Boehner: “Obamcare Is The Law Of The Land”

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Just in case conservatives needed another solid punch to the guts after Tuesday:

Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

Still, there are some parts of the law, he said, that should be on the table as lawmakers work toward a balanced budget.

Meanwhile, with the path cleared for Obamacare implementation, the floodgates are opening for gusher of new regulations on health care and insurance:

When the law was passed in March 2010, legislators envisaged it extending coverage to 30 million Americans through a combination of state-run insurance exchanges where consumers could apply for federal tax credits toward the cost of premiums, and an expansion of the federal-state Medicaid program for low-income Americans.

Before that can happen, though, significant regulations must start flooding from Washington, including rules for how states and the federal government will operate new health-insurance exchanges where consumers can shop for policies.

Also expected are rules spelling out the terms on which insurers must accept all customers regardless of their medical history, rules governing how insurers can vary premiums based on age and more information about new requirements on employers and individuals to buy insurance.

By the time Republicans get back into a position – with majorities in Congress and control of the White House – to do something about Obamacare it will be entrenched law, much like Social Security and Medicare. Bad policy, but kryptonite for any politician attempting reform.

What will be interesting is to see how many states continue to resist implementation. North Dakota joined several other states, including Texas and Florida, in refusing to implement health care exchanges. With Obama in power for another four years, and repeal off the table, how many of these governors cave?

There remains no benefit to implementing the health care law for the states, other than to obligate state taxpayers to a heftier chunk of paying for it. It is a federal law, and the idea that the states are going to be allowed any real latitude in implementing it is a fiction. Still, though, now that it’s the “law of the land” expect many states to give in.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • AV

    Elements of ObamaCare were lifted from Heritage Foundation ideas, and it’s mostly a very moderate piece of legislation. If the Republicans were smarter, they’d work with the Democrats to improve it.

    • Davo

      And I think that’s the problem. The only improvement to the bill is going to come from the Left, because no one on the Right is seriously discussing their problems with the bill (it’s all “Death Panels!” conspiracy-like nonsense).
      The Right has lost the intellectual foundation that carried them in the 70s and 80s (Buckley, Friedman), and I don’t see any sign that they care to take it back.

      • AV

        Exactly, they’ve backed themselves into a corner, with their “death panels” nonsense, so they’ll lose face if they now try to work to improve ObamaCare.

    • kevindf

      Where are all the new medical personnel to treat all the new patients coming from? What did they do before Obamacare?

      • AV

        Demand creates supply.

        • kevindf

          Instant MDs and RNs? How does that work; Obama voodoo?

          • AV

            You should be thankful that at least someone is planning for the future.

          • kevindf

            The free market always does that; Obama killed it. Good luck, enjoy the long waiting lines. That’s what you voted for.

  • Mike Quinn

    Absolutely amazing how hard the Republicans worked to demean Obama care and how miserably their lies failed in North Dakota. Will they ever learn anything. When will Republicans endorse the common man and quit pandering to the rich?

    • splined

      Government has totally failed to manage something as simple as the postal service. Only the truly naive think government can manage to improve on the best health care system the world has ever seen. How does destroying jobs by taxing everyone more help anyone?

      • Mike Quinn

        Anyone who thinks we have the best medical care in the world has never experienced it. There are a lot of good people who will take care of you, but from the economic end it is one of the worst rip offs in the world.

        • $8194357

          Mike..
          When Soros tanked the currency in Europe with his UN billionair buddies to replace it with the Euro…socialized medicine in England took their mandated contracts for govenment supplies from preferred vendor status and guess who’s hedgefund owned all those medical supply companies the taxpayers of England were now mandated to use?
          Did you say Soros? good answer…
          Who do YOU think will now be the United States vendors of choice for government run health care?
          Go figure huh Mikey…
          The old boy union method of crony political corruptions..

      • chris

        Actually the postal service was deliberately sabotaged by republicans through the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act:

        http://www.uaw.org/articles/republican-sabotage-us-postal-service

        http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4782

        And then they claim, like you, that the government failed. What a nasty setup job.

    • Adam Harris

      Drivel.

    • $8194357

      All hail King Obama..

      Puppet of the UN Bilderberg agendas…

      According to Reuters:

      “Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee’s call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade.

      U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the pact, a charge Washington denies.

      The month-long talks at U.N. headquarters broke off after the United States – along with Russia and other major arms producers – said it had problems with the draft treaty and asked for more time.

      But the U.N. General Assembly’s disarmament committee moved quickly after Obama’s win to approve a resolution calling for a new round of talks March 18-28. It passed with 157 votes in favor, none against and 18 abstentions.”

      U.N. diplomats said the vote had been expected before Tuesday’s U.S. presidential election but was delayed due to Superstorm Sandy, which caused a three-day closure of the United Nations last week.

      Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/11/within-hours-of-re-election-obama-backs-un-gun-grab-treaty/#ixzz2BgmS1Ku7

      • BadgerFan82

        Clearly, easy access to guns from the global conventional arms trade is doing wonders for such lovely vacation destinations as Somalia and Afghanistan. He’s really, truly not going to take your guns away.

        • $8194357

          Because Hiedi says so?
          She understands skools, tractors, guns and such..
          Every communist/facist country follows the ancient islamic practice of confiscating weapons from the dhimmi citizens..
          From old skool islam to Hitler to Castro and Barry..
          A world of unarmed citizens are not citizens, but slaves..
          Non revisionist history lessons applied…

          • BadgerFan82

            How many of your guns have ever been taken by the government (barring cases where they are being held as evidence, perhaps)? And you believe this is going to change because the NRA tells you so?

          • $8194357

            Soros has pushed this UN agenda thru several decades and Democratic presidencies know it all..
            Hillary and Bill were working the UN submission of the second amendment for him way back when they bought into his Chinese assets with him..
            Barry “now” has the flexibility to get er done comrade citizen..

          • borborygmi

            A little wager to make things interesting? I contend your guns will not be taken away by the Fed gov’t in the next 4yrs. I am sure we can find someone to hold the money for us. I trust Rob. How about a little action?

          • $8194357

            Being one of those few who are left who actually “believe” the Bible, gurgle….I don’t make wagers…
            And your right about one thing..

            If they come for my guns…They will not get them unless they do it with “extreme prejidice”..

          • borborygmi

            If they are as big and bad as you say they are I would think you won’t know what happened except you are drawing your last breath,

          • $8194357

            They have more important fish to fry for the greater global good…
            Like Petraus…When you control the UN agendas ruining important folks and controlling the global political slush funds and corruption machines by making and breaking members of the “vangaurd” creating kings and throwing 40 year friendly dictatators under the agendas bus and all….
            they don’t swat at fleas when they can make or break kings..

          • $8194357

            But since you asked anyway fart bubble…

            http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/2009/07/barack-obamas-mother-worked-for-timothy.html

            http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/what-do-obama-tim-giether-the-ford-foundation-fannie-maefreddie-mac-and-muslims-have-in-common/

            What do Obama, Tim Geithner, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?

            May 21, 2010 by weroinnm

            Question: What do President Obama, Tim Geithner, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?
            The following articles and/or blog posts seem to give us the eye-opening answer to this question-You Decide:

            I. Obama’s mother, Stanley A. Dunham, worked for Tim Giether’s Father Peter Geither at the Ford Foundation. Ford Foundation is partnered with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!-Posted on Faith Freedom International-By piggy-On April 16, 2009:

          • $8194357

            Read and learn progressive know it all:

            The power behind the UN….

            http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/2009/07/barack-obamas-mother-worked-for-timothy.html

            http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/what-do-obama-tim-giether-the-ford-foundation-fannie-maefreddie-mac-and-muslims-have-in-common/

            What do Obama, Tim Geithner, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?

            May 21, 2010 by weroinnm

            Question: What do President Obama, Tim Geithner, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?
            The following articles and/or blog posts seem to give us the eye-opening answer to this question-You Decide:

            I. Obama’s mother, Stanley A. Dunham, worked for Tim Giether’s Father Peter Geither at the Ford Foundation. Ford Foundation is partnered with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!-Posted on Faith Freedom International-By piggy-On April 16, 2009:

          • borborygmi

            Judging by the blogs you are reading you and I are worlds apart. Prophesy, NWO and GLen Beck….. sheesh. That way lies paranoia.

          • $8194357

            Thats what I been telling you Lenins lemming…
            Your illuminst false enlightenment leeds you to the
            way that seems right unto a man but in the end
            leads to destruction and death, and that death, death eternal…
            Jesus told ya all about it and was rejected for telling the
            same truth by the decieved…God Bless and take care gurgle..
            HEAR?
            Of course you don’t..
            devils got your ears, mind and soul..

    • kevindf

      Only “the rich” can afford yachts like you enjoy.

      • Mike Quinn

        I can afford a yachts and I can afford to speak my mind. I do not have to hide behind a fake name. Sailing in the sunshine is a great pleasure. Cowering in a rat hole cannot be that much fun. Call me and I will take you sailing, but like every coward you don’t have the courage.

        • kevindf

          You should have someone show you how to click on a hyperlink.

  • kevindf

    Obamacare will implode under its own bloated mass. There isn’t enough medical care to supply all that Obamacare promised. That’s where the death panels come into play.

    • BadgerFan82

      You do realize that the provisions that were framed as “death panels” by conspiracy theorists on the right were a) removed from the final bill and b) were in fact payments to doctors so that they would be more willing to spend time with their patients discussing important end of life decisions that we will all some day face? You know, things like “if the only way you are living is if machines are running your heart, your lungs, feeding you, and removing your waste, do you want to continue the treatment?”

      The belief in widespread conspiracies that seems to be so rampant on the right is truly disturbing.

      • $8194357

        Death panels by any other name is a beurocratic soviet committe making life and death medicle decisions instead of the family and doctor…
        But your “soooo” convincing with your supierior know it all know nothing
        repeting of the “conspirecy” angles ya all use…
        Snake oil salesmen one and all on the left..

        • BadgerFan82

          I know I’m new to this site, but reading your posts is like a blast from the past. They’re the equivalent of a classic Glenn Beck whiteboarding session, where he plays Mad Libs and manages to connect wind power with secret plans to turn us all into Communist voodoo zombies.

          You are obviously entitled to your opinions and also have the right to post them here or basically anywhere else, but may I suggest you take a few minutes and try a mental exercise? Step outside yourself and read your posts and consider how nuts they look to a majority of people out there. I obviously don’t agree with your conclusions, but let’s say that, hypothetically, you are spot on. The way you present your ideas is so abrasive and illogical, you’re not going to make much headway convincing people, and you give conservativism and the GOP a bad name to boot. Perhaps presenting some of your ideas in a format that doesn’t include a conspiracy theory would be more beneficial. Unless you just consider this all a form of venting, and don’t intend to convince anybody of anything.

          • $8194357

            Mock what you yourself don’t understand…

            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

            If you really are what you claim (open minded)
            Take a few days and do the research….
            Communism never sleeps…
            It just changes its name and morphs to knew know it all
            know nothings…
            God Bless now HEAR?

          • BadgerFan82

            This is what I’m talking about. Misspellings, poor syntax and grammar. Wording that just sounds crazy. Wait, are you actually Dan Brown, giving a sneak peak of your next conspiracy novel?

            For all that, the website does look to be a valuable resource of my primary purpose of coming to this site, which is to better understand the mindset of the right.The fact that it actually cites and links to its sources for further evaluation is particularly appreciated, even if a quick scan of the links for a few topics seem to show they only use sites of a similar political persuasion. Also, after reading a couple of articles they rarely seem to provide actual evidence of their anti-liberal claims, merely supposition. Perhaps I’ve looked at too small of a sample size. I’ll continue using this site to inform my discussions.

          • $8194357

            Why am I not surprised by a leftist exihibiting
            elitist arrogance and feeling supeiror?

          • BadgerFan82

            Using proper grammar, spelling, and syntax isn’t “elitist arrogance”, it’s often considered a basic precondition of being taken seriously. I know this falls to the side online, but there are limits.

          • $8194357

            Well badger…
            They didn’t have hundreds of millions in federal funding when i was a kid to diagnose learning disabilitys but what the heck…
            i guess because i ain’t good at english I’m just stupid dumb, huh..
            Go some where else to study us cavemen/dinasuors if ya don’t like it.

          • BadgerFan82

            That leaves us with a pair of possibilities then, doesn’t it? Either you do in fact have a learning disability, in which case you are helping to argue why government funding to help those who start with a disadvantage is so important, or you are a Coulteresque dick, faking for sympathy. Which is it?

          • borborygmi

            oooh You support Federal Funding for the learning disabled. I am proud of you 7.62 for that progressive stance. Perhaps we can meet on some middle ground.

          • $8194357

            You gleen what you already believe gurgle..

            ALL education should be local…

            Not centrally planned from the supreme soviet in DC.

            Ideologies are wicked enimies of the soul.
            Indoctrinating folks into them is the devils agenda.

      • $8194357

        http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/10/un-agenda-21-when-conspiracy-is-not-a-theory/

        Quote:

        The political climate this year has given me little time for my painting career.
        Due to the numerous council meetings, Tea Party meetings, writing and countless emails I send out and respond to, it leaves little time to pursue the thing I most desire to. The following is an op-ed that I submitted to the local newspaper, The Gaston Gazette, following Gaston County Commissioners passing a resolution condemning Agenda21 / Sustainable Development / Smart Growth. What
        follows is a response to a recent article by the same paper that tried to drum up controversy by referring to Agenda 21 as a conspiracy theory. With that in mind….

        Our Gaston County Commissioners have done something very good for which we should all be thanking them. They recently voted unanimously to adopt a resolution rejecting Agenda 21 and all of the tenets therein, a United Nations
        doctrine that has been wrecking the sovereignty of the United States for years. The Republican National Committee this month finally decided Agenda 21 has become so damaging to our nation that they adopted a resolution to condemn the doctrine as part of their platform for the 2012 election. This is late in the day, but maybe now America will realize the seriousness of the internal threat Agenda 21 has become.

        Agenda 21 has been referred to as a “Conspiracy Theory” in this newspaper. And there are many Americans who don’t have an understanding of what Agenda 21 is, or why it even matters. The Agenda 21 plan is readily accessible at the UN website for all to read; 40 Chapters of micromanagement for every square inch of
        the planet. There is a good reason Agenda 21 is not widely understood by Americans. Our government has deliberately been implementing it under other names for twenty years and obfuscating the true intent of the doctrine.

        Agenda 21 was first presented as a treaty in Rio in 1991. Pres. George H. Bush signed it. Part of the treaty, a “Biodiversity Treaty,” was presented to our Congress, but thankfully rejected. Not discouraged by a little thing like our representative government, Pres. Bill Clinton cleverly signed an executive order implementing all of Agenda 21, but used one of the major chapter titles, creating the “President’s Council on Sustainable Development.” This action bypassed every check against executive authority when implementing treaties. A President does not have the authority to implement a treaty without ratification by our Senate. Further, actions of the treaty cannot be funded without approval
        from the House of Representatives. Instead, Clinton’s executive order has been funded by every executive agency in our federal government without the approval of the American people. Pres. Obama has accelerated the spending for Agenda 21 and created by executive order the “White House Rural Council” on the same principles to control all rural areas of the country.

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/video-obama-supporters-celebrate-no-more-israel-kill-those-motherfers.html

        • borborygmi

          Why do the people who are promoting, implementing Agenda 21 let you or anyone else have access to a computer/media to expose them? I guess if I was going to take over the world I would be a bit more secretive. They know who you are no doubt. I can’t figure that out on why they let you speak let alone live. I have always wondered that about conspiracy believers and the conspirators.
          Is the game to hide in plain site? Is it a plan of patience? Why take over the world quickly when you can subvert subliminally over say a millenium? Do they just let you comment because well you know that is just good ole 7.62 being a wing nut Thus discrediting you while all the while advancing the agenda? If the game is played long enough when does it stop being a conspiracy and turn into natural progression of civilization? Just wondering.

          • $8194357

            Because gurgle…
            They been at this agenda since before 1913 and it is so close to being completed they are celebrating before they actually cross the goal line
            and you lemming statist apoligists still think the ball is at the bottom of the democrat/Republican pile at mid field…..

          • borborygmi

            Way before 1913. Free Masons 7.62 goes way back. Shriners are just a public front. Those guys by been trying to control the world for centuries.

          • $8194357

            Since the fall in the garden, gurgle..
            satan has been setting up followers to do his bidding, huh.

    • borborygmi

      Or the Insurance company telling you we aren’t paying for that procedure/drug/

      • kevindf

        The insurance companies have plenty of money now that slackers are forced to buy insurance.

        • borborygmi

          They still control what health care you get or at least what they will pay for. The last thing they need is having a bunch of old folks hanging on cutting into their profits. They do want the young and healthy ones though. Get those premiums going early and often.

  • borborygmi

    Federal law usually means Federal Money and if the states want the Fed money they usually cave in.

    • $8194357

      There is “no such thing” as FEDERAL MONEY.
      They have to tax, steal or borrow it from some one as the government is a liability not an asset…Dang for smart people you leftist are “dumb blind”..

      • borborygmi

        And the States will gladly take it.

        • $8194357

          Ya ignore the fact presented for your ideological confirmation..
          You win again as do all leftist who “debate” with themselfs..

  • borborygmi

    Boehners remarks are like the proverbial rain that starts when you have a flat tire. It just sucks for the Conservatives.

  • Mike Quinn

    The greedy rats we call Republicans never learn. First they stomp on women, and minorities, now they rob normal people of health care. How stupid do they think people are? Do the Republicans think they can go on robbing the peasants to feed the rich? The election apparently has not taught them anything. Their bubble broke and they did not even notice. It is the same old greed driven agenda.

    • Neiman

      It is that kind of delusional misinformation that has created a truly unbridgeable divide in America and will only help to advance our demise. Surely, you do not think your side can rule without support from at least some of the other half of the political spectrum, do you? Or, is that what you anticipate, Obama to rule by decree and use the pink military to put down resistance by force?

      • AV

        Conservatives and progressives are both minorities, with moderates in between. If your side takes their ball and goes home, then all of America will win.

        So, feel free to remove yourself from the discourse.

        • Neiman

          Do you call electing a Marxist (Obama) twice, slaughtering tens of millions of helpless, innocent babies, approving of homosexual debauchery and gay marriage are acts of moderate people? If you do, my Lord and I hate to think what you call extreme.

          You don’t get it, while I will always express my opinion, until you folk at last will fully outlaw the Christian faith, I am already out of the discourse. I did not vote for either of the two evil candidates this year for POTUS, and did not vote for many candidates because my voted is sacred and will not be cast for people that oppose Christ and the Church.

          • borborymi

            Why not Romney?

          • $8194357

            That is the knew “moderate” Nieman..
            Gender bending communist is the moderate center..
            Lennist/jihadist sharia is now leaning left..

          • Neiman

            It is doublespeak, newspeak, the language of the New Age; killing a helpless, innocent baby is not murder, it is family planning. They are not liberals anymore, they are progressives. It is not taxes, it is revenue enhancements and on and on they simply change the definitions of words, not knowing what the definition of is – is.

            That is why it is impossible to debate them and search for the truth, they use the same words, but to them those words have changed their meanings. For instance, Gay Bob loves to say, “why do you hate America?” But, it is a socialist America he is talking about, not the one the founding fathers gave us. Not agreeing = hate, only agreeing with them equals love.

            As the poor physician screamed to the Heavens at the end of the Bridge on the River Kwai, “Madness, its madness!”

          • $8194357

            Jesus told us the truth about ourselves as well and was crucified for it as they rejected His Truth for the devils deceptions…
            Abe Lincoln knew way back when…
            A thing called by any other name…IS “still” the thing..

          • borborygmi

            One of the all time great movies.

          • borborygmi

            So you won’t vote for a Mormon?

          • Neiman

            NO!

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            But you supported the Mormon, right Old Pal?

          • willieB

            But you supported the Muslim Marxist, right booooob?

            The worst is yet to come…unless you’re one of the many moochers who has to depend on the government give aways to live. Uh Oh…I just answered my own question.

          • Neiman

            LIAR!

          • borborygmi

            I had heard that 3 million Evangelical Conservatives didn’t vote because they thought that Romney wasn’t a Christian. I didn’t think that it was possible but ,well,….. an inkling of truth.
            Do you believe the Founding Fathers intended the United States be a Christian Nation rather then a spiritual nation?

          • Neiman

            I know I did not vote at all because I could never vote Obama, a thoroughly evil man; and not Romney; solely because he is a Mormon, which is a false religion, neither did those close to me. So, I think it is possible many evangelicals did the same,.

            They said it was a Christian nation as to the overwhelming confessions of faith, it was started as 13 Christian Colonies, we enshrined God in our national charter (DOI) and the words and actions of our Founding Fathers and political leaders for about a century and a half were almost exclusively supportive of the Christian faith and no other. Yet, because they were Christians and knew religious persecution, these Christians made sure freedom of all religion was enshrined into our Constitution. It was not until 1948 that the Christian faith was commanded by the Supreme Court to be forced out of all our public affairs and that was made official in 1962.

            In short, they believed us to be a mostly Christian people and nation (not officially) and envisioned no such thing as a spiritual nation, rather they anticipated and hoped it would remain predominately Christian in faith.

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            Then neiman you are part of the problem – your non vote was what helped keep obama in office. You had a choice to use your right to vote, instead you wasted it and helped obama stay in office.

          • Neiman

            That is your opinion. In my view I didn’t vote for either on principle.

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            Yes it is my opinion, that you were part of the problem. You don’t vote to make a change, then your just as guilty as those who voted for Obama to stay the course. You and other who did not vote for same reasons helped obama whether you believe it or not – the chance to make a change in this administration was lost when you do not vote. You might as well voted for obama, because that is who you helped in not voting.

          • Neiman

            So, you are suggesting people should dishonor their principles when they vote?

            The truth is, I do not believe we would have changed course in any real way, as the mood of the country will not allow such change. Like Greece, they will not sacrifice anything to save the country until it is too late. The course is set, we will absolutely fall into the economic abyss now, slowly at first, but sure and then precipitously in a few years.

            I didn’t vote for either man based on my spiritual beliefs: Obama is not nor has he ever been a Christian, he is an enemy of the Church; Romney is an idolater, a member of a false religion.and I DO NOT vote for the lesser of two evils, I don’t vote for evil at all.

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            So your way of thinking is any person you vote for has to be a christian…not a jew, not a muslim, not a whatever….he must pass your religion test before you vote for him…..even if romney has been a better “christian” in the way he acts and lives his life, the way he is with his family and the way he helps his fellow man than most christians are. Too bad your view is such narrowminded……even chistian preachers stated that romney should be voted for.

            ….and how do you know a person is chistian? Cause they tell you? Photo-op with them carrying a bible going to church? Hell obama was stated to be christian churchgoer but how many times has he been seen, photo-oped or reported seen in church?

            I take it as well, that you would never support an openly gay person either.

            or someone married more than once? or that has divorced? I know in one church they would marry me outside but not in the church because I was marrying for the 2nd time….so according to them its still ok to marry a person as long as its not before God in the church.

            or how about a woman. Some churches are down right medieval on how women are to be viewed. That a woman should not wear pants, only wear long skirts. ect.

            I guess you will call tens of millions of catholics and evangelicals demon supporters or traitors to faith as well? Perhaps before you go around condemning others you should meet and talk with a preacher….but then again, they too are just men, and they have failed or can fail as well. I have seen it, been subject to their failings as well……but they at least would be able to tell you why they have said to support romney.

            http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=16778#.UJ6i14dJOAg

          • Neiman

            Joseph Story our very first Supreme Court Chief Justice, one intimately involved with the formation of our country said that, Christians should only prefer and elect Christians to office. It is not about a doctrinal test, but whether or not one seems to each individual Christian voter to talk and act like a Christian when it involves public policy, they must trust in their own Christian conscience, would you suggest they should do otherwise, just for some greater secular good?

            I have often said that Mormons generally and Romney specifically, live the Christian teachings better than most true Christians, but as I said, it is not about our works of the flesh, it is about faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. An example: Mother Theresa sacrificed much to help the starving poor of India, but if she was not born again of the Spirit of Christ, she is in hell today and her good works in this life only lessen the severity of her torments. Romney serves a false Christ and as you said, he better mirrors the Christian image than most true Christians live theirs, but the latter people will find eternal life because of their faith in Christ, their external failures notwithstanding, while the more Christian acting Romney will inherit everlasting punishing. It is not about works, though we trust every true Christian will grow in them in this life and be more Christlike as they grow in the Spirit, yet it is their new spiritual birth that saves them, not any of their works.

            Before you judge, you should read the Bible and find Christ as your Savior and Lord, then you will be better equipped to discern truth from evil.

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            You still did not address the fact that 10’s of millions of christians voted for romney.

          • Neiman

            Well, as you do not respond to or answer any questions I pose here, you have absolutely no right to complain. Your acting as prosecuting attorney against the Christian faith is your own delusion, I don’t have to submit.

            The vast majority of American people identify as being Christian, because they came from families that expressed the same identity, not because of any spiritual conversion, being deluded that because they don’t murder, rape or torture, they are all things being said and done – good people and so will gain heaven, but for all but the tiniest minority, they will not. A vast majority of Democrats would claim t be Christian, but when they support a party that has slaughtered over 50 million helpless, innocent babies, that support special homosexual rights, gay marriage, the lie of separation of church and state, etc, and by that their betray the fact they are Christians in name only.

            It has been said several million evangelicals did not vote at all, for the reasons I have stated.

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            Using your logic, since you did not vote you have no right to complain or speak on politics…see how stupid an argument that is?

            And if you really want to be technical, my questions were to you before you asked anything of me and I correctly stated you did not answer them. You ducked the questions that 10’s of millions of catholics and evangelicals voted for romney, but you know better than the preachers, and other christians on this. [shakes head] Your non vote was same as voting for obama, when you dont vote for removal of the person, you might as well have pulled the lever for obama then because that is the net result when people do not vote.

            You go ahead and stand on your principles, that is fine, and your right, but not voting to remove a problem from office as I said, you might as well of pulled the lever for obama because that is the effect your non vote has had. Whether you want to believe that or not, that is the net effect of not voting.

          • Neiman

            I don’t think you understand logic at all, let us try this: Let us say I want to vote to get Stalin out of office because he is so evil and destroying the country economically and subverting all our laws; and, the opposing candidate was Hitler, great economy builder, great growth, just have to suffer a few million Jews being killed. Would you vote for Hitler to get rid of Stalin?

            So, I, as a Christian I have the non-Christian, possibly Muslim, possibly atheist Obama that is ruining our economy and subverting our rights, my choice is a guy (Romney) that can probably get the economy roaring again, but he serves a false god and is a stealth candidate that is not much better on the moral issues than Obama, what then? I don’t vote for the lesser of two evils. I don’t vote for evil at all.

            You avoided many (most) questions I have asked you, always do; while I answer most of yours, so you have no complaints. I have many times here spoken of the other religion’s you mentioned and choose not to engage in the lengthy answers required to do fairness to them.

          • borborygmi

            Are you assuming Mother Theresa is rotting in hell or you know being omniscient.

          • Neiman

            Your poor reading comprehension is truly appalling: I said “but if she was not born again of the Spirit of Christ.”

            The operative word was IF to pose a hypothetical question to magnify a point being made in simple, yet extreme terms for clarification.

            I never claimed omniscience. The question is whether being good ever gets anyone into heaven and the Bible says no, while good works are certainly encouraged and should flow from a changed heart; the conditions for salvation are faith alone, in Christ alone, so no matter how good one thinks they may be or others think of them as being good people, it is not a qualification for salvation.

          • borborygmi

            Do you believe that a person following a leaders order to kill Jews is guilt free. I mean if he doesn’t he is basically committing suicide.

          • Neiman

            This is unrelated to my comments an nonsensical ravings.

          • borborygmi

            Actually it has alot to do with the above reply. The tie in would be the leadership. We know that leaders have ordered the slaughter of people because they were in the way or displeased them or for the greater good. We have had in our history leaders that have ordered people killed for the greater good. I would think that would be unchristian behavior but yet they are our leaders.

          • borborygmi

            In an emergency you are alright with illegal immigrants or people without insurance tapping into the health care system? What about regular checkups to find the problems when they are small?

          • Neiman

            Completely off topic for this thread!

            An illegal immigrant by definition is a criminal, they broke into our country in contravention of our immigration laws and sovereignty; other than emergency care they are not eligible for any of our nation’s health care or welfare services and if they don’t like it the door swings both ways. You liberals reward criminal behavior by people that will vote Democrat Party and only demand extreme applications for citizens that are not liberal and do not support your party – you know, like your fellow travelers and fellow communists did in the Soviet Union, Cuba and the PRC.

            If in a Christian ethic, people want to voluntary pay the bills privately for these criminal/immigrants to get routine health care, being then accessories to their crimes, you are free to spend your money as you wish.

          • borborygmi

            At least you allow for emergency care.

          • Neiman

            If you did not coddle liberal criminals, you would allow no more either.

          • borborygmi

            so in this world you will only be happy with Christian Laws, Christian Judges, Christian Politicians, Christian Leaders, yet you say The Founding Fathers want freedom of religion but according to you not really. They really wanted a Christian Nation….. I am wondering how you are able to function in this world. Do you buy only Christian Gasoline, Drive in Cars made only by Christians, Eat food guaranteed Christian grown clothes are made only by Christians. You either have a great network, are totally self sufficient, or are really lonely. Is the Computer your are blogging on made by Christians? And on top of all of this Mother Theresa is roasting in hell…..Sorry I really don’t want to be part of your world then.

          • Neiman

            It is unfortunate that like all liberals, you feel obligated to twist words and then launch agruments against things the speaker/writer never said, but that is liberalism, doublespeak, dishonest to the core.

            I did not suggest anything beyond supporting Christians for office, I never excluded other areas in life wherein we will have to buy or use things not made by Christians, but we can surely, or should surely, only use those things in service to Christ, for His Glory.

            I only quoted our First Chief Justice and supported the principle he advanced that Christians should prefer, support and only vote for Christian candidates, to do otherwise invalidates their faith in God and betrays the fact they do not really believe God’s Word. What you folk outside of Christ do is your own affair, it is simply an encouragement for Christians to seek only those people to rule over them that at least make a confession of belief in Christ that we might know their underlying core values. Should they vote for anyone that is by their belief system opposed to Christ? That is to vote for Satan by proxy.

            You absolutely lie when you say I said Mother Theresa is in hell, I said IF her faith was not in Christ alone, her good works would not save her or anyone.

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            I will vote for whoever can get the job done.

            I don’t base my vote off gender, race or religion – I base it off of performance, and Romney had a better record on business than Obama.

        • $8194357

          Moderates?
          The goal posts have move statist left on you moderates and ya been enjoying the game so much ya don’t know what quarter we are in..
          We are in overtime ! Struggling for our play off lives as you “moderates” eat your buffelo wings and swig your beer.

          • AV

            I’m no moderate, I’m a far-left progressive (essentially anarchist, not statist), and I don’t eat buffalo wings. But if you had been following the election, you’d have seen that most Americans are moderates.

            For example, gay marriage and legalization of weed won in most of the referenda.

            And even Obama is a moderate, despite your paranoid claims. His actions are consistent with improving civil liberties (mostly), and cooperation between govt, business, and citizens; i.e., a moderate.

          • $8194357

            You are a two faced leftist troll who loves attention
            anyway he/she can get it..

          • AV

            Says the paranoid drama-queen that posts endless rants about Sharia and the devil?

          • $8194357

            Love ya …
            but can’t feed ya no more troll..

          • $8194357

            AV…Ya came in as both AV and Phil Gay in my outbox…
            Why would that be? Go home troll..

          • borborygmi

            and MarxistLeninistsocialistlemmingTrilaterallovingsheeple. Baa

          • $8194357

            Baaaa
            What happens to sheep fart bubble when handed over to the islamist?

          • Mike Peterson

            I would like to break down your argument. If you consider yourself anarchist, that’s probably beyond far-right, which believes in limited government. Obama’s record on civil liberties is horrid, and betrays his base. Promised he was going to close Guantanamo. Didn’t. Said he was going to label GM crops. Didn’t. Said he wasn’t going to crack down on marijuana. Didn’t. Expanded on George Bush’s Patriot Act. Signed the NDAA into law, allowing indefinite detention of Americans. Kills Americans overseas without any due process. Authorized more drone attacks than Bush. Don’t tell me Obama “improved” civil liberties in any measure of the word.

          • $8194357

            10X
            Constitutional limited governance rule of law..
            Socialist soviet steering committe left is the rule of men
            above the rule of law..
            and they get their “goals and agendas”
            from the ‘global olagarchy”.

          • AV

            While you raise some fair points (and missed that domestic wiretapping has also increased), the right has not historically been linked to civil liberties, or even limited govt.

            The right wing has historically been associated with religious extremism and militant nationalism, so not exactly pro-individuality. And the right typically isn’t in favor of limited govt, just limiting the the social safety-net. For example, the people on the right that want to reduce military expenditure is basically Ron Paul and some of his supporters.

            But, as examples, Obama has reduced the ability of theocrats to restrict access to contraception, has allowed the openly-gay to serve in the military, and cut back on punitive anti-immigrant policies.

          • Onslaught1066

            If you say so.

            [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/2v7tici.jpg[/IMG]

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            Mike states: “If you consider yourself anarchist, that’s probably beyond far-right, which believes in limited government. ”

            Really? Anarchist are far-right? They weren’t at tea parties, they were at OWS left rallies….maybe you should think about that one.

          • borborygmi

            mmmm….. medium hot with a cool Samuel Adams.

    • jl

      Emily, now you’re “Mike Quinn”?

      • $8194357

        He was ranting awhile back about his fearlessness in using his real name and not blog handles and sock puppets…Just a wee small stretching of the truth to puff his bad self up a bit huh.

        • Mike Quinn

          Waiting for you to come clean 7point hiding man.

          • $8194357

            You a Catholic priest?
            You need the evil conservitive to confess his sins/identity
            to your false moral outrage?
            I am from Stanley….Come see me if ya want…
            These colors don’t run

    • $8194357

      There is “no such thing” as FEDERAL MONEY.
      They have to tax, steal or borrow it from some one as the government is a liability not an asset…Dang for smart people you leftist are “dumb blind”..

      DITTO …

  • ND in MD

    For some strange reason, why di I get the feeling this makes him happy deep down?

    • $8194357

      Gets his RINO butt off the hook?

  • Spartacus

    It was law of the land before the election. The chance to have it repealed pretty much died Tuesday. Reality checks suck but in this case he (Boehner) is right, there’s nothing that can be done to change it now and there are other pending issues that need to be addressed. Dwelling upon it will only make matters worse all around, there are other fish that need to be fried and we can always blame Liberals for the problems O-care creates, maybe once they see the problems their folly has created they’ll get on board to fix them. Sorry, but that’s the way that it is and nothing is going to change it now. It’s time to face other challenges.

  • Phil Gay

    This was planned years ago as the Republican party approved Obama-Care with the Democrat party. Two peas in a pod. What is the difference between the Republican party & Democrat party? Perception!! wake up fools as you only have yourselves to blame. Look in the mirror no sleeping beauties just clueless fools.

  • Guest

    Politically it would be impossible to repeal obamacare now. This is a non story.

  • JustRuss

    Missouri passed a measure preventing the Governor or Legislature from implementing the ACA without the consent of the people. Unless the actual wording leaves wiggle room, the people of the State will have to vote to enact health care exchanges before Missouri can begin doing so.

    Sad really, because I just switched sides and I want my free healthcare damnit!

    • $8194357

      Ask for a cell phone too before they come to the fiscal cliff they been ignoring the past for years and start the corperate lean down on benifits..

  • JustRuss

    Am I the only one that would rather get rid of ACA and just go with single payer? Get it over with, rip off the band-aide rather than doing this song and dance, beat around the bush?

    Raise the age for Medicaid and Lower the age of Medicare over 10 years until they meet in the middle, slowly raising taxes to fill in the gap. I wonder how many of us are less opposed to the idea of socialized medicine, and more opposed to the lying and back door deals, and the fascist law which pretends to be one thing when in reality, it is just designed to end up with Single Payer anyway…

    I’d honestly rather just implement some of these programs and get it over with so that the market can adjust, instead of torturously punishing businesses and insurance until they give up and quit.

  • sbark

    Appears business is fighting it at the grass roots levels…….job cuts and layoffs since election day…..

    http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/

    oh well……….more voters to buy with free stuff: welfare, foodstamps etc etc, which is just what bought the last election…….
    Why do I see unemployment going toward 10% and U6, the actual real figure distorted by the left, presently at 14.6….going to 20%……….ObamaVille, it never left

  • Harold

    Hours after Obama was elected he signed an agreement with the United Nations to join them in a international arms treaty which will go into effect in March that will confiscate guns from the homes of all americans. Of course the media didn’t report this to the rest of us, but anyone can look it up. So much for Joel Heitkamps promises that Obama wouldn’t do this to law biding gun owners. Joels word is about as good as Obama’s.

  • The Fighting Czech

    seems like a rash of layoff notices are going out all of sudden, Preparation for Obama care? who would have guessed…….

  • 7points of brain
  • matthew_bosch

    Obamacare is the immediate catalyst for current layoffs.

  • Mike Quinn

    A big thank you needs to go out to all the people who stood up against the dogs of greed on this blog. The greedy rats have retreated to their caves to think of new ways to rob and oppress working people. North Dakota still suffers from an acute infestation of low information voters, but the election of Heidi shows the people of North Dakota are willing to stand up against he lickspittles of greed like Rick Berg. False and misleading information is the bread and butter of the Republican Party, like weeds you have to fight the Rob Ports, Rush Limbaughs and Karl Roves everyday or they will return to infect the simple minded with silly brain dead thoughts. This election has shown the will of the American people to stand up against the one percent and take the country back. Every decent American can be proud of the part they played in rejecting the greed and oppression of the Republicans. The day of the white country club crowd is over. They tried to buy this election, but decent Americans stood up and refused to be bought. Rejoice while you can and enjoy watching the Republicans stab each other, but the cancer of right wing greed will rise again. The biggest enemy the Republicans have is the truth. You have to go to the nest of the rats and spread the truth there. That is why good people need to come to Rob Ports lying machine and sprinkle the truth on it that keeps the distortions in check.

  • yamyam

    “Solid punch to the gut”. I like the sound of that.

    Radical conservatism is just not welcome in our country. And when I say our, I mean the one that belongs to liberals.

    • Mike Quinn

      This is one of the greatest victories for the common American ever. That punch to the lying, the greed, and the racism of the Republicans has sent a message around the world that this is a country of true patriots that can overcome the lies of Fox, Rob, and Rush. As a country we have shown we are not afraid of the common good, and doing what is best for everyone, not just the top one percent. Americans have shown how you can reject oppression with votes. North Dakota still suffers from a lot of right wing greed and stupidity, but now we have hope. We have found there is a good foundation of honest intelligent people that can fight our local rats into submission. Praise the lord.

  • chris

    I have a good idea for you. Why don’t the republicans stop stonewalling everything so things can move forward? We have a fiscal cliff to deal with, so quit having temper tantrums and help save the country.

    • Mike Quinn

      Amen. Why not go one step further and ask Rob Port to repent. Come to the light fight for what is right. Why lead a life of shame being a dupe for obstructionist? Make your child proud of you Rob. Do you want to be remembered as a hopeless lickspittle for a bunch of greedy old white men that tried to keep affordable health care away from working people?

      • $8194357

        Repent to the communist ideologies god…STATE?
        You see MIKE…
        Lies and deceptions along with there ideologies come from lucifer…
        Guess what else he uses to grow his state gardens larger?
        Hate…jealously…..envy….greed….
        YOU bear his fruit as you suck up his lies….
        Repentence?

    • $8194357

      (We have a fiscal cliff to deal with,)
      Where were the Democrats, ie Conrad/Ried concerns
      about this the last four years?
      OH ya…
      Liberal politics..
      Obstructionism is only a right wing thing..
      You told me you “progressives” (communists)
      are in control right….FIX IT..
      Is the only way you think it can be done is like Mr. Quinn states?
      Gut the conservitives get rid of us and what ?

      • chris

        The democrats have been stonewalled the last four years by the republicans, remember? “Fixing it” requires bipartisan support. Your party holds the key to the country’s salvation or destruction. If you continue stonewalling, we’ll fall off the cliff.

        • $8194357

          The Democrats “created” laws and 900 plus EO’s to usurp the
          political process even when they had the house the senate and the White House for two years and the house and the senete for two years before thatand now it is up to the “obstructionist minority” once again to move FORWARD to fundementaly destroy our Constitutional Republican form of governace?
          Sheesh you folks need to look around and see some stuff huh.

          • chris

            False. Obama signed 139 EOs, not 900, and none of them create martial law:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/

            You repeat another old birther-like lie.

          • $8194357

            As many or more than all other before him tho huh?

            Bush wrote alot but about half of his were deleteing clintons..

            Did ya ever check out this one?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
            It’s never been recinded but no one dares touch it since JFK was shot six months after he wrote it..

          • chris

            Gee, now that you’re searching on Wikipedia, check this one out:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

            Bush made 290 EOs, more than any other in history and so far more than Obama But how does this really help your argument?

          • $8194357

            Thats what I like about the internet..
            a while back it was full of different info than
            ya find today…
            I have gotten several emails linked with snopes verifications…
            click on the link and yup its true…
            come back later and click it again or go to the website and nope it is wrong…
            In the old days…
            We called this disinformation propaganda but used it on our enemies….Not our own….
            go figure huh chris…
            What a brave new world we live in…
            the heavey hand of the central planning government
            used on its own folks…

          • chris

            Don’t blame the Internet for your BS. People deliberately spread false rumors, and the followers blindly believe them without cross-referencing. You need to do your own factchecking once in a while. This is what gets you into trouble.

          • $8194357

            did ya know google perfected it in China?
            Thats right..
            Seems during the clinton years..ya remember those?
            They gave Soros buddies and investor IT and military stuff..
            Any way…Timmy Giegtners daddy was in China setting up finacial institutions for the coming USA influx of manufacturing and technology when timmy was a lad..They killed a bunch of pro democracy kids in a square over there at the time…
            anyway after the base of the crony capitalist parymid was set up the chinese government had google come in and develope programs to keep an eye on the populace, and spread dis information for the government…Dry run for Barrys google czar here in America…
            But you will just say my tin foil hat needs adjusting so whatever “progressive”.
            FIX IT..

          • chris

            Do you have any evidence to back any of this up?

          • $8194357

            Its all a matter of public record..If ya don’t run into the http 401 file I keep geeting these days when I go back and try to find it again..

            I posted on it alot a year or so ago…Check out this link and discover the networks…I was using them alot back then…

            http://www.colony14.net/

            Oh yeah Petreaus just went under the Bengazi bus…
            While your at it…
            Check out the “special investigator” on Bengazi’s ties to the planning of the UN’s involvement in the arab spring along
            with his buisness ties with one …GEORGE SOROS…..
            Kiss America as we knew her good by mr “progressive”..

          • chris

            Keep up the good work, buddy.

          • $8194357

            Ya..
            thats what I thought…
            Just dis miss what ya don’t understand..
            Take care and get busy progressivly fixung the mess
            the evil Constitutionalist conservitives made of the last 100 years of Democrats ignoring the Limited government conststution now hear?
            Ya don’t pour “progressive gas” on the fire socialist progressives started in the first place….
            But what do us old goats know compared to you modern educated enlightened UNESCO “progressives”..

          • chris

            I guess I cannot keep up. You seem to be rambling in dimensions that I’m not aware of. What language is that? Cuneiform?

          • $8194357

            So why waste your time with me?
            Make you feel some how “better” about your self?
            Don’t respond to my posts and “no worries mate”..

          • chris

            Well I guess I’ll leave then. I was hoping for some hint of logic or evidence on your part, but all I got were lies and the ramblings of a madman. Have a good weekend.

          • $8194357

            Well chris..

            If ya promise to actually read it, I will point you on your way.

            But do your own dang research because ya just are
            going to belittle me and mine..

            http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/2009/07/barack-obamas-mother-worked-for-timothy.html

            http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/what-do-obama-tim-giether-the-ford-foundation-fannie-maefreddie-mac-and-muslims-have-in-common/

            What do Obama, Tim Geithner, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?

            May 21, 2010 by weroinnm

            Question: What do President Obama, Tim Geithner, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?
            The following articles and/or blog posts seem to give us the eye-opening answer to this question-You Decide:

            I. Obama’s mother, Stanley A. Dunham, worked for Tim Giether’s Father Peter Geither at the Ford Foundation. Ford Foundation is partnered with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!-Posted on Faith Freedom International-By piggy-On April 16, 2009:

          • $8194357

            Its all a matter of “public record” if you do the research..

            Try the FORD Foundation..Ties alot of big

            players together for decades…For the global good of course..

            Quote:

            According to The Atlantic, young Timmy Giethner’s experiences at Dear Old Dad’s knee in Asia, even in China during the Tiananmen Square uprising, greatly influenced his life choices:

            “First, his Asia background. Geithner’s father, Peter Geithner, was a development specialist who opened the Ford Foundation’s China office – the first foreign NGO here, under a special agreement that continues to this day. That was just before Tiananmen Square, and the father was part of the Foundation’s difficult, but, ultimately, undoubtedly correct decision to remain engaged. Tim apparently also studied Chinese, was posted in Tokyo for Treasury, and focused on Asia studies as undergraduate and graduate student. This is all great background for Treasury’s international dealings in the coming years.”

          • $8194357

            Ok my number of EO’s was wrong…
            The rest of what I said is rejected as well huh.
            Funny how that works with leftists….

          • chris

            OK then, tell me which newly-created law has “usurped” the
            political process

          • $8194357

            Fireing corperate CEO’s is a dictators move not a Constitutional one..
            Just one…

          • chris

            Which law has fired CEOs?

          • $8194357

            Gosh…I dunno…
            Maybe I should hire a google czar in charge
            of propaganda and disinformation
            for mass consumtion at taxpayer expense
            so I can figure it out, huh

          • chris

            I dunno, you’re doing a pretty good job with the disinformation thing.|

  • $16179444

    you poor deluded fools – when the true costs kick in, you’ll be kicking yourselves. enjoy paying more for less. reap what you sow.

  • VocalYokel

    A jellyfish has more vertebrae than Boehner and his merry band of RINOs.

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