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They’re actually all episodes of the same Body Image series but I have to say that the titles are definitely grabbers.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

We have a similar thing going on in Canada,
our CBC - which we have no choice but to
pay for with our taxes - recently aired a show teaching young boys/teenagers how to wax their testicles, with graphic images and everything.

Johnny can’t read but he sure can wax a mean testicle!

There was also a show about a girl who likes inserting a cucumber in her a** if I remember correctly…

I did not see the shows but I read about them.

Wasting money promoting dysfunctional or totally useless behaviors, that is socialism at work for you!
If you want more of that,
Vote liberal!

To be fair there was a show I did watch and enjoyed too, it was about a young store clerk dreaming all the women in the store were naked…

Man did they pick women with perfect bodies!

Well I paid for it, I may as well enjoy it, right?

And NO, dreaming all women around us are naked is not a dysfunctional thing, most men dream of that some of the time.
At least normal men like me!…

To be fair there was a show I did watch and enjoyed too, it was about a young store clerk dreaming all the women in the store were naked…

That was actually a film submitted to a festival...Sundance I think.  It is called Cashback.  I caught while checking out some of the other submitted short films.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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You are right Rob, thanks for the info.

I actually love the British people subsidize this stuff.

..BBC America carries them and I have come to enjoy shows such as “Mile High” and “Footballer’s Wife’(?) ..also some of the reicy documentaries, like a recent one following around and telling the story of some British people addicted to sex.

..Thank you Bittish people! ..I’m too selfish to even contemplate doing such a thing for ye, lol.

Hi..
I’m Lucy...the girl featuring in the documentary...Lucy: Teenage and Transsexual (Which is just the working title btw).
I got a message through my website to check out your comments and I am really shocked.

“Friend of USA” what gives you the right to comment on people, such as myself, people you dont even know and judge them before even watching the show?!

The comment.."Wasting money promoting dysfunctional or totally useless behaviors, that is socialism at work for you! “

Just shows how bitter you are.
It’s not wasting money at all. I am showing that I am just an ordinary person.
Yes, search transsexual and you get porn sites...so what...search woman or man and you get the exact same.

We are all people and we all have our own personalities and way of life.
I am the opposite to most transsexuals society has been shown through the media.
Watch the damn show, you might learn something new.
And possibly, you might open that mind of yours which is still set to the 40s ignorant view on things.

http://www.lucy-parker.com

Lucy x

I got a message through my website to check out your comments and I am really shocked.

That’s funny you do things like that for the shock value and you’re shocked that some people don’t think that tax money should be spent on projects like that.

“Friend of USA” what gives you the right to comment on people, such as myself, people you dont even know and judge them before even watching the show?!

Well in the US at least you can say still say what you want.  I’m offended by people that think they should have the power to shut someone up.

The comment.."Wasting money promoting dysfunctional or totally useless behaviors, that is socialism at work for you! “

Just shows how bitter you are.
It’s not wasting money at all. I am showing that I am just an ordinary person.

No that shows how divorced from reality you are.

Yes, search transsexual and you get porn sites...so what...search woman or man and you get the exact same.

Well you seem to be an expert on porn transexxual sites so I’ll take your word for it.

We are all people and we all have our own personalities and way of life.

Who said differently.

Watch the damn show, you might learn something new.

If it was worth watching they wouldn’t have to use tax money to produce it.  Private folks would be willing to finance the show and make money that way.

And possibly, you might open that mind of yours which is still set to the 40s ignorant view on things

I think the whole point of the matter was that there was no reason to force people to pay for these shows with their tax money.  People weren’t insulting you, but you felt free to start it up. 

If you’re so completely normal you wouldn’t feel the need to object to someone resenting being forced to finance your exhibitionism.  (not in a naked way).

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Your show is so popular, why are tax payers footing your bill? Why don’t you pay for it yourself?

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It’s not wasting money at all. I am showing that I am just an ordinary person.
Yes, search transsexual and you get porn sites...so what...search woman or man and you get the exact same.

Personally, Lucy, I don’t much care if you’re transsexual or not.  I just don’t see why tax dollars should go to funding your show.  I mean, if you can find people who want to watch your show and get funding from advertisers that’s great.  I probably won’t watch, but whatever.

I just don’t like the idea of citizens being forced to pay for this sort of programming.  Or any programming, for that matter.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Oh and another thing...the title of this little comment thing is not correct...british money isn’t dollars...it’s pound sterling…

Boy Lucy you sure showed us. 

Can you imagine the confusion that using an American idiom of Dollars as money was causing on this US site?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Lucy, pound sterling is in the crapper. What, exactly, is your lame assed point?

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Wow what a debate. “The Whistler” obviously has a fondess for quoting. I won’t do that!

However, I think it is important to remember something. You cannot please EVERYONE!

I happen to know Lucy personally, and I came across this debate through her site. No, Im not Transsexual.

However, programming exists to cater for ALL people, all colors, creeds and “types” of people.

The BBC has a standard charter of which it has to follow the three points as follows: Inform, Educate, and Entertain the public. The BBC also has to provide justification to a government panel every 4 years to justify it’s licence fee. Do you think both the BBC and the government would allow british peoples licence fee to be wasted if they hadn’t felt that programmes such as this did not meet the standard charter.

No, Lucy’s story may not be run of the mill. No, it may not appeal to everyone. No, it might not be to your taste. But however, their is a clear ignorance and arrogance in some of the comments here that show exactly why the BBC would fell that a programme such as this would be both controversial and important.

I respect each of your comments. However, if you don’t live in Britain and don’t pay the licence fee, I’m sorry but I don’t really see why you can enter into such a debate.

To the following:

“The Whistler"-"If you’re so completely normal you wouldn’t feel the need to object to someone resenting being forced to finance your exhibitionism.  (not in a naked way)."-This is not about exhibitionism. Lucy was contacted herself to appear, she didnt go looking for it. She is showing her journey towards womanhood. Its also certianly not about being Normal.

“If it was worth watching they wouldn’t have to use tax money to produce it.  Private folks would be willing to finance the show and make money that way."-This is absolute rubbish, Im sorry.

DO NOT have the ordasity to say she is divorced from reality.

2Hotel9-Do you not understand the BBC? Obviously not.

Rob-I cant stand the fact we pay for lame ass american programmes, but for some reason we do. Dont tell me there is ANYTHING educational about American TV.

ALSO TO WHISTLER-Boy Lucy...HAHA Your funny. NOT

2Hotel9-Crapper...Ha bloody Ha. Her Lame arse point is this…

TO ALL OF YOU…

WHO GAVE YOU THE MORAL HIGHGROUND TO DECIDE WHAT OUR LICENCE FEE IS SPENT ON...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, BOOHOO!

I was born with the moral highground. Now I just have to hold it. I understand the BBC, socialized broadcasting. Freedom of speech, nay, expression, is the right of all humans. Tax funded propaganda is not a right, it is just tax funded propaganda. Normalisation of the abnormal is a tool for breaking down a society from within. And your comment proves it works.

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Oh you quoted me, clever boy, you should go on a talent show...go on...use some taxes up and appear on Simon Cowell’s upcoming talent show.

You can name yourself...the Annoying Dictating Asswipe.

Your skill? Being a shit.

You didn’t offend me, entertain me, or even disturb me with ANY of the comments...so why bother people?

Instead of being lowlives posting messages on a comment board, write to the BBC about it? Or go straigh to the source and complain to the council?
No?
Well that just proves how pathetic you are.
At least im brave enough to stare in the eye of people like you and say im a transsexual, i want to help others like me, so deal with it or fuck off away because i dont need you in my life.

And F.Y.I...i didn’t say I am an expert on transsexual porn...did i? Quote me...Dont add your opinion...just quote where I said i am an expert...you cant dumbass, I said IF YOU SEARCH the word transsexual lots of websites like that appear...however, I am NOT LIKE THAT.

Learn to follow a message, and get yourself booked for a few etiquette classes all of you.
I may be a transsexual, I may be using your so god damn important taxes...but I have something all of you dont appear to have...morals and dignity.

Lucy
http://www.lucy-parker.com

exhibitionism is still exhibitionism regardless of the motive or whether you were asked to do it.

Do you not understand the BBC? Obviously not.

I can honestly say that I do not understand the BBC, or at least how the British allow it to exist in it’s current form.

Dont tell me there is ANYTHING educational about American TV.

vs. the lies and propaganda of the BBC?  I think you mean re-educational.

Keep in mind that this is a ND-USA blog - If the headline “British tax pounds at work” were used, I’d interpret it to mean a tax on fat people or something.

Who left the socialist transvestite grail beacon on?

WHO GAVE YOU THE MORAL HIGHGROUND TO DECIDE WHAT OUR LICENCE FEE IS SPENT ON

but I have something all of you dont appear to have...morals and dignity.

At least at an appropriate level for your cohorts.

Oh you quoted me, clever boy

Lucy: the blockquotes help others to understand exactly which comment above you are responding to.  Otherwise your post becomes incoherent hatespew, like yours above.

Instead of being lowlives posting messages on a comment board, write to the BBC

Our purpose in discussing the foul state of British programming is to ensure that our nation does not end up financing similar crap.  We actually prefer that the Brits continue on their destructive path so we have a real example of what happens when you make such horrid decisions.

i want to help others like me

And you think that taxes should pay for you to do so?

Learn to follow a message

blockquotes would help, thanks.

At least im brave enough to stare in the eye of people like you and say im a transsexual

If you had morals or dignity you would not be in the position you find yourself right now. Good luck with that.

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Preferring not to fund your exhibitionism is not the same as censorship.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Lucy, get to the point. They are American. That means they think that everything is owed to them, should be offered on a plate, and should be free. Don’t bother letting them offend you. They have nothing better to do then discuss the programme listings of a country they don’t even live in, and moan about taxes they dont even have to pay!

Lucy, get to the point.  Don’t bother letting them offend you. They have nothing better to do then discuss the programme listings of a country they don’t even live in, and moan about taxes they dont even have to pay!

Just more malignant narcissism on parade.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Good luck getting out of the position I find myself in right now?
What position is that exactly?
You take your online debates too seriously. I can easily close the window and there you go...i’m out the situation, you should try it sometime.

And yes, I dont quote people, I understand it might make people understand me better...but if they read the whole board instead of a selected few...they would understand

Plus I cant be bothered quoting your shit anyway.

Well considering a few thousand british people are transsexual...yes I think using taxes...which btw, wouldn’t even make a damn dent in the bank account...to provide information to society is useful.

It will save at least 1 life at the least...and unlike you americans, money isn’t an object when it comes to a human beings life.

Now get over it already. The money has been spent, its gone...it never belonged to you americans now go increase your reputation of being obese and quewe up in KFC, then go guest star on Jerry Springer...because that show is SOOOOOOOOO money well spent.

Bye now.
http://www.lucy-parker.com

then go guest star on Jerry Springer...because that show is SOOOOOOOOO money well spent.

I don’t watch it because it’s full of freaks.  Still no body’s forced to pay for it so what’s the harm?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Hey Lucy, I’m a transexual Lucy from Hull too? got msn? i’d love to talk to u, everyone thinks its me appearing onthis documentary lol.

msn:

Lucy x

The BBC uses a publicly funded license fee.  If the public here don’t like what they see, then they complain, and like someone above said - there’s a government review of the licence fee every four years. It costs around £130 ($240-ish?) a year.  The irony is that lots of people don’t actually have the non-terrestial (or non-analogue) BBC3 over here and are thus paying for programming the can’t watch without buying digital set-top boxes. 

However, this is irrelevant - nobody is ‘forced’ to pay the licence fee, there’s a clear choice - you either have a TV or you don’t, and it’s been that way since TV broadcasts started in the UK (November 1936), and we’ve had a specific TV Licence since 1946, when the BBC was the only broadcaster. 

I get the impression that you are all labouring under the mis-apprehension that the “Boby Image” series is a freakshow (like Jerry Springer or something) - when in fact it is educative, informative and needs to be seen.  You take the titles - they’re IRONIC.  Something that from past experience (along with sarcasm) every American I’ve met singularly fails to understand.  The titles are obviously designed to appeal to the “freakshow” element of our fascination with things that we don’t usually perceive as normal (I’ve never met a transsexual), and the programme serves to educate people on things like transsexualism and help people to understand that it’s actually a disability, illness and something you can be diagnosed with. 

I think it’s very dangerous territory you’re all walking on here - none of you have exhibited any understanding of transsexualism or seem aware of the plight of teenage boys who want to be teenage girls.  After reading her website, Lucy obviously isn’t hell-bent on being some horrible porn star - she explains, in detail, how she’s come to her decision - and for someone so young to do something like that which might inspire or help other young transsexuals is a hugely brave thing to do anywhere, let alone the UK.  If any of you had suggested that a wheelchair bound person would be subject to the sort of treatment you’ve exhibited here there’d have been a shitstorm.  Just because it’s obviously an illness you don’t understand (and probably can’t due to the US’s blinkered view of the world) doesn’t mean it’s any different from someone with one leg or something. 

Also, it is ridiculous to suggest that Lucy should fund her own show through advertising… I guess it’s something that you’ll never understand is it.  While we pay a licensing fee to avoid adverts and the like, you all - in effect - pay your “licence fee” (although it doesn’t exist) by buying the produce the adverts you watch inbetween programmes sell you, which in turn obviously helps fund the shows you enjoy. 

Whilst semantically and technically speaking Lucy is indeed “exhibiting” herself, I fail to see why this is a bad thing.  What you have suggested is that Lucy has commandeered our licence fee so she can parade around to suit her own ends.  This accusation is false. 

Perhaps you should all educate yourselves on transsexualism, the BBC licence fee and Lucy before you jump on a doomed bandwagon.  Perhaps you should look at your own taxes and what you are spending your own money on… an illegal war for example? we are both guilty of this… not teaching children about some sciences in some states because it contradicts the Christian view of things? The BBC is not funded by taxes, it is funded by an independant license fee. 

“What your licence provides:
The BBC is paid for directly through each household TV licence. This allows it to run a wide range of popular public services for everyone, free of adverts and independent of advertisers, shareholders or political interests. 94.3% of the UK population used the BBC every month in 2005/2006.”

It is an objective media source in a world of sensationalism - other countries would kill to have what we’ve got. 

Read all about it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/
http://www.lucyparker.co.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tvlistings/programme.shtml?day=sunday&filename=20070325/20070325_2100_4288_11346_60
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html

You are just as happy as can be paying taxes to fund the deconstruction of your society. Good on ya! I’ll just keep fighting not to fund that shit here. People want to produce and broadcast it, they can find their own funding. As for your mental illness of a sexual identity nature, you can just keep splashing it all over the “telie” in England. We have enough of that stupidity on PBS and cable over here already.

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that’s not the point though is it, the point is that young people especially in England have no idea what a transgender identity is, and now some of them will thanks to this programme. 

As for our deconstructive society, I’ve no fucking idea what your talking about.  If you want to examine a deconstructive society, look at the USA who contrived to elect one of the stupidest men on the planet as self-elected ‘President of The World’.

What society are we supposed to be ‘deconstructing’ anyway? The one full of bigoted, sexist racists that plagues the Uk’s society? I think not.  I choose to pay a licence fee (NOT TAXES) to help provide a non-biased programming. 

It’s clear that you’ve not read the comments: Lucy was asked to appear in one of these documentaries to exhibit her illness, not to exhibit herself for her own interests.  I think what she’s done is very brave and will be accepted in the UK - whereas in the small-minded free country of the US of fucking she’d probably be derided for going against a non-specific deity’s wishes. 

I’m sick of the USA, taking the moral highground all the time when their nation is built on inherent hypocrisy and bigotry. 

Well done, let the fucking Eagle fligh high above the flag which I’d take great pleasure in burning. 

God save us all.

haha, sorry about the flag-burning.  I don’t really mean that, it’s a quote off a friend’s university film, shame there’s no way of editing my previous comment. 

Anyway, the rest of it’s still relevant!

I love how people like J tell us to be tolerant of other people’s beliefs and lifestyles, but then tells us that we’re small-minded and bigoted for not agreeing with him.

Tolerant, J.  Real tolerant.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Yes, it is relevent! Teenybopper, uneducated morons like you are happy to have your parents pay taxes in order to destroy your own society. Tell you what,j, when you turn 16 come back and talk to the adult. Till then you are still just another petulant child crying because you don’t like reality. Now go back to reading Harry Potter and swooning over the latest hunky teenheart throb.

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How any American can judge another country when they have Bush in office is beyond me.

Part of the BBC’s quota is to show educational programming; thankfully exploring more than just right-wing fundamentalist point of views. America is supposed to have freedom of speech, yet non-cable television there is among the most censored in the western world. Funny that.

I watched this Yesterday I can Understand where she is Coming From but Come on guys no need to Put people Down because of what they Chose But I think People Tend to Fear what they do not Know or Understand Like if you Cant Say anything Nice then Dont bother saying anything at all

With Respect

John

How any American can judge another country when they have Bush in office is beyond me.

Spoken like someone who has already judged another country!
I think the operative words are “beyond me”. Work on that, will you? and then, get back to us…
Buh, bye!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I have many American friends, and i am glad none of them so far are as small minded as yourself Whistler. In the UK we like do enjoy the occassional episode of family guy, south park etc, but we also like some more real stories. Not real as in “The Women from Kentucky Who Ate the Most Cheese”. I saw Lucy’s program the other night and it was very fascinating. It was also touching and made me think how lucky i am to have found growing up so easily. Also the Pound isnt “In the crapper” - it is the fcking dollar that is worth next to nothing. I dont judge countries by their leaders, i judge people by their actions, and it is sad that people like you feel the need to comment on things that they have not even so much as a vague interest in. Just go flame some kid in World of Wankcraft, you know you want to.

I’m unfortunately not surprised, or shocked about the negative comments on the transexual documentary last night. Why it was put alongside titles such as: “Teens Addicted To Porn”, “My Big Breasts And I”, and “F*** Off I’m A Hairy Woman”, i’ll never know. What these narrow minded people fail to realise, is gender dysphoria is actually a recognised medical condition. (I am a sufferer, by the way.) Of course, the narrow minds and bigots either dont know, or don’t want to recognise this FACT. Cos then it would show up their prejudice for just what it is. Just as someone is born a cripple, so was i born with this horrible, debilitating condition.

I recognise that there are people that modify their bodys purely for cosmetic reasons, or for sexual gratification. (I noticed porn was mentioned) However, i dont believe these people are suffering from gender dysphoria, so it’s hardly relevant. I first felt i was in the wrong body at round about 5 years old. How can a child of that age be sexual, or in any way perverted? I would sooner be fed to a pack of lions, than let ANYONE see me naked. Let alone by millions of net viewers.

I applaud any programme that shows the real agony, distress, torment and trauma that people with this condition have to endure every day. And do open minded and transgendered people not pay taxes? Why shouldn’t they have some programmes made that they find interesting to watch?

Just a final point, I think the rest of humankind is doing a great job of “destroying” our society already, without any intervention from ‘demon’ transexuals. What about the sprialling levels of violence in our schools? Or guns on the streets? Or yob culture? Or homelessness? Or terrorism? “Nooooo let’s forget all that, its transgendered people that are going to be the downfall of our society.” I mean, give me a break, please!!

Lucy Parker cries, At least im brave enough to stare in the eye of people like you and say im a transsexual, i want to help others like me, so deal with it or fuck off away because i dont need you in my life.

Then why are you here? Buzz off or something.

Notice that every British commenter couldn’t resist insulting America with their own brand of narrow-mindedness and bigotry.

And what’s up with the angry transexuals? Good grief. Slow down or you’ll have a heart attack. The way some of you walk around crying about your victim status is sickening. Don’t you know that you’re just painting a sign on yourselves that say “kick me”?

people are people and they’ll do whatever they want to do regardless of others opinions. here in britain we pay for the BBC and we have to watch your shitty over dramaticised boring documentaries about the same old tired crap. the reason the british have insulted the americans on this,is probably because its something that is happening in england and it has nothing to do with americans, if you dont like it,turn it off. and i leave with a question, i wonder if being american will ever be seen as an illness?

bob, I, an American, entirely agree with your assessment of American TV/cable programing. And I apologize for Hollywood.

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here in britain we pay for the BBC and we have to watch your shitty over dramaticised boring documentaries about the same old tired crap.

Sucker! We don’t pay for your crap. I guess all I can tell you is that if you don’t like it, turn it off. Oh, and pay for it while you’re at it. Sucker!

Make sure you pay your TV tax. We’re watching you.

And what’s up with the angry transexuals? Good grief. Slow down or you’ll have a heart attack.

Believe me, if you had to live with the condition, you’d be angry as well.

The way some of you walk around crying about your victim status is sickening. Don’t you know that you’re just painting a sign on yourselves that say “kick me”?

No, lots of people dont need any reason or excuse to attack anyone different from themselves. Certain people will always criticise what they dont understand. So you’re saying gender dysphoric people wont be attacked or criticised, as long as they dont cry about their condition? That’s nonsense, and you know it.

What a fun and intresting debate.

On one side the old empire on the other the ex-colony.

Lets face it the Good Old USA was created on the principles of Truth Justice and Freedom.

Lucy is doing something very basic she making a stand for a group of people who suffer discimination and abuse attempting to show that TS’s are normal people. Its funny I’m sure back in the History of the USA there was a man who did that for another group of people who were discriminated against and abused can’t quite remeber his name, oh yes Doctor Martin Luther King. If the BBC wants to provide support for Lucy in her efforts to become what she truely is well that seems a positive thing to me. The big advantage of the BBC been supported by the Licence Fee is that it doesn’t have to pander to the whims of Advertsing so it can make shows that normal wouldn’t have a chance. Thats a good thing sometimes to make decent show takes a leap of faith and when you have to pander to advertising execs there aren’t many leaps to be seen.

We all share the same DNA we all live on the same planet time the human race grew up and behaved like adults instead of spoilt kids who want all the toys.

I like the little poem I’m supposed to recite before commmenting.  But it seems there are a lot of trolls here, and while I’m sure some of what many of you say is honestly believed, that is what makes you all so frightening.  You believe you have right to be bigoted and hurtful to others.  Why? 

A few points:
You do pay for your own TV in the US, you pay for it with increased prices of the products that pay big bucks to advertise. (You also have to watch the damn ads) You also pay for ours in PBS membership (sort of like a license fee) to watch it, ("you" I realise doesn’t include most of the goons posting here) or to remake pale acceptable copies of what started out as good telly:  Ab Fab, Queer as Folk, etc.

The pound is worth almost two dollars, a major increase over the past several years.  Whose currency is in the toilet?

The crap that is spewed forth from the US, unfortunately is something the rest of the world can’t ignore, since you have such a habit of backing it up with tanks.  I deplore what Blair’s government has brought us into thanks to the thief-in-chief. 

Not sure why I’m bothering, since I won’t return to this site.  Only found it when trying to find out a bit more about Lucy Parker, whose show I watched and found both interesting and positive.  (Lucy, a mate of mine says GO TO THAILAND, the surgeons are better). 
I despair of what the US has become and what its people spout in the name of freedom.  I’m an American.  I’ll never, ever live there again having now lived in the UK and Europe for the past 15 years.  Go back to be an isolationist country.  I’m sorry I can’t be more coherent about this, I really do despair.

Z S K L states, So you’re saying gender dysphoric people wont be attacked or criticised, as long as they dont cry about their condition? That’s nonsense, and you know it.

No, I wasn’t saying that at all. But that was a nice strawman! Did you have fun knocking it down?

“Grownup” said, You do pay for your own TV in the US, you pay for it with increased prices of the products that pay big bucks to advertise.

Yep. It’s called the free market. A wonderful thing about this setup is that it allows choice. If you don’t want to pay for it, you don’t.

The pound is worth almost two dollars, a major increase over the past several years.  Whose currency is in the toilet?

Neither. There’s more to currency conversion than simple numbers. For instance, now you can cheaply buy more of our goods. This is good for both of us.

I deplore what Blair’s government has brought us into thanks to the thief-in-chief.

You’re not a grownup. You’re a child.

I’ll never, ever live there again having now lived in the UK and Europe for the past 15 years.

Thank goodness! Another asshole gone.

Have fun paying our taxes asshole.

Well I was going to be nice but if you can’t join them beat them.

How can a country that allows its service men to kill their allies then cover it up desrve any sort of respect. Its bad enough the USA acts like the school bully against it supposed enemies the fact that they happily kill the people they are working with makes them even worse.

Lucy has never hurt anyone she isn’t any kind of threat to the good old USA, she doesn’t own any oil fields.

No, I wasn’t saying that at all. But that was a nice strawman! Did you have fun knocking it down?

Maybe you didn’t use those EXACT words, but the implication was clearly that gender dysphoria sufferers “ask to be kicked”, if they cry about their condition. And i was merely pointing out a lot of people will attack people like me anyway, regardless of whether we cry about our condition or not.

To: The Whistler,2Hotel9 and others like you on this page

This shows just how weird and warped some Americans views of anything outside of the USA are.

Your whole estranged view of life is astounding to any non Americans in the world (and most likely the actual sensible Americans too) you see you presume that because your some psychotic right wing neo capitalist that people actually give a shit about your opinions on topics that do not relate to you or indeed you know nothing about for example that fact BBC3 is a cable and satellite channel (ergo tax payers do not pay for its programming,only those on BBC 1 or 2) I laugh in your face at this error and to coin a phrase that your adolescents use, You got served!
The problem is that people like you are why the world now hates America (and quite honestly I feel sorry for those actual intelligent ones out of you because they have to deal with it too) now if you people would throw your outdated and quite honestly crazy moral,social & political values maybe people other than your fellow closet nazi friends would listen to you.

You see people like you will be the toked up closed minded zombies that are likely to contribute towards world war 3.Now before you start to get all righteous on other countries and indeed the actual open minded people of your own country try to see what that outdated right wing dogma of yours to name a few:
World War II your allies and indeed economic trade partners in Europe were being killed by the thousands and t took you how many years to help them ? care to take a guess?

Vietnam,oh joy my favourite war how many innocent vietnamese did you self righteous bastards kill in the crossfire between you and your fucking holy war against the communist north? some advice don’t take part in another country’s political system especially if that actual country is in a civil war
one more thing did you people win in vietnam? can you answer,cat got your tongue? because of course America is invincible and everything the iron fist of uncle sam instigates is right and the way of freedom,yeah my arse it is.

Finally oh yes the piece de resistance Iraq you guys are doing such a good jjob over their arent you stealing all their oil & resources,not to mention murdering random people yep it’s a good life ain’t it.

Now don’t even try and get back at me with one of your closed minded self righteous comments otherwise I’ll mention some more of your faults anybody remember Guantanamo you know that little place where people are tortured and their human rights are ignored,the one that’s against UN human rights laws thats the one!

I could go on & on but I’m tired now and need to go downstairs and watch an episode of the always excellent Family Guy but I will leave you too mull over on what I said and for the sake of every open minded person in your country stop and actually think about what your saying whilst looking past the blatant zombie making propaganda inherent in your once beautiful and well minded country oh and while your at it contemplate on how you just got you arses kicked in a political and social debate by a working class 15 year old left wing Brit,again in the words of my OC homies you got burned!.
Adieu!

Maybe we made a mistake saving them from the Nazis…

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

just to clarify I dont hate all of ye hell some of you are on the almost the same wavelength as me: Al Franken for example but come on people the world would be a better pace if everybody was just a little more ope minded and don’t dismiss things off hand that they don’t even know about

just to clarify I dont hate all of ye…

No, just the ones who differ with you.  Some “diversity”.

...and don’t dismiss things off hand that they don’t even know about

Like you?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

In an oddly perverse way, it’s gratifying to realize that ours in not the only public education system in the world whose end-product is intellectually paraplegic adolescents.  That’s no excuse for our own shortcomings, of course.  And it certainly adds to the anxiety to realize that such morons will one day grow old enough to vote.  Still, there’s a reason its called lowest common denominator.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

robert108 we weren’t saved from the Nazis because last time I checked you seem to be one so it turns out that your Old Bushy jr is the new Hitler have fun when he instigates total state control and using your tax dollars on killing your family and friends.
I also couldn’t help but notice you could not come up
with a legitamet argument constructing of Sociapolitical views could that be that your an idiotic redneck? I think so! 

likwidshoe also seems to say that there are no British programs on TV has any of you heard of the office or Extras maybe? the list could go on and on

I notice that it’s only been a few minutes and already your flaming this kid for kicking your arses at a debate.It just goes to show you that some people have nothing better to do than sit around all day talking to underage minor on the internet and threatening them.
Oh and by the way I an American to but I must worn you I am not a WASP so presumably you’ll still be tolerant of me or will you spurt racist crap from your mouths like most other Republican dicks do.
In short leave the poor kid alone it seems that for a 15 year old he knows quite a damn lot about our history and political system so touche kid good argument

it turns out that your Old Bushy jr is the new Hitler

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Bush is Hitler, the moon is made of green cheese and Excom doesn’t have the brain of a chimp!
Now come up with something original and believable!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I am not a WASP so presumably you’ll still be tolerant of me or will you spurt racist crap from your mouths like most other Republican dicks do.

Nicely racist!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Also notice robert108 that at no point did that kid ever mention diversity he mentioned open mindedness It’s a different thing asshole!!!

And quite honestly heres some advice ‘Excom’ don’t try and start a debate with republicans they would rather (to take a metaphor you used) be Zombies to their loving and oh so morally right party than to actually construct a valid debate on anything take a look at (as you have previously mentioned)Al Franken’s opposition it appears that wherever he goes he is confronted with closed minded dicks who are so narccistic they like the smell of their own farts!

So Republicans leave the damn Brits alone in my opion their political system and indeed social state itself is in better condition than ours because contrary to your broken record cries about how America is still the land of Liberty well it seems that it isn’t if people like you want to threaten minors and people from other countries.

So go back to your pencil pushing jobs in the south you damn fascists cause I’m quite comfortable up here in the NYC!

Weshould...,

What debate are you talking about?  So far, all we’ve had from either of you is a tediously superfluous string of adolescent insults.  If that constitutes debate in the minds (?) of today’s rabid radicals, then clearly our education system is even worse than we thought.

Still, give the kid (if that’s what he truly is...) some credit here.  It’s obvious comparing the two comments that his grammatical skills and general level of literacy are well beyond anything that you should aspire to any time soon.

As for your racial makeup, nobody much gives a shit about that, least of all me.  Those of us on/in the Right don’t do quotas, affirmative action, preferences, or excuses.  Results are all that matters in life, kid.  Got game?  Bring it!  If not, take a seat!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

huh proofs avatar looks like that scottish comedian Billy Conolly LOL

to quote the British comedian Jimmy Carr
“Only 90% of Americans have passports, the thing is they act like that is a bad thing”

I like meth any1 here like meth?

Proof,

You worked up a sweat yet?  Me neither.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

worked up a sweat yet?

Nah! weshouldavoteddemocratbutwehadnotcompletelylostourmindsyet wasn’t too convincing…

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

So go back to your pencil pushing jobs in the south you damn fascists cause Im quite comfortable up here in the NYC!

Childish namecalling and puerile insults; how impressive!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

anon, I don’t need a passport. I know who I am.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

At the risk of provoking thought and thus taking several posters on this thread someplace they need a passport, if Bush is Hitler, remind me again how many millions of people were illegally crossing the border to get into Nazi Germany at the time???
Didn’t I read online recently that the number of legal visa applications were filled in record time this year?
Ya know...that’s the trouble when hyperbole meets with reality!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I am truly sorry for you people as you obviously have no idea about what atrocities your government is performing you say that George Bush is not getting to be like Hitler
comparison:
Auschwitz/Guantanamo
I mean it’s like the whole pot/kettle thing all over again.
And the war on terror yeah right those events were just used by your psychotic government with the likes of Dick Cheney instigating a massive operation to exorcise a controlled take over of the middle east through the use of puppet governments and seizure of natural resources.

Also in response to Bat One’s & Proof’s comments which presumably are intended to be provocative to the other people on here who differ in opinion to you but you must understand (though I know it’s hard as right wingers aren’t exactly famous for their command of geography) that Britain and indeed other countrys are in fact from 4-7 hours behind you on the international time scale this would tend to mean that many British people here are actually talking to you at later times than will be presumed by you.

Now I have a suggestion lets invite my old mate Mr Cheney around and all go duck shooting.

You guys just can’t come up with a new charge for why the US wants to free people.

Let me give you an hint. If we went to war to steal Iraq’s oil, we would have it now.  If we were the type to steal oil we would have stolen Kuwait.

In fact retards like you were actually claiming we were in Vietnam to steal their oil.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

comparison:
Auschwitz/Guantanamo
I mean it’s like the whole pot/kettle thing all over again.

Only a mind made up of mush could even begin to make that comparison.

Did those at Auschwitz have their culturally appropriate meals along with their religious book?

No, you say? They were starving and beaten every time they mentioned their religion? Tell me again how this compares to Guantanamo (you know, the place where the prisoners stay alive and gain 30 pounds)?

Buy a clue dipshit.

"Excom”, “weshouldavoteddemocrat”, “dudeinindia”, and “anon” are all the same person.

How typical.

Z S K L had said, Maybe you didn’t use those EXACT words, but the implication was clearly that gender dysphoria sufferers “ask to be kicked”, if they cry about their condition.

Yeah. That’s what I was saying. I’m glad you’re finally up to speed.

And i was merely pointing out a lot of people will attack people like me anyway, regardless of whether we cry about our condition or not.

Which falls under the “no shit Sherlock” category.

“Excom”, “weshouldavoteddemocrat”, “dudeinindia”, and “anon” are all the same person.

lik: Before you conclude that this person is merely a dishonest troll who substitutes sock puppetry for his inability to convince even one other person of his position, consider that he might have multiple personality disorder...you must admit most of his arguments appear to come from someone mentally ill!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Personally, I liked the way he complimented himself on his “good arguments”. He’ll fit right into a society that prizes self esteem over competence!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Personally, I liked the way he complimented himself on his “good arguments”.

Hah. Yep. That’s what gave me the inkling to see if this was sock puppetry. They all end up congratulating themselves.

I did like how he went on about WASP’s and insinuated that we wouldn’t accept anybody but them. Little did this fool realize that about half of us are atheists or agnostics, which is about as far away from Protestant as one can get.

lik: I do appreciate the public service you do in exposing the sock puppets...that way we can stop worrying that at least three of those individuals won’t end up on welfare, reproducing and voting Democrat!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Well he’s probably planning on having sex with one of his other personalities and signing the offspring up for benefits.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

he’s probably planning on having sex with one of his other personalities

I’m sure one will lend him a hand!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

you people are complete idots I am sorry but have you ever heard of a network having a proxy IP jesus Christ and your calling me mental?

ha ha got past your blocking the voice of the people bastards!!!

I hope the younger bloggers out there appreciate the fact that the dishonest trolls are invariably liberal.  Not a coincidence.

Keep it up Excom you’re really advancing your cause.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.