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Monday, July 31, 2006

Bush Didn’t Veto Stem Cell Research

Interesting...

With astonishment, I read ("Bush beliefs will cost millions of lives," Letters, July 22) about President Bush being responsible for the "death of countless more Americans," presumably for his veto over expanded federal involvement in stem cell research.

Not only is this statement patently wrong, but it also shows that some of your readers do not understand the whole situation. Let me try to remedy this lack of knowledge by the facts as I understand them:

Federal involvement in stem cell research was stopped under President Clinton because of unresolved moral and ethical issues surrounding the stem cell research, like cloning, etc.

In his first televised conference in 2001, President Bush announced federal support of research of 22 sources of human stem cells. In fact, to this day

$90 million in federal funds were spent on this research. What President Bush vetoed the other day was expanding federal money for this research. The original research is continuing. Well, as we all know, when a federal entity starts something, it often ends in either a fiasco or a complete waste of money (the bridge in Alaska to nowhere or Katrina relief being prime examples).

Research on stem cells continues unabashed with private monies or, like in California's example, with state monies. So far some $3 billion has been spent, and by 2010 an estimated

$10 billion will be spent on stem cell research in the U.S. alone. I am happy that California is in the forefront of it.


I think one thing that many people engaged in American politics tend to forget is that on our beautifully crafted system of government there is no need for a one-size-fits-all solution to sticky social issues like abortion, gay marriage or stem cells. Given that our country is made up of 50 sovereign, mostly autonomous states we can theoretically have 50 different solutions to something like stem cells. Or abortion. Or gay marriage.

Our founders recognized that there were few issues that could be solved to a distinct majority's satisfaction from the central government at the federal level, so instead of making the constitution a rule book as to what Americans can and cannot do they laid out in that document a few basic rights that were to be enjoyed by all citizens and then left the power to decided everything else to the various states.

Until the last 50 years or so this has worked well. More recently, however, busybody activists haven't been satisfied with having certain issues decided at the state level. They have sought to force their view on these issues on the country as a whole. In a few instances (see: Roe vs. Wade) they've won by getting judges to read into the Constitution rights and requirements that aren't really there.

That's unfortunate, because I think these issues would be less divisive if the judges and federal politicians would simply recognize the right of the people to decide these issues in their respective states instead of saddling all citizens with a one-size-fits-all solution.

Comments

Avatar for Inquisitor

Good argument, if this was pre civil war times. Fortunatly that conflict decided that there needs to be unified federal laws that overrule state sovereign rights. Or are you going to argue that slavery and segrigation should have been left of to local elections?
Bush’s veto is anagious to the Pope placing Galileo under house arrest for refusing to say he was wrong. That was also considered a moral issue.
This issue is divisive because the religious right have their hands on it not the federal politicians or judges.

Inquisitor on July 31, 2006 at 07:47 am
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another thing is that most great labs in this country have been built with federal government, partially.

The way I see it none can be used for stem cell research, which must be very cumbersome.  So even if state money is involved, Bush has indeed put some cubersome restrictions on stem cell, most of which will probably move overseas now.

aNONOMISLY on July 31, 2006 at 12:42 pm
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Bush’s veto is anagious to the Pope placing Galileo under house arrest for refusing to say he was wrong.

How idiotic is that.  Equating the decision to not fund stem cell research is the same as arresting scientists.

The gap in your logic is astounding.

The Whistler on July 31, 2006 at 12:45 pm
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Confiscating taxpayer money to pay for “research” that private enterprise doesn’t want to do it just bad business, and simply another example of greedy govt.  The veto was the right thing to do.  Right now, stem cell research is pie in the sky.

robert108 on July 31, 2006 at 12:48 pm

Inquisitor shows his lack of intelligence, Good argument, if this was pre civil war times. Fortunatly that conflict decided that there needs to be unified federal laws that overrule state sovereign rights. Or are you going to argue that slavery and segrigation should have been left of to local elections?

How in the world does this argument apply? We’re talking about vetoeing federal spending of stem cell research and you bring up slavery and segregation? How desperate!

Bush’s veto is anagious to the Pope placing Galileo under house arrest for refusing to say he was wrong.

How? Bush merely vetoed federal spending on stem-cell research. He didn’t put scientists in jail.

That was also considered a moral issue.

Other than that (which would apply to nearly every issue out there), they’re not connected in any way.

This issue is divisive because the religious right have their hands on it not the federal politicians or judges.

Wrong. I’ll lay it out really slow for you since you obviously have a hard time recognizing reality. You ready?

This. Is. About. Federal. Spending. On. Something. Better. Left. To. The. Free. Market.

Got it?

likwidshoe on July 31, 2006 at 02:00 pm
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Hmm, no replies yet, just a rant and a statment saying I am wrong.

Inquisitor on July 31, 2006 at 03:24 pm
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I thought it was about murder.

WOOF on July 31, 2006 at 03:44 pm
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Inq,

Perhaps if you could put together something worthy of a modestly cogent reply, you might just get one.

What your comment does betray, aside from two strained metaphors and some really hoorrific spelling, is a mindset which basically argues that if we can do something, then government ought to do it.  In an era when even moderate Republicans are genuinely aghast at the lack of spending discipline in Washington, and Democrats publicly profess to be, it would be far better if you were to offer some sort of reasonable, documentable hope that the spending you propose is worth the expense, and promises some sort of scientific accomplishment in return.

After all, in an era of North Korean ICBM’s and plutonium warheads, there are still a considerable number of persons on the left side of the aisle who insist against all reason and scientific proof to the contrary, that a missile defense system for this country and our allies is an unworkable fantasy.  It seems to me that the same rigorous burden of proof ought to apply to your medical pie-in-the-sky as for our nation’s defense against a demonstrable threat from abroad.  Particularly as the very same reasearch you demand is being done by the private sector already.

On the other hand, it probably would help if you could actually recognize the reply when offered, rather than arbitrarily dismissing it, to be filed under your blatantly anti-Christian bias.

Bat One on July 31, 2006 at 03:52 pm

Inquisitor misses the mark, Hmm, no replies yet, just a rant and a statment saying I am wrong.

Hello! Pay attention. You are trying to compare things that are uncomparable. I gave you the reasons why they are uncomparable. And now you ignore it? You must have no argument.

likwidshoe on July 31, 2006 at 04:24 pm
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