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Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Breaking News: Iraq Study Groups Says We Should Pull Out Troops, But Doesn’t Say Exactly When

Color me totally underwhelmed.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 29 — The bipartisan Iraq Study Group reached a consensus on Wednesday on a final report that will call for a gradual pullback of the 15 American combat brigades now in Iraq but stop short of setting a firm timetable for their withdrawal, according to people familiar with the panel’s deliberations.

The report, unanimously approved by the 10-member panel, led by James A. Baker III and Lee H. Hamilton, is to be delivered to President Bush next week. It is a compromise between distinct paths that the group has debated since March, avoiding a specific timetable, which has been opposed by Mr. Bush, but making it clear that the American troop commitment should not be open-ended. The recommendations of the group, formed at the request of members of Congress, are nonbinding.

A person who participated in the commission’s debate said that unless the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki believed that Mr. Bush was under pressure to pull back troops in the near future, “there will be zero sense of urgency to reach the political settlement that needs to be reached.”

The report recommends that Mr. Bush make it clear that he intends to start the withdrawal relatively soon, and people familiar with the debate over the final language said the implicit message was that the process should begin sometime next year.

So the end result of all deliberation and hype is a proposed threat to the current Prime Minister of Iraq suggesting that we’ll pull out troops out if he doesn’t get the security situation under control?

Does anyone else find that...idiotic?  If the President makes this his official policy and al-Maliki doesn’t get things in line we’ll pull out.  But if al-Maliki does get things in line what will we do?  Pull out, right?  The President has always said that we’d leave once Iraq’s government was able to defend itself, so really either way we’re leaving Iraq. 

Are we really supposed to believe that a threatened pull out is going to make al-Maliki work any harder on this?

If anyone I think the only people such a policy would have an impact on are the terrorists, who will undoubtedly be emboldened by the idea that if they can frustrate al-Maliki’s efforts long enough America will give up and go home.  Which is exactly why this policy is so foolish.  The message the terrorists need to be getting is that of an American force that is resolved to stay in Iraq and work with Prime Minister al-Maliki and any other leaders the Iraqi people choose to get the government and its security forces into a situation where they can be effective and secure.

The message the terrorists don’t need to be getting is one that has America poised to abandon the Iraqis if progress continues to be slow.

I’ll reserve full judgment on this report until it is available to the public, but if the characterization of it in the article is accurate (along with earlier characterizations) I’m not expecting much.

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And I guess we can expect Israel to get thrown under the bus too. Thank goodness we have these unelected commissions to decide our foreign policy for us. Why not just hand all three branches of government over to this idiotic Baker commission while we’re at it?

Watcher on November 29, 2006 at 09:09 pm
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I personally believe the ISG has always been intended as a wink-wink, nudge-nudge softball.  Serve up the “realist” position that the only thing to do is admit failure and leave, so Bush can hit it out of the park. 

And I hope he does - forcefully.  I hope he goes after the very logic you are questioning here.

Sherard on November 30, 2006 at 02:49 am
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Did you really expect James Baker III---the Bush regime’s consigliere---to say anything the Bush regime doesn’t want to hear?

Don Myers on November 30, 2006 at 04:17 am

Did you really expect James Baker III---the Bush regime’s consigliere-

If Genco were alive we’d never have this problem.  Tom Hagen’s just not a wartime consigliere.


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The Whistler on November 30, 2006 at 04:37 am
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WOOF on November 30, 2006 at 05:35 am

I personally think we need to stop dancing around and start taking out these militias. If I was in charge Sadar would have been gonzo a long time ago. Sadar is nothing more than a gansta and I think we need to deal with him that way.


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WOOF on November 30, 2006 at 06:42 am

Rob said

Color me totally underwhelmed.

I’m not sure what else the Group could or would propose under the circumstances so you can colour me whelmed.


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MikeAdamson on November 30, 2006 at 08:02 am
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Really, Mike?

What real policy change is being proposed here?  They’re calling for a withdrawal of troops, but not setting a date.  So what is withdrawal contingent upon?

And how, really, is it any different than what the President is already doing?  He wants our troops out, just not by a specific date and not before our objectives have been satisfied.

I’m not underwhelmed by this report as characterized in this article because I disagree with it so much as I’m underwhelmed because it doesn’t really seem to mean anything.

And if earlier reports about a call for diplomacy with Syria and Iran are accurate then you’re out of your gourd if you support this.


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Rob on November 30, 2006 at 08:41 am

James Baker has never been capable of expressing a thought his wife did not put into his mind. So the appropriate question is, what does she think he should say should be done?


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2Hotel9 on November 30, 2006 at 05:59 pm

What I infer from the proposal is that the continued presence of troops is unlikely to to bring the mission any closer to meeting its goals and so the troops should be withdrawn in a manner calculated to cause the least harm. It’s the obvious conclusion to be drawn and I doubt that the Administration will draw it which means that it will be left to your next President to pull the plug on this misadventure...what a waste of time, lives and resources.


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MikeAdamson on November 30, 2006 at 06:00 pm

So, you put your personal agenda out there for everyone to see. About time.


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2Hotel9 on November 30, 2006 at 06:19 pm
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Mike, for a smart guy you sure do disappoint me.


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Rob on November 30, 2006 at 06:28 pm

Just drop off the key, Lee And get yourself free

When I want good foreign policy advice, I don’t go to Paul Simon song lyrics.  Lefties always crack me up.


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robert108 on November 30, 2006 at 09:26 pm

2H9...I didn’t realise that my position was a secret.

Rob...I hate to see you disappointed but I’m sure you’ll bounce back. Now get off your duff and replace Huard on your roster...Green’s back you know. wink


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MikeAdamson on December 1, 2006 at 04:07 am
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