Bill Gate’s Research on Education

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Bill Gates recently gave a talk about what his foundation is up to. Apparently he is dedicating most of his time and money towards alleviating suffering due to Malaria and improving US education. You might have seen a news story on this talk because this is where he released a jar full of mosquitoes for some reason.

I don’t have a lot to comment about his Malaria crusade aside from the fact that it seems that the use of DDT could save millions of lives. Too bad the enviro-nuts hate children in third world countries.
I found his findings on education to be a lot more interesting. I think the facts that he introduced in this speech show that our centralized education system is hopelessly flawed.
Gates talked how research that he’s funded finds no correlation between how we reward teachers to the job they actually do. He says that a teacher that a teacher getting a masters degree is nearly useless in predicting how a teacher will educate their students. He also found that additional experience after three years of teaching is also irrelevant when it comes to judging how well a teacher teaches.
And what do we reward teachers on? We pay them more for length of service and for getting a useless masters degree.
He also discussed how in many localities it is impossible for the administration to properly evaluate the job a teacher is doing. The blame goes to union contracts which limit the amount of oversight the administration can perform. (And of course the same contract would keep the teacher employed, hurting the children, no matter what was found.
Gates didn’t propose any answers to the problems he identified. I’d like to do that for him. We need to break up the public school monopoly. We need to make it so that a teacher who is not doing their job can be fired. The simple answer is to get school vouchers so that the parents can pick out schools that are best for their kids. Right now the schools seem to primarily exist to benefit the teachers.

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  • http://Array ec99

    “About 200 hours of my teacher training was taken up by multiculturalism”

    My impression is that the whole purpose of multiculturalism is to teach white students that Western Culture is wrong: victimization, the cult of moral grayness, that they are all persecutors. The irony is that Western Culture invented the university, and that in most other cultures, these academics would either be in prison or executed.

  • ec99

    While it’s easy to throw the blame at teachers, the problems of K-12 education in the US have so many facets they are likely unsolvable. The parents of the daycare society view teachers as simply an extention of the babysitters they dumped their spawn on 1 week post-natal. Anyone remember how the nuns kept discipline? A rap on the knuckles with a ruler. Now, that’s assault and battery. And having students sit in seats according to how they did on the last test? That hurts the little darlings’ self-esteem. In the public school teachers were respected. No more. Remember when students were actually held back and made to repeat a year? Aagin, no more. Schools became assembly lines. Remember when school boards actually had competent members? And when principals themselves had taught for 15-20 years? When there wasn’t a Department of Education in DC, and all decisions of importance were local? When there weren’t unfunded mandates?

    I agree that teachers deserve scrutiny, but they are only part of the ed system.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I guess I can’t disagree with you EC. One of the big problems is that the good kids are hurt by the kids that don’t want to learn.

    Still what can we do, soon if not today, to improve education. Wishing some of these societal problems away isn’t likely to help anytime soon.

  • 11B40

    Greetings:

    My favorite education anecdote:

    Back in 1993, almost 20 years after receiving my first B.A. degree, I returned to college to study printing management. As an older and self-supporting student, I was on a compressed schedule and wanted only to take courses that I felt had a specific benefit to myself. Unfortunately, there was a college requirement that I take an English Composition class and I preferred to take a computer course instead. So, off I went to see my guidance counselor.

    When I arrived, I laid out my case and presented samples of my previous academic and professional writings. Regrettably, my counselor remained not only unconvinced but also somewhat didactic. “Mr. Sullivan,” she began, “we cannot let you graduate from Cal Poly not knowing how to write.”

    “Well, then,” I replied, “things have changed since the last time I went to college. Back then, you didn’t get into college not knowing how to write.”

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    One of my other favorite blogs, File It Under, had the Bill Gates mosquito story. I loved it! Hey farmer, farmer put away your DDT now. So what if the children are dying from malaria? Hug that tree now! I kinda made up my own song. LAlalalalal…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Someone I know said that nobody has ever flunked on of these education masters courses. I’m sure that’s a bit of exaggeration, but still….

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Thank God I’ll be dead by then.

    Our yet to be born (in my case) grandchildren (or great grand children) won’t be.

  • ec99

    “Our yet to be born (in my case) grandchildren (or great grand children) won’t be.”

    True. So I guess the solution is to train them to think before they start school, and do everything possible to avoid letting schools train them not to.

  • ec99

    “Still what can we do, soon if not today, to improve education. Wishing some of these societal problems away isn’t likely to help anytime soon.”

    Hate to say it, but nothing. There just is too much entrenchment, too many interests in the status quo. In a way, it’s analogous to the Alerus problem. And it’s not just the teachers’ unions, although they hold some of the blame. It is principals, and school boards, and bureaucrats, local, state, and federal.

    An important tangential question is “What’s the purpose of education?” How would Bill Gates answer that, since it would figure into his comments. More and more it appears the answer is job training. UND’s aviation program is really little more than high end vo-tech. And really, despite the explosion of information and material to be learned, the new careers, K-12 has not changed in over a century. What are students trained in? Be on time, be in your seat, stand when the bell rings, go to lunch when the bell rings, return when the bell rings. This Pavlovian regimentation trained the perfect factory worker during the Industrial Revolution. Maybe that’s why the great industrialists (Carnegie, Hill, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Edison, Ford, etc) succeeded; they never finished school.

    I once heard the Celtic great Bill Russell give a talk when I was in college. He said “You are here to learn how to think.” I’m not sure education serves that purpose anymore. Politicians and their advisors sure bet that people haven’t learned how to think. Look at who’s been elected over the past 3 or 4 decades. It’s implicit when all a blogger can come up with as a rejoinder is “Shut up!” or “If you don’t like it here, leave.”

    So I am not certain that any change is possible. A century from now my bet is the US will be run by a .5% educated oligarchy who do know how to think. And a 99.5% f;ock of sheep. Thank God I’ll be dead by then.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    He says that a teacher that a teacher getting a masters degree is nearly useless in predicting how a teacher will educate their students.

    There’s some truth to this. If you’re working full time as a teacher, you’re limited to either taking classes at night or via distance learning. Depending on your area, your choices in night-school masters degrees is usually limited to MBA, MPA, and various education degrees. You might find an occasional masters program in nursing or family counciling.

    Since many districts won’t count graduate units in business or nursing, few teachers would take such courses.

    Most teachers get their masters in education. Having an MA in educational administration, and olmost three dozen graduate level education courses under my belt, I can tell you that these courses are a joke.

    I have two masters degrees, and can positively say that every class I took for my geosciences degree required more work than the entire MA program in education. The difference in rigor is so great that a masters in a legitimate academic field (such as Math, Chemistry, Geology, History, Econoimics) requires about 12 times as much scholarship as an MA in education.

    A doctorate in Education from Harvard carries with it all the prestige and rigor of an AA in small engine repair from a lesser ranked community college.

    Worse yet, much of what is taught in education classes is irrelevent or wrong. Great emphasis is placed on diversity issues, often to the detriment of crucial teaching skills. The credential program I completed prior to my MA consisted of a dozen graduate courses, each requiring about 40 hours of class time. About 200 hours of my teacher training was taken up by multiculturalism, yet I received only 13 minutes training in phonics.

    Of those dozen classes, I can only think of one as being at all usefull.

    The program leading to my MA in education was no more usefull, except for the fact that one leftist professor actually had us read some of William Ayers crap. Even our hippie-left professor thought Ayers was out there.

    The sad thing was that almost everyone realizes how useless education classes are. Nobody in my MA in Education program would leave thinking “boy I learned something tonight.” We all knew we just had to put in our 480 hours, pass our comps, get our diploma, and take our transcripts in to the district for our raises. We were putting in the time to get a raise, not because there was any value in any of the education programs.

    In contrast, my MS in Geosciences was about 12 times as hard. And unlike my education classes, I use something from the MS program almost every day.

    American students would be well served by shutting down all our graduate programs in education, and having teachers earn masters degrees in the subjects they will be teaching.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    Someone I know said that nobody has ever flunked on of these education masters courses.

    I wouldn’t say that nobody ever flunked out, but…

    1. In some courses at some schools you can “flunk” out if you express the wrong opinions. I remember reading about a student who was expelled from an education program because he wrote a paper supporting corporal punishment.

    2. In every course, there’s always one idiot who shows up to class without so much as a pencil, and often late for class. You might see that guy wracking up the Cs, and not be able to get his degree. In the MA in education program, you aren’t allowed to get anything less than a B- and get your degree. You really have to be a dope to earn a C in an education class.

    I think my ending GPA for both credential and MA programs were over 3.9.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    So I guess the solution is to train them to think before they start school, and do everything possible to avoid letting schools train them not to.

    Your odds on bet for success at that is to not put them in public school in the first place. Public school teachers have a high tendency for insufferable arrogance, and after a very short time tend to be somewhat slow-witted and out thought by most teens. They get frustrated, angry, and dismissive of the kids thinking for themselves, even when they get caught in blatant mistakes or hypocrisy.

    So if they go to public school, take a daily active interest in what they are doing, help with homework, reassure them when they detect bullshit that they aren’t insane, the system really is screwed up. Tell them what they want to hear, get out of the system to college as quick as you can. Standing your ground and fighting is like trying to empty the ocean with a thimble during a storm.

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