Book Report: One Second After

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Today’s book report is on the novel One Second After. This is a work of fiction written to help raise awareness of the dangers of an attack on the US with EMP, electro magnetic pulse, weapons.
The story was reminiscent of books such as Alas Babylon by Pat Frank and Lucifer’s Hammer by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven. I understand that Niven and Pournelle are in the process of writing a sequel, 30 some years later than they should have.
I have to compare the story telling unfavorably with those two books. On the other hand it was a good book and a good read. The story follows a retired army officer who lives in an idyllic college town in North Carolina. Early in the story he’s on his cell phone talking to an old friend in the Pentagon when his phone and everything else in the country JUST QUITS WORKING.
The story follows the normal predictable path for the genre as the main character deals with hunger, cannibals and sickness. While the story line is predictable I have to say that it’s upsetting to read the personal struggles that the main character has dealing with his daughters diabetes in a apocalyptic world.
If you liked the books I compared it to, you’ll like this book. If you read those books and hated them then I guess you shouldn’t waste your time.
The author wrote this book to help warn the public about the dangers of EMP. He’s even got a website more concerned about alerting the public than in selling books. (Although it does say that he’s working on a movie deal.)
After finishing this book last weekend I looked into the subject a bit. We’ve known about the dangers of EMP for years, but every year as we get higher tech we are more in danger.
One thing I found out was that we don’t have to only worry about EMP weapons. Solar flares could do a lot of damage as well. These are rare events but they do happen. I guess there was a solar flare around an hundred years ago that would do a ton of damage today if it were to happen.
EMP weapons don’t seem to be that hard to build for a nuclear power. The bigger problem right now would be getting them in place (hundreds of miles above the atmosphere.) I don’t think we have to worry about an Iran or North Korea being able to do it right now, but give them 10 years I think it would be possible. Certainly China could do it and Russia has had the capability for years and years.
That leads me to wonder what we can do about it, which was the purpose of the book after all. It seems to me that we need to decide what needs to be protected and what doesn’t.
I can live without my Ipod and my cell phone but I can’t live without my refrigerator or my hot water heater. Industrial equipment needs to work as do trucks and tractors. I don’t think we’d get along very well without cars. All of those would fail in the case of an EMP attack as the electrical supply grid would fail beyond repair.
But things aren’t all that bleak. In the spirit of Carrick style research I began by looking at the Wikipedia article on EMP. The article had the picture below of the effects of an EMP bomb burst above the center of the US.
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“Because of the curvature and downward tilt of Earth’s magnetic field over the USA, the maximum EMP occurs south of the detonation and the minimum occurs to the north.[23]“

So anyway the EMP will occur and the entire country will be out. Meanwhile I’ll be sitting in that little green zone listening to my Ipod and blogging to myself. Won’t really be that much of a change really.

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  • http://Array sayanything-42

    Rob,

    If you haven’t read it yet, and staying true to apocalyptic themes, I recommend John Ringo’s The Last Centurion (which Glenn Reynolds recommends as well).

    I also recommend SuperFreakonomics as an interesting read which challenges a lot of “common wisdom.”

  • sayanything-12

    Whistler, for an EMP, it doesn’t matter whether the shielding is grounded to Earth, or floating. This is true for a car or a plane.

    We ground outdoor equipment to protect against long-term build up of charge on the equipment.

    I had about 50 sensors in the Nevada desert last summer, attached to over two miles of cable for three months. In spite of frequent electrical storms, we had exactly zero cases of equipment damaged by electrical storms (because this is desert, you are effectively floating regardless of whether it has a grounding rod or not).

    On the other hand, I had two sensors damaged by cattle. :-P

    This EMP thing makes for great books but there are real problems with how the testing for EMP is done that is not very “real world”. “Don’t pay a government agency to find a problem that prolongs their existence,” is a good motto here.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    rbb: You may go back to your irrelevance now!

  • sayanything-1714

    Epitome…

  • sayanything-12

    Hannitized, the only one who can be accused of being childish here is you.

    hannitized is typical of verbal bullies, which is of course what he is. He goes around attacking everybody but can’t stand any heat. And of course he boohoos uncontrollably when one of his fellow bullies get crab-walked off of somebody else’s property.

    Jeez, dude. Get a box of Kleenix and get it under control!

  • sayanything-12

    Another good apocalypse story if you like scifi is Andre Norton’s Starman’s Son.

    Not really an apocalypse but similar (the Chinese take over the US) is The Day After Tomorrow by Robert Heinlein. No relationship to that tepid movie so no worries there.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd
  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Heinlein also had a book “Sixth Column” where the Chinese (Asians) took
    over. Oops, I was double checking it and that’s the same story.

  • sayanything-4625

    Go to baen.com and check out their free library. I love the Baen free library.

  • sayanything-4625

    I thought he was a small dog with glasses!

  • sayanything-38

    Alas, Babylon is one of my all time favorite books, right up there in the top ten of the thousands I’ve read. I can’t recommend it enough to someone who hasn’t read it. I hadn’t thought of Lucifer’s Hammer in years. That was a great read as well.

    One Second After sounds interesting. I haven’t read anything in that genre for a while, so I’ll pick it up this week.

    Thanks

  • sayanything-4625

    No, I have glasses myself!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I believe the acknowledgments said that he had cowritten books with Newt.

    So?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Could someone let me know if sparkieCognitiveDissonancearbuckle ever answers the question of how he can claim in one thread that he never claimed to be a professor and here he blithely speaks of teaching with “other profs”?
    Or is that just what glue sniffing does to you?

  • robert108

    Obama is the one with a terrorist ghostwriter.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Yes, ellinas! “prof” is short for “professor”. That puts you one up on sparkie! Go to the head of the class!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You sniff chalk dust too?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Proof a Luddite.

  • sayanything-1714

    By the way, I’d like to ask Hanni and Dino just how they would respond in the same situation. Would you strike back, or just slink away? – PILGRIM

    Now here is Carrick, the internet bully….no different than the guy in the video, except Carrick is more childish.

    Oh boo hoo!

    Keep crying Hannitized.

    It’s what you do best.

  • Hanni

    Sportispice…if you only knew how i am helping NASA, your head would explode.

  • sayanything-4625

    Hanni,

    You told me you worked for the DOD. NASA is not nor has ever been part of the DOD. Which one do you “work” for the DOD or NASA?

  • sayanything-1714

    I never said “I work for”….i said I work with.

    And yes, I work with the DOD, Federal and State organizations including FEMA and Homeland Security as well as NASA and commercial businesses……..the big ones.

    Don’t make me answer your questions, I will be accused of bragging.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    OH NO! He’s been watching the Power Strangers again.

  • sayanything-12

    That will help, but the main issue you have to deal with (no different than an insulated wood frame home) is electrical surges.

    If you are surged protected (a good one for a house goes for about 5k) you’ll be fine.

    And Rob, no worries about the batteries. They are often used as part of the surge protection system.

  • sayanything-1714

    What do you mean? I agreed with you.

    No, I know you did. I was just pointing out Roberts sillyness….and saying that is why we cant have civil debate here. Why people would deny what people actually do, baffles me.

    I was trying to point out that when people ask questions, and then I answer them, I always get attacked for “bragging”, or talking about myself. That’s all.

  • sayanything-1714

    You missed his bragging about his martial skill in the last thread?

    Typical con internet bully’s. They ask you when the last time you were in a confrontation was, and how you handled it….trying to make you out as a weak punk, then when you answer the question showing you controlled the situation and were the alpha male….they attack you for talking about yourself.

    If if wasn’t for the internet and your phony persona, you guys would have no self esteem at all.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Hanni made a major contribution to “help stop world hunger” today. He ate lunch.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Very interesting. But since a car isn’t grounded the charge doesn’t have a
    good way to go to ground.

  • sayanything-3417

    Let’s see… a little personal responsibility is the key to survival here, but since most of the country has been brought up on depending on technology and other people, yes firing off a large EMP will most definitely have grave effects on our society.

  • sayanything-1714

    Kenny has to claim everything I say is a lie, because believing it is too hard to accept. Not to mention it’s not that I lie, it’s that he remembers incorrectly what it was that I had said.

    But what do you expect from Kenny? What does he do for a living?

    There are people who do, and people who don’t……..you guys chose your own life of not doing much. I can’t help it that I am lucky, and involved. I’m up to my elbows in doing very cool things for my country, and yes,….i happen to be connected…by chance.

    You guys are living out the consequences of your life choices….and I am living mine.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Not surprisingly, you got that wrong, too! You were irrelevant before. Your comment was irrelevant, but striving for relevancy on a forum outside your Mom’s basement. To which you were instructed to return.
    I acknowledge that your irrelevancy has not changed since you’ve come to Say Anything. Well, it might have increased a tad, the more acquainted people become with your hyper-partisan, cut and paste methodology.

  • sayanything-12

    Oh boo hoo!

    Keep crying Hannitized.

    It’s what you do best.

  • sayanything-4625

    You still haven’t answered my question, you claim to “work” for the DOD and now you claim to “work” for NASA. NASA is not a part of the DOD, which is it the DOD or NASA?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    And during the coming ice age, my copy of Connelly can be made to release stored up solar energy as heat through an oxidation-reduction reaction!

  • sayanything-51

    Now that’s funny!

    poof, asking if someone answered a question.

    Thanks for the morning laugh poof, you’re a pip!

  • sayanything-3417

    Wow. We’re really pulling out the stops on class warfare, here. Here we have the self-thought “highly-intellectual” liberal trying to make others look lesser than he by upping the vocabulary and parading around what he passes off as an education.

    Where exactly did you cut and paste or excerpt this from? Palmer’s abstract at bbsonline.org?

    My education is in physics, math, economics, and computer science. Nothing in psychology. But that doesn’t mean I can’t puzzle together pieces of psychological drivel into a longer piece of drool with which I can amaze my “highly intellectual” contemporaries or try to beat someone of “lesser” education down.

    Wait a minute… isn’t that what those oh-so-tolerant liberals accuse conservatives of in regards to economy?

    If these “highly intellectuals” were intelligent at all, they would have been smart enough to learn from the mistakes of lefty economies of the past. But instead, they just keep lockstepping it down the same ol’ failpath. But who cares? It’s not their lives they’re destroying… we’re all in this TOGETHER!

    Asshat.

  • sayanything-42

    My number one reason for shopping at Amazon?

    CA collects no sales tax for what I buy there!

  • sayanything-1714

    See what I mean Greg? It’s the reason why there is no civil debate on this site.

    Again, Hanni goes off topic to tell made up things about himself. Ever the lying narcissist.

    I thought you worked for “a utility”.

    Before I was in consulting, I worked for a Telcom, and now I work “with” a utility….privately owned utility.

  • sayanything-1714

    Which shows who the internet bully’s are, right Sparkie??/

    They worship the video of the guy getting harassed by the punk, until he strikes back….and that is exactly what they do to us. They attack us, harass us, verbally assault us until we defend ourselves, either by saying “no, i am not a pencing neck geek, here is my picture”

    “No, i do not live in my grandmothers basement, here is a picture of my house/apt”

    “No, I am not living off welfare, I have a great job, this is what i do”

    “No, i do not jerk off, here is pic of my last girlfriend”

    And then you hit back by showing them the reality, they claim you are bragging.

    The fact of the matter is these guys are internet bully’s, who can’t defend their arguments.

  • sayanything-1714

    Carrick, you can deny it all you want. It just makes you look that more pathetic.

    But this response from you is not only childish, but the epidomy of bullying:

    Oh boo hoo!

    Keep crying Hannitized.

    It’s what you do best.- Carrick

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Other profs? Haven’t you told us in the past that you were not a professor? Having trouble keeping your stories straight, Sparkles?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Sparkie’s really reading “Dick and Jane Go Shopping” and his current issue
    of “Phatt Chix”.

  • sayanything-12

    Rob:

    Whistler turned me on &heellip;

    Ewww.

    TMI

  • robert108

    Again, Hanni goes off topic to tell made up things about himself. Ever the lying narcissist.

    I thought you worked for “a utility”.

  • sayanything-3960

    That will help, but the main issue you have to deal with (no different than an insulated wood frame home) is electrical surges.

    If you are surged protected (a good one for a house goes for about 5k) you’ll be fine.

    Are you telling me the plot to Ocean’s Eleven is BS? That just ruins my faith in Hollywood.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Hanjob is a space cadet.

  • sayanything-3417

    “Beta male”… lol.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    You missed his bragging about his martial skill in the last thread?

    You know, for a guy who says he only wants to talk about the issues, Hannitwit sure tells us a lot of stories about himself!

  • sayanything-12

    Moszer:

    To add my $.02, I read this about 3 months ago, decent story. As an electrical engineer I was a little skeptical of the level of damage caused by the EMP so I asked a few friends that work in power plants. They essentially called BS on most of it. Micro electronics like your IPOD and such are vulnerable but they all thought the power grid really wasn’t.

    Actually that’s pretty much reversed based on historical examples of EMP damage. Most of the damage occurs to the grid (but is limited), and is simple a result of the long horizontal lines acting like antennas.

    The modern car controllers getting knocked out is BS of course.

  • sayanything-51

    Thank you for acknowledging that my comment was relevant.

  • sayanything-4625

    What do you mean? I agreed with you. I can understand why people get confused you said you worked for the DOD, NASA, a utility, ect. I take what people say on the internet with a grain of salt anyway, if you tell me you work for NASA great! I really don’t care. I know lots of people that work for NASA that can’t poor water out of a boot. To be honest with you, your casual acquaintance with the truth and total inability to admit when you are wrong tends make most people on this blog wonder about what you say. If that strikes you as uncivil, I’m sorry but that’s human nature.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Some would say that strip clubs are the epitome of civilization.

    Put’s us ahead of the flithy middle eastern savages.

  • Hanni

    You get the most flak when you are over the target.

    The cons obsession with attempting to belittle me is a veiled attempt to deny that their brittle reality is crafted by conspiracies, stupidity and moronic memes from the fringe.

    Sportie Spice is so bothered by it that he can’t even type intelligibly.

    What a joke.

  • sayanything-42

    Beuhler, Beuhler…

  • sayanything-42

    Sacrilege!

  • sayanything-4625

    You can’t see them on my avatar because elephants are vain.

  • Hanni

    It’s a joke Whistler, relax.

    It’s the conservatives who are quick to tear people down….not the left.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    we have a sun.

  • sayanything-12

    H:

    You get the most flak when you are over the target.

    I’m pretty sure you get the most flak when you are bombing your own cities.

    You also get a lot of flak when you prove yourself to be semi-retarded even as you brag about your sex life and income.

    You missed his bragging about his martial skill in the last thread?

  • sayanything-42

    When one wakes up in a new universe every morning, it would be challenging to keep up with serial lies.

  • sayanything-12

    Calling Hannitized out on his bullying behavior, and pointing out his cowardice in refusing to admit error, no matter high mind-numbingly simple the error was, is now, in Hannitized hazy brain… bullying.

    That’s logical.

    Er. Not.

    LOL.

  • sayanything-12

    Oh! One correction.

    I meant to say “That’s logical, epidummy.”

  • sayanything-12

    Lioncourt:

    That just ruins my faith in Hollywood

    Oops! Sorry!

    LOL.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Well they did. The older cars all started. It was the electronics that
    didn’t work.

    I guess they weren’t setting up 12 volt power systems at home, but then
    that’d be pretty short lived when the power was gone without a means of
    charging them.

  • sayanything-43

    OK, so I’m building a metal framed house with metal siding and I’ll be ok?

  • sayanything-42

    It would explain a lot.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    And that’s a bad thing?

  • sayanything-4124

    Thanks for the recommendation. I read a ton of books each year, both fiction and non fiction, and in many different genres.

    I will look into this book. Never thought about this to be honest. Knew solar flares could cause problems, but didn’t think about a weapons type attack.

    I would love to get partially off the grid . Not for environmentalism, but for control. I hate being dependent on some faceless power station. I live far enough out of town, that we are not a priority to have electricity restored in a timely fashion if there is an storm, etc.

    Partial traditional power and partial off grid power gives you a better feeling of control of your own power destiny so to speak…lol

  • sayanything-1714

    It comes from his incessant talking about how the country would collapse without his assistance.

    And that’s an outright lie as well. It’s all he has….lying and making things up.

    You get the most flak when you are over the target.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    They probably figure, correctly, that in the case of a malfunction and
    oxygen is cut off for a couple hours there’s no brain to damage.

    Well not damage any further.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    If he ever comes around here I’ll have my daughter beat him up.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    You know, Hanni’s comment about one’s head exploding reminded me: Jerry Pournelle talked about how, in the early days of the space program, they used cadavers to test the helmets. Do you think Hanni is testing a second gen helmet? The vacuum between his ears could provide some real world experience!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Nice word you made up there epidummy.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Wow, I’m proud of Hanjob. Hope he liked his mac and cheese.

    Hey Hanni, next time Dog busts you give a special wave to camera so we know
    which low life is you.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    So, sparkles, you’re saying that “prof” is short for “instructor”??? Have you been eating the “smart pills” out of the rabbit cages again? Or just taking grammar lessons from Hannitized?

    Which shows who the internet bully’s (sic) are

    Apostrophobia strikes every twelve seconds!

  • sayanything-2227

    To add my $.02, I read this about 3 months ago, decent story. As an electrical engineer I was a little skeptical of the level of damage caused by the EMP so I asked a few friends that work in power plants. They essentially called BS on most of it. Micro electronics like your IPOD and such are vulnerable but they all thought the power grid really wasn’t.

  • sayanything-4625

    Okey Dokey!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Why don’t you just burn it in the fireplace?

  • sayanything-43

    I have that effect on a lot of people. It’s a burden I carry.

  • sayanything-1714

    It’s “who am I, why am I here”……fool.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    “I always get attacked for “bragging”, or talking about myself.”

    Among other things.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Sounds pretty down serious to me.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I got Michael Connelly’s new book on an EMP resistant dead tree!

  • Hanni

    I think this book was written by Newts terrorist ghost writer…….

  • sayanything-4625

    Just got through reading the Last Centurion. Gives a whole new take on the swine flu. I could see Hillary breaking down like that too.

  • sayanything-1714

    I thought he consulted for Generals.

    Admirals….retired and otherwise.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    How about generating equipment?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    An EMP blast would disable nearly every automobile in range. We put computers on all of them to increase their fuel efficiency, don’tcha know! Cuba would probably become the (functioning) automobile capital of the West!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    No the Kindle 1 was the one they put out for suckers that didn’t have the
    attention span to wait for the full featured reader.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I got Kings new book on my Kindle 2.

  • sayanything-42

    Go to baen.com, you can buy an e-version there in any of several formats (actually, buy one format and you get all).

  • sayanything-12

    Proof:

    An EMP blast would disable nearly every automobile in range

    LOL. Only the corvettes.

    Anything that is enclosed in a metal shell (aka a “Faraday cage”) would be fully protected. That includes nearly all cars of course. That’s why you don’t worry about your car getting incapacitated by the much more violent electrical pulse coming from a lightning strike.

    Traffic control systems are grounded already and enclosed in a Faraday cage as is most outdoor equipment. Not to protect from EMPs but again lightning strikes and against the electrical fields associated with electrical storms (which themselves are on the same magnitude as the EMP strength in typical EMP impulses.)

    There have been actual tests of the EMP effect, the wikipedia article mentions them. None of them have come close to the level of effects predicted in these doomsday scenarios.

    Ironically the US would be better protected than most countries because we have some of the most violent electrical storms on the planet, and hence our systems tend to be better shielded.

  • sayanything-2804

    I thought he consulted for Generals.

  • sayanything-453

    Rob

    I think that’s a good motivation for going off-grid.

    I knew you’d be coming around. I knew you were green deep inside.
    Get your wind turbine. Don’t know how solar cell will fare in N.D.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    No but they could have set up a battery and charging system to run electric cookers or maybe even a small fridge.

  • sayanything-81

    Ha! Chalk dust. You sound like my office mates. They get pissed because all my time working on problems with students causes the office to be coated in a layer of dust, no matter how much cleaning goes on.

    My current reads:

    1) Complex Adaptive Systems
    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8429.html

    2) Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal About the Mind
    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&bookkey=3632089

    3) The Best of All Possible Worlds: Mathematics and Destiny
    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/News/0710ekelandprs.html

    I highly recommend all of them, although (1) is not too impressive if you have read other lit in the field. It’s a primer and most of the models are simple, so they are a good manner to work your way into this stuff. It’s the future of political theory, econ, and much more… As for (2), it’s a classic which I haven’t read yet, so it is getting read. Highly recommended, but a niche book in that it involves anthropology, biology, cognitive science, set theory (fuzzy sets, etc), and philosophy. (3) is brilliant. Everyone should read it. It deals in math, science, history, philosophy, and more. It is written for everyone and is guaranteed to enthrall you. Includes a very interesting discussion of the concept of efficiency/least action and its development in natural law, science, and math. Also pendula, state space analysis, attractors and detractors, and many characters from the history of science, math, and philosophy. Own it!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Thanks for the recommendation!

    Last night I downloaded Go-Go Girls Of The Apocalypse. Not a very serious work as far as post-apocalyptic themed novels go, but it’s been a fun read so far.

    I’m putting Last Centurion on my list to raed now.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Crap, they don’t have Last Centurion for Kindle.

    I’ll have to buy a hard copy I guess.

  • sayanything-4808

    The biggest danger in EMP is targeted EMP bombs, which need not be nuclear, used against specific sites and facilities designed to cause cascade failures across the power and data grids.

    Of course, conventional brute force explosive attacks could achieve the same thing.

    Gordon Liddy warned of this many years ago and no one listened. Specifically interesting was the lack of back-up we have in the way of the largest power transformer assemblies which are not made here in the US and need to be ordered with a lead time measured in many months.

    Thankfully, US intel watches for things headed towards that sector. Well, at least they say they do. How far you trust government competence in anything is another matter…

    Let’s hope they maintain their track record of zero successes by aggressors.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I didn’t say that going off the grid was cost-effective. I just said that wanting to be independent was a better motivation for doing it than some foolish notions about a global warming apocalypse.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Keep your eyes open. They’re trying to do that.

    My senator (Dorgan) is one of the key players.

    Jerks just can’t let anything go untaxed.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    So in the book they could have been using the batteries.

    Interesting.

  • http://twitter.com/HighPlainsBlogr twitter-15692652

    “EMP weapons don’t seem to be that hard to build for a nuclear power. The bigger problem right now would be getting them in place (hundreds of miles above the atmosphere.) I don’t think we have to worry about an Iran or North Korea being able to do it right now, but give them 10 years I think it would be possible. Certainly China could do it and Russia has had the capability for years and years.”

    I dunno. I think North Korea and Iran both have delivery capabilities:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahab-3
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2

    This, of course, is assuming some time of freighter-based delivery:
    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/12/operation-starfish.html

    But I think the issues currently working against Iran and North Korea might be device yield:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Weapon_yield

  • sayanything-453

    Definitions of prof(essor):

    Professor ordinarius (ordentlicher Professor, o. Prof., Univ. Prof.): professor with chair, representing the area in question. In Germany, it’s common to call these positions in colloquial use “C4″ or “C3″ professorships, due to the name of respective entry in the official salary table for Beamte (civil servant). (Following recent reforms of the salary system at universities, you might now find the denomination “W3 or W2 professor”.)

    Professor extraordinarius (außerordentlicher Professor, ao. Prof.): professor without chair, often in a side-area, or being subordinated to a professor with chair. Often, successful but junior researchers will first get a position as ao. Prof. and then later try to find an employment as o. Prof. at another university.

    Professor (Prof.): In addition to the traditional universities there are also Fachhochschulen (FH) as institutions of higher education, mostly referred to as “universities of applied science”. Since a new salary scheme has been introduced in 2005, there are both W2 and W3 professors for the Fachhochschulen as there are for the old universities. Hence, the formal differences have been completely eliminated. A professor at a FH has not gone through the process of habilitation or junior professorship, rather he can apply for the position after his doctorate and at least three years in industry. He or she is not entitled to confer doctorates.

    Professor emeritus (Prof. em.): just like in North America (see above); used both for the ordinarius and for the extraordinarius, although strictly speaking only the former is entitled to be addressed in this way. Although retired and being paid a pension instead of a salary, they may still teach and take exams and often still have an office.

    Junior-Professor (Jun.-Prof.): an institution started in 2002 in Germany, this is a 6-year time-limited professorship for promising young scholars without Habilitation. It is supposed to rejuvenate the professorship through fast-track for the best, who eventually are supposed to become professor ordinarius. This institution has been introduced as a replacement for the Habilitation, which is now considered more an obstacle than quality control by many. Being new, the concept is intensely debated due to a lack of experience with this new approach. The main criticism is that Juniorprofessors are expected to apply for professorships at other universities during the latter part of the six year period, as their universities are not supposed to offer tenure themselves (unlike in the tenure track schemes used, e.g., in the USA).

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    But traffic light controllers would only be a concern in the immediate aftermath.

    The real concernn would be the power grid, no?

    Also, what impact in batteries? Seems like in the book they could have gotten some useful power out of batteries with a converted alternator from one of the cars, cranked manually, to charge them back up.

    Also, it seems doubtful that so many generators were taken out. Especially given how many are pull start.

  • sayanything-81

    Oh no. Hanni is a BETA male! Are you guys gonna have a monkey fight?

    (Rational, civil Rob is really coming unhinged recently. Wifey pissed at you Rob or is it all to do with your party having a f**king meltdown?)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You also get a lot of flak when you prove yourself to be semi-retarded even as you brag about your sex life and income.

    Beta male.

  • sayanything-453

    Get your horses, mules, and donkeys ready.
    A camel or two will help. Sheep, goats, etc.
    And make sure your taxes don’t increase.

  • sayanything-3076

    Reference: http://empcommission.org/docs/A2473-EMP_Commission-7MB.pdf page 115

    For the most part cars that aren’t running should be fine after an EMP event. Of cars that are running, some will have trouble in the red and dark blue zones (mostly sudden shutdowns requiring a restart), but running cars in the light blue and less-effected areas should also be fine other than nuisance errors with non safety critical systems.

    I’d be more worried about the traffic light controllers (page 114 of the PDF); they’re susceptible to complete failure at EMP levels that wouldn’t faze a car.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Alas, Babylon was ok. I love the post-apocalyptic genre but for some reason Babylon wasn’t among my favorites.

  • spartacus

    Up front costs can be demoralizing. Years ago (early ’80′s) I ran a tiny illegal radio station ( about 2.5 kW) for which I built a 12v back up system consisting of several car batteries and a power inverter. I kept the batteries charged with the typical battery charger. That was efficient , but it stayed ota during power failures. Later as surplus solar panels became available I looked into that as a means of of just keeping the batteries charged, those surplus 6v 400ma panels sold for $20 each, so it took $40 to get 12v at 400 ma and I might have to repair them before I could use them. And after all of that the yeild was a measly .4 amps, I’d have to spend $400 to get 4 amps at 12v, inverting the dc to ac then stepping it up to 110 would take it back to just 400 ma in a perfect scenario where there are no losses, which will never happen. I also thought about driving a car alternator or 2 with wind but even then stepping up the voltage of a 160 amp 12v alternator up to 110v would only yield 16 amps without considering losses, and even then only when there’s enough wind to drive the alternators.

    Too late to make that long winded story short, but even with technological improvements the costs involved with going off grid are formidable and will take years to recover, probably more years than the life expectancy of products that are currently available for the task, except for possibly the micro scale nuclear reactor the Japanese have come up with. But you’ll have to lay out a cool million to own one of them.

  • spartacus

    I’m guessing that you’re referring to your not being employed in any aspect of the term is beneficial to them!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Whistler recommended this to me a couple of days ago. In about half way through. Pretty good so far.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    On a completely unrelated note, I’m almost done with this book and I’m not sure what i’m going to read next. And, for once, Amazon is letting me down on recommendations.

    I was hoping to be able to get the new Stephen King book, but it isn’t coming out for Kindle until December.

    So, any recommendations?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Thanks for that Carrick.

    I don’t know enough about the effects of an EMP to say whether the doomsday scenario in the book is realistic. I do think the impact on society was a little overwrought.

    Ten days and people are already forming into cults?

    It kind of reminds me of S.M. Stirling’s Change series (starting with Dies The Fire), which is also based on an EMP-type scenario (though his goes a little further toward some sort of an event that changes the fundamental properties of electrical current, fire (guns and even steam engines don’t work).

    In Stirling’s book, within a couple of weeks after the “change” the Renaissance fair people have taken over and are marching around the countryside in suits of armor.

    Entertaining stuff, but also a little far-fetched.

    I think in a lot of ways modern society, pampered by technology, could be driven to Lord of the Flies type behavior if everything fell apart. But I also think we’d find our equilibrium.

    Just because society falls apart doesn’t mean we’d become the despots and the serfs of old. The sort of subjugation often seen in these books takes generations to put into place.

  • sayanything-453

    Thank you prof Proof. The head of the class is reserved for you.
    I am right behind you though…….

  • spartacus

    I believe the acknowledgments said that he had cowritten books with Newt.

    All anyone would have to do is look at the cover sleeve picture to jump to that conclusion. I just don’t understand how NASA can continue to function while their most brilliant rocket scientist is on hiatus in Hawaii.

  • sayanything-2804

    No, I think he said he’s short for a Professor most of the ones he knows being over 5ft. tall.

  • sayanything-453

    The Whistler in reply to ellinas

    we have a sun.

    “A” sun? Just one sun son?
    Damn son!!! We have two suns in sunny California sonny.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    oh come off it you liar. You aren’t teaching anyone.

  • sayanything-81

    Rob
    That is my current reading list. I think you, in particular, would find the first title very interesting. It has a chapter on Smith’s ‘invisible hand’ and talks about the prisoner’s dilemma ad nauseum. The second title is good — it develops the embodied approach to cognition and the prototype theory of classes. It’s from ’87 so its a little old, but in canon if you have interests that range over those topics. The applications of fuzzy sets to color discrimination is an interesting empirical application of that idea. The discussion of native vs. socially-constructed classes in the color class section is quite good. It also tracks some empirical developments of later Wittgenstein (e.g. Philosophical Investigations and not the Tractatus). The third title is excellent. It presents very interesting problems in math and science in an approachable, historically-based narrative. The treatment of classical physics and integrable vs. non-integrable motions is A+. If you ever wondered what Euler and Lagrange were up to, but are turned off by overly mathematical angles of approach, that title is for you.

    Toot
    Was this title on the RNC-approved bloggers list?

  • sayanything-81

    When I teach, I use the blackboard, a piece of chalk, and pens/paper. Other profs use overheads, power points, etc etc etc. They even have clicker devices for classrooms now and online quizzes, tests, and homework. I do not endorse any of these ‘innovations’. I teach slowly, clearly, on the blackboard and with handouts… I grade handwritten homework from my students one student at a time and I will still be educating folks after the EMP hits. (Although emailing the whole class at once is a perk.) I have yet to teach a class that required so complex a diagram or explanation that I could not get it onto the board. Luckily, the subject matter I teach is amenable to pedagogical practices from the 1100′s through the 1960′s.

  • sayanything-2804

    So, you’re the one responsible for James “What am I doing here” Stockdale.

    Shame on you.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Really? Because you strike me as the sort of guy who believes everything he sees on television.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t think either North Korea or Iran could detonate a nuclear weapon over the continental United States.

    Not from a missile launched from within their borders, anyway.

    They’d have to launch from an ocean-born vessel.

  • spartacus

    I doubt it Han, I love jokes. Speaking of which, Why don’t you tell us how important you are to NASA without divulging any state secretes!

  • spartacus

    Sorry about that, I’m sure you are employed. I meant to sya that your not being employed by NASA in any aspect of the term is beneficial to them. No, that would not surprise me.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    It’s the conservatives who are quick to tear people down….not the left.

    Uh, yeah.

    Maybe you should practice what you preach a bit.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You missed his bragging about his martial skill in the last thread?

    Why do I get the feeling that Hanni probably pronounces karate karat-ay.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Sparkie is clearly pretty insecure in our opinion of his intelligence. His passing off of someone else’s reading list as his own smacka of beta male Hannitized bragging about his sexual conquests here in the comments so we’ll all think he’s a real tough guy.

    Perhaps Sparkie should keep in mi d what Mark Twain said about education not necessarily being a sign of intelligence.

  • spartacus

    ground control to major tom…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Truth hurts.

  • sayanything-2361

    I need to reread that excellent book again but it’s even more depressing as it gets colder.
    “I could see Hillary breaking down like that too.”
    I think Pres. Obama would crack faster, Hillary’s got bigger stones.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think that’s a good motivation for going off-grid. Independence and cost are good motivators. Not some phony potential apocalypse manufactured by people wanting to use it as an excuse for more government.

  • sayanything-1317

    Not believing Hanni doesn’t just stem from his massive lying, though that doesn’t help. It comes from his incessant talking about how the country would collapse without his assistance. “I work for Nasa and DOD and the Pentagon, and the President directly, and this and that, and Bill Gates, and etc. And I’ve also had sex with every hot woman in the USA.”

    That and, despite his insistance that it’s always in response to attacks against him, most of the time it’s offered for no reason.

    Sometimes human nature IS uncivil. But uncivil doesn’t mean wrong.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Lame.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You missed his bragging about his martial skill in the last thread?

    Oh my goodness, he didn’t…

  • sayanything-4808

    Says a child who agreed with every tearing down of Bush no matter how insane and mean spirited.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Doh, should have thought of that.

    Whistler turned me on to Baen.com a while ago and I’d forgotten about it.

    I really, really like shopping at Amazon. So much so that I sometimes forget that there are other places to shop online.

  • sayanything-81

    Proof.

    The term you are searching for it ‘instructor’. Cheers.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Yeah, in the foreward he actually says he has co-written a few books with Newt and that the idea for this story came up during a conversation he had with Gingrich in the writing of one of those books.

    I’m not sure why that’s a big deal, or why it would reflect badly on Newt or this author.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    It’s actually pretty good.

    After the given global apocalypse the last vestige of civilization is a string of strip clubs.

    Totally plausible.

  • spartacus

    feh, secrets, we all know what you secrete.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The Kindle 2…that’s the one they put out for all the bandwagon jumpers so that we could tell the difference between the cool people who got the Kindle right way and all the copy cats…right?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    For what it’s worth, if my BlackBerry and iPod got fried my world probably would fall part.

  • sayanything-453

    So, you’re the one responsible for James “What am I doing here” Stockdale.

    Have mercy on me master!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I’ve pretty much read everything Heinlen has written already. I do have Double Star on my Kindle. Maybe ill read that next.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Someone has Reality Based Bob Quotation Syndrome.

    Though I’m not going to disagree that Whistler is a damn sexy chick.

    You guys knew Whistler is a girl, right?

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