey at work.

As per the script’s description at userscripts.org:

Known limitation

The script uses the author’s profile tag for identification. Some commenters do not have a profile, so it will not work for them without modification.

Adding people to the ignore list requires manually editing the script source code.

Future Improvements Desired

This was a quick hack job to get the problem solved. An improved version would include controls (perhaps an Ignore button inserted next to the user’s name in each comment) as well as an indication of removed posts, with an option to remove someone from the ignore list.

Acknowledgements

Credit to gutalk_ignore, which I modified to make this script.

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I say put ‘em in a room and make ‘em watch episodes of BROTHERS & SISTERS over and over until they die.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

Oh poof Em are eye tiss, you are my hero.

Hannitized

Carrick, i have to jam to work really quick, will touch base on this later.

Bullshtinkle,

I dropped a bomb for you back on the thread you wanted to discuss. Check out Texas law, Penal Code 9.42.

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm

I am sorry that you reside in Texas and don’t even know the laws under which you live. That is sort of pathetic to argue against the actual facts of the law and claim to be any person of knowledge on the subject.

Ouch.

Hannitized

Add yet another ad hominem to Proof’s tally of 13550.

Notice he refused to lift the intellectual weight of dealing with the argument that deals with legal definition of torture?

This is what you expect from people who fail to have truth and honesty on their side. They give up rather easy.

Or rather, he is just scared to have to get into another debate with me on what words actually mean?

Poof vs. Hanni

2Hotel9

The “court of global opinion”. You mean the “court of global opinion” that turns a blind eye to slavery and the murder of Muslim Children and women by Muslim terrorists because they feel they can not judge another person’s culture? That “court of global opinion”? Really?

http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

On March 10, 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, an alleged Al Qaeda operative reported to be third in command under Osama Bin Laden, claimed responsibility, before his Combatant Status Review Tribunal, for the murder of Daniel Pearl. He claimed to have beheaded him, but did not specify whether he had cut his throat before cutting off his head (Zarqawi-fashion) or cut off his head from the back with a sword or axe, as decapitations were done for millennia and are still done in Saudi Arabia.[13] In a confession read during his Tribunal hearing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is on record repeating:

” I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew Daniel Pearl, in the City of Karachi, Pakistan.[14] ”

This confession repeated, word for word, the phrasing leaked, in 2002, from his controversial interrogation in a clandestine CIA interrogation center.[

That and the video of it was proof enough that he’s a terrorist for me.

He sure looked like a terrorist when he was cutting off Daniel Pearl’s head, and enjoying it.

jk

DINO:RUGBY: Anti-American, anti-Israel, anti semetic, admires Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, Ahmadinajhad and other enemies of the United States, pro-socialism and pro Marxist and communist sympathizer.

Hannitized

6 more comments by Proof that are nothing more than ad Hominem’s.

Poofy,

One of us is actually debating the issue, another is acting the Troll. Guess which job you have signed up for?

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

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Have you see a muslim demonstration against muslim terror?_____
The Best mohammed T-shirt art is from Sweden.
Watch and read the info at,
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