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Couldn’t agree with you more Rob this could be a killer I am sure we will see a lot of politicians from both parties distancing themselves from this one, all republicans need to hope that the people do not perceive this as a party platform. OTOH the dem’s will probably f up a perfect oppotunity here to.

"the haves and the have more, I call you my base” GWB

How do you think his base feels about Amnesty?

He who pays the Piper calls the tune.

Around 3/4’s of the people oppose illegal immigration, according to Andrew Greeley, editorializing in the Chicago Sun Times. Supposedly this comes from racism, but if there were sensible arguments for encouraging the influx of millions of foreign criminals, there would be no need to characterize the people thus. If having so many millions of illegals running loose, without having been screened for anything, were in our interest, it would not be necessary to smear the overwhelming majority as nazis, which Greeley indirectly did.  If only smears are available to those advocating for mass illegal immigration, and perhaps one or two other fallacies, this should make clear to everyone that amnesties are grossly contrary to the interest of the people. Bush should represent those who voted for him, and be loyal to the net taxpayer, without whom there is no largesse to be overgenerous with. The republican party is not about openhandedness and enthusiasm for sacrificing the net taxpayer; if it becomes so, why should the voters take the imitation brand, when the real item is the same price?

The truly scary part of this is the 2 governors calling a state of emergency over border crossing are 2 of the major opponents of stopping illegal immigration over the last 25 years. I remember Senator Richards making the rounds of the Sunday morning shows in ‘96, telling America we were all racsist bigots because we wanted to stop illegal crossings of our southern border. One of his standard lines was"it is simple greed and bigotry” that we wanted to stop Mexican nationals from crossing illegaly. That was 9 years ago. My how times change.

Let’s hope not…

I don’t get it.  I’ve heard exactly NO ONE, from left or right, democrat or republican, advocate opening the borders and letting anyone come in from anywhere—in fact from both right and left, i hear the exact opposite in overwhelming numbers…

What IS the deal?  Stopping illegal immigration has nearly 100% unanimous support from the public!  What is going on here????

(I have a theory about the unspoken conspiracy that is OBVIOUSLY at work here, but would like someone to answer anyway.  WHY can’t we stop this, when EVERYONE seems to be deamnding it?)

I will weigh in one last time on the whole amnesty issue. First, you have to locate the illegals, then you deport them. Going national and telling them you are going to ship their wetback asses to Mexico is only going to scatter your targets all to hell and gone. First, you ID and locate. Then you deport. Are we clear now?

Maybe you guys missed it, but it was announced recently that god-fearing, mostly Republican Caucasians residing in the state of Texas - are now the minority. And, remember Gray Davis’ desperate ploy to give all California illegals driver’s licenses?

This is a blatantly obvious (desperate?) political move to court the Hispanic vote, with an eye towards the 2006 Mid-Terms.

but would like someone to answer anyway. WHY can’t we stop this, when EVERYONE seems to be deamnding it?)

Because, many illegals perform jobs Americans will not. And, their labor (such as Calif. fruit pickers) benefits many of those growers who back Bush and the Republicans. Who also want to go on paying them cheap wages (under the table), with no benefits.

I agree, TCF, but that still doesnt explain it all for me.

I fully understand the commercial interests in cheap labor—legal or otherwise—but any political support from the business community is happening very quietly.  And considering the near 100% populist support for knocking it off, it seems untenable that a politician would ignore is LOUD constituents for the sake of his quiet business interests. 

I don’t see how anyone is going to be re-elected, by ignoring their people on this one—especially if the opponent is with them on it, loud and clear.

I don’t see how anyone is going to be re-elected, by ignoring their people on this one — especially if the opponent is with them on it, loud and clear.

I think the politicians who are pushing for Amnesty and other illegal-immigrant-friendly initiatives are counting on the growing Hispanic base among their constituents to make up for the voters the alienate among other demographics.

I don’t think its a plan that will work, but its the only explanation I have.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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True enough words, JSB.  I guess it is my suspicion however, that—as happens ever few decades or so—a platform of populist xenopobia would be tough to beat, in the current climate.

Another explanation may be that there has developed an attitude among the influential, that the majority may be safely disfranchised on issues such as immigration, international agreements, affirmative action and several others. These issues on which majority views are considered to be illegitimate, have in common that they allow for those who object to such policies,to be classified as racist, xenophobic, selfish skinflints and so on. It requires no conspiracy; only a willingness by the powerful to go with the flow on their level, contempt fpr democracy, and assurance that ad hominem and such fallacies will always work against those who object. They can smear 70, 80 even 90 % of the people and the regulated media and the governments scholars will only back them up.

Illegals perform work at wages and in conditions Americans won’t.
Lik thinks we should all work like illegals. No unemployment, no health Insurance, no union, no disability. Live 8 guys in a studio apt and send any money left over home.
Bring back the 72 hour work week. A race to the bottom.

that colored fella said, Because, many illegals perform jobs Americans will not.

Perhaps part of the answer is that we pay people to not work.  Take away that unemployment and welfare check and Americans will gladly do those jobs.

Illegals perform work at wages and in conditions Americans won’t.
Lik thinks we should all work like illegals. No unemployment, no health Insurance, no union, no disability. Live 8 guys in a studio apt and send any money left over home.
Bring back the 72 hour work week. A race to the bottom.

Nice straw man argument. I guess you don’t have a real argument.

What IS the deal? Stopping illegal immigration has nearly 100% unanimous support from the public! What is going on here????

You must not follow American politics too closely....

Rich people love illegal immigration. We hate it. Who pays more into politicians’ campaigns? This, more than anything else, shows that, as with almost every other issue, demonstrates that class is a far greater division than ideology in modern American government.

[...] This is a colossal waste of money. Why? Because our politicians have, for the most part, taken a position of all but condoning illegal immigration with their statements and policy.  Bush is getting ready to push for amnesty for illegal aliens in the country again. When businesses are found to be employing illegal immigrants they’re only given a slap on the wrist. Banks openly offer services to people in this country illegally. And even when law enforcement takes the border-jumpers into custody they’re often released back into public again with nothing more than a stern warning to show up in court again in a few months. [...]